S19.E05: Week 5

[Zahdii]

I couldn't quite get that last sentence.  Did she say "I'm so gonna go home tonight for sure" or "I'm not gonna go home tonight for sure"?

[backformore]

No, it was "I'm going to get a rose tonight, for sure!"

 

 

Said with a smirk, while using the oxygen mask.  And then she laughed.  

Edited February 5, 2015 by backformore

[NikSac]

Listen carefully to what Kelsey says at the end.

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelor/video/most-recent/VDKA0_fygtpc79

 

Are you KIDDING me?!  For those who can't listen, she goes from hysterical on the floor to sitting up joking with the medical staff while she holds the oxygen mask over her face.  She asks to talk to Chris (surprise surprise), then it cuts to her telling the medical person "I'm gonna get a rose tonight for sure" followed by a rather psycho sounding laugh. I suppose we'll see next week if that was some producer/editing manipulation but it sure looked bad.

[Padma]

Are you KIDDING me?!  For those who can't listen, she goes from hysterical on the floor to sitting up joking with the medical staff while she holds the oxygen mask over her face.  She asks to talk to Chris (surprise surprise), then it cuts to her telling the medical person "I'm gonna get a rose tonight for sure" followed by a rather psycho sounding laugh. I suppose we'll see next week if that was some producer/editing manipulation but it sure looked bad.

I can't get it so thanks for the summary. Without seeing it, just from the joking and laughing, I could see that it -might- be innocent. (When I'm embarrassed, as I would certainly be after having a panic attack on camera with medics etc, I might make an ironic joke like that, kind of making light of what just happened then nervously laughing. So that in itself might not mean to me that she was faking.)

 

However, asking for Chris doesn't seem like something you'd do if you were genuinely embarrassed. And that CH and the women apparently didn't take her collapse seriously at all (including CH mentioning her mike being off when she went into the bathroom, but turned back on when she was having her "attack" make it sound pretty fake. But would you really fake a panic attack on camera? I mean, do people have that kind of confidence in their acting skills? I dunno, but with Kelsey it wouldn't surprise me if she has a few, well-practiced "go to" behaviors to manipulate people. Maybe this is one of them.

[betha]

There is some important stuff hidden in those clips. In this one Britt explains (a little) the fear of heights discrepancy... Chris made her "feel safe." Also they discuss the tense discussion and Chris says it is not fun to be criticized, but he's ok with it-- addressing a point people were bringing up. Guess he was worried about how that looked, too.

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelor/video/most-recent/VDKA0_36r7r67o

There is also a good one of Whitney and Chris's alone time, and a hilarious clip of Carly explaining her sex date to the other girls.

Edited February 5, 2015 by betha

[clee39]

I also still like Chris, even if he could stand to work on his posture to combat that "aw shucks" bobblehead-with-a-broken-bobble thing he's got going on. But it doesn't really matter who he is or what he says. Kelsey was wrong; this is not a show about Chris. The actual Bachelor is incidental. They probably could use a mannequin (or, if they really like the farmer thing, a scarecrow) and I'd still watch to see 20 women make themselves crazy trying to date it. This season has been pretty amazing.

Also, can we just stop with the whispered "hi" after a kiss? Please, Kelsey? It makes my skin crawl.

[betha]

This is just so brave and amazing.

Moved to Sarasota, Florida two weeks after graduating high school. Alone. With only $1,000 to her name.

She graduated high school in 2004 and graduated USF in 2009. However did you survive that year of living on the rough streets of Sarasota, Fl, working at Starbucks, before you started college??? Teach us, Kelsey!

[Lamb18]

 

Yes, Britt was shown hosing the dirt off herself with the other girls.

 

Maybe that was her most recent shower.

Re Kelsey's Imdb bio - I felt a little sorry for her after reading it because it seemed pathetic. Any acting/entertainment professional would laugh at it. Most of the info on it is no good for a normal resume, much less one in the entertainment industry.

[leighdear]

What was meant by the comment that Kelsey's pumps still look great?

This has stupidly and irrationally been bothering me.  Is it possible that moment on the couch with Britt and Kelsey actually happened AFTER she was sprawled out on the floor, flopping around like a fish?  Could Britt's question have meant something like "Even after scraping across those rough tiles, your shoes still look fine". 

