ichbin July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 1:34 AM, chlban said: I have no doubt Eboni will turn it into a big racial issue. Expand So, same as now then. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6894719
snarts July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 1:18 AM, 65mickey said: I can't believe that Eboni even as arrogant as she comes across is stupid enough to demand that anyone be demoted on this show. Andy is a big fan of Leah but she is not Bethenny, and if he is convinced that she is dragging the ratings down he may have to cut her loose. Eboni will not be fired this year. If she wants to stay she will gt another year I believe unless she refuses to rein in the race and political lectures. Sonja better watch herself. Andy always referred to Dorinda as a fan favorite and look what happened to her. Whoever is responsible for the casting this year needs to be fired. Expand Well, she is arrogant enough to talk to TMZ and blame production for the ratings decline: Eboni tells TMZ she shouldn't be the scapegoat for a declining TV audience just because she doesn't make final cut decisions about what ends up airing ... but the producers do There's clearly a rift growing, as Eboni says she feels demonized by some of the 'housewives' and some viewers. She adds ... if some of her castmates didn't show up for shoots with microaggression, there wouldn't be a need for the constant race discussions. Yeah, that's smart, blame production. I'm sure they'll love that. 16 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6894852
Boo Boo July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2021 at 12:59 PM, RedDelicious said: I’m surprised Eboni hasn’t been making appearances with Al Sharpton. It would be worth it just to hear KKB say “Al Sharpton!!” and actually be right. Expand I laughed out loud. Literally! On 7/15/2021 at 10:02 PM, snarts said: Well, she is arrogant enough to talk to TMZ and blame production for the ratings decline: Eboni tells TMZ she shouldn't be the scapegoat for a declining TV audience just because she doesn't make final cut decisions about what ends up airing ... but the producers do There's clearly a rift growing, as Eboni says she feels demonized by some of the 'housewives' and some viewers. She adds ... if some of her castmates didn't show up for shoots with microaggression, there wouldn't be a need for the constant race discussions. Yeah, that's smart, blame production. I'm sure they'll love that. Expand But the optics of firing the first black RHONY cast member whose first season involved educating white women (I mean supremacists) would not be good, so I would think they'd give her another season at least. And I'd bet that season we'd see fun Kiki so she can redeem herself from the preachy unfun Eboni. Or maybe we'll get lucky and she'll quit on her own. I will miss her boobies though. Edited July 15, 2021 by Boo Boo 2 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6894854
ichbin July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2021 at 10:02 PM, snarts said: Well, she is arrogant enough to talk to TMZ and blame production for the ratings decline: Eboni tells TMZ she shouldn't be the scapegoat for a declining TV audience just because she doesn't make final cut decisions about what ends up airing ... but the producers do There's clearly a rift growing, as Eboni says she feels demonized by some of the 'housewives' and some viewers. She adds ... if some of her castmates didn't show up for shoots with microaggression, there wouldn't be a need for the constant race discussions. Expand Have you seen the update to add this from her instagram feed? "These deranged bigots are just mad AF that their days of dominance are coming to an end." https://www.instagram.com/p/CRXSd8kBm_L/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link At least she seems to be admitting to an agenda as well as her opinion of the show she chose to join. *Edited to add: Since I wrote the above based on the referenced article I have since discovered that Crystal (RHoBH) shared a nasty, racist post addressed to her. It is possible that Eboni's instagram post was in reference to that. The article made it appear like Eboni's post was in reference to the issues going on with RHoNY. So only fair to consider there may be another way to view this. Edited July 16, 2021 by ichbin Added last paragraph 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6894952
Feech July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 The deranged bigots she refers to is the audience. They sense that she feels this way and they are staying away in droves. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895005
SweetieDarling July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2021 at 10:02 PM, snarts said: Yeah, that's smart, blame production. I'm sure they'll love that. Expand I thought she said she watched this show? Shouldn't she know that blaming production for how you are perceived by the viewers is the oldest, lamest excuse? ETA: It's also not a very good move, strategically, if you plan to return next season, especially when you're the newbie. Edited July 15, 2021 by SweetieDarling no apostrophe 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895009
emmawoodhouse July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 11:27 PM, SweetieDarling said: I thought she said she watched this show? Shouldn't she know that blaming production for how you are perceived by the viewer's is the oldest, lamest excuse? ETA: It's also not a very good move, strategically, if you plan to return next season, especially when you're the newbie. Expand She seems to be shooting her wad now. If anyone in production sees the articles or that IG post, she's good as one and done. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895021
