Snark Should Be Multiplied, Not Divided: General Show Discussion

[MamaMax]

It is sort of icky, but not uncommon in insular communities, like the Amish, or Royal families LOL

[Quickbeam]

Having worked in Plain communities, genetic anomalies are very common. Too small a pool. 

[SometimesBites]

Absolutely. Nature abhors a lack of genetic diversity.

[kassa]

Risk and severity of heart disease increases with the number of wives

Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, 29 April 2015: Polygamy increases the risk of heart disease by more than 4-fold, reveals research presented at the Asian Pacific Society of Cardiology Congress 2015 (APSC 2015) by Dr Amin Daoulah, a cardiologist at the King Faisal Specialist Hospital and Research Centre in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The risk and severity of heart disease increased with the number of wives.

 

APSC 2015 is being held in Abu Dhabi from 29 April to 2 May in conjunction with the XX World Congress of Echocardiography and Allied Techniques 2015 and the 6th Annual Emirates Cardiac Society Congress 2015. Experts from the European Society of Cardiology (ESC) will present a special programme.1

 

Dr Daoulah said: “There is evidence that married people have better overall health and longevity but until now no study has assessed the effect of polygamy on cardiovascular health. Men who practice polygamy have up to four concurrent wives who can reside in the same or different regions but do not normally reside in the same house. Polygamy is practiced mainly in North and West Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia and Southeast Asia.”

 

The prospective multicentre observational study examined the relationship between the presence and severity of coronary artery disease (CAD) and number of wives. It included consecutive patients referred for coronary angiography at 5 hospitals in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. CAD was defined as more than 70% narrowing in a major epicardial blood vessel or more than 50% in the left main artery (called left main disease, LMD). Multivessel disease (MVD) was defined as more than one diseased vessel.

The 687 married men in the study had an average age of 59 years and 56% had diabetes, 57% had hypertension and 45% had a past history of CAD. Around two-thirds of the men had one wife (68%) while 19% had 2 wives, 10% had 3 wives and 3% had 4 wives. There were significant baseline differences according to the number of wives. Men with more than 1 wife were more likely to be older, live in a rural area, have a higher income and have a history of coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG).

 

Dr Daoulah said: “Polygamy may be more frequent in rural areas because it is more culturally acceptable and getting married at a young age is more common. Also, in the regions that we studied, there was a higher percentage of national citizens residing in rural areas compared to urban areas. Men with multiple wives have to be well supported financially, and although Saudis and Emirati people are supported by their governments, polygamists may need more than one income. They may therefore take on extra employment or have the added pressure of travelling daily to urban areas for higher paid work.”

 

The researchers found a significant association between number of wives and the presence of CAD, LMD and MVD. Risk increased with the number of wives (see figure). After adjusting for baseline differences, the researchers showed that men who practiced polygamy had a 4.6-fold increased risk of CAD, a 3.5-fold increased risk of LMD and a 2.6-fold elevated risk of MVD.

Dr Daoulah said: “We found an association between an increasing number of wives and the severity and number of coronary blockages. This could be because the need to provide and maintain separate households multiplies the financial burden and emotional expense. Each household must be treated fairly and equally, and it seems likely that the stress of doing that for several spouses and possibly several families of children is considerable.”

 

He added: “However, unmeasured confounding variables such as physical activity, level of intimacy, dietary habits and genetic effects from interbreeding with close relatives needs to be analysed in greater depth as they may influence the outcome. In conclusion, the problem is coronary heart disease and polygamy is only an association and not necessarily a root cause therefore further studies are required to verify the link.”

 

Professor Michel Komajda, a past president of the ESC and course director of the ESC programme in Abu Dhabi, said: “We know that long-term stress in family life increases the risk of coronary heart disease (CHD)2 and it would be interesting to see what effect polygamy had on wives’ CHD risk. People with psychosocial risk factors are less likely to take cardiac medications, which could be relevant in the group with prior CABG. Extra support may be needed to adhere to prescribed drugs and change lifestyle.”

