S11.E07: Week 6

[Tara Ariano]

A rose ceremony at the Alamo is followed by a trip to Dublin, Ireland, where six suitors attend a fake Irish wake for Kaitlyn and must "eulogize" her. Later, Kaitlyn and one lucky guy attend a romantic, private concert by the Cranberries.

Edited June 19, 2015 by OnceSane
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[backformore]

A fake WAKE??????????????   WTF?  That is pretty creepy.  Very poor taste. 

[anony mouse]

The dates this season have been terrible. A wake, really?

[NikSac]

I never thought I'd be looking for an upside to a wake date - at least the guys aren't physically beating each other up?

 

I have to go to a real wake for a real, loved, and recently departed person in the next few days. I don't think I could even stomach watching this faked for TV one.

[chocolatine]

Is an "Irish" wake where people tell funny stories about the deceased? Still creepy to do one for a living person, but in some cultures a wake is meant to lift the mourners' mood by reminiscing about happier times.

[Armchair Critic]

OMG and LOL!  I can't believe my 80 year old mother watched this, she doesn't hear that well so I hope she missed Kaitlyn's sighs/moans coming from the bedroom!  I laughed when they were cutting from the two guys having the conversation about Kaitlyn to the muffled sex noises coming from behind closed doors.

 

Sean needs to realize there are still a few guys left and take a chill pill. He reminds me of Ron Perlman as the Beast in Beauty and The Beast.

 

None of the guys know about the overnight with Nick, so I am assuming Kaitlyn must tell them (I don't read spoilers)

 

I think Ben Z is being a little oversensitive about the funeral aspect, but maybe he thinks by getting sympathy that is his way in to Kaitlyn?

Edited June 23, 2015 by Armchair Critic

[Kerri Johnson]

Is there a religious or medical reason Kaitlyn only wears black?

 

Kaitlyn handled herself well with Ian even though he is correct she is a terrible Bachelorette.

 

I was questioning last week where the exit limo interviews were and I'm glad we got Ian's.

 

Why were Chris Harrison and Kaitlyn talking in hushed voices against a wall like they were selling drugs? Was there a reason why they couldn't sit down and have a proper interview in the hotel?

 

Kaitlyn's talking head about how intimacy is important looked like it was filmed LA recently. Everything about her looked different.

 

Kaitlyn: "I can't go by what everyone says about Nick in the house". Why then did you spend two episodes grilling the guys and constantly asking their opinions?

 

The Nick date felt like it went on for several years. The light porno music in that church was a shame and a new low for this show.

 

The sex scene was uncomfortable. The producers were clever cutting to that overspilling fountain and bee pollinating that flower. Who was she talking to on the balcony?

 

Ben Z would be a terrible Bachelor. No sense of humor. He brings everything down.

 

Please take all Brady and Britt footage and burn it. Britt, you're proud of dating that guy? He looks like he could be your neighbourhood pervert. Maybe the producers could put it online for those who don't want their Kaitlyn season tainted since they're so proud of her. Her mom is beautiful and I'm glad she called him a friend so Britt could gracefully bow out. He's honestly lucky to have even been near Britt.

 

I'm sick of the rose ceremonies starting the following episode. Stop ending the episodes on a cliffhanger, please.

 

All the guys must feel like idiots watching this episode. They don't have a chance.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Kerri Johnson

[Superpole2000]

Very good episode!

 

The Cranberries "Linger" sounded beautiful and would have been quite a moving experience in person. That Jared guy gets all the good dates.

 

And count me as shocked that the season previews were not over-dramatized. Coitus confirmation! They did fiancé things! Kaitlyn's sighs and gasps were hilarious. Did she really think the microphones wouldn't pick those up? I guess she was just too in the moment to care. Excellent stuff...and finally, a real talking point for this often tired show.

 

Nick still wears too-tight pants, but I am still glad he is onboard to liven up this season.

[truthaboutluv]

Honestly, for all the hype around the pre-FS sex and how emotional and game-changer it was, I actually think Shawn is who came away from this episode looking really bad. The hell dude - I'm sorry, in a real life situation, I get feeling like you don't want to share someone else with another person but if that is how you feel and you're a territorial person by nature, then this show is not for you. I don't understand what Shawn's deal was. Does he want Kaitlyn to just stop production period because it should be all about him?

