Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[WendyCR72]

The horrific ratings SHOULD short circuit Gina and Steve-ano among the other horrors. But as this show will still tape a zillion years out, I expect the ratings to go freaking fractional before any action is taken.

Maybe NBC figures that may be the only way to finally get the hour back.

[Petunia13]

I’ve had enough of Clyde. 

Ciara sounded smug and out of pocket. You were caught red handed Sis and it’s your stupidity that you didn’t think to drill the box outside or at another location. Her threats that she’s Victor’s fave and pride and joy so if Xander fires her would get him thrown out of the business and mansion weren’t logical. Because she’s made it known Xander and Vic were working against her and Ben. Nebulous logic there: Also kinda shitty to blow shit in Xander’s face the day after his daughter was diagnosed with cancer. 

[Pearson80]

11 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

The horrific ratings SHOULD short circuit Gina and Steve-ano among the other horrors. But as this show will still tape a zillion years out, I expect the ratings to go freaking fractional before any action is taken.

Maybe NBC figures that may be the only way to finally get the hour back.

The show is just so horrible to watch, it is truly a chore.

Wilson was just heartbreaking yesterday. Evan is a fraud and he hovers over Sonny like Paul used to do. I find him creepy and annoying. 

Clyde is scary and the show should have made him the main villain a few years ago instead of constantly bringing back the Dimeras who have been played out.  I wish more had been done between Marlena and Clyde, they had a creepy dynamic that could have been explored for character-driven stories. 

[kitmerlot1213]

I am so thrown off by the Kristin/Lani scenes, as if they were both forced into the convent by controlling men but now they're free of their shackles and can take back what is rightfully theirs. Both of them went to Rome to hide and without any truly pure motives to become Brides of Christ and that shows in their plot to destroy Gabi--what would Mother Superior say to that? :):)

I don't know what is worse for poor JJ and his withdrawal sickness, having Haley's spirit appear to him or having Julie sitting by his bedside, vowing to be there for him?

I kind of want to see Chad's face when it's revealed that Kate knew about Stefano all along--he deserves to have that smug look wiped off his face.

[DaphneCat]

1 hour ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

I am so thrown off by the Kristin/Lani scenes, as if they were both forced into the convent by controlling men but now they're free of their shackles and can take back what is rightfully theirs. Both of them went to Rome to hide and without any truly pure motives to become Brides of Christ and that shows in their plot to destroy Gabi--what would Mother Superior say to that? :):)

I don't know what is worse for poor JJ and his withdrawal sickness, having Haley's spirit appear to him or having Julie sitting by his bedside, vowing to be there for him?

I kind of want to see Chad's face when it's revealed that Kate knew about Stefano all along--he deserves to have that smug look wiped off his face.

This.  Are we supposed to actually LIKE Kristen and Lani?  If so, MASSIVE miscalculation - there is nothing compelling about either character.  They only make me want to root against them.  And was it just me, or were there "vibes" between the two of them that were a bit more than "friendship"?

And yes, Chad has also become as insufferable as his wife.  I don't really care how evil Gabi has to be, I really  want her to come out smelling like a rose in all this.

[Pearson80]

1 hour ago, DaphneCat said:

This.  Are we supposed to actually LIKE Kristen and Lani?  If so, MASSIVE miscalculation - there is nothing compelling about either character.  They only make me want to root against them.  And was it just me, or were there "vibes" between the two of them that were a bit more than "friendship"?

I am glad you said this and it was not just my imagination.  Those two had some serious chemistry. 

[bobcat1946]

I hope when Kristin gets back Brady will have already moved on with Nicole.

[Retired at last]

The scenes between Gabi and Chad today seemed like a word-for-word repetition of the initial scenes between Gabi and Stefan. So, how long before these "enemies" have some hate sex? Maybe they will team up against Kristen? (Should someone remind the psycho that she is NOT a true DiMera in that she was adopted and has no real DiMera blood so she needs to stop acting like she is the rightful heir?)

Also, JJ needed to be in a real room where he would be restrained and monitored while he goes through detox and withdrawal, and certainly not left alone with the town blabbermouth. He could have harmed himself or her and no one was there.

[Silver Raven]

Dang, Lani looked like she was about to jump Giorgio and Lucca's bones.

Jeez, Lani and Kristen, just go for it.  You know you want to.