 

Or maybe it was as mundane as Kelsey seeing some damage to the surface of her black shoe and taking a Sharpie marker to it to hide the wear.  Dunno why I actually care.  *LOL*

[Bugs Meany]

The Bachelor page on abc.com is great for video clips (especially the deleted scenes), and they never mention it. A simple "Go to abc.com for deleted scenes and more!" would suffice. Weird.

[ramble]

Was Ashley's dress on the group date a rejected ice skating costume from the thrift store? It was so short I was expecting permanent black bars. Her eye lashes make my eyes ache. They look so heavy & clumpy I don't know how she keeps her eyes open.

The sex guru was bad & not even funny bad, just lame & uncomfortable. I can't believe TPTB thought that was a good idea, even if it was supposed to be funny. Intimacy, by it's very nature, isn't going to include a camera crew & some random chick telling you how to force that intimacy. It felt like an intro to bad homemade porn.

I don't know if Britt showers or takes baths or just uses a washcloth to wipe herself down once a quarter. I don't really care, but sleeping in makeup simply grosses me out. When Chris woke her up her makeup was smudged enough for me to believe she sleeps in it. Yuck. Even if she washed her face the next night, unless she got a clean pillow case, she's sleeping on that makeup again. It's so bad for you skin. I feel like she's auditioning for the B'ette & I get that a lot of the girls may be, but something in the way she's doing it feels much more obvious to me.

[FamilyVan]

This is what I think - I think that most of these girls shower multiple times a day.  They probably shower in the morning and then shower again before their date or nighttime activity/cocktail party.  I bet Brit does not do this routine and the original person that started this rumor was using hyperbole.  With that long color treated hair she really should not be shampooing it every day, and probably ties it up and showers off without washing her hair.  But I am sure she is cleaned up regularly or they would be saying she smells.

[NikSac]

I can't get it so thanks for the summary. Without seeing it, just from the joking and laughing, I could see that it -might- be innocent. (When I'm embarrassed, as I would certainly be after having a panic attack on camera with medics etc, I might make an ironic joke like that, kind of making light of what just happened then nervously laughing. So that in itself might not mean to me that she was faking.)

 

However, asking for Chris doesn't seem like something you'd do if you were genuinely embarrassed. And that CH and the women apparently didn't take her collapse seriously at all (including CH mentioning her mike being off when she went into the bathroom, but turned back on when she was having her "attack" make it sound pretty fake. But would you really fake a panic attack on camera? I mean, do people have that kind of confidence in their acting skills? I dunno, but with Kelsey it wouldn't surprise me if she has a few, well-practiced "go to" behaviors to manipulate people. Maybe this is one of them.

 

Yeah, I'm curious to see it when the episode airs. To me her laugh in the sneak preview clip after she said she was going to get a rose tonight "for sure" did not sound like a nervous laugh. The best way I can describe it is it sounded like "ohhh yeah this is so gonna work."

 

I know everyone's different but I've never had a panic attack quite like Kelsey's, nor have I seen anyone have an attack like hers based on what they've shown so far. The first time it happened to me I was at a hair salon of all places, and I had no idea what was going on - neither did they but they called 911. In the ambulance I got calm enough to laugh nervously a couple of times (like when the paramedic asked "did you really hate your haircut?"), but never all that calm and it certainly wasn't like flipping a switch on and off the way Kelsey seems to. Could be editing though... we'll see next week I guess.

 

That video clip of Carly explaining the love guru date is hysterical! I was expecting the other women to look jealous, but instead it looked like they were having fun with it. It was nice to see them just cracking up about it together.

[ByTor]

This is what I think - I think that most of these girls shower multiple times a day.  They probably shower in the morning and then shower again before their date or nighttime activity/cocktail party.  I bet Brit does not do this routine and the original person that started this rumor was using hyperbole. 

I agree.  I think Britt either overheard someone talking about her, or someone told her the rumor is that she never showers, & she sarcastically said "I might even shower" with regard to going on a date with Chris.

Edited February 5, 2015 by ByTor

[Rainsong]

 

The whole return of Jordan scene really highlighted the difference in how Ashley sees this experience vs. someone like Whitney - Ashley is viewing this completely like a game, a competition that she has to win, rather than seeking a potential husband.