 

And if he's like this already, I can't imagine how he'll be if he finds out she not only is making out with other guys but just had sex with Nick. Also, granted this show is edited to the tee but did I miss when Kaitlyn told Shawn he was the one like he claims? Finally, I'm just glad the promo was misleading and the pre-FS sex guy was not the person running through some field butt ass naked because I'm sorry, there would be no way to live that down. 

 

eta: Great seeing the Cranberries and what do you know, this show can have musical guests people have actually heard of. In the last three seasons, starting with Andi's they've had Boyz II Men, last season had Big & Rich and now Cranberries. Guess they're finally willing to shell out a little more for the musical guests. 

Edited June 23, 2015 by truthaboutluv

[CindyBee]

I need a moment to compose my thoughts but I just want to say as someone like Ben Z who lost a parent young, wakes/funerals are NOT easy and I thought it was horrendous for him to participate.

 

Still loving my guy Tanner!  He's been the perfect monday night boyfriend.

[JenE4]

Without the voiceovers, what Ian said wasn't so terrible. He was basically calling her out for Not Being There for the Right Reasons. Though he showed his hand in the limo by saying that he should be The Bachelor; yet, we all know they are driven around for hours and asked leading questions, so that wasn't necessarily his MO--likely just responding to how would it be different if you were the lead. Yet, they ended it with him saying he needs to have sex, so he does want to plow someone's field--just not Kaitlyn's.

Kaitlyn and Harrison look like they're going to prom (as posted on a fashion Don't site) with their coordinated purple dress and suit. Dr. Cupcake, DDS also has a mauve suit?! Is something wrong with my color display or are purple suits the new It color?! Is this from the Chis Harrison for Men (or whatever his clothing line is) spring 2015 collection? I'd even take the jaunty scarves of Nick's first season over this look--and I don't say that lightly.

Who went home? Ugh! Why do people talk to me during my show? Now I need to see if I can figure out who's missing...Justin and Joshua? I still had to read Joe and Tanner's names, so if they were missing, I never would have figured it out.

Oh, boy, Kaitlyn is getting her field plowed tonight. No wonder why they couldn't resist: the Riverdance Irish jig is the new Forbidden Dance Lambada...or so I presume if purple suits are the new pinstripe suits. I'm agnostic, and yet I'm about to throw a bucket of holy water on these cats in heat in the cathedral. Ew. "I want to know every part of you" is creepier than "fiance-type stuff." Why would they not turn their microphones off?

Kaitlyn obviously did NOT know that she was being filmed on the balcony! Half the screen was black so the camera was hidden and she did not have a microphone on. She was obviously speaking personally to a producer. This is some "Unreal"-level shit right here. 

Lol @ Tanner. Funny that even he's shocked he's still there and thinks even Kaitlyn doesn't know his name. Now I don't feel bad for barely remembering him myself. Poor Benzie. That was terrible to put him through this!

Ah, Shawn freaking out about how he thought what they had was special is totally going to be about Jared getting the rose, not about Kaitlyn sleeping with Nick. I bet the guys didn't even know about that until the "this season on" previews! About 15 minutes left. That's going to be tonight's cliffhanger, isn't it?

The Cranberries?! Haven't heard this song since college!

Wait a minute. We didn't even have the third date--the two on one! Maybe everyone does quit early so they have to drag out these weeks to fill the episodes!

Another "Unreal" moment--Shawn confidentially speaking with the only producer he trusts. Wait a minute. Kaitlyn spent the entire night with him, too?! We didn't know that! (I guess they didn't do fiance-type stuff.) Shawn is totally pulling a Britt because he didn't get the group date rose. Next stop, sobbing on the curb!

OMG. Kaitlyn is going to out herself because she's going to assume everything they have is ruined because of Nick--not because of Jared! So much crying next week! Seriously, is all of that crying JUST next week?! 

