S19.E11: The Women Tell All

[Shugardrawers]

I'm fairly certain that when asked on a date with a pretty woman "Hey, wanna look at some porn?"  that most men would think that sounded like a GREAT idea.  Jade can't possible be naive enough to think that he'd say no?  What man doesn't like photos and videos of pretty naked women?  Unless he's gay.  And gay men still have an appreciation for the beauty of the female form even if they don't get turned on by it.

[dbell1]

I really felt sorry for Chris Harrison, and the sacrificed pocket hankie. He's dealing with a screeching pile of harpies and Prince Dullsville. And had to give up his matching square.

Britt and her glitter tears are finally out of my life. Hooray! If she becomes the Bachelorette, I'll be out. I can't deal with a grown up toddler beauty queen.

The only women who came off okay were the ones not invited.

[Andromeda]

I'm fairly certain that when asked on a date with a pretty woman "Hey, wanna look at some porn?"  that most men would think that sounded like a GREAT idea.  Jade can't possible be naive enough to think that he'd say no?  What man doesn't like photos and videos of pretty naked women?  Unless he's gay.  And gay men still have an appreciation for the beauty of the female form even if they don't get turned on by it.

It was so awkward, I think Chris was letting Jade take the lead. So when she asked if he wanted to see the photos, I'm sure he figured since she was offering, she must want him to see them. Plus, yeah, I bet he was very curious, what guy (or girl) wouldn't be? So I don't fault him at all for agreeing to take a look. Jade expects too much. He hadn't even had time to process his feelings about her revelation.

 

As for next week, someone upthread mentioned a Mesnick ending, and I see that as a possiblity, too, if he picks Whitney over Becca, based on the comment from his father.

[MsPH]

I couldn't believe it when Chris Harrison started plugging his book. Reminded me of Burning Love. Actually most of this season has.

[leighdear]

People who are narcissistic and self-obsessed go to great pains to present themselves in the most attractive light.  And to make sure they always LOOK good. 

 

Britt is not a pretty crier.  She has to know that.  If she were so fake, then why would she be crying so much on camera, knowing she would not look pretty? 

 

Rhetorical question, actually.  

[Soobs]

When Britt and Kelsey were onstage weeping and rending their garments, it looked like auditions for community theater.

[kazza]

Wow. Best WTA ever. This was not the lovefest that was Juan Pablo's season. (I'm trying to remember what woman drama was in the house outside of Clare, who, as F2 wouldn't have been on WTA anyway. Even Sharleen, who was probably the most angst-y of the women was well-liked. Maybe everyone just directed their anger at Juan Pablo.)

 

First- Britt's "your hate for me comes from a place of pain" was a low blow. LOW. Knowing that Carly suffered from esteem challenges, she knew exactly where to hit. What a little manipulator. I wouldn't doubt if she had no women friends.

 

Second- Kelsey needs some serious help. If she's defining herself by her "amazing story", there is no chance in hell she's ready to date. If she's using it as a ploy, she's delusional. Either way, the woman isn't emotionally healthy. Part of me wonders what would have happened had she made F1.

 

Third- Ashley S. Girl is playing us all. She even giggled and alluded to wanting to be silly on TV. Am I dreaming that we did she the clip where she spied the "accounting department" counting cash or something? We need to see more of her.

 

Fourth- Jade. Not much to say here. Yeah, probably not what Chris is looking for in Arlington, Iowa. On the plus side, millions of guys now know who she is and would have zero problem.

 

Fifth- Kaitlyn. Seems like a cool girl. Fairly well-adjusted. As someone else mentioned, held her own with Jimmy Kimmel. [snip] Maybe because she doesn't fit the beautiful teeth / hair mold? Who knows.. [snip]

 

Finally- Chris. Yeah, he's kind of boring and inarticulate (betterment means something completely different than what I think he thinks), but, let's face it, he just has been around fewer people than probably average. Not belittling him at all, but compared to someone the same age living in a big city, he's going to have less experience with different types of people and situations. Added to that, he's reasonably good looking, has a loving family, and certainly rich, so he probably hasn't had to do much in way of charm.