[Lastwaltz]

I feel like we’re watching John descend into dementia. His reactions are inappropriate and he is not understanding—at all— that there’s an issue here. 
 

[Irlandesa]

3 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

And was it just me, or were there "vibes" between the two of them that were a bit more than "friendship"?

Not just you.  They were more touchy feely than half the couples on the show and in robes.

Honestly, I'd watch that story.  I don't love the characters but 2 women falling in love while Thelma and Louising it would justify their existence on my screen for at least another few months.  Plus, they have more chemistry than their other love interests. 

Edited December 17, 2019 by Irlandesa

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, Retired at last said:

[JJ] could have harmed himself or [Julie] and no one was there.

If only we could be so lucky!

51 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I don't love the characters but 2 women falling in love while Thelma and Louising it would justify their existence on my screen for at least another few months.  Plus, they have more chemistry than their other love interests. 

+1

Also, I'm ready for the Gabi/Chad hate sex affair that's almost certainly coming. Sure, it's a retread of Gabi/Stefan but I don't care.

[CanaryFan98]

3 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

I am glad you said this and it was not just my imagination.  Those two had some serious chemistry. 

I honestly rather see them hook up than Bristen or Elani tbh. 

2 hours ago, Retired at last said:

Also, JJ needed to be in a real room where he would be restrained and monitored while he goes through detox and withdrawal, and certainly not left alone with the town blabbermouth. He could have harmed himself or her and no one was there.

Days couldn't afford that (well its a better excuse than they don't care which is the real reason). I don't mind JJ/Julie scenes I prefer JJ/Doug though. 

I don't mind Haley visiting him being his conscious but I would've preferred his family being the reason then again his family treats him as an afterthought and Haley actually put him first so I can see why he would make her a focal point. I think this all would've worked better with Paige(who could've done double duty as Eve's conscious if the show didn't make it a point to have her as a one note bitch so Ben appears better).

[boes]

Damn, poor JJ.  There's having a bad trip, and then there's having a bad trip where you open your eyes and SEE JULIE.  If that image alone doesn't scare him straight, nothin' will.  He better get his head together soon or she'll start dressing him in muu muus and scarves and big-ass plastic jewelry - and making him join Doug in some ukelele/harmonica combo.  So JJ, it's either get clean and stay clean or end up on a cruise ship that never lands and you're too young for that.  Until his head clears he must be thinking he got a really, really bad dose.....

Speaking of a bad dose, that's exactly what it looked like Kristen was going to give those poor massage guys.  Little thirsty, there, Kristen?  And Lani was licking her lips, too.  I guess the convent life wore off faster than Kristen's anti-psychotic meds usually do.  Wasn't it just a little more than a week ago where those two were all about the redemption and hiding away and living a life of service, grateful to the nuns for taking them in and apparently, willing to keep them like a no-kill shelter and now they're acting like they were being held against their will and God's plan now is revenge?  

Kristen creeps me the F out and Lani isn't far behind.  Whatever Show is shoveling with these two smells like a bad spill in the manure section of Home Depot.

I see Carlivati got the chance to do his nun schtick,  just like he used to do on One Life To Live.  On that show, he had two characters assault a nun, strip, bind and gag her and steal her habit, and they were HEROES.  Now this.  I think he's got an issue or 12 from his catholic school background to work out.  I just don't know why we have to see it.  It sorta irks me since I have a lifetime of deep respect for most of the nuns I've interacted with and they could bore holes in his head just by giving him the "I'm disappointed in you" stare.....

Hey John, I guess you haven't noticed that every now and then Hope falls into a Natasha from The Bullwinkle Show accent, but why haven't you asked yourself why, in the last year, every freakin' time you see Hope, she's coming at you with a bottle of wine?  She didn't do that before.  

JJ, clean up your act and fast, before Julie decides to give you a sponge bath.  

Edited December 18, 2019 by boes

[Sidney]

1 hour ago, boes said:

Damn, poor JJ.  There's having a bad trip, and then there's having a bad trip where you open your eyes and SEE JULIE.  If that image alone doesn't scare him straight, nothin' will.  He better get his head together soon or she'll start dressing him in muu muus and scarves and big-ass plastic jewelry - and making him join Doug in some ukelele/harmonica combo.  So JJ, it's either get clean and stay clean or end up on a cruise ship that never lands and you're too young for that.  Until his head clears he must be thinking he got a really, really bad dose.....