[TiredMe]

I decided to watch live and ignore my insane hatred for that vile Nick person. Gaaagggggg. Should have watched it on tape to FF.

I actually like Kaitlan. And thinks she's a decent bachelorette. Oh well, different strokes I guess. No pun intended.

I was reading Twitter tonight and was shocked at the nastiness directed at her. I wish people would give the girl a break, people sometimes do dumb things.

[ElectricCityy]

Tornado watch interrupted most of the episode for me but good god, those sex moans were super gross. And now Kaitlyn is worried Nick is gonna tell the guys? So she doesn't want her future to fiance to know about this even though it's on a freaking tv show. How is this woman thirty. She is stupid.

[Mu Shu]

Sure Ian was an ass, but gems like "I'm tired of talking about farts and bowel movements" needs to be put on a T-shirt, and he does need to be the next Bachelor.   If Kaitlyn can be the B ette, what's the harm in having a self absorbed, fart and poop hating Bachelor? 

 

Why was that carpetbagging jackanapes Nick wearing puke green skinny pants, an old man plaid jacket, a douche bag hipster tie, and a fucking untucked shirt?      I get him, though.    He swoops in on an OK looking girl like Kaitlyn when she's just been rejected by a hot guy.   That's his game.    Fucking Prince Harry/leprechaun looking fool.

 

Jared needs to leave next.    He's too fine for her.

 

LOL,  Britt doesn't have a boyfriend.   She has a friend.   I wonder if he tried to borrow money? 

[Ms Blue Jay]

My favourite band of all time, the cranberries, sings "Linger" on this episode.

 

I feel bad for them.

 

Quotes by Ian:

 

"I'm so tired of people talking about SEX!!!  ..... (soon after)  I need to have some sex."

 

"They didn't teach cheesy movie quotes at Princeton."

 

I thought Ian was a complete asshole.  Regardless of what you think about a person, that was just the most awful way to handle himself.  Disgusting.  I think he thought Kaitlyn didn't like him enough or fawn over him so he basically called her dumb, and a whore, and left.  Classless.  I always think women over-rate humour a bit when it comes to searching for a partner, but how the hell has Ian ever attracted women in his past when he straight up admits he doesn't get why women find humour attractive?!  Isn't that like a woman screaming she doesn't get why straight men like breasts?

 

I'm not one to say this show has integrity but I will 100% not watch if Ian is the Bachelor, that is gross.  A whole season of a humourless ass who slut-shames everyone who doesn't throw themselves at him, yeah, sign me up!

 

Kaitlyn is 100% honest about who she is, she even called herself the Make-Out Bandit.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Ms Blue Jay

[b2H]

CindyBee, I could not agree more re: the wake scene. They are out-doing themselves on the lack of sensitivity.

And as far as Kaitlyn is concerned, Ian was right. There is no amount of redemption tour in the tabloids or on GMA tomorrow morning that can possibly refute everything Ian said about her. He had her number and then she promptly went out and proved her right.

Shawn should be happy to join the others that walked out. None of these guys are on her level. They are way above her. Yes, even Nick.

[The Evil One]

Granted Kaitlyn can do whatever she chooses, but this served to bolster my opinion that she and Nick had something going on before the show. It might have been just texting or phone calls but it feels to me like there was some baseline intimacy and a whole lot of build up to finally being able to be alone together. The only thing I will say is if she is nervous that he might say something to the other guys then that should tell her something about his character.

[Temperance]

According to the internet, an Irish wake is where the body is placed in the house and people sit with the body, people come in and be with the family.

 

 

None of the guys know about the overnight with Nick, so I am assuming Kaitlyn must tell them (I don't read spoilers.)

I don't read spoilers either, but Nick is infamous for oversharing.

 

I couldn't believe they decided to do a wake date. 

 

Britt and Brady meeting her mom was hilarious. Also I didn't recognize her as a blonde for a minute. 

 

This show feels like it goes on forever. I don't have tivo, maybe I should wait watch on line to fast forward. I don't enjoy people crying.