 

Either Jordan did something impulsive with no plan or objective or the producers requested it, perhaps crossed her palm with silver, and she agreed.

 

Kacie B was a lightning rod of controversy in a past season but didn't she return after dismissal very determined to maximize her second chance?

 

Ashley is insecure.  Period.  It explains the over-the-top makeup and lashes (contrasted with her pre-Bachelor look visible via a web search), the jealousy and the constant score-keeping.  There have been dozens like her tromping through this show and they all repel the Bachelor with their cattiness and inability to be authentic.

 

I would say that Whitney is also very much a game-planner.  She is not stupid.  In fact, it's fascinating to watch how much her job, its role, its daily activities, are informing her actions and attitudes on The Bachelor.  She is around people every day in various stages of despair, panic, nerves, etc. over the ticking of the biological clock - it has to rub off to some degree.  Out of necessity, she reduces biology, anatomy, physiology and intimacy to very cold, regimented, scientific steps....literally taking all the fun out of it.

 

I, for one, can see the gears turning in her head every time a challenge - planned or otherwise - arises.  The eyes narrow slightly and the Mona Lisa smile appears.  Jordan was no threat drunk or sober but if it took Jordan having an 'accident' by falling off a balcony Whitney was prepared to act.  As it was, Whitney's words practically dripped with poison as she explained their reactions to Jordan's return.

 

The irony is that Whitney probably can and will fall for Chris and vice versa.  I have no spoiler knowledge but I'm getting that vibe especially given the competition, now that the nearest contenders are starting to show some alarming flaws.  Whitney's job would travel just about anywhere and could even be put on hold while they try to make a go of it.  Many previous Bachelors have attempted to give it the flexible, anything-goes good-guy routine when in reality they secretly had a very set notion of what they were seeking.  Not puppy dog Chris.  He is looking (desperately) to be led around by the nose.  I think Whitney knows this and I think she relishes the prospect.  She's certainly got the experience and, I imagine, the command tone of voice:  'YOU!  Take this and march into the bathroom and give me a sample!  You have 10 minutes!' Whitney is announcing to Chris that 'the feelings are real to me' as if she's reading him yesterday's corn market prices.

 

I also think she's prepared to take the appropriate measures to eliminate the competition while adhering to the Southern female code of the victim remaining unaware of the assassin's identity.  Contrast this with Jersey Girl's full-frontal assault.  Ashley is such a cultural mismatch with Chris they might as well be speaking different languages.

Edited February 5, 2015 by Rainsong

[gingerandcloves]

Chiming in to say that I think Kelsey's "panic attack" was an act. I've had panic attacks myself and they never involved me lying on the floor in hysterics. Also, when you have a panic attack and are hyperventilating, the treatment is not oxygen - it's the reverse. You need carbon dioxide, i.e. breathing into a paper bag. So Kelsey recovering so quickly after being treated with oxygen reads completely fake to me. Also, asking for Chris - what? Really, you want the guy to see you after you've been sobbing and lying on the floor? I would feel the complete opposite - don't let him see me and don't let him know I've been freaking out. Kelsey is a wackjob.

[Bugs Meany]

Either Jordan did something impulsive with no plan or objective or the producers requested it, perhaps crossed her palm with silver, and she agreed.

 

RS said it was her own idea, which makes sense. Even though I fell in love with her, Chris did not. Not at all. If they were going to stage a party-crashing, they would have chosen a girl he'd actually consider keeping over one of the incumbents. (No one comes to mind yet, so they would have waited an episode or two.)

 

[NikSac]

Chiming in to say that I think Kelsey's "panic attack" was an act. I've had panic attacks myself and they never involved me lying on the floor in hysterics. Also, when you have a panic attack and are hyperventilating, the treatment is not oxygen - it's the reverse. You need carbon dioxide, i.e. breathing into a paper bag. So Kelsey recovering so quickly after being treated with oxygen reads completely fake to me. Also, asking for Chris - what? Really, you want the guy to see you after you've been sobbing and lying on the floor? I would feel the complete opposite - don't let him see me and don't let him know I've been freaking out. Kelsey is a wackjob.