Speaking of a bad dose, that's exactly what it looked like Kristen was going to give those poor massage guys.  Little thirsty, there, Kristen?  And Lani was licking her lips, too.  I guess the convent life wore off faster than Kristen's anti-psychotic meds usually do.  Wasn't it just a little more than a week ago where those two were all about the redemption and hiding away and living a life of service, grateful to the nuns for taking them in and apparently, willing to keep them like a no-kill shelter and now they're acting like they were being held against their will and God's plan now is revenge?  

Kristen creeps me the F out and Lani isn't far behind.  Whatever Show is shoveling with these two smells like a bad spill in the manure section of Home Depot.

I see Carlivati got the chance to do his nun schtick,  just like he used to do on One Life To Live.  On that show, he had two characters assault a nun, strip, bind and gag her and steal her habit, and they were HEROES.  Now this.  I think he's got an issue or 12 from his catholic school background to work out.  I just don't know why we have to see it.  It sorta irks me since I have a lifetime of deep respect for most of the nuns I've interacted with and they could bore holes in his head just by giving him the "I'm disappointed in you" stare.....

Hey John, I guess you haven't noticed that every now and then Hope falls into a Natasha from The Bullwinkle Show accent, but why haven't you asked yourself why, in the last year, every freakin' time you see Hope, she's coming at you with a bottle of wine?  She didn't do that before.  

JJ, clean up your act and fast, before Julie decides to give you a sponge bath.  

LOL!!!!!

[Frozendiva]

Lani and Kristen probably should have taken advantage of the opportunity that the masseurs brought with them - as a possible escort for each. Too bad the dudes probably still live with mom. She and Kristen were kinda googly eyeing each other and I was a bit confused - maybe the wimples were too tight or something. Guess God works in mysterious ways - one day they are Frankenstein's Brides of Christ and the next God wants them to plan a delicious revenge on who trespassed against them.  Kristen's raised eyebrow was kinda bothering me too.

Poor JJ, waking up in what seems like Jennifer's old bed and hospital room and the first sight he sees is Julie. @boes, you are right about the ukulele and harmonica group that is waiting for him. The Haley vision wasn't the best either. Brady should have gone to visit him and offered to be his sponsor or something - to get Julie off his back. Jack and Jennifer should be called and JJ put in to some rehab centre and not waste a hospital bed.

Gabi, your lip magic sure worked on poor stressed out and mad at you Eli. Won't work for too much longer.

What kind of champagne does the Brady Pub stock? How is it even in business when there are only a couple of customers in it at a time? Does it have a side catering business of clam chowder or a deal with a supermarket to prepare the chowder? Surely the DiMera mansion has champagne or Chad could just stop to a liquor store and buy a chilled bottle of Prosecco. And yes, Chad, do keep an eye on Mommy figure Kate. She is shrewd - the restaurant is the best place to learn everyone's business.

Hope had a Pinot Noir with her? It looked like Rose to me or maybe it was just my TV. John, are you too blind to see that Hope is always with a bottle of wine, she seems distant, she seems unusually more than uninterested in her job and she's been watching too much Bullwinkle lately? Marlena is right to kick her out. Seriously, she can live with her parents, rent a room at the Inn, or find a longterm Airbnb until her house is finished. How much longer will it be under repair?

[Sidney]

The JJ and Hayley can't end soon enough for me. Still boring. 

[CanaryFan98]

35 minutes ago, Sidney said:

The JJ and Hayley can't end soon enough for me. Still boring. 

Well

Spoiler

They're both leaving in a couple of months from our screens so it will be over soon. Plus I can't imagine them getting that much airtime from now till then.

[tribeca]

The talk between Ben and Clyde in prison was intense.  Ben is much more like his dad than he will like to admit.  

Is ben getting feelings for Will?

Ciara looked so different it was distracting.   It was a little nice seeing Xander being menacing again.  

Will and Sony were heartbreaking.  

Evan apology to Kate was a bit much.  

[msrachelj]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

The talk between Ben and Clyde in prison was intense.  Ben is much more like his dad than he will like to admit.  

Is ben getting feelings for Will?

Ciara looked so different it was distracting.   It was a little nice seeing Xander being menacing again.  