 

I'm trying not to be too hard on Kaitlyn, but I dislike Nick in general. His appeal is that he's both take-charge (bossy) and extremely flattering (I think he's a salesman? so he's good at selling himself. )

 

No I don't want Ian to be the Bachelor. Just saying you could be should disqualify you. Jared maybe for Bachelor. 

Edited June 23, 2015 by Temperance

[Armchair Critic]

Does Nick only get laid on The Bachelor shows? If he just wants to bag some babes seems like he could use his fame (or infamy) for that and not have to go on tv.

 

I had a parent pass away recently and the wake didn't bother me, but I can see that others here felt like Ben Z.

[Padma]

I think these guys are too good for her, too. And this show has sunk so low. Cannot imagine these kinds of dates (a wake? really?) for Trista, Emily, Meredith, Jillian...et al.  So classless. But I guess they feel there's nothing too classless for Kaitlyn (who went on to confirm what Ian said about her, even though he's a jackass for being so rude).

 

Kaitlyn is stupid. That's all I can say.

[betha]

Also, granted this show is edited to the tee but did I miss when Kaitlyn told Shawn he was the one like he claims?

One of the guys tells nick after he shares that they had private time together in her suite, "oh, just like Shawn got some private time" (during the last date?? When??) and then Shawn tells the producer Kaitlin came to visit him and spent six hours in his room. What the heck, show? Did this happen, and if they weren't able to film it, couldn't they have at least showed when he told the other guys about it? Really sloppy to bring this up as an aside when for all we know, she slept with him before sleeping with Nick.

Annoying. And yes, UnReal is seeming more and more accurate.

I don't think less of Kaitlyn. This show puts people in ridiculous situations and this has obviously happened on previous seasons too.

I did notice she never said "we had sex" though.

[Kimmature]

 

And if he's like this already, I can't imagine how he'll be if he finds out she not only is making out with other guys but just had sex with Nick. Also, granted this show is edited to the tee but did I miss when Kaitlyn told Shawn he was the one like he claims?  

 

That must have been in the 6-7 hours that she apparently spent in Sean's hotel room after their date.  I guess that didn't fit the producers' narrative that they were going for in this episode. 

[TomGirl]

Nick acts and speaks like a 13 year old Valley girl. Between his saying "like, I mean" every three words and Kaitlyn with her vocal fry and teeth-licking, I can hardly stand to watch.

I do think Kaitlyn looked the prettiest I've ever seen her in her THs with no makeup, post-sex-with-Ick scene. And no, that isn't a typo.

[jackjill89]

Maybe Kaitlyn was talking to Claire's raccoon out there on the balcony?

 

We had some severe weather near here, so we missed a lot of the show due to weather alerts. Missed the end completely. Can someone fill me in? 

 

Did Shawn confront her? Was it just about the Jared rose? Am I understanding that she spent "quality" time with Shawn too?

 

I can't believe she doesn't understand how upsetting this would be to the other bachelors. 

 

What happened with Britt?

[Adeejay]

That must have been in the 6-7 hours that she apparently spent in Sean's hotel room after their date.  guess that didn't fit the producers' narrative that they were going for in this episode. 

 

I was surprised to hear Shawn say that Kaitlyn told him he was the one.  I was under the impression it was against the rules for the Bachelor/ette to tell a contestant that she/he is the one.  I can certainly understand why he was so confused.

 

I could have done without the groping, whispering and moaning.  It made me very uncomfortable.

 

The look on Britt's face when her mom told her that Brady is just a friend was hilarious.  I have a feeling Brady is on his way out. 

Edited June 23, 2015 by Adeejay

[KR Vermont]

The editing this season is something else. It's so disjointed it doesn't make sense much of the time.

 

I'm still not convinced that Nick is taking time and roses from other guys (as Shawn declared); Kaitlyn's giving it up to Nick because she's drawn to him, can't it just be that simple? The Nick angst is so overdone with Shawn and the mercifully now-departed Joshua.

[CindyBee]

Maybe Kaitlyn was talking to Claire's raccoon out there on the balcony?

 

We had some severe weather near here, so we missed a lot of the show due to weather alerts. Missed the end completely. Can someone fill me in? 

 

Did Shawn confront her? Was it just about the Jared rose? Am I understanding that she spent "quality" time with Shawn too?