 

re: the bolded yes, I forgot to mention this! In my case they were treating me with oxygen at first in the ambulance when they were trying to figure out what was going on, and my symptoms got worse. All of my muscles locked up, so I could kind of see the falling on the floor part, but the oxygen made it even worse. It didn't get better until they held a bag over my face and gave me breathing instructions. I really didn't understand how giving Kelsey oxygen was going to improve the situation if it was in fact a panic attack.  (granted I'm not a doctor so maybe some attacks are treated differently?)

[ramble]

Chiming in to say that I think Kelsey's "panic attack" was an act.

I think Kelsey's attack may be better characterized as a fame whore or camera hog attack.

[ByTor]

Whitney the nurse didn't appear too concerned, and I would imagine she'd rush over if she had a hint that it was real.

[Shugardrawers]

I wonder if Britt spends a LOT of time in the pool?  If so, the high levels of chlorine can certainly make you *feel* clean (not that I condone that as a method of personal hygiene).  I'm just thinking there's something we aren't being told such as:  she BATHES daily in some form or she swims daily and that makes her feel and smell clean.  As others have pointed out...you can't go that long without bathing in some manner and have people NOT complain of your smell.  Especially the bachelor you just spent a 2 hour "nap" with!

[Padma]

Whitney the nurse didn't appear too concerned, and I would imagine she'd rush over if she had a hint that it was real.

That's a good point (and, in a calculating way, it would make Whitney look good, too, so caring and competent.) The women's reactions tells me the most. So far, I think they've signaled the fakes pretty well.

 

As for panic attacks, yes that's pretty weird. I've never had one, but was with someone who did and it's carbon dioxide they need not oxygen, just like was said above. I've seen seizures that looked like Kelsey's but never panic attacks.

 

Also persistently weird about her is that I don't think she correctly remembered what her husband died of. If it was Congestive Heart Failure, I'd be very surprised because that's just not something that suddenly shows up "one day" and kills you. There are symptoms as your heart gradually gets weaker over time. I just got a funny feeling from her that she was having trouble remembering--and then got it wrong. Weird.

 

Jordan interviewed that it was all her idea to try to get a second chance and she paid for everything herself. Mentioning Kacie B...didn't she wind up on Bachelor Pad? Jordan would never have a second chance after being eliminated so quickly. Now, she might generate enough interest to be included in some future, tacky, TB spin-off like that or "B in Paradise". If that's what she wants, her 15 minutes probably isn't over. (Kelsey, too, will surely show up again on something, building that amazing IMDB resume some more.)

[chocolatine]

Mentioning Kacie B...didn't she wind up on Bachelor Pad?

 

 

No, she ended up on Sean's Bachelor season but only lasted two or three episodes.

[Soobs]

I could actually picture Carly living on a farm in Iowa. She seemed more chill than most of the other women. That is until she told the story about her boyfriend not touching her for years. I hate that there are never follow up questions to these types of revelations, like why did she stay with him for so long? I guess she thought she didn't deserve more or something... I know this show is pretty ridiculious but all the women seem way to young or way to crazy to live an isolated life on a farm with the obligations and responsibilties that come with that. When Chris said he was worried that the woman he chose wouldn't stay, that seemed like the first legit thing that's been said by anyone this season!

 

I thought Kelsey was putting on an act for the cameras (maybe at the request of the producers even) but idk, she may be off her nut for real. I wonder if Austin PD is giving her some side eye. And also how she will go back to being a guidance counselor after seeming so unhinged?! Come to think of it though, one of the counselors at my high school actually did murder his wife!

[CrazyDog]

I don't really see Whitney as cold, or calculating, though I've seen a few people refer to her that way. I think she's just more mature and reserved than the other women, and less crazy, frankly. I would like to see more of her time with Chris though. And actually seeing real conversations between Chris and any of the women would be nice, instead of just "hi", "missed you" and then making out for the rest of their time together.

 

I didn't think much about Carly before this last episode, but she handled that "date" well. What a horrible position to be put in, on camera. I was uncomfortable just watching it. It made the wedding dress mud runs and bikini tractor deals seem semi-sane.

 

Kelsey...what a loon. I can understand her overcoming a tragedy, but I've never met anyone who would discuss the death of their spouse and smile like that. I don't see what editing has to do with how she presented her story and used it to manipulate the situation. She's totally bizarre. She and Onion Girl should get a buddy show together.