 

Dr Wael Almahmeed, chairperson of the APSC 2015 local organising committee, said: “This is the first time the APSC has been held in the Middle East in its 20 year history. This is an interesting study, that I am sure will stimulate discussions and controversy.”

[SometimesBites]

Fascinating study. This was the thing I most gravitated to: “We know that long-term stress in family life increases the risk of coronary heart disease (CHD)2 and it would be interesting to see what effect polygamy had on wives’ CHD risk."

 

Yes, that would be VERY interesting indeed. Current medical science has made clear correlations between emotional stress and heart health. One can literally suffer from what has always been referred to as a "broken heart."

[MaryMitch]

If Kody actually took responsibility for his families, I can see him with a lot of stress. It seems to me that the wives are the ones that are stressed; Kody just sails through his life, knowing that there's always a way to scam money right around the next corner.

[zenme]

If Kody actually took responsibility for his families, I can see him with a lot of stress. It seems to me that the wives are the ones that are stressed; Kody just sails through his life, knowing that there's always a way to scam money right around the next corner

 

Exactly. So, Kody should be fine.  I wonder what the studies (if any, which I doubt), say about the women in these polygamous marriages and their heart/health issues.

[SometimesBites]

Exactly. So, Kody should be fine.  I wonder what the studies (if any, which I doubt), say about the women in these polygamous marriages and their heart/health issues.

We've seen how Kody deals with "stress" in his relationships: he tells the woman that he takes no responsibility for how she feels, and walks away with a toss of his stringy blonde curls.

[Kohola3]

I have zero sympathy for any of them.  They knew they were getting into a lifestyle that is totally dysfunctional; If it were such a great option, it would be more mainstream.  Throw in the whole bleeding the beast scenarios and the continued anguish of the women and I want to smack them all.  Suck it up, dump the manchild and move the hell on.  If you can't do that, then shut the hell up about your problems.  You made your bed....

[truelovekiss]

Any word on when this disaster is coming back?

[CofCinci]

Any word on when this disaster is coming back?

Maybe sooner than planned with the Duggar cancellation.

[toodles]

Sister Wives is in reruns again.  I watched the Are We Going To Be In The Houses By Christmas one again.  I know.  I need a hobby.  Any hoo, the houses were supposed to fix everything and we all know what happened.  Then the commitment ceremony was going to fix everything.  And that didn't work.  Now there is a divorce and a new baby.  Will we watch 10 episodes of the new baby will fix everything?  Geez, I hope not.  

 

I've been watching Escaping Polygamy.  Tell us again, Browns, how great this lifestyle is.  

 

FYI, I think Kody divorced Meri for financial aid for that really expensive college their golden child attends.  And the fact that Robyn is the only sister wife he still sleeps with.  It skeeved me out to even type that sentence.  Eww.

[Featherhat]

Robyn may be the favourite, but that doesn't mean Kody doesn't um "visit" other wives, either because he likes that he gets something different from each of them or just because he treats some of them awfully on camera doesn't mean he won't expect to be treated like a king by 4 different women if/when he feels like it because he can. *insert terrible, horrible puns here*. *brain bleach* 

[jellywager]

I think that Jenelle is getting some since she is all giggly and lovey-eyed about Kody. Christine, nah, she is too bitter. Meri probably had a marathon boink fest to convince her to go through the divorce. 

[leighroda]

Although I am excited for this thread to be up and active again, I am already over the commercials for the upcoming season, and there is still a week to go of them. Meri and the "divorce is final"... Kody doesn't know... I mean he's not the brightest crayon in the box... But I think even he knew that was coming by the fact that he filed or signed off on it being filed.

Then cut to him thinking he's super clever by eloping with Robyn. They already had a wedding, if their "ceremonies" mean what they insist they mean, than another ceremony to make the marriage legal is not necessary, they could just go to the courthouse to make the paperwork legal. Plus he is chomping at the bit to marry Robyn, which also tells me no fucks are given in meri's previous statement seeming that he may be upset the divorce is final.

And until I see actual proof that Robyn's ex is willingly giving up custody I give side eye to the adoption thing. He's such a douche "do you want me to adopt you".