 

Whoever he ends up with is going to have to deal with that, so they'd better have a strong personality and be able to understand any of his quirks and reticence. Whitney seems to be the stronger choice if this were the only requirement, but who knows, Becca's laid back demeanor may be useful, too.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Rhondinella

[BC Mama]

THIS!

 

Also, did Ashley I get her lash extensions removed, or  . . . shortened or something?  Her eyes were much less obnoxious tonight.  I mean, granted, we weren't getting the really tight closeups on her face that we did during the season either, so maybe I just couldn't tell.  But she seems to have toned down the makeup overall.  She looked nearly natural.  Or as natural as a girl like that is ever going to get.  Maybe seeing herself on TV with all that crap caked on her face made her rethink the whole thing.

Maybe she reads this forum!

  

So, who gives the longest, most uncomfortable smelly hugs on reality tv? Britt or Vince from Survivor? #wesmellbad

  

They would be perfect together! And Kelsey and Rodney could bond over exploiting deaths of their loved ones!

Agreed. I was really put off that she was mad that Chris said it was uncomfortable watching her videos with her. Wouldn't most guys? She tried to spin that those videos were a mistake that she made when she was younger that she regrets, but 5 minutes of googling suggest otherwise. The pics and videos were done within the last two years, she's well into her 20s, not 18, and she regularly appears in pics and events for The Chive (which is known for slutty selfies from model wannabes and Jades pics for them are no exception). You don't get to make that your "career" and then be shocked it limits your options. Plenty of guys like their sluts on the screen but not in the bed.

I think Jade was more upset that he did not tell her how he was feeling at the time, and had to read about it on his blog later.

[Mu Shu]

People who are narcissistic and self-obsessed go to great pains to present themselves in the most attractive light.  And to make sure they always LOOK good. 

 

Britt is not a pretty crier.  She has to know that.  If she were so fake, then why would she be crying so much on camera, knowing she would not look pretty? 

 

Rhetorical question, actually.  

Only in some cases.    There have been extreme cases who have gained massive amounts of weight, disfigured themselves, etc.   It's not about looking good per se, but being the only person who matters.     Look at June from Honey Boo boo.    Hideous woman, probably a big old narcissist. 

Edited March 4, 2015 by Mu Shu

[henripootel]

The issue with "isn't my story aMAZing?" isn't that she was taking the death of her husband lightly.  It's that she was treating her time on the show as a chapter in the Book of Kelsey that's she's apparently narrating in her head (and in talking heads) All. The. Time.

I think the problem is that she was using something intensely personal as a bargaining chip on a reality show.  Her husband was an actual guy who actually died, and she's using his death as social lubricant to kiss on another guy?  I know this kinda nonsense is coin of the realm on this show but even for here, it's amazingly cheap and tacky.  The weirdest part is that Kelsey apparently doesn't see this, like, at all.  Bad enough to say such a thing but to be unaware of how it'd be perceived?  That's a special kind of egocentric.

[TheFinalRose]

Awesome article about attending the taping of the WTA:  

 

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/03/6-hours-of-crying-with-the-bachelor-women.html

 

And yeah, all the reaction shots are done by the audience before the tear-fest starts and then edited in post production.  

[Rhondinella]

That article is all kinds of awesome.

[NikSac]

Great article, thanks for posting it!  Damn, that sounds incredibly more boring than I would've thought.  I always thought the audience reaction shots didn't quite fit, but I was surprised they film them all at once at the beginning - that's crazy.  Also, I had no idea Subway was such a big sponsor of reality shows (they're huge on MTV's Real World too) - or is it just that they are popular because it's a cheap way to feed a lot of people? 

[CalamityBoPeep]

I actually wonder what would happen if Ashley S were the Bachelorette.

 

It'd be so much fun watching the guys trying to make sense of what they're seeing.  She'd be constantly coloring outside the lines and they'd be lost and confused.  But there'd be that one special guy who just "gets it" and plays the game just as fantastically as she does.  They'd spin off into la-la land together, dancing through fields of daffodils, laughing like loons at all the others who take it all so seriously.  It'd end with a rose ceremony in which she says "Let's go have some fun." They wouldn't bother pretending they were going to get married, but they'd end up together for a good long while, anyway.