Will and Sony were heartbreaking.  

Evan apology to Kate was a bit much.  

Right? What is with that girl? Is she a chameleon? She looks different every time you see her. And it's not good. Go back to your natural hair, lay off the not doing you any favors makeup and tanning bed. She even sounds different. 

[Sidney]

So are we now suppose to believe that grabbing Kristen's stock was more important to Gabi than trying to get JJ the help he so desperately needed? 

There's never no middle with Ron, he always goes to the extremes. 🙄

John is really turned on by all this attention from Hope. This is who he is. Brady is just like him. They love women. 

[Pearson80]

12 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Hope had a Pinot Noir with her? It looked like Rose to me or maybe it was just my TV. John, are you too blind to see that Hope is always with a bottle of wine, she seems distant, she seems unusually more than uninterested in her job and she's been watching too much Bullwinkle lately? Marlena is right to kick her out. Seriously, she can live with her parents, rent a room at the Inn, or find a longterm Airbnb until her house is finished. How much longer will it be under repair?

I find Marlena's attitude a bit much and I am one of the few people who still like her on here.  We know that Hope is Gina but Marlena does not.  Marlena's nastiness towards Hope is out of character, given the long history they share in addition to being sister-in-laws once upon a time.  I just find everybody on the show to be unlikable with the current writer. 

What I find to be even more annoying is that nobody notices that Hope is not acting like herself. This is a show where the characters have had evil doubles take over their lives, characters come back from the dead, e.t.c. I really hate it when characters are dumbed down to facilitate the plot..

Hope is a millionaire. Surely, Gina as Hope can afford her own place. I would think getting her own place would allow her to be free to be who she is and not have to pretend to be Hope. The more she interacts with people, the more she runs the risk of being exposed as a fraud.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Pearson80

[plurie]

23 minutes ago, Pearson80 said:

Hope is a millionaire.

I don't think she is, any more. Didn't she and Bo start the detective agency because her trust fund was empty? IIRC, they even sold the Fancy Face because they were in dire financial straights.

[Pearson80]

34 minutes ago, plurie said:

I don't think she is, any more. Didn't she and Bo start the detective agency because her trust fund was empty? IIRC, they even sold the Fancy Face because they were in dire financial straights.

You could be right.  I think Hope being broke was written by another horrible writer:Dena.  She was back to being a millionaire when Aiden tried to kill her. 

Hope was dead for 4 years and her millions would have gone to her only child at the time:Shawn-Douglas. I doubt Bo ever touched that money since he would be too proud. Plus, he has never cared about money.  

[Silver Raven]

4 hours ago, plurie said:

I don't think she is, any more. Didn't she and Bo start the detective agency because her trust fund was empty? IIRC, they even sold the Fancy Face because they were in dire financial straights.

Didn't Aiden marry her for her money?

 

[JBC344]

Back when Bo and Hope had the PI agency it was a plot point that Bo didn't want Hope to dip into her millions to finance it. But eventually they did, but there weren't any money issues from then on. They went back to being cops soon after. 

Yes, the re-write of Aiden was that he was after Hope's money. 

They've completely mishandled Gina pretending to be Hope. There is no way Gina would agree to be police Commissioner, especially since Hope wasn't at the time. Gina would of dipped into Hope's millions to buy a lavish penthouse and took up a life of leisure. Even if she needed a cover to mask being Hope she could of spun the whole " empty nest, middle age woman looking to do something new" as a way for Gina to pursue her own interests as Hope. 

How about Hope opens an art gallery, or gets back into the modeling/ fashion business like she did when she first came back to Salem. 

Or he'll, if you needed to put her and John in close proximity, why not make Gina as Hope agree to be John's new partner in the PI agency? 

 

[boes]

Wow, that was riveting dwamah today, wasn't it?  Between Princess Pignatelli and her constant bottle of Boone's Farm Apple Wine and Steveno's interpretation of Stefano as a man with chronic constipation, I was on the edge of my seat, edgeofmyseat, I'm telling you.

Marlena and Jawn are a couple, have been since the Dark Ages, so I can see that she's devoted to him.  But any other woman who is panting after him should be locked up in Happy Dale until she comes to her senses.  Ditto for some guy wanting Marlena as badly as Steveno does.  Unless they're both kidnapped to star in an Activia commercial.