 

I can't believe she doesn't understand how upsetting this would be to the other bachelors. 

 

What happened with Britt?

 

Shawn threw a hissy fit on the group date when he didn't get the group date rose;  he told his producer that he didn't know if he could go on, after Kaitlyn had told him in San Antonio that he was 'the one'.   So of course the producers arrange for him to confront her in her room after she was back from her solo time with Jared.  We saw the first sixty seconds of the confrontation and then nothing till next week.  

 

Britt was shown for her sixty seconds at the end, introducing Brady to her mom and they said and did nothing.  No clue if they are remotely even a valid couple.   

[MakeMeLaugh]

Shawn told Kaitlyn he was falling in love with her and she said she was falling in love too, which we heard last week? And watching the other guys look back and forth between Nick and Shawn during dramatic moments make it look like the all seem to think Shawn is the one being dissed. So maybe he takes Nick's smugness more personally.

Will have to watch the last 45 minutes tomorrow as we too got weather bulletins instead of drama. But we couldn't believe how sleazy the one on one was with orgasmic moaning--sort of refreshing to switch to the weather critters.

[TomGirl]

I'm so glad UnReal is on right after this show. It's like having a big, juicy burger with fries and then reaching for a pint of Haagen Dazs.

Edited June 23, 2015 by TomGirl

[truthaboutluv]

and then Shawn tells the producer Kaitlin came to visit him and spent six hours in his room. What the heck, show? Did this happen, and if they weren't able to film it, couldn't they have at least showed when he told the other guys about it? Really sloppy to bring this up as an aside when for all we know, she slept with him before sleeping with Nick.

 

 

An article came out sometime last week in a tabloid, I think In Touch, claiming that per a source from the show, Kaitlyn slept with two guys pre-FS. Yeah after that scene from Shawn, I'm starting to think that may very well be true. And if it is, it begs the question why that was completely not shown and instead the producers edited it to make it seem like she only slept with Nick and that action was some big sin she should feel so bad about.

 

Actually, if it is true she told Shawn he was the one and they had sex, I'm now starting to wonder if the producers, knowing about the interactions between Nick and Kaitlyn before she became The Bachelorette, brought him on to stir some shit up and to pose a serious threat to Shawn because Kaitlyn maybe made up her mind early that Shawn was it which would have made the rest of the season kind of meh. I mean sure she'd still make out with some guys and seem interested but it'd be clear who she really wanted. 

Edited June 23, 2015 by truthaboutluv

[kazza]

I actually like Kaitlan. And thinks she's a decent bachelorette. Oh well, different strokes I guess. No pun intended.

 

I'm with you. I actually like that she's spontaneous and acts upon whatever idea is in her head. Sure, she has to deal with consequences sometimes, but, hey, that's real life, too.

 

(giggle) Shawn talking about Nick "making it to the end" interspersed with scenes of Kaitlyn and Nick in her hotel room.

 

I missed the first 1/2 hour and all the Ian drama. What happened?

 

Who are these guys: Chris "Cupcake", Tanner, Joe, and JJ

 

Ben Z, feel like he's losing steam, though at least we know who he is.

 

Ben H, still adorbs. If he doesn't make F1 (have not been spoiled), he'd make a great Bachelor.

 

Oh Shawn. Remember that time you auditioned for The Bachelorette? Yeah, that's the show you are on. Don't blame this on Kaitlyn.

 

Jared. Seems like the most laid back one of the bunch. Will be interesting to know what sets off his tears!

 

I don't get Nick. Suddenly it's ok to do fiance type things? It's one thing if he was professing Kaitlyn as The One, but he's even hedging himself by saying he's only falling for her.

[TheFinalRose]

Ughhh. ABC Chicago weather broke in more than we got to see the show.  Couldn't even read the captioning of Kaitlyn talking on the balcony due to the weather alerts. Anyway, I want to add Dublin to my list of places to go, it looked lovely, except I'll skip the "dinner in the Catholic church" part. How weird.

 

I have been to a lot of Irish wakes, in funeral homes, that were so loud. Kaitlyn would fit right in.  