[NikSac]

I thought Kelsey was putting on an act for the cameras (maybe at the request of the producers even) but idk, she may be off her nut for real. I wonder if Austin PD is giving her some side eye. And also how she will go back to being a guidance counselor after seeming so unhinged?! Come to think of it though, one of the counselors at my high school actually did murder his wife!

 

I thought so at first too, but that whole "MY husband died isn't MY story AMAZING? What did he die of?  Um I'm not sure, some heart thing, but let's get back to ME. It's MY STORY! ALL ABOUT ME, ME, ME!  It's AMAZING!" followed by "let's make out so MY story with Chris can be AMAZING and documented on teevee!" What?!?  I can see the producers facilitating the idea she should go talk to him and telling her what room he was in, but the rest seemed like it was all her. Followed by what I'm pretty convinced was a fake or at least exaggerated panic attack (we'll see how it looks next week, of course).

 

I thought it was interesting watching the ABC clips linked earlier (here: http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelor/video) that there was quite a bit more of Chris <gasp> talking to his dates. Nothing that deep, but it was more than hi, let's make out. I wish they'd include more of that in the actual show instead of just having it in the online outtakes.

 

On a separate note, CrazyDog I agree with you about Whitney, I think she just seems way more mature and reserved.

[atlanticslide]

Okay. What did Britt actually say when she was talking with Carly pre-date? I'd have to watch again, but I think she said "I should probably wash my hair," NOT "I should probably take a shower."

 

Maybe the issue is that, as others have suggested, she doesn't wash her hair that frequently - so she showers regularly, but only washes her hair once a week or every couple of weeks, and the other women, seeing that her hair is never wet, assume that she's not bathing at all. Some people forget that not everyone washes their hair every time they take a shower, and so assume that if your hair is never wet then you must not be showering ever.

[GracieK]

She definitely said I have to wash my hair but also made a joke about how she hadn't showered. I think it's obviously some joke we aren't fully in on yet. I only wash my hair a couple times a week but I shower everyday by either tying it up or using a shower cap. I think Carly joked with her further that she should shave her legs which I'm sure she has been with all the bikini wearing and poolside activities.

[Armchair Critic]

Can you imagine living with Kelsey in a small town (or most of these women for that matter)? I'm sure most of the people that live by Chris are not going to be into the Me Me Meee drama. It is realistic for Chris to be worried that somebody may get bored and leave.

[Lamb18]

I wonder if Kelsey meant cardiac arrest. It seems more likely if he just fell over dead (poor guy).

[pitchy]

 

I thought it was interesting watching the ABC clips linked earlier (here: http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelor/video) that there was quite a bit more of Chris <gasp> talking to his dates. Nothing that deep, but it was more than hi, let's make out. I wish they'd include more of that in the actual show instead of just having it in the online outtakes.

 

Considering how long, tedious and boring so much of their shows are, I don't understand why they don't use more of these clips, which seem much more interesting to me than what we see on the show.  Do they think we just want the contrived clashes or endless footage of the insipid Ashley-I ?   Are they thinking we prefer to watch really the dumbest moments they can find?  

[kira28]

I think Kelsey knew she was going home and she had to make a dramatic exit. Either that or try to make Chris feel sorry for her and let her stay so she can extend her tv time. [snip] She doesn't seem like a grieving widow to me. I understand that people grieve in different ways (see Juelia) but Kelsey seems  downright gleeful that her husband dropped dead because now she has this FABULOUS story to tell everyone. I've been more upset over a pet dying than Kelsey seems to be over her life partner passing away.

 

I'm starting to think that the only women actually interested in Chris are Carly and Whitney.. maybe Jade or Becca? Megan is in la la land and I don't even think she knows where she is half the time, Ashley I just wants to win! She has no concept of farm life. She wants princess dates and tons of attention. Not going to happen in Iowa honey.  McKenzie is just there so she's not stuck at home watching her parents take care of Kale. IMO she's one of those "teen" moms whose parents are basically raising the baby because she doesn't seem to miss him or even remember she has a kid aside from her disappointment that she can't use the "i'm a virgin" story that Ashley I came up with.   I don't think we've seen Samantha even speak to Chris yet and we know Kelsey is there to promote her story.  I think Kaitlynn likes Chris but doesn't seem to have much chemistry with him and I don't see her moving to Iowa either. I think she's just having fun with the other girls and hanging out.  in the extras on ABC.com  Whitney told Chris she missed him and didn't want to talk about Jordan being there. He seemed genuinely touched by that and relieved he didn't have to listen to yet another woman express her anger about Jordan coming back. I think he's falling for Whitney because he seems the most at ease around her and expresses himself more than he does with any of the others. I think he wants to bang Britt but knows she wouldn't be farm wife material.