That was one long 36 minutes today.

Edited December 19, 2019 by boes
Speeling

[Frozendiva]

@boes, I was hunting high and low for the Horton Christmas tree. Maybe it's not yet wheeled in - gotta get those ornaments hung.

What do Gina and Steveno see in John and Marlena? Maybe 20 years ago? Just find some doubles, and make them into another Hattie or doppelganger and you can each have the person you want. Hope is rich enough or has enough house insurance to get a place of her own.

Rolf taking one for the team? They could have easily kept the person in the video as Hope and she could claim some sort of breakdown, or like Kristen playing Nicole, someone wore a mask!

Kate, how hard can it be to warn Marlena about Princess Gina? Run some stuff off the Internet, put it in an envelope, and deliver it to her to read. Only two other patrons at the pub.

Is Hope going to open the door to Rafe and show him her new residence? Hard to find something princesslike on short notice.

[IWantCandy71]

Casey Moss is awesome and I love JJ.  

It's a travesty, because I honestly think the show has always had a "meh" investment in him.

Edited December 19, 2019 by IWantCandy71

[CanaryFan98]

36 minutes ago, IWantCandy71 said:

Casey Moss is awesome and I love JJ.  

It's a travesty, because I honestly think the show has always had a "meh" investment in him.

Meh is an understatement. It doesn't help that the writers kept changing the past few years I think Tomlin/Whitesell were truly interested in him the others not so much. That being said they valued Abby more that much is obvious but all the Horton males get shortchanged on this show.

I really hope Casey finds a much better gig.... 

[robh21223]

This show with it's year advance in time really sucks now and needs to be cancelled. What were these writers thinking??

[Silver Raven]

How did Kate know where to find Stefano?

Is Stefano having feelings for Kayla?

 

 

[DaphneCat]

25 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

How did Kate know where to find Stefano?

Is Stefano having feelings for Kayla?

 

 

Yes, he didn't actually tell her where to come.

And yes, I think the Steve part will develop feelings for Kayla and "fight to come out."  

Man, wasn't Rafe just OUTSTANDING as a detective today?  All Gina had to do was basically say "Look. A Squirrel!" and he was off running.  It never occurred to him to wonder why he wasn't getting notified as the lead detective?

[CanaryFan98]

A Shayla reference... granted its one of those things you like to forget and for decades the show has acted like it never happened till now.

 

Regardless I would've preferred someone other than Kate bring it up was she even in town when that happened? Eve would've made more sense. Or even Theresa when she first showed up to town in the first place they could've made that parallel when Brady/Eve got together.

[Frozendiva]

Rafe has a living room!

How much dumber can he be when Hope/Gina can get him off his squirrel trail so quickly. It was odd to find a room with two large weird chairs. And a chess set. Hmmmm, Rolf has an interesting life.

Roman is not going to notice Steffy at the Brady Pub rooms? Kate gave up the luxurious Salem Inn hotel room she's lived in for years to stay at the pub? She can't just take a break when no one is there to serve anyone, except Kayla and maybe someone who did leave. So someone could come in and rob the place of all it furniture.

Uncle Vic was his charming self today to everyone. Yelling at Justin for doing his job, yelling at Ciara because she was lying about seeing Ben at the jail. Wonder who his contact is - Clyde? One of the guards.

Did like Will seeing Ben as his sort of friend who once murdered him. That is an odd one.

Sonny, maybe look at the Evan dude as someone who has found a nice, rich, vulnerable, soon to be divorced dude.

 

[Pearson80]

4 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

A Shayla reference... granted its one of those things you like to forget and for decades the show has acted like it never happened till now.

 

Regardless I would've preferred someone other than Kate bring it up was she even in town when that happened? Eve would've made more sense. Or even Theresa when she first showed up to town in the first place they could've made that parallel when Brady/Eve got together.

 Kate was not present when Shayla happened. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Pearson80

[Petunia13]

I’m trying to see what Princess Gina sees in John. He’s not that especially great looking for a silver fox and doesn’t seem especially “with it” and kinda is awkward and funny acting. Pickings are slim in Salem for men in the 50+ group but still. 

Ciara threw Justin under the bus with a quickness with Victor today. Typical Horton Princess behavior. 