 

 

[backformore]

Without the voiceovers, what Ian said wasn't so terrible. He was basically calling her out for Not Being There for the Right Reasons. Though he showed his hand in the limo by saying that he should be The Bachelor; yet, we all know they are driven around for hours and asked leading questions, so that wasn't necessarily his MO--likely just responding to how would it be different if you were the lead. Yet, they ended it with him saying he needs to have sex, so he does want to plow someone's field--just not Kaitlyn's.

To be fair, Previous season contestants have said that they're driven around for hours and asked questions until the producers get the sound bytes they want.   Ian's comment about wanting sex could have been something he said quoting another guy.   they are not above splicing things together to make one comment sound like it meant something else.  I am sure that Ian was ASKED to talk about why he would be a good Bachelor, and how he would do things.   None of what he said to Kaitlyn was wrong.  Kaitlyn should have risen above it and told the rest of the guys that she and Ian had talked, and agreed that their relationship was not progressing, so he  should leave.  that's all she needed to say.

Some of the stuff Kaitlyn was saying about intimacy, she was wearing a white lace dress in talking heads in the first 30 minutes -  it was pretty obvious that was filmed recently -  it just seemed  like a lot of damage control.  

[Adeejay]

I don't get Nick. Suddenly it's ok to do fiance type things? It's one thing if he was professing Kaitlyn as The One, but he's even hedging himself by saying he's only falling for her.

 

I hate to sound crass, but perhaps Nick only wanted to "plow her field."  There is a saying, "When you place an ad, someone is bound to answer it."

 

I noticed that when Ian was talking about being the Bachelor, it wasn't a Talking Head, but rather a voiceover.  I have a feeling that was part of his pre-show interview.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Adeejay

[Alapaki]

Nick wearing puke green skinny pants, an old man plaid jacket, a douche bag hipster tie, and a fucking untucked shirt?

 

 

And don't forget the Chuck Taylors, and the douche-bracelets.  Everything about Nick just makes me want to punch him right in his face.  

 

While I won't defend the messenger, I think Ian's message was 100% correct.  Kaitlyn is there to just have a good time, and because Fleiss asked her.  Nothing wrong with that.  But don't get up on a high horse and pout your duck-lips at the guys.  (and I think the first shot of Ian in the reject-SUV and his last few comments were separated by a little time and ​a lot of tequila.  He was practically slurring his last few words.)

[petalfrog]

I am definitely not a fan of "fiance things"-Nick, so I recognize I am being fully biased here, but I find him totally disingeneous in what he says and disrespectful in his level of PDA pushing. Lifting Kaitlyn up in the middle of the street while she's wearing a short dress? Biting her lip in a bar during the day while an elderly man sits next to them? Hardcore making out in a Catholic church? I know they were drinking a lot but their PDA seemed over the top and disrespectful to those around them and the church they were inand it seemed to me that he was pushing it more (she's not doing that with Jared or Shawn, the other two front runners). Their having sex doesn't bother me (except Nick, ew, and I hope they provide condoms) but their PDA sure did. Nick's manner of speaking I also find very difficult to listen to. I agree with those who think their relationship was budding on some level before the show.

 

I also wish they'd go back to the old format... the end of episode rose ceremony is satisfying. Cliff hangers are irritating.

 

I found Tanner quite amusing this week. I liked the guys joking around about being her boyfriends/ex-boyfriends. It was pretty cute and light-hearted.

[KR Vermont]

I'm confused, did Ian come on the show wanting a woman of depth and not so humor-oriented...it seemed he was familiar with last season...so what did he think he'd get with Kaitlyn and Britt? Laid? Seems like Kelsey would've been more "up here" with Ian on a deluded intellectual level, though not likely his type of hot. Good grief, I'm glad he's gone (and he better not appear as the next Bachelor).

[MakeMeLaugh]

...

Some of the stuff Kaitlyn was saying about intimacy, she was wearing a white lace dress in talking heads in the first 30 minutes - it was pretty obvious that was filmed recently - it just seemed like a lot of damage control.

1000 times yes. Show can't decide if it wants her to be a sinner or a saint.