Wow... Much snark and just based off of a 30 second commercial.

[SometimesBites]

I dumped cable last year, so I never see the commercials for the upcoming pile of bullshit...THANK THE SWEET BABY JESUS. For most of last season I just came here to read the snark, and if something seemed weird enough I'd watch for myself. I still haven't watched the divorce episode or the last tell-nothing. Looking forward to fresh chatter with y'all, but I don't think I can watch any of it myself...they are just such lying, self-righteous, phoney, faking, assholes. This entire line of adoption crap absolutely nauseates me on behalf of those kids and their father. Even if he has been lackadaisical about seeing them, how DARE they make this a story line for television! How dare Kody wait until a camera is rolling and ask a child if she wants him to adopt her! They pretend this holier-than-thou, puritanical attitude about showing their bedroom, but parade their most appalling business around for mass consumption. Disgusting people.

[jellywager]

 

Then cut to him thinking he's super clever by eloping with Robyn. They already had a wedding, if their "ceremonies" mean what they insist they mean, than another ceremony to make the marriage legal is not necessary, they could just go to the courthouse to make the paperwork legal. Plus he is chomping at the bit to marry Robyn, which also tells me no fucks are given in meri's previous statement seeming that he may be upset the divorce is final.

If I was Janelle or Kristine (which I would never put myself in this brainwashing position) this would be the FINAL FUCKING STRAW. I would leave.

[Galloway Cave]

These idiots have been living their lives on social media for the past six months and everything has already been dissected and beaten to death on this and other blogs. Anything they show us on the show will be old news and obviously faked or a huge twist on the truth, so why even bother? Even the rabid fans from their FB and Twitter pages will be able to see the fake crap. I'll hate watch, of course, because I have nothing else to do on Sunday nights. 

[Zahdii]

These idiots have been living their lives on social media for the past six months and everything has already been dissected and beaten to death on this and other blogs.

 

Do tell!  There's not a spoiler thread here, and I only get my SW fix here, so spill.  Does Meri really have a new boyfriend?  Is Robyn pregnant again?  What news of the college kids?  Any sign of them abandoning their Vegas homes to slink back to Utah?

[SometimesBites]

Do tell! There's not a spoiler thread here, and I only get my SW fix here, so spill. Does Meri really have a new boyfriend? Is Robyn pregnant again? What news of the college kids? Any sign of them abandoning their Vegas homes to slink back to Utah?

1. Meri only had a catfishing prankster distracting her for about 5 minutes.

2. Yes, Robyn is pregnant. I know it must come as a shock, seeing as how she's never had a child before and was far too invested in her bizness to want a baby....

3. Not much news of the college kids, except Maddie has maybe changed locations.

4. No outward clues yet of the inevitable loss of the houses. I imagine heavenly father will issue an edict sometime in the fairly near future.

Edited September 7, 2015 by SometimesBites

[Kohola3]

Does Meri really have a new boyfriend? 

Apparently there have been hints on that on Twitter.

 

Is Robyn pregnant again?

Sadly, yes.  The menagerie to be increased by yet another.

 

What news of the college kids?

 

One of them is going to the some military college. I don't care enough to keep track of names.

 

Any sign of them abandoning their Vegas homes to slink back to Utah?

 

Seems inevitable.  That stupid closet thing is apparently closing down not that they will be able to unload that cheap crap to anybody.  And no other source of income besides the TLC gravy train that hopefully be soon running off the tracks. 

 

As evil as I am, I will only watch this mess if they are filming when they come to repossess the houses and all of the furnishings they are in hock for.

[Aethera]

If we like, I can start a thread for Season 6 Speculation & Social Media Spoilers. Not sure if anyone worries about being spoiled around here :)

[MsTree]

Sounds good to me!!

[Galloway Cave]

The only one being spoiled is Robyn.

[Taylorh2]

How can Kody & Meri divorce ?  Weren't they "sealed" in their church like for all ETERNITY ?

[riverblue22]

How can Kody & Meri divorce ?  Weren't they "sealed" in their church like for all ETERNITY ?