Feech July 15, 2021 Share July 15, 2021 Eboni must be fired. Anything else would be the soft bigotry of low expectations. She is entitled to exactly the same treatment as if she bedazzled vaginas or had one leg and a creepy father. No more…no less. She has directly and almost single handedly drove ratings down to their lowest point ever due to her behavior and effect on the cast and the audience. Along with her wing woman Leah she needs to go. 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895063
snarts July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 11:34 PM, emmawoodhouse said: She seems to be shooting her wad now. If anyone in production sees the articles or that IG post, she's good as one and done. Expand Oh, they've seen it... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9792773/amp/RHONYs-Eboni-Williams-causes-outrage-scenes-blaming-production-poor-ratings.html 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895152
Maximona July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 12:20 AM, Boo Boo said: But would they fire Eboni after one season? Fire the first black castmember or would they give her a redemption season? Expand They can't fire Eboni. She'd howl racism. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895158
Stats Queen July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 12:46 AM, Maximona said: They can't fire Eboni. She'd howl racism. Expand Well, she will probably holler that no matter what happens, keep her, fire her, add 4 new housewives of color… These same viewers she is calling name are how she gets a paycheck. The majority of these viewers watch several of the RH franchises and they seem to like Garcelle and like RHOA and RHOP. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895231
Jextella July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 On 7/13/2021 at 5:46 PM, Cosmocrush said: But as Wendy (Williams) said this morning, Ramona is young! Not so much in numbers but in energy/behavior. I just heard about this and I'm bummed. I've watching RHONY since day one, it's always been my favorite but I'm out with Ramona. Sadly, I think in my fifties I'm aging out of the Bravo preferred demo so it's not really going to matter if I quit. Expand I think I've turned that same corner. I'm just not as interested or as entertained as I was in younger years. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895259
Hiyo July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 (edited) Quote Since I wrote the above based on the referenced article I have since discovered that Crystal (RHoBH) shared a nasty, racist post addressed to her. It is possible that Eboni's instagram post was in reference to that. The article made it appear like Eboni's post was in reference to the issues going on with RHoNY. So only fair to consider there may be another way to view this. Expand Yes, she posted the same comment on Crystal's IG post. https://www.instagram.com/p/CRXFnO5pG0z/?hl=en Edited July 16, 2021 by Hiyo 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895643
pasdetrois July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 Realistically, I think Leah's crass antics are contributing to the low ratings. She and Eboni together, supplemented by all the women's shrieking and flailing, are driving down viewership. I particularly cannot tolerate high-pitched screeching and everyone screaming at once. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895916
heatherchandler July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 10:02 PM, snarts said: Well, she is arrogant enough to talk to TMZ and blame production for the ratings decline: Eboni tells TMZ she shouldn't be the scapegoat for a declining TV audience just because she doesn't make final cut decisions about what ends up airing ... but the producers do There's clearly a rift growing, as Eboni says she feels demonized by some of the 'housewives' and some viewers. She adds ... if some of her castmates didn't show up for shoots with microaggression, there wouldn't be a need for the constant race discussions. Yeah, that's smart, blame production. I'm sure they'll love that. Expand 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6895995
chlban July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 (edited) On 7/16/2021 at 3:13 PM, heatherchandler said: Expand Well, she does have a point. I am sure the Producers appreciate her pointing it out, don't you think? So here's my prediction, FWIW. Assuming the ratings remain In the tank, in spite of all these news stories designed to bring interest to the show, Eboni will quit, rather than be fired. And, need I add, blame it on racism. Edited July 16, 2021 by chlban 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6896027
Feech July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 Eboni can quit, blame racism and get a gig on CNN or MSNBC or even ESPN. She is a self adsorbed one trick pony perfect for cable news. There is no shame in it as any one note cable talking head would not make it in the Housewives. Not Rachel Maddow or Judge Janine or Meghan McCain. They don’t have the supreme talent and perspicacity of a Kenya Moore or a Tamra Judge. It takes a certain kind of person to star on Reality TV and Eboni is not that type of person. 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6896071