 

A girl can dream, eh?  That'd be a season I'd love to see.  Heh.

[looksee]

I really felt sorry for Chris Harrison, and the sacrificed pocket hankie. He's dealing with a screeching pile of harpies and Prince Dullsville. And had to give up his matching square.

I don't. You'd think by now he'd smarten up and have a box of tissue nearby.

[henripootel]

Oh no! Chris is going to fall under the power of Britt's hug! Chris's eye is twitching when Britt is talking about their chemistry. Is he trying not to cry? Is he trying to resist her magnetism?

I've long since wondered if part of Britt's charm for Prince Smarming is something he wasn't allowed to mention: he doesn't want to live in Iowa either.  Just a hunch.

Edited March 4, 2015 by henripootel

[MsTree]

Does anyone know what Chris Harrison was referring to when Ashley S. was wondering around and found herself in a place that he was "forbidden to talk about"? His statement occurred during his interview with Ashley, but was completely glossed over.

[chocolatine]

Does anyone know what Chris Harrison was referring to when Ashley S. was wondering around and found herself in a place that he was "forbidden to talk about"? His statement occurred during his interview with Ashley, but was completely glossed over.

 

He said it was "the accounting department" which doesn't make sense because why would accountants be working at the mansion, unless the production company offices are located on the property? So I think "accounting department" is code for "room where producers discuss ways to stir up drama and humiliate the contestants", hence someone telling Ashley she wasn't supposed to be there.

[Former Nun]

I really felt sorry for Chris Harrison, and the sacrificed pocket hankie. He's dealing with a screeching pile of harpies and Prince Dullsville. And had to give up his matching square.

 

 

I was hoping he'd pull out that hankie and we'd see that silk print was merely the border.  The rest was something given to him by another famous author, monogrammed with "Dr. Phil," of course.  Chris could let us know that on the next "tell all" show he will have his own line of hankies to distribute.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Former Nun

[MsTree]

He said it was "the accounting department" which doesn't make sense because why would accountants be working at the mansion, unless the production company offices are located on the property? So I think "accounting department" is code for "room where producers discuss ways to stir up drama and humiliate the contestants", hence someone telling Ashley she wasn't supposed to be there.

 

Thanks, Chocolatine...that makes more sense, although one would think the girls would be aware of the on-property "accounting dept" beforehand. I think it would have been funny (esp. when Kimmel was on) for Ashley to expose the entire set-up (as in the wizard of oz) LOL.

[JenE4]

Awesome article about attending the taping of the WTA:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/03/6-hours-of-crying-with-the-bachelor-women.html

And yeah, all the reaction shots are done by the audience before the tear-fest starts and then edited in post production.

Good article! I have a higher regard for the audience members now. I always wondered where they found these people that were SO over the top! But I can totally see how I would absolutely end up looking like an idiot on TV, too. The producer would say look shocked and action! And I'd be all (:-O but IRL my reaction to whatever they were saying would just be :-l

[ByTor]

He said it was "the accounting department" which doesn't make sense because why would accountants be working at the mansion, unless the production company offices are located on the property? So I think "accounting department" is code for "room where producers discuss ways to stir up drama and humiliate the contestants", hence someone telling Ashley she wasn't supposed to be there.

In the "Chris Tells All" episode, CH talked about Ashley wandering over to the production accountants & then saying that she thought they were placing bets.  I was under the impression all shows had production accountants, so I thought it was legit.

[Bugs Meany]

He said it was "the accounting department" which doesn't make sense because why would accountants be working at the mansion, unless the production company offices are located on the property? So I think "accounting department" is code for "room where producers discuss ways to stir up drama and humiliate the contestants", hence someone telling Ashley she wasn't supposed to be there.

 

That's right. The show is produced by Next Entertainment for Warner Bros., which sells it to ABC. The accounting must happen in L.A. or Burbank, not on-site.

[leighdear]

Agree that the money people would NOT be onsite at the filming.  A production like TB would house finance in a permanent office elsewhere.  This show, while filming and airing at specific times and specific seasons, is a year-round business.  It's a franchise of ABC, and as such has loads of employees that work solely for the associated shows. 