 

IMO Carly wasn't really interested in him until their weird one on one date and now she feels they bonded and since he's the first guy who has touched her since her gay ex boyfriend she is suddenly attached to him. I can see her living on a farm in Iowa but I don't see Chris being interested in her. I think he looks at her like a cute little sister.

 

One thing I found interesting in the extra clips is when they were discussing (and laughing) over Carly's uncomfortable date and one of the girl's said now that's the type of date you would enjoy or that's your thing or something along those lines and they pointed to Jade and Jade herself and the other girls agreed it was Jade's type of date. Do the ladies know something we don't? Isn't Jade pegged as the sweet Disney princess one?  Hell I think Ashley I would be all over that date.

Edited February 7, 2015 by Rhondinella

[Rainsong]

Can you imagine living with Kelsey in a small town (or most of these women for that matter)? I'm sure most of the people that live by Chris are not going to be into the Me Me Meee drama. It is realistic for Chris to be worried that somebody may get bored and leave.

 

Quite so.  Of all the Bachelors, he has an additional burden:  selling himself and selling the concept of leaving big city or even suburban life for a long time - perhaps forever.  I don't dislike the poor guy but he is failing miserably in both categories.  I think some Bachelors and Bachelorettes thrive as one competitor among many but despite the inevitable groundswell of support for the plucky also-ran (e.g. Desiree), when they become the prey instead of a member of the pack they aren't always up to the task.

[deSchenke]

Regarding the awful "Love Guru" date that Carly had, I think TPTB dream up these dates so they have footage for previews.  Snippets of naked, fondling bodies in the previews leads to all sorts of speculation and a ratings boost.  Like the stupid promo shots they did for pet adoption (I think) where the ladies were scantily dressed, if dressed at all.

 

Because as real dates, these kind of things really suck.

[Bugs Meany]

Snippets of naked, fondling bodies in the previews leads to all sorts of speculation and a ratings boost.

 

I sort of agree...but let's be honest: to catch our eyes with that shot of a woman's face moaning, they should/would have chosen Britt or Jade.

[Shibori]

Taking everything we know so far about Kelsey- her behavior on this episode, the bizarre obituary, her under-construction-until-March website that's all about "her story."  I'm thinking she came in thinking everyone was going to be so bowled over by her "story" and her triumph over adversity by finding love again that there's no way she could lose.  In that scenario, she wouldn't need to go back to her school job, because she'd become the next Elizabeth Gilbert, inspiring women everywhere to live their lives to the fullest.  She was clearly strategic in wanting to deploy her secret weapon- her story- until the right time, not just on the first day.  And the obituary suggests her narcissism didn't just appear as a grief mechanism.

 

From her IMDB, which she clearly wrote herself:

By day a school counselor, by night an advocating blogger, Kelsey Poe creates a paradoxical world by expanding her horizons. Kelsey's personal story is as dynamic as her personality. Having lost her spouse at age 27, Kelsey pursues a platform to promote advocacy for the bereaved. She pushes the "life" agenda: every day should be about challenging oneself to become better, connecting with other people, and saying yes to adventure. Her next journey is appearing on a network television program to try her hand at finding love again.

 

[Mu Shu]

I'm rather pissed and perplexed as to why they threw Britt under the bus with stinky gate. Something must have happened with her, because she's money in the bank presented as a hot chick. I wonder if they took her out of the running for the B ette and ended up with Carly? They best do some better editing and a major makeover, then.

[Lamb18]

Maybe that will be the hook for Britt as next Bachelorette - will she clean herself? Can a woman find true love without showering? What kind of man will it take to look through the superficial layers of grime to see her true inner beauty? Maybe the rose ceremonies will take place in a bubble bath. But promos of Britt in a bubble bath or her silhouette in the shower might draw in some male viewers.