divsc July 16, 2021 Share July 16, 2021 Insider: ‘RHONY’ has gone woke — and it’s killing the show https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/rhony-has-gone-woke-and-its-killing-the-show/ 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6896863
stcroix July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 I'm afraid Eboni is getting so much attention that Leah will fly under the radar enough to make it back on next season. She is just as bad as Eboni and killing this show! They both need to be fired. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6896955
ichbin July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 (edited) On 7/17/2021 at 12:21 AM, stcroix said: I'm afraid Eboni is getting so much attention that Leah will fly under the radar enough to make it back on next season. She is just as bad as Eboni and killing this show! They both need to be fired. Expand I was thinking the same thing. It seems unfair for recent articles to blame Eboni for all the ills this season. Truth be told, of the two I would be happier seeing Leah leave than Eboni. If Eboni would allow her teaching and preaching to occur more organically it would be fine. Leah is the one I see as being the toxic member of the group. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they didn't seem to sign on to join an ensemble group so much as to dominate and alter it to their own liking. Edited July 17, 2021 by ichbin grammar 18 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897055
Jextella July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 (edited) On 7/17/2021 at 1:09 AM, ichbin said: I was thinking the same thing. It seems unfair for recent articles to blame Eboni for all the ills this season. Truth be told, of the two I would be happier seeing Leah leave than Eboni. If Eboni would allow her teaching and preaching to occur more organically it would be fine. Leah is the one I see as being the toxic member of the group. The one thing they appear to have in common is that they didn't not sign on to join an ensemble group so much as to dominate and alter it to their own liking. Expand This 1000x. Leah is really the one ruining the season for me - not Eboni. Her drunken antics made up for it last year but not this year. Also, I feel Eboni is the one who is capable of having legitimate relationships with the OG's. I'm not sure Leah is mature enough. And, as much as it makes me sad to say, I agree with Bershan that Sonja needs to stop the clown antics - at least with this group since they are sober or not big drinkers (other than perhaps Ramona who is said to drink far more than what is shown on tv). To be interesting on the show anymore, Sonja would need a job of some sort. Same for Ramona for that matter. Luann at least has the cabaret gig. I think. Edited July 17, 2021 by Jextella 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897103
Stats Queen July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 12:21 AM, stcroix said: I'm afraid Eboni is getting so much attention that Leah will fly under the radar enough to make it back on next season. She is just as bad as Eboni and killing this show! They both need to be fired. Expand I’ve seen a lot of articles and comments about how awful Leah is, so hopefully it hasn’t gone unnoticed by TPTB. However, they don’t have a good recent track record of smart decisions. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897117
Stats Queen July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 12:21 AM, stcroix said: I'm afraid Eboni is getting so much attention that Leah will fly under the radar enough to make it back on next season. She is just as bad as Eboni and killing this show! They both need to be fired. Expand I’ve seen a lot of articles and comments about how awful Leah is, so hopefully it hasn’t gone unnoticed by TPTB. However, they don’t have a good recent track record of smart decisions. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897155
WhatAmIWatching July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 11:06 PM, ichbin said: Have you seen the update to add this from her instagram feed? "These deranged bigots are just mad AF that their days of dominance are coming to an end." https://www.instagram.com/p/CRXSd8kBm_L/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link At least she seems to be admitting to an agenda as well as her opinion of the show she chose to join. *Edited to add: Since I wrote the above based on the referenced article I have since discovered that Crystal (RHoBH) shared a nasty, racist post addressed to her. It is possible that Eboni's instagram post was in reference to that. The article made it appear like Eboni's post was in reference to the issues going on with RHoNY. So only fair to consider there may be another way to view this. Expand I'm so glad to see your eta! I was shocked that she was so combative against everyone complaining, but sticking up for Crystal makes much more sense. That dm sent to Crystal was beyond sickening. I do sort of get her blame toward the editing, because her teachable moments are pretty much all they've shown us of her, but still...it's not real smart to bite the hand that puts you on tv. She could've been a little more diplomatic in her criticisms, but then I don't know how I'd react if people were coming at me from all corners of the internet. Leah is exhausting with her petulance, faux emotions and contradictions. There's nothing interesting about her in my eyes. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897184