 

They would have access to too much confidential financial data to be working out of a tent, within wi-fi range of anybody with a laptop or tablet.  I don't buy it for a minute that they would be so lax with security.  "Accountng" is a cover for the production folks.

[MakeMeLaugh]

Great episode of WTA, just great.

I am now thinking Carly knew Chris on some level before the show, being a peripheral part of the extended Bachelor family, or if not, let him know very early that she knew what he was going through because of her brother having been a bachelor. I think that's why she defended herself to Britt by saying Chris was her friend (in a way that all the other women weren't) and I think that's why he greeted her first after the show.

Totally agree with the poster who said Carly's snarking persona wouldn't work for the Bachelorette because she really wouldn't have anyone to demean, so she's out. Not to mention her low self-esteem--I always hate it when a couple of the Bachelorettes have seemed pathetically grateful to the bachelors for liking her.

I do like Britt but I think she is sort of a one-note really nice girl who gets what she wants (she wanted to sit on stage? Done. She wanted to hug Chris right away? Done), so I don't know that she could carry the Bachelorette either. And there would seriously be a shortage of tears by the end of the season.

Kaitlyn's sort of predictable comedian schtick got tiresome for me. Wonder why she needed so much closure--honey, if you gave it up in the FS, well, it takes two to tango. Is your humiliation based on knowing that Becca didn't and is still standing? Agree with another poster upthread that if Kaitlynn were the Bachelorette, she would end up with six new guy BFFs and no hubby.

Kelsey, just go away, now. Juellia has a bazillion times more honest emotion over her late husband than you do, and never mentioned his full name either. Haha that Chris H. trumped your writerly foofooness by popping out a romance novel of his own.

Jade's dramatic reveal on her elimination episode was 100 percent producer-driven. No way that laptop just happened to open up to her slideshow. Pretty girl, she'll be okay. No way she can be Bachelorette as there would be way too many guys applying. At least you have the wild mustang story that would be awesome to drive the show. I do think Chris was totally smitten with her.

Please TPTB pick Ashley Cuckoo for Bachelorette. She shone on Monday night. She would be hilarious, and the rose ceremonies!--she could come in with the axe, the paintball gun, etc. The girl totally gets it. Or give her her own show, and make Megan her sidekick. Set on location of course in Mesa Verde. Call it "The Accounting Department."

Edited March 4, 2015 by MakeMeLaugh

[ByTor]

Not to get too off-topic, but this is what production accountants do:

"Production Accountants are responsible for managing finances and maintaining financial records during film or TV production, working closely with the producer and the production office. Their job includes preparing schedules and budgets for film productions, and managing the day to day accounting financial reporting against the budgets."

I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be on site.

[FamilyVan]

Wasn't this the season where there were originally twice as many girls that they usually begin with?  So not all of those girls were included in the WTA, right?

[archer1267]

I really, really hope that the reason the footage of Britt acting like an ass on the 3 on 1 group date wasn't shown was simply because the producers decided that the storyline of the WTA was going to be that Carly is a meanie...

 

 

I personally would have LOVED a clip of Britt slowly nodding and cracking her knuckles one by one before confronting Chris about Kelsey's rose. It's like she studied Robert DeNiro's methods of "how to appear menacing without saying one word."

[Madding crowd]

I still don't have a problem with Britt, but I agree she is immature. She was nice to the other girls in the house and even in her so-called meltdown she told Kaitlyn it wasn't about her and that she liked her. She just fell into the trap that happens on the show when the bachelor or bachelorette falls for someone right away and pays them a lot of attention. They are expecting the attention to continue and when it doesn't they want to know why. I don't believe Chris would have sent her away if Carly hadn't said anything. Chris made it seem like he was crazy about Britt, and the girls all mentioned it. Then suddenly, the feelings completely go away because she complains about not getting a rose? Honestly, if that is all it would take to make someone fall out of love, he is a really shallow guy. 