I predict Nick is going to end up being the bad guy and Kaitlyn the sweet fun-loving innocent he took advantage of.

[Alapaki]

I think Nick's pick-up game (the simpy, faux-vulnerable, tilt-head-down-smile-turn-eyes-upward, etc.) only works on women with no self-esteem.  Which explains his ability to get laid (only?) on the Bachelorette.  

[backformore]

I am CERTAIN that Nick and Kaitlyn had hooked up prior to the show.  They are too comfortable with each other to have just met when he came to the show. 

 

I felt most sorry for the guy who she gave the crappy haircut when he didn't get a rose.   I still don't know the names of all the guys who are left.   there are 3 or 4 who are so similar, they could be brothers. 

 

Why does someone with a fear of birds have birds tattooed on her body?

[Alapaki]

Some of the stuff Kaitlyn was saying about intimacy, she was wearing a white lace dress in talking heads in the first 30 minutes - it was pretty obvious that was filmed recently - it just seemed like a lot of damage control.

 

1000 times yes. Show can't decide if it wants her to be a sinner or a saint.

 

 

The show really was schizophrenic about that.  I agree it was an attempt at damage-control.  I'm not sure if Kaitlyn is smart enough to come up with the false dichotomy, though.  The issue isn't "making sure you're physically compatible", but rather a question of timing.

 

But then that talking head, combined with Kaitlyn's Mesnicking on the balcony essentially validated Ian's essential criticism of Kaitlyn.

[Lamb18]

This show is so dumb. I was watching the people in the background during the Nick date. The spectators did not find Nick's feeble attempts at dancing funny, probably because they thought he was making fun of the dancers. And he probably was. Their faces were stone cold. Then in the pub there were these guys way in the background looking at the camera. I was expecting them to make rabbit ears over Nick's head or to make faces. The heavy make out scenes with a cut to the cross on the altar were distasteful.

 

I feel like this show doesn't respect anyone or anything or itself anymore. Des' and Emily's seasons weren't that long ago, but it just seems different now.

[Ms Blue Jay]

The spectators did not find Nick's feeble attempts at dancing funny,

 

There was a young (or just short) woman holding a camera who had the most horrified expression on her face when Nick was dancing.  It was a hilarious capture by the camera crew.

[Gregg247]

I have no fashion sense whatsoever, but even I recognize that Nick is unable to dress himself correctly.  He loves those skinny green pants, and his suit was too tight for his body.  Plus, is a plaid jacket a thing now?  Maybe he was going to bet on the horses after his date was finished.

 

Once the sexcapades story gets out to the other guys, I'm not sure why they would stick around, except to keep their faces on TV.  Although I've never dated 25 women at the same time before, I assume the proper etiquette would be to not screw any of them until I got down to the final 1-2 (or 3, if I were a real horndog).  Otherwise, it just makes the rest of them look foolish and humiliated. 

 

I felt bad for Jared and Shawn, sitting around the hotel room, talking about trusting Kaitlyn and their "connection", while she was getting connected plenty, just down the hall.

 

I prefer the old method of always having the rose ceremony at the end of the episode.  They promised us a 2-on-1 date (always the highlight of the season for me), but now we have to wait until next week to see it.

 

Edited to add: I expected to hate the wake date, but I found it to be very funny.  I laughed at all the guys' jokes.  When Chris Harrison informed the men that Kaitlyn was dead, I expected him to say," Kaitlyn got herself impaled last night, and as you can see from her corpse, we still can't get that stupid grin off her face!" LOL

Edited June 23, 2015 by Gregg247

[truthaboutluv]

(she's not doing that with Jared or Shawn, the other two front runners)

 

 

Well maybe because she doesn't want to rather than Nick pushing some unwanted PDA on her. I'm sorry, I've watched Kaitlyn since Chris' season and I have never gotten a shrinking violet vibe from her or some blushing innocent. In other words, every single thing that happened between her and Nick, she wanted and encouraged it. They were equal opportunity culpable in whatever went down between them. He picked her up in her short dress yes but SHE wrapped her legs around him in a public street. She was the one practically moaning into their kisses in the pub. They were both clearly very sexually into each other and as two consenting adults, did what they did together. 