ichbin July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 1:31 AM, WhatAmIWatching said: I do sort of get her blame toward the editing, Expand Well, they can't show what she doesn't give them, but production in general is where I would throw primary blame. I strongly suspect they encouraged her to bring on the preaching and teaching thinking it would make good television by both instigating drama as well as possibly drawing in the woke (younger) crowd as viewers. Leah has probably received the same type of instigation. There is plenty of blame to be shared between production, Leah, and Eboni. The other three are doing what they have always done. They are team players who don't want to see the show destroyed. 2 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897224
Stats Queen July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 1:31 AM, WhatAmIWatching said: I do sort of get her blame toward the editing, because her teachable moments are pretty much all they've shown us of her, but still...it's not real smart to bite the hand that puts you on tv. She could've been a little more diplomatic in her criticisms, but then I don't know how I'd react if people were coming at me from all corners of the internet. Expand Yes and no. I do think they would have edited out more of her preaching if they had more footage of her not preaching and just being… Eboni has had spent many years being a commentator where she is hired to share her opinion and have actual dialogue and discussion. IMHO, she was hired as a real housewife for a silly show to do silly things at least some of the time. However, she didn’t read her job description and decided that this show was her platform (her words) and that she was hired as a talking head. I give her some leeway because of all the events last year and important conversations we are having as a society and how she felt her voice could be used. But she was not hired to that role. She was hired to be herself and to “interact” with her coworkers. She was not hired as a commentator or a lecturer. I think she did herself a huge disservice in her approach and her recent social media posts are really off putting. She didn’t even try to have conversations or dialogue, she just preached, lectured and insulted her coworkers (okay, the last one was in her job description). 1 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897325
Lemons July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 Quote Eboni fired back in a cutting Instagram post with castmate Crystal Kung Minkoff on Thursday, calling her a 'fucking queen' and adding: 'You are so loved Sis. These deranged bigots are just mad AF that their days of dominance are coming to an end… ' Expand Way to trivialize the race problem in America, Eboni. These women, as deranged as they are, have the right to live in an insulated world in the Upper East Side surrounded by "their own kind" if they want. Same as you moving to Harlem to be with "your people". Eboni certainly sucks at helping the race problem in America. It's not helpful to call people bigots without anything to back it up. She's argumentative, she uses trending terms constantly and at times incorrectly. She's jumped on the bandwagon and has no interest besides promoting herself. Does she even have any close White friends? 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897351
RedDelicious July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 12:46 AM, Maximona said: They can't fire Eboni. She'd howl racism. Expand 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897381
emmawoodhouse July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 2:01 AM, Lemons said: Way to trivialize the race problem in America, Eboni. These women, as deranged as they are, have the right to live in an insulated world in the Upper East Side surrounded by "their own kind" if they want. Same as you moving to Harlem to be with "your people". Eboni certainly sucks at helping the race problem in America. It's not helpful to call people bigots without anything to back it up. She's argumentative, she uses trending terms constantly and at times incorrectly. She's jumped on the bandwagon and has no interest besides promoting herself. Does she even have any close White friends? Expand I think Eboni was calling Crystal's race-baiter (and others like them) deranged bigots. If you've seen the communication, you'd probably agree. It was very ugly, racist rhetoric. 1 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897403
Jextella July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 (edited) Andy once said that Bravo tracks internet feedback really well. I wonder if they pump data into formulas that create composites of these women relative to what fans are looking for. I would love to know more about the "data" behind all this!. Edited July 17, 2021 by Jextella 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897517