 

I think Kaitlyn is ok, but she doesn't have a lot of personality and seems like a tomboy best friend type. I think she was/is upset because Chris had sex with her in the fantasy suite and that led her to believe he cares about her. So, just another side to the same thing Britt is feeling. Yes, the women go on the show willingly so they should know about these things, but then they fall for the guy and all bets are off. Sigh. Don't really want to see her as the bachelorette though. I don't see a huge amount of handsome guys looking for a 29 rapper/comedian with a foul mouth from Canada. Then again, as an old married lady I watch the bachelorette for the eye candy.

 

Still can't stand Kelsey and her insistence that she is smarter than everyone else. She went on this show to promote herself, had no interest in Chris, and she is mad that throngs of people aren't dying to read her upcoming blog.

 

I think Ashley S is totally fake and always thought that. She is putting on a show to draw attention to herself, although I can't understand what she is getting off appearing to be crazy. Jillian improved my opinion of her on the show, I think she is kind of masculine in appearance, but appears to be good people. 

 

Chris, as usual was inarticulate and said nothing of interest. 
 

[MyFangirlLife]

I've been away on vacation an missed so many wonderful chances to watch & post with you all. How dare i go away during Bachelor season, haha. I just caught up and topped it all off with the Women Tell All episode...which is always my favorite. There are just so many opportunities to judge all of the ladies.

And in honor of that I decided to play around with my weekly ratings & ranking of the contestants on my blog...if your interested in how public opinion (or at least the opinion of myself & my local viewing party) changed through the season you can check it out here: TWoS: Women Tell All Bachelor Contestant Ranking Analysis

[Padma]

I've long since wondered if part of Britt's charm for Prince Smarming is something he wasn't allowed to mention: he didn't want to live in Iowa either.  Just a hunch.

I was surprised no one asked her about the 2 hour bedroom "nap". If it had been a b-ette CH disliked, you know he would have made that a focal point of questions, including from other women.

 

I don't like Kelsey, but didn't blame her about the handkerchief. It's ridiculous that they don't have a box (or two) of tissues handy. After all these years, CH knows to expect tears (and sniffles. And a runny nose). Plus, she just asked for a tissue then seemed confused when he handed her his handkerchief. She even asked, "Are you sure? It's silk." I felt kind of bad for her actually, since he didn't give her much choice other than have a runny nose on camera. (Note to future b-ettes: Remember to bring your own tissues!)

[JenE4]

Not to get too off-topic, but this is what production accountants do:

"Production Accountants are responsible for managing finances and maintaining financial records during film or TV production, working closely with the producer and the production office. Their job includes preparing schedules and budgets for film productions, and managing the day to day accounting financial reporting against the budgets."

I don't think it's unreasonable for them to be on site.

 

Thanks for that explanation! That makes sense. You'd need someone in charge of the money on site for things like running out of date cards and needing $5 for a pack of index cards, or food delivery, etc. I was picturing accountants dressed in suits punching numbers into one of those calculators that prints out receipts on wobbly desks in the driveway in the middle of the night. So, I was thinking maybe Ashley was onto something with that betting ring and they just made her look crazy (drugged her perhaps?!?!) so no one would suspect that she was revealing the truth! Maybe that could be the plot for Harrison's follow-up novel.

Edited March 4, 2015 by JenE4

[leighdear]

 

I don't. You'd think by now he'd smarten up and have a box of tissue nearby.

I'm betting that the producers don't let Chris Harrison have a box, nor will they let the ladies provide their own. 

 

A wad of Kleenex dabbed against the eyes is going to prevent the tears from rolling down their faces.  The cameras MUST see the actual tears.  The makeup MUST be in danger of smearing.  Wet faces and hands are proof of the emotional drama.  

I have never seen anybody on this show with a tissue, in all the seasons we've had.  Or even a wad of toilet paper.  It has to be an item banned from the sets.  I think Chris Harrison was surprised at Kelsey's request and couldn't think of a convincing reason to say no on camera.  

 

The women don't wear dresses with pockets and we've never seen any tissue clutched in their hands.  I think it's forbidden.  

Edited March 4, 2015 by leighdear

[mapril228]

Carly annoyed me with her constant interruptions. I think they are setting up Britt to be the next Bachelorette. Kelsey did not redeem herself and Ashley Kardashian came off looking immature as usual.