 

They are still sealed for all eternity in the eyes of their church.  Kody is sealed to all of them.  The divorce was a civil procedure.

[b2H]

So how committed is TLC to this program?

I will be traveling Sunday night and thought to look ahead to see if the show would be on any other time during the week so I wouldn't have to DVR it and watch it next time I am home.

I checked the TLC schedule a week out. The show is ONLY on Sunday night. No other time, even overnight.

I have to wonder with the endless repeats of other shows if TLC is just finishing out the contract.

[Kohola3]

I think that TLC is beginning to see the end of this mess.  There just isn't anything new and nobody is invested in the Brown Clowns any longer.

 

At the beginning it was an interesting concept and I watched to see what polygamy was all about. But i no longer care, mostly because this isn't about the religious aspects of polygamy, it's about a narcissistic man-child and his concubines.  Can't stand any of them and particularly loathe Kadoofus and Robun.

[Aethera]

Thread created - let's take discussion on the upcoming season there please! :)

[leighroda]

And the skies opened up and there is a sister wives marathon on tlc... Let the snarking begin!!

[tessa]

I never watched Sister Wives until the marathon today and that was only because - it's raining and nothing else was on. I got through 1 1/2 shows from when they went on vacation. Sorry ya all but I can't believe TLC actually pays for this. Kody is a dip - and I'm being nice as there are many other words I'd use to describe him. He's all me,me,me and takes responsibility for nothing else. I can totally see why Christine was upset with his friend - and Kody should have realized it also. Since he didn't and had to be told that it offended some of them a simple solution is to pacify the wives with an I'm sorry - I'll talk to him instead of it again becoming a situation where Kody thought he had no responsibility to address it or remedy it.

 

I don't know what his job is or if he even has one - but he reminds me of a moocher with TLC and his wives providing his income.

[MarysWetBar]

Just rewatched the scene where Meri and Sobbyn tell Janelle and Christine about the divorce etc. Meri got a kick out of sticking it to Janelle. It shows all over her mug. I actually just realized that these people bother me worse than the Duggars! Or maybe i haven't seen the Duggedy -Doos for a bit so am forgetting the strength of my disgust. .haha

But seeing Asshat Kody and Sobbyn and Meris faces again my blood pressure shot up fifty points..haha

Edited September 13, 2015 by MarysWetBar

[riverblue22]

I've turned the preview show on three times and turned it off immediately.  It's really nauseating crap....

[answerphone]

I do like the fact that most of their kids seem very nice and normal. ☺Mariah's a bit spoiled and moody, but I do enjoy watching the children interact.

[algebra]

As I recall, Sol slept with her/them at least for a while.

As you said, she has the "gift" of revisionism. Or, calling a spade a spade, she's a flat out liar. I wouldn't bet 2 cents on the truth of anything that (endlessly) rolls out of that mouth of hers.

[algebra]

Been reading other blogs on this, in her divorce, Robyn was assigned something like $34,000 in credit card debt to Sears, Target, and Victoria's Secret. You would think she might have bought a crib out of that.
I was also reading that she and Jessop originally planned to have a polygamous marriage but 3 kids and 9 years later he still hadn't brought home another wife (to help with the housework? The childcare? What do you think? She planned to be the primary wife with other subordinate wives to work for her?)
Is that what she called "abuse?"

Anyway, love the snark on this board. This one is totally hilarious

[MaryMitch]

You know, in the beginning of the series, the word was that the Browns had decided to go public to show how really wonderful their lifestyle is. I believe they even got permission from their church. And in the first year, we were introduced to a family that did seem to cooperate with each other, bringing forth all the so-called benefits of the polygamous lifestyle and having sister wives.

 

My, how things have changed! Of course, now we know they were lying all along about their money situation (multiple bankruptcies) and how much they all loved each other. But I do think the exposure has actually made them more miserable.