[Shadow Wave]

What Ian said is less important than the way he said it. He's an intellectual snob and insecure to boot.

 

The classy thing would have been to say that he made a mistake coming on the show, that he realized it wasn't going to work out between them, and he wished her happiness. Belittling her -- no, berating her -- was essentially just tooting his own horn. Genuinely intelligent person don't need to go around explaining how smart they are, any more than pretty people have to explain how pretty they are.

 

If the Catholic Church is renting out cathedrals for this icky show, things are even worse than I thought.

[Ketzel]

Kaitlyn lying in a coffin was a truly creepy image to me, and I can't imagine how I would have reacted if I had just buried a friend or relative. At the very least, the whole setup was in very bad taste.

 

But she's not the brightest bulb in the lamp under any circumstances, or the most sensitive human being. I have no trouble believing, after seeing how easily she got all giddy with lust and jumped Nick's bones, that she also did the same with Shawn the previous week. She seems to think "following her heart" means mindlessly indulging her every sexual impulse, with no forethought whatsoever.

 

This is followed by whiney hand-wringing morning-after regrets about how she didn't mean to make any of the other guys feel bad by having sex with Nick, when she's been telling them all along that she respects them, has real connections with them and wants them to trust her. So she very much hopes Nick won't tell the guys he got some, because then some might get upset and leave and she doesn't want them to leave.  Did no one ever teach her that actions have consequences?

 

I don't have any problem with Kaitlyn being uninhibited sexually. I have a problem with her being too dim and/or horny to understand that  exerting some self-control might be to her benefit in her situation.  At the very least, it might prevent a mass exodus by hurt bachelors, disgusted bachelors, angry bachelors,  . . .heck, all the bachelors with the possible exception of Nick. Although even he might be put off by learning Kaitlyn screwed Shawn before she did him. I don't think Nick will believe that Kaitlyn and Shawn had meaningful conversation for six or seven hours in her room any more than he expects the other guys to believe him when he says he and Kaitlyn just talked in her room.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Ketzel

[KR Vermont]

Although I don't care for the dragged-out dullness of the rose ceremonies, they are (were!) a tidy wrap to the episodes...now I clock-watch the last ten minutes, wondering what they're going to cram in and then cliffhang the rest of the nonsense.

I'll have to be reminded next week that they didn't get around to the 2-on-1 date yet. It'd be ok if both Joe and JJ got the boot on that one.

[Padma]

An article came out sometime last week in a tabloid, I think In Touch, claiming that per a source from the show, Kaitlyn slept with two guys pre-FS. Yeah after that scene from Shawn, I'm starting to think that may very well be true. And if it is, it begs the question why that was completely not shown and instead the producers edited it to make it seem like she only slept with Nick and that action was some big sin she should feel so bad about.

 

Actually, if it is true she told Shawn he was the one and they had sex, I'm now starting to wonder if the producers, knowing about the interactions between Nick and Kaitlyn before she became The Bachelorette, brought him on to stir some shit up and to pose a serious threat to Shawn because Kaitlyn maybe made up her mind early that Shawn was it which would have made the rest of the season kind of meh. I mean sure she'd still make out with some guys and seem interested but it'd be clear who she really wanted. 

I read that somewhere last week (a CH interview?), that Kaitlyn was so into one guy only that it was like "game over, show over" so they brought in Nick. Makes sense because they're like that.

 

As for Kaitlyn, she's heard of "a microphone" and "television show" before, hasn't she? I couldn't believe her comments after the night with Nick, worrying that "he'd tell". Yet it never seemed to concern her that everyone --everyone!-- would see this all on camera in not too long a time (and hear it too, ew).

 

I think Ian's right. She's got to be one of the dumbest (and least interesting) b-ettes in the show's history.

[Former Nun]

I felt most sorry for the guy who she gave the crappy haircut when he didn't get a rose.

 

 

That guy seems genuine and is very cute.  I'd like to see him be the next bachelor...and why wouldn't production do something about that horrible haircut?  They made him look like a buffoon.