Chris's laugh, just ugh. What a turn off.

I agree I think the "Women Tell All" episode looked like they were setting up Britt to be the next Bachelorette but yet everyone is saying that

Kaitlyn

is the next bachelorette? Guess we will have to wait and see, also curious if Chris is actually going on Dancing with Stars.

Edited March 4, 2015 by OnceSane
spoilers about the next Bachelorette need spoiler tags

[Andromeda]

Thanks for that explanation! That makes sense. You'd need someone in charge of the money on site for things like running out of date cards and needing $5 for a pack of index cards, or food delivery, etc. I was picturing accountants dressed in suits punching numbers into one of those calculators that prints out receipts on wobbly desks in the driveway in the middle of the night. So, I was thinking maybe Ashley was onto something with that betting ring and they just made her look crazy (drugged her perhaps?!?!) so no one would suspect that she was revealing the truth! Maybe that could be the plot for Harrison's follow-up novel.

Plus the scheduling is a huge part of the job, I'm thinking. Making sure the limos arrive on time (plus paying for the service), travel itineraries, making sure all the date locations are ready for the dates to arrive and their bills paid, making sure the filming crews are at those locations and ready to go on time, etc. All that administrivia that we ignore as viewers.

[ByTor]

Speaking of tissues...loved Andi crying & wiping her nose with her hand, followed by running said hand through her hair. *blergh*

Regarding Jade, a part of me really wonders how much Chris "didn't know" about her past.  Maybe I'm alone in this, but I thought it was odd how he kept bringing up Jade and her values (to the point where I considered making a drinking game out of it) and how similar to his they were. Maybe I'm alone in thinking this, but it looked to me like it was a huge setup for the most dramatic reveal in Bachelor history.

[Padma]

Re: next bachelorette. I remember reading that they'd committed to Arie (so he thought anyway--they'd filmed a backstory, too) but switched to Chris at the last minute. I think till they announce it, they feel okay to change so that's probably true for the next b-ette, too. They may have -indicated- a commitment to one, but since it isn't finalized, are still testing the waters for the other..

 

And as far as Jade goes, her reaction to Chris' blog really confused me. I don't understand why she was so upset with him over it. He said it wasn't the Playboy photos it was that her father and brother continuing to describe her as so wild (something the PB pix might have also indicated, in context of that visit) when all he saw, as we did, was a "well put together, intelligent, well spoken and quiet shy and reserved" young woman.

 

I don't think he was wrong about that. I think there -was- a complete disconnect from the way Jade comes across on this show and how her family described her (as well as online "friends'" descriptions). What was she upset about? It -would- be unnerving to spend time with someone and feel that, maybe, they were really completely different from the way they present themselves to you.

 

If Jade didn't like that he felt that way after the HT, shouldn't she have been upset with her father and brother for misleading him (IF they did)? Why be angry with Chris? That seems like a perfectly normal reaction to me.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Padma

[Mu Shu]

I loved the part where Chris was blathering on to the two semi feral looking brothers about Jade's " Midwestern values", and the stink eye they gave him. Those two boys are about 10x more street smart than Lugnut is, and it's not because their town is bigger. I would have loved seeing a bonding day between Chris and the male members of Jade's family. They would have busted his giggly little farmer Prince ass.

Speaking of Jade, past, present, and future, I just cannot see this hotness. IMO, she either looks plain, pretty-ish, but always like she has a vitamin deficiency. Her skin and eyes look so dead to me.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Mu Shu

[leighdear]

I'll bow to those who know the entertainment biz better than I.  I'm still dubious, as I just can't see them needing financial support or actual money at the mansion.  It's not like they need a few $20 bills to pay the pizza delivery guy, or a $10 to run down to CVS for a bottle of Tylenol.

 

I run a small office.  For routine office expenses, I have a company credit card for paper towels, Sharpies, coffee, etc.  Those receipts I save until the CC statement comes at the end of the month, then I reconcile it.  Travel expenses, shipping, meeting planning is all scheduled in advance, booked online & payments made with the CC, online bill pay or ACH bank transfer.  I don't use cash for anything.  So obviously I'm seeing this solely from my business perspective. 