I don’t give a shit if Ben and Will are cell mates and bored/lonely. I find their BFF situationship extremely far fetched. Same as Kristen and Lani’s love fest. 

Did y’all peep Kate’s metallic rainbow mani? Each nail was painted a different frosted color of the rainbow spectrum. She’s so cute. She had another mani recently where they had geometric designs painted on each finger color blocked black and white asymmetrically. 

Justin’s quip about showing Kate for being rude then did a long pause and said he’d go under 20% then burst into light hearted laughter cracked me up. It’s so rare men are easy going and slow to anger on this show, Rex was the last dude besides him lately who let shit roll of his back and would smile or laugh at rude people. 

Rafe = stupid. 

[CanaryFan98]

55 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

I’m trying to see what Princess Gina sees in John. He’s not that especially great looking for a silver fox and doesn’t seem especially “with it” and kinda is awkward and funny acting. Pickings are slim in Salem for men in the 50+ group but still. 

 

Justin’s quip about showing Kate for being rude then did a long pause and said he’d go under 20% then burst into light hearted laughter cracked me up. It’s so rare men are easy going and slow to anger on this show, Rex was the last dude besides him lately who let shit roll of his back and would smile or laugh at rude people. 

 

Honestly its even more baffling when she's hanging around Stevano who looks amazing for his age(SN is 68 in RL). I think Drake looks good for his age but really why must all the women not named Marlena be crazy when it comes to John. Isabella managed to escape this fate because she died....(don't you dare bring her back Ron....)

I wonder if this show will go the Justin/Kate route when Steve/Kayla inevitably reunite I mean unless Adrienne is alive somewhere what will become of Justin?

I rather Justin have been paired with Hope it would spare us Rope.

 

 

[Irlandesa]

5 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Regardless I would've preferred someone other than Kate bring it up was she even in town when that happened? Eve would've made more sense.

 

She wasn't around but the relationship lasted long enough that it's a thing people know about.  And Kate is close to Kayla's brother so I don't find it a stretch that it's something that she'd know about.  In the context of the conversation, during which she's dragging Kayla for her dating choices, it makes perfect sense as a thing to throw at her.

So, in the context of the conversation, I didn't have a problem with it.  But the conversation happened in the context of a story,  Kate's whole story and writing in general, which makes zero sense.  This is where the time jump really hurts because she's a character I generally appreciate as a soap character. But I don't know enough about what happened in the past year to make me understand any of her storyline or choices at the moment from working in the pub, bitching about Gabi, getting into fights with Kayla or going along with Stevano's crazy plan.  The only time she feels remotely recognizable is when she's with Roman.

Going along with Stevano is the worst part of it all.  When she saw Gina, she said she refused to participate in anything that would hurt Marlena but isn't keeping Stevano a secret doing exactly that? And doesn't she know that Stevano is still obsessed with Marlena?  Stevano's existence means one of two things 1) it's actually Steve who has been brainwashed and she's just as bad, if not worse, than Eve was when taking advantage of someone who doesn't know who he is and wouldn't choose to be with her if he did.  This is likely the situation because even the closed captioning lists him as Steve as Stefano.  Or 2) Rolf did his version of Get Out with Steve and Stefano's brain which means he murdered Steve.

They're ruining the best things about her.

54 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I rather Justin have been paired with Hope it would spare us Rope.

Interesting.  I'm open to a chem test.

One final word on the Stefano and Kate thing.   This is the only Katarina/Katarina combo I will acknowledge.

[BuckeyeLou]

Some LOLs today:  Kate to Gina: "What are you a Princess of?! Hoboken?!" 🙂 and Abigail talking about Kristen & Lani "Are they the Sisters of Nympho Convicts"? 

[norcalgal]

13 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

 

She wasn't around but the relationship lasted long enough that it's a thing people know about.  And Kate is close to Kayla's brother so I don't find it a stretch that it's something that she'd know about.  In the context of the conversation, during which she's dragging Kayla for her dating choices, it makes perfect sense as a thing to throw at her.

So, in the context of the conversation, I didn't have a problem with it.  But the conversation happened in the context of a story,  Kate's whole story and writing in general, which makes zero sense.  This is where the time jump really hurts because she's a character I generally appreciate as a soap character. But I don't know enough about what happened in the past year to make me understand any of her storyline or choices at the moment from working in the pub, bitching about Gabi, getting into fights with Kayla or going along with Stevano's crazy plan.  The only time she feels remotely recognizable is when she's with Roman.