[Stella MD]

I wish I could see this hot woman that everyone keeps talking about. To me, Britt looks about average for this show, and frankly even a little cheap with the ombre, plastic baubles, and funny lipstick. To each his own, I guess.

[backformore]

Taking everything we know so far about Kelsey- her behavior on this episode, the bizarre obituary, her under-construction-until-March website that's all about "her story."  I'm thinking she came in thinking everyone was going to be so bowled over by her "story" and her triumph over adversity by finding love again that there's no way she could lose.  In that scenario, she wouldn't need to go back to her school job, because she'd become the next Elizabeth Gilbert, inspiring women everywhere to live their lives to the fullest.  She was clearly strategic in wanting to deploy her secret weapon- her story- until the right time, not just on the first day.  And the obituary suggests her narcissism didn't just appear as a grief mechanism.

 :

Yes, her IMDB bio says she "creates a paradoxical world". Because she's a counselor, AND a blogger, AND she jogs! All while being a widow! She promotes "advocacy for the bereaved" . I think that means an online support forum for widows? Ok, where's the paradox? We all have room in our lives for more than one thing. Is it paradoxical that in addition to working my job, I also post on a forum about tv shows? AND I work out! Sometimes bake! Drive an elderly relative to the doctor! And in my spare time, I shovel snow off my driveway! I love my story, it's amazing!

[Stella MD]

I think the "paradoxical world" reflects the fact that she is employed (for now, anyway) as a mental health professional but is in fact herself batshit crazy. Quite a paradox.

[GracieK]

Yes, her IMDB bio says she "creates a paradoxical world". Because she's a counselor, AND a blogger, AND she jogs! All while being a widow! She promotes "advocacy for the bereaved" . I think that means an online support forum for widows? Ok, where's the paradox? We all have room in our lives for more than one thing. Is it paradoxical that in addition to working my job, I also post on a forum about tv shows? AND I work out! Sometimes bake! Drive an elderly relative to the doctor! And in my spare time, I shovel snow off my driveway! I love my story, it's amazing!

 

I hate to sound like the ole "you young whippersnappers"... I myself am 37, but I feel like so much of this is how the younger generation is being brought up to believe that EVERYTHING about them is special and praiseworthy and meriting of a trophy.  It's becoming a self centered generation with constant praise and "likes" on social media over the most mundane of happenings...  with little in the way of humility.

[leighdear]

Kelsey's Facebook page says, in response to the Net nasties "Insinuating that I would dishonor my husband is ripping the scab off an unhealed wound. The pain is tortuous.”

 

Really?  So she's still in tortuous pain and unhealed?  And yet she's supposedly "trying her hand at love again"?  There's ANOTHER damn paradox!  Hey, they're everywhere! 

 

My bet is that "tortuous pain" is from being embarrassingly unmasked as a self-obsessed narcissist.
 

Edited February 6, 2015 by leighdear

[Padma]

She has such an unnatural way of talking about death and grief, even when she's relying on clichés it just sounds as emotionless as she seemed on the show.

 

I like Stella MD's explanation of her paradoxical life: "a mental health professional who is batshit crazy".  And I'm still curious what her husband died from.  Sudden "congestive heart failure" makes no sense.

[CalamityBoPeep]

Taking everything we know so far about Kelsey- her behavior on this episode, the bizarre obituary, her under-construction-until-March website that's all about "her story."  I'm thinking she came in thinking everyone was going to be so bowled over by her "story" and her triumph over adversity by finding love again that there's no way she could lose.  In that scenario, she wouldn't need to go back to her school job, because she'd become the next Elizabeth Gilbert, inspiring women everywhere to live their lives to the fullest.  She was clearly strategic in wanting to deploy her secret weapon- her story- until the right time, not just on the first day.  And the obituary suggests her narcissism didn't just appear as a grief mechanism.

 

From her IMDB, which she clearly wrote herself:

 

By day a school counselor, by night an advocating blogger, Kelsey Poe creates a paradoxical world by expanding her horizons. Kelsey's personal story is as dynamic as her personality. Having lost her spouse at age 27, Kelsey pursues a platform to promote advocacy for the bereaved. She pushes the "life" agenda: every day should be about challenging oneself to become better, connecting with other people, and saying yes to adventure. Her next journey is appearing on a network television program to try her hand at finding love again.