 

I'm probably over-thinking this, but we all know there is NO spur-of-the-moment activity or spontaneous anything with this show.  It's scheduled, planned and choreographed, organized and orchestrated down to the last detail.  That's why I don't think there is any accounting going on at the mansion.  But again, maybe there absolutely is.  

[Wings]

People who are narcissistic and self-obsessed go to great pains to present themselves in the most attractive light.  And to make sure they always LOOK good. 

 

Britt is not a pretty crier.  She has to know that.  If she were so fake, then why would she be crying so much on camera, knowing she would not look pretty? 

 

Rhetorical question, actually.  

 

 

I think Britt thinks she is a pretty crier!   She only had tears once that I saw when she got the pocket square.  The rest of it was just distorting her face into cry pose and using her voice to give the impression she was breaking up.  Most people instinctively cover their face when they cry.  She made zero effort to do this.  ZERO.  She liked the drama.  She didn't even fake holding tears back!  That is drama class 101. Ya gotta fake holding them back before you "crack."  jeeeeeeeze  

[NikSac]

Still can't stand Kelsey and her insistence that she is smarter than everyone else. She went on this show to promote herself, had no interest in Chris, and she is mad that throngs of people aren't dying to read her upcoming blog.

 

I think Ashley S is totally fake and always thought that. She is putting on a show to draw attention to herself, although I can't understand what she is getting off appearing to be crazy. Jillian improved my opinion of her on the show, I think she is kind of masculine in appearance, but appears to be good people.

 

I totally agree on Kelsey. I forgot all about her blog. Surprised she didn't mention it more, but maybe she did and they edited it out. I must admit some small part of me is tempted to read at least a little of it, just to see if she's still as snobby, self-important, and clueless in the "real world" as she appeared to be on the show.

 

Ashley S. confuses me. I go back and forth between thinking she's acting, high on something, or genuinely having mental issues. My initial thought was some combination of all 3, but I'm never quite sure. I think she likes it that way.

[JudyObscure]

Regarding Jade, a part of me really wonders how much Chris "didn't know" about her past.

I always had a little bit of suspicion about that, too.  It made almost too good  a story to have his sisters pick her as the most wholesome Cinderella type, followed by lots of implications that country bumpkin Farmer Chris wouldn't be able to deal with  such a wild city girl. 

 

The truth is probably not only that there was producer manipulation involved, but that rich, party boy Chris has met a dozen Jades in his life.  He wasn't driving home drunk nineteen times from the Arlington Methodist Church.  Chris  had to be doing his partying in Des Moines or even Chicago for the weekend.  Even small towns usually have a few bars where girls like Natalie tell dirty jokes to prove how much fun they are (and get quickly friend zoned) and girls like Jade think having some nude pictures on a porn site is proof they're the prettiest girl in town, when it really just means they're the only girl in town who was willing to do it.

 

Loved the article about behind the scenes at WTA.  It explains why sometimes everyone looks  shocked or  sad  while someone in the back looks like she's trying not to laugh.

[truthaboutluv]

So after a week, and re-watching some parts on the DVR to confirm I was correct, in my opinion, the most important question from this episode that no one has yet answered is "why in the hell was Kristen Alderson (former-Starr OLTL/General Hospital, Kiki General Hospital) at the show?" That was so random. 

[ReeseDixon]

Britt is the worst. She kept pressing for specific examples, talked over Carly giving them, and then when Carly was actually able to make a list just hung her head back exasperated and said, "So many stories about me!" It's hard work keeping track of all the stories, isn't it Britt! <br /><br />I think she's one of those girls who has little sense of self and conforms to whoever she's dating. It's ridiculous that a non-showering Venice beach hanging free hug giving hippie would want to be an Iowa farmer's wife. It's obvious to everyone but her.

[Wings]

So after a week, and re-watching some parts on the DVR to confirm I was correct, in my opinion, the most important question from this episode that no one has yet answered is "why in the hell was Kristen Alderson (former-Starr OLTL/General Hospital, Kiki General Hospital) at the show?" That was so random. 