Going along with Stevano is the worst part of it all.  When she saw Gina, she said she refused to participate in anything that would hurt Marlena but isn't keeping Stevano a secret doing exactly that? And doesn't she know that Stevano is still obsessed with Marlena?  Stevano's existence means one of two things 1) it's actually Steve who has been brainwashed and she's just as bad, if not worse, than Eve was when taking advantage of someone who doesn't know who he is and wouldn't choose to be with her if he did.  This is likely the situation because even the closed captioning lists him as Steve as Stefano.  Or 2) Rolf did his version of Get Out with Steve and Stefano's brain which means he murdered Steve.

They're ruining the best things about her.

Interesting.  I'm open to a chem test.

One final word on the Stefano and Kate thing.   This is the only Katarina/Katarina combo I will acknowledge.

Wow - what a great blast from the past!  I always shipped Katerina/Lawrence because of the UST between the two actors, so I was beyond THRILLED when I realized the actors got married IRL.  I've never cared to look them up because it would break my heart to find out they separated/got divorced.  This is one of the few instances when an on-screen pairing's hotness matches their off-screen vibes.

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, norcalgal said:

Wow - what a great blast from the past!  I always shipped Katerina/Lawrence because of the UST between the two actors, so I was beyond THRILLED when I realized the actors got married IRL.  I've never cared to look them up because it would break my heart to find out they separated/got divorced.  This is one of the few instances when an on-screen pairing's hotness matches their off-screen vibes.

Two kids and 22 years of marriage and still together.

I still hate that they had Lawrence go crazy (because she had Daniel's lovechild aka Melanie) and have Carly kill him.

[Silver Raven]

Ha.  The spoiler photo of Stefano and Kate in bed together was a misdirection.

Does Gina really think that painting of Stefano is a "great work of art"?

Why is Kate living above the pub if she's running around in furs and pearls?

Marlena calls Kate Katy?

[Pearson80]

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

Two kids and 22 years of marriage and still together.

I still hate that they had Lawrence go crazy (because she had Daniel's lovechild aka Melanie) and have Carly kill him.

As much as I adored Bo/Carly version 1, version 2 was just awful and nonsensical. I would not have had a problem if Carly and Lawrence were secretly working together to steal Hope's vast fortune through her widower Bo at the time.  Lawrence and Carly were hot.  Perhaps she falls for Bo along the way, altering her deadly plans with Lawrence. It would have given Carly a bit more of an edge. A vengeful Lawrence could have gone after Carly, Bo, Jack and Jennifer. 

Rewatching the Bo/Carly love story a few years ago, I realized that Carly was a Mary Sue during her original run. I did not care since I loved her so much.. I am a rare Bope fan that adored Bo/Carly, their love scenes in Mexico were hot.. Their Mayan symbolic wedding on top of that pyramid was so awesome.. I still remember their beautiful poem. The writers used to really take the time and effort to craft a love story.  The end result showed that they cared and put in the work to reward their faithful audience..

Edited December 20, 2019 by Pearson80

[CanaryFan98]

19 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

 

She wasn't around but the relationship lasted long enough that it's a thing people know about.  And Kate is close to Kayla's brother so I don't find it a stretch that it's something that she'd know about.  In the context of the conversation, during which she's dragging Kayla for her dating choices, it makes perfect sense as a thing to throw at her.

So, in the context of the conversation, I didn't have a problem with it.  But the conversation happened in the context of a story,  Kate's whole story and writing in general, which makes zero sense.  This is where the time jump really hurts because she's a character I generally appreciate as a soap character. But I don't know enough about what happened in the past year to make me understand any of her storyline or choices at the moment from working in the pub, bitching about Gabi, getting into fights with Kayla or going along with Stevano's crazy plan.  The only time she feels remotely recognizable is when she's with Roman.

Going along with Stevano is the worst part of it all.  When she saw Gina, she said she refused to participate in anything that would hurt Marlena but isn't keeping Stevano a secret doing exactly that? And doesn't she know that Stevano is still obsessed with Marlena?  Stevano's existence means one of two things 1) it's actually Steve who has been brainwashed and she's just as bad, if not worse, than Eve was when taking