WhatAmIWatching July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 (edited) On 7/17/2021 at 1:41 AM, ichbin said: Well, they can't show what she doesn't give them, but production in general is where I would throw primary blame. I strongly suspect they encouraged her to bring on the preaching and teaching thinking it would make good television by both instigating drama as well as possibly drawing in the woke (younger) crowd as viewers. Leah has probably received the same type of instigation. There is plenty of blame to be shared between production, Leah, and Eboni. The other three are doing what they have always done. They are team players who don't want to see the show destroyed. Expand On 7/17/2021 at 1:57 AM, Stats Queen said: Yes and no. I do think they would have edited out more of her preaching if they had more footage of her not preaching and just being… Eboni has had spent many years being a commentator where she is hired to share her opinion and have actual dialogue and discussion. IMHO, she was hired as a real housewife for a silly show to do silly things at least some of the time. However, she didn’t read her job description and decided that this show was her platform (her words) and that she was hired as a talking head. I give her some leeway because of all the events last year and important conversations we are having as a society and how she felt her voice could be used. But she was not hired to that role. She was hired to be herself and to “interact” with her coworkers. She was not hired as a commentator or a lecturer. I think she did herself a huge disservice in her approach and her recent social media posts are really off putting. She didn’t even try to have conversations or dialogue, she just preached, lectured and insulted her coworkers (okay, the last one was in her job description). Expand I guess I've been giving Eboni more of a pass because it is her first year, so it's all new for her, and it's so different than what she's done previously, and yes, last year had some really powerful stuff going on. If she stays on I wonder if the editors will come for her with the bad edit, after what's she's said, like they've done to other HW's? What she's talked about has been interesting, and thought provoking--and yes, a little like I'm in class, lol, but I've understood why, if not always agreed with how, she's tackled it. It would've felt less forced if she talked mostly with Sonja, since she seemed receptive, (well, so did Leah with her constant bobble head nodding), or didn't push so hard that the others literally ran away from her. The episodes have needed more of a balance (less poop and train wreck Sonja) Eboni's media comments about 'this has been a frivolous show long enough' did sour me a little bit, since that's the entire point of these franchises, like you said SQ. Maybe she was hired to be a spokesperson? I can definitely see Bravo encouraging the educating, since they've had a pretty crappy track record thus far, (concerning race and LGBTQ etc), and might be wanting to change the image, but it seems all they've done is made things more divisive. (As for Leah, I barely pay attention to her and FFW over her a lot. She's that annoying mosquito whine by your ear in the middle of the night.) Edited July 17, 2021 by WhatAmIWatching moved comma to right spot 1 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897585
pasdetrois July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 Quote She's jumped on the bandwagon and has no interest besides promoting herself. Expand I believe this completely. Eboni is using RHONY race lecturing to advertise for a pundit spot on TV. I believe her motives are not genuine. 1 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897916
Avaleigh July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 1:41 AM, ichbin said: Well, they can't show what she doesn't give them, but production in general is where I would throw primary blame. I strongly suspect they encouraged her to bring on the preaching and teaching thinking it would make good television by both instigating drama as well as possibly drawing in the woke (younger) crowd as viewers. Leah has probably received the same type of instigation. There is plenty of blame to be shared between production, Leah, and Eboni. The other three are doing what they have always done. They are team players who don't want to see the show destroyed. Expand Initially, I was fairly convinced that Eboni's lectures were encouraged by production and that she'd been hired to insert moments where the ladies could have these conversations. Then I read Eboni's response to a viewer's complaint about what a boring addition she's been to the show and if we're to believe Eboni--this season wasn't forced by production in terms of the topics that Eboni has been bringing to the table. According to Eboni, her tendency to force these discussions is completely on her and that what we're seeing is Eboni being her "authentic" self. (I posted a link to Eboni's response in Eboni's thread btw.) Eboni insists that she had to have these conversations first in order to get to a place with the women where they could start to have fun and talk about things that they have in common. These conversations that Eboni has forced are essentially a litmus test for the women (and anyone Eboni interacts with) because she needs to make sure that they care about racial equality--otherwise she isn't interested in engaging with them and developing these so called friendships. She says it isn't worth her time if she doesn't know that they share the same human values "along the full racial spectrum ". If Eboni were given another season, I can't really see her dialing it back at all. She's made it clear that this is what she's interested in bringing to the table. She let the world know via social media that her race is her favorite thing about herself so it's always going to be something that she's quick to bring up. I am curious to see if she gets a second season. Production is in a tough spot. If they don't bring her back, the optics won't look great. If they dump her and Leah and keep Ramona, there will be some people who think this was an unfair call. If they dump all three of them then they have a much for difficult job in putting together a cast for next season. It's easier for the shows to insert one or two new faces at a time. 1 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6897921