 

 

I am always surprised when I hear an actor watches reality tv.  On Watch What Happens Live you see some very big names who watch the housewife shows.  

[chocolatine]

I'm betting that the producers don't let Chris Harrison have a box, nor will they let the ladies provide their own.

 

 

Note to self: If I ever end up on the Bachelor (ha!), stuff a few Kleenex in my bra before going on the WTA.

Edited March 4, 2015 by chocolatine

[Shibori]

I do regretfully give Kelsey credit for one thing- that article about the taping said it lasted six hours- and Kelsey was sitting up the whole time with an uncomfortably ramrod-straight posture. I mean, I'm sure the stick up her ass helped, but I wanted to pop a Flexeril or two just looking at her sitting that way.

[KnoxForPres]

It irritates me that CH was told or really does find onion Ashley worthy of 1:1 talk much less personal BIP invite. When she's on, I'm watching the clock wondering when it will end. Nothing about her entertains me.

Either "Sammy" was so heavily edited we missed the good stuff or she's delusional. Claiming the fake panic attack was the reason for her boot was so poorly played. Wonder if she had just sat there looking gorgeous she could have pulled a Juan Pablo part 2 and won the heart of Bachelor Nation.

Britt having the tearful tete a tete with CH was over the top. She was convinced that when Farmer Chris locked eyes with her, it would all come back Oh how the mighty have fallen. The entire thing proved her leaving was fake and Farmer Chris was supposed to drop to his knees and beat his chest pleading her to stay! When that didn't happen, it's now Carly's fault? Umm, sure.

I thought virgin Ashley looked great.

So when they replayed Kelsey's montage, on 2nd viewing I got such a kick out of her narration. And I am zero percent mocking him, but could there ever be a better name than Sanderson Poe? Her amazing story even involves first/last name must be said together out of a Dickens novel.

I think Kaitlyn is "okay". Several times I thought she looked like Megan Fox so that can't be a bad thing to hear. I hate her fashion choices. Shallow, but I'd likely view her better if I didn't hate her clothes so much. What the fuck was that white garbage she was wearing?

I thought it was hilarious the drunk viewing party couldn't even give poor Farmer Chis his much deserved shot. Twice broken? Come on girls, you had one objective. Also, there was what, maybe 8 to 10 there? It looked like their viewing party was on a 32" Emerson TV circa 2000. Not one of those girls has a better TV for the viewing party? And all that corn at the other! I was thinking there are lots of themes they could have gone for than...corn. Corn salad, corn muffins, corn jerky, lol. Other than that, I'd like to be at that party and want the mom who kissed Farmer Chris as next b'ette if she's single.

[archer1267]

I think Ashley S is totally fake and always thought that. She is putting on a show to draw attention to herself, although I can't understand what she is getting off appearing to be crazy.

 

Even Kelly Killoren Bensimon had her moments of lucidity and common sense on RHONY. I'm suspicious that someone could be that out-there ALL THE TIME. Didn't she say that she was bored and wanted to amuse herself? It definitely made her stand out and get talked about, and maybe that's all she wanted.

 

I personally thought that a little bit of Ashley S. went a long way...fine as part of an ensemble, but I wouldn't watch her on a show that focused on her. And if she wasn't blonde, pretty and thin, I wonder how much of her "zaniness" would be found cute and charming by Chris Harrison.

Edited March 5, 2015 by archer1267

[Jenn252]

Britt talks out of both sides of her mouth. First accusing Chris of letting her go because of what Carly said and then saying that she thinks he would never do that. I am firmly team Carly. She did go a bit overboard but her observations were all true. I wish she would be the Bachelorette. She was frustrated with Britt's lies but was she supposed to cause conflict by being a bitch to her? She did confront her a few times which is why Britt knew it was Carly. If they were supposed good friends she wouldn't have known it was Carly.

Ashley S. seemed like she was acting. She seemed clear eyed and coherent and then you could see her slip into character and her eyes glazed over and she went into wacky mode.

Also almost all sets do have production accountants on set, especially because they film at that location for an extended period of time.