 

 

Because what every person in the grip of grief needs is oh-so-amazing-Kelsey... advocating for them.  

 

Sick.

 

I am creating a paradoxical world by being a generally peaceful person who'd like to dump cold water on her head, yelling "Snap out of it!" 

[FamilyVan]

I just rewatched the scene with Kelsey where she goes to his room.  Yes I have no life.

 

They have like no connection whatsoever.  When they kiss it is just pecks no tongue, no passion.  Then when they pull back he says "Thank you for coming here.  Shall we?" He gives the cue like it's time to leave.  HJNIY

[KnoxForPres]

Much like Emily (who I liked), Kelsey tells her amazing story the same way each time. "It was a beautiful day and he was walking to work...." I've been fortunate to not have lost a spouse or fiancé (having one first would a requirement, heh) so I'm not judging the story, but I'd be aware on camera I verbatim said it the same way multiple times. Like when you're telling a friend a story and the brain goes "shit, I've told her this already".

How in the fuck could she not know what he died of?

[snip]

As always, I question whether it was the pinot grigio or real on Mondays, but damn it I liked Carly. I was buying what she was selling. She physically looked like Jane K as said here plus I got some Anna Farris vibes. Somehow I believed her amazing story instead of being my cold, cynical bachelor self.

I'm a few years older than Whitney and I find her maturity annoying. Her golden rule bullshit, while admirable, reads fake to me. I'm with Rainsong on this one. I like Kaitlyn. She's the good mix of fun and not an idiot (yet).

I've said it before, but will echo the previous poster, Britt isn't beautiful to me either. I mean, yes, she's atteactive, but doesn't have that "it factor" at all for me.

I can't remember which episode (pinot) but I saw a gorgeous brunette with light eyes. Who the hell was she? I'm fairly certain I've never seen her talk before. Dude, Chris, from a hetero girl here, get on that!

Edited February 7, 2015 by Rhondinella

[Mabinogia]

I can't remember which episode (pinot) but I saw a gorgeous brunette with light eyes. Who the hell was she? I'm fairly certain I've never seen her talk before. Dude, Chris, from a hetero girl here, get on that!

 

 

I think that is the mythical Samantha I have heard mentioned on the boards. I do wish that Chris would at least get on talking to that at the very least. Poor girl has gotten like ten seconds of airtime, and has barely spoken that I can recall. Guess she's not a virgin, or a widow, or so repulsive no man will touch her. Poor, normal girl. With no "amazing story" she doesn't stand a chance.

Edited February 7, 2015 by Mabinogia

[KnoxForPres]

I think that is the mythical Samantha I have heard mentioned on the boards. I do wish that Chris would at least get on talking to that at the very least. Poor girl has gotten like ten seconds of airtime, and has barely spoken that I can recall. Guess she's not a virgin, or a widow, or so repulsive no man will touch her. Poor, normal girl. With no "amazing story" she doesn't stand a chance.

I guess so! So her name is Samantha. Hope she gets some screen time.

In non Bachelor life, unless I'm just a bitch, the reverse is true. I remember in early 20s dating a guy who told me his mom would leave and he at one point ate dehydrated strawberries from a cake mix (the hell?). While sad, I was like I have to get rid of him, and fast. Maybe the sad people in life meet their kindred spirits? Just tell their amazing stories to each other? Bonus if there was a death, but you can't remember why. But what it did to ME! And I survived! Sanderson Poe died, but I did not, I'm essentially Jesus and Buddha together because I have paddle boarded and vomited my ego on all I've met. My name is Kelsey and I am fucking amazing.

[snip]

Edited February 7, 2015 by Rhondinella

[Rhondinella]

Hey everyone, let's be cautious about accusing someone of murder (i.e., Kelsey) when there is no kind of proof of that whatsoever, even if it's done in jest, as I think it was at first.   It's getting out of hand and bordering on (or crossed into) libel territory.  I will edit and/or delete any posts that do this without notice.  Thanks.

 

Edited to add:  Wishing death on someone, no matter how crazy, should be avoided also.