Feech July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 Eboni is a show killer. If they keep her they will totally destroy this show. They simply can not drop Ramona and keep Eboni and Leah. The recent articles in the Daily Mail reflect that as production leaks what their current thoughts are with respect to the cast. It is conceivable that they can drop all three and bring back some alumni. I imagine if they brought back Dorinda and Tinsley they might generate some heat. 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6898134
ichbin July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 1:14 PM, Avaleigh said: Production is in a tough spot. If they don't bring her back, the optics won't look great. Expand The fact they have delayed production of the next season until 2022 is telling. They know it cannot proceed with the current cast. I think production has backed itself into a corner with Eboni. She's obviously not been a good match for this particular show. Unless she has been offered something more lucrative/attention getting I doubt she will decide to leave on her own because, let's face it, she would get a ton of publicity if she is not picked up for a second season. If the show goes on I think the chances of her being removed are miniscule. My fear is that Bravo handles this debacle of their own making by deciding to end this franchise completely rather than continue dealing with declining ratings which probably would not have been the case had there been better casting decisions. This mess is on the shoulders of production and not the OG cast. On 7/17/2021 at 4:43 PM, Feech said: It is conceivable that they can drop all three and bring back some alumni. I imagine if they brought back Dorinda and Tinsley they might generate some heat. Expand A ratings winner would be to bring back the old. No doubt in my mind about that. It would not surprise me at all if I were to hear that Bethenny is in negotiations along with some other OG's. They should be able to drop Leah without any problems considering what she has shown this season. Eboni would shine brighter in a Harlem based show with a new cast. There are options here for most of them, particularly utilizing Peacock like they already are for the all-star edition. 2 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6898359
Cosmocrush July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 7:00 PM, ichbin said: There are options here for most of them, particularly utilizing Peacock like they already are for the all-star edition. Expand Wait what? All Star HW's?! I must have missed this - please tell! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6898576
Feech July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 9:29 PM, Cosmocrush said: Wait what? All Star HW's?! I must have missed this - please tell! Expand Yea they all stayed in a house for two weeks. They were supposed to be filmed in Atlanta but Eboni forced them to move it to Denver. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6898647
ichbin July 17, 2021 Share July 17, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 9:29 PM, Cosmocrush said: Wait what? All Star HW's?! I must have missed this - please tell! Expand https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/real-housewives-series-on-peacock-all-stars-cast 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6898746
PrincessPurrsALot July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 Folks, This is the media thread. Eboni and Leah each have their own threads where you can discuss them. There is also a thread to discuss who you would like to see on the next cast. Please check which thread you are in before posting. Many posts have been removed. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6898946
Jextella July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 7:00 PM, ichbin said: The fact they have delayed production of the next season until 2022 is telling. Expand Has this been confirmed? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6899383
Jextella July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 (edited) On 7/16/2021 at 12:43 AM, snarts said: Oh, they've seen it... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9792773/amp/RHONYs-Eboni-Williams-causes-outrage-scenes-blaming-production-poor-ratings.html Expand I don't believe she said this. I need more proof. I like to think Eboni is smart enough to not go there. Bad-mouthing production, Bravo, and Andy has been a death knell for many. As much as Eboni may not like her fragile white castmates, the platform is HUGE and offers her MANY great connections. She has to know on some level that her constant racial discussions contributed to declining ratings, but she also has to know others are being talked about as reasons why as well, e.g. Leah, Ramona and Sonja in particular. Assuming Eboni knows she is not the sole reason for the decline in ratings, complaining about production doesn't make sense. On 7/16/2021 at 12:46 AM, Maximona said: They can't fire Eboni. She'd howl racism. Expand I like Eboni, but probably. On 7/17/2021 at 7:00 PM, ichbin said: The fact they have delayed production of the next season until 2022 is telling. Expand Has this been confirmed? Edited July 19, 2021 by Jextella 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6899398