[Ilovemylabs]

OK.  I'm asking for some help here.  My sister just began watching this program and I need to explain to her about who owns the houses in the cul de sac.  I know they have some short term loans or something and that they could lose the houses to the developer (builder?) in a year or so, but can someone please explain the entire situation clearly so I can tell my sister?  I remember all the crap about getting mortgages and being approved, etc., but beyond that I'm a little lost.  Thanks!

[Kohola3]

They took out interest-only loans on the McMansions from the builder. That means that the the payments that they make cover only the interest on the loan and nothing goes to the principal.  The term was 3 years.  At the end of that time, they need to refinance, get a conventional mortgage and/or pay a lump sum toward the principal.  When you have an interest-only loan, you don't build up any equity in the home at all.  So if they are unable to qualify for a conventional mortgage at the end of the defined term (which is fast approaching) the homes can be repossessed.

 

With an interest only loan, they still owe same the full amount (estimated to be at least $500,000) as the day they moved in.

 

Apparently their joory empire didn't quite make enough to pay off the 2 mill owed.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Kohola3

[CofCinci]

Meri's house - $447,017.

Robyn's house - $445,039.

Janelle's house - $443,700.

Christine's house - $443,315.

They'll need to secure at least $1,779,071 in funding for the new mortgages (interest only mortgages will come to term in Dec 2015 - Jan 2016) very soon.

[Kohola3]

They'll need to secure at least $1,779,071 in funding for the new mortgages (interest only mortgages will come to term in Dec 2015 - Jan 2016) very soon.

 

I hope they saved some of those packing boxes from the Flight for Their Lives.

[DakotaJustice]

Oh my guess is that they won't get the financing, and just stop making payments but stay in the houses until they're foreclosed on and MADE to leave.

Even Janelle.

And just like when they "fled" Lehi, they will leave everything in disarray.

There's a reason they held onto the Lehi house.

Oh and one more thing. They will all blame the builders who gave them the loans to begin with...persecution because of their lifestyle of course.

Good luck selling the homes one by one. Who would want to be neighbors with this bunch??

Edited October 5, 2015 by DakotaJustice

[CofCinci]

They might be able to secure funding for one house -- Queen Robyn's.

Everyone else is shit out of luck.

Do they still own the Lodi house?

[MarysWetBar]

Oh my guess is that they won't get the financing, and just stop making payments but stay in the houses until they're foreclosed on and MADE to leave.

Even Janelle.

And just like when they "fled" Lehi, they will leave everything in disarray.

There's a reason they held onto the Lehi house.

Oh and one more thing. They will all blame the builders who gave them the loans to begin with...persecution because of their lifestyle of course.

Good luck selling the homes one by one. Who would want to be neighbors with this bunch??

I was thinking that watching last night's episode when he was bellering at Gabe to bring the black paint back immediately. Thought if i was their neighbor, I would be out laying tripwires and keying convertibles once i had a bellyfull of chardonnay..haha Edited October 5, 2015 by MarysWetBar

[DakotaJustice]

Oh yeah last time I checked they still owned it. Family members live there now.

They might be holding it as a scintillating plot device - a whole season of Janelle trying to sell the house to another family of polygamists (because really who else would want it?) but more likely it's their safety net so they have somewhere to live after the Vegas houses are foreclosed.

[Ilovemylabs]

Thanks to all who clarified the house/mortgage question.  My sister is visiting me for a few weeks and we have been watching the show together and snarking away.  Just discovered that my other sister also watches!  I guess bad taste runs in the family.

[Christi]

They might be able to secure funding for one house -- Queen Robyn's.

Everyone else is shit out of luck.

Do they still own the Lodi house?

Hey! That better be a typo..

I live in Lodi!! Lol

Edited October 5, 2015 by Christi

[RazzleberryPie]

I can imagine those houses are going to have to have a lot of updating due to wear and tear. None of the Browns come off as people who would value and take care of anything, not to mention they have 10 million children who are naturally destructive.

[ginger90]

If Robyn's house still has a "mortgage" how did Kody's name get put on the deed?

[SometimesBites]

If Robyn's house still has a "mortgage" how did Kody's name get put on the deed

The title of a piece of real estate can change w/o any change at all to whatever financing is in place.