Jextella July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 9:29 PM, Cosmocrush said: Wait what? All Star HW's?! I must have missed this - please tell! Expand On 7/17/2021 at 11:57 PM, ichbin said: https://www.bravotv.com/the-daily-dish/real-housewives-series-on-peacock-all-stars-cast Expand I wonder if this is signalling the end. See the section entitled "Future" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives Future On December 2, 2016 ... Cohen also stated that an All Star edition would serve as an end-goal for the franchise when ratings begin to drop. He added that it would likely feature eight housewives with "big personalities" from each series on an island together. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6899425
biakbiak July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 (edited) On 7/18/2021 at 4:19 PM, Jextella said: I wonder if this is signalling the end. See the section entitled "Future" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives Future On December 2, 2016 ... Cohen also stated that an All Star edition would serve as an end-goal for the franchise when ratings begin to drop. He added that it would likely feature eight housewives with "big personalities" from each series on an island together. Expand Whoever wrote that took liberties with what he actually stated. The cited source for that is this is interview he did with Rupaul and recounted in this article. Quote And what of an “Real Housewives: All Stars” spinoff, featuring the biggest personalities from each city, Cohen laughed off the idea. “The shows are still doing really, really well,” Cohen said. “So when they really start petering out, we’ll just throw eight of them on an island.” Expand Edited July 18, 2021 by biakbiak 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6899540
Jextella July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 4:19 PM, Jextella said: I wonder if this is signalling the end. See the section entitled "Future" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives Future On December 2, 2016 ... Cohen also stated that an All Star edition would serve as an end-goal for the franchise when ratings begin to drop. He added that it would likely feature eight housewives with "big personalities" from each series on an island together. Expand On 7/18/2021 at 6:02 PM, biakbiak said: Whoever wrote that took liberties with what he actually stated. The cited source for that is this is interview he did with Rupaul and recounted in this article. Expand Interesting. Although both lean to the notion that the island show may signal an end - or at least an end of the HW franchise as we know it. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6899594
Lemons July 18, 2021 Share July 18, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 1:32 AM, Jextella said: I think I've turned that same corner. I'm just not as interested or as entertained as I was in younger years. Expand NYC is the only one I'm still watching but I can't imagine these housewives shows would attract a younger crowd. There are way too many reality shows that portray people their own age and have more in common with. Exactly what age is he going for? 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6899785
tvfanatic13 July 20, 2021 Share July 20, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 10:44 PM, Feech said: Yea they all stayed in a house for two weeks. They were supposed to be filmed in Atlanta but Eboni forced them to move it to Denver. Expand Eboni was not in all-stars and it filmed in the Caribbean. 2 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6903888
Stats Queen July 20, 2021 Share July 20, 2021 On 7/20/2021 at 8:16 PM, tvfanatic13 said: Eboni was not in all-stars and it filmed in the Caribbean. Expand That was a joke referencing the MLB moving the All-star game from Atlanta to Denver. 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6904056
chewycandy July 20, 2021 Share July 20, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 4:43 PM, Feech said: They simply can not drop Ramona and keep Eboni and Leah. Expand If they want to, they will, and the Bravo world will keep turning. Eboni and Leah reflect our current times. I don’t know how many more Ramona scenes zeroing in on her poop stains viewers can take. Or nonexistent scenes of her dating life. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6904218
Feech July 20, 2021 Share July 20, 2021 On 7/20/2021 at 11:37 PM, chewycandy said: If they want to, they will, and the Bravo world will keep turning. Eboni and Leah reflect our current times. I don’t know how many more Ramona scenes zeroing in on her poop stains viewers can take. Or nonexistent scenes of her dating life. Expand Of course they can if they want their ratings to fall even more. I think cooler heads will prevail and they will revamp by bringing in alumni as they did on OC. Leah and Eboni are just too toxic. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6904230
chewycandy July 20, 2021 Share July 20, 2021 On 7/20/2021 at 11:41 PM, Feech said: Of course they can if they want their ratings to fall even more. I think cooler heads will prevail and they will revamp by bringing in alumni as they did on OC. Leah and Eboni are just too toxic. Expand I did read there was talk about bringing Beth back. God, no. 1 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1875-real-housewives-in-the-media/page/49/#findComment-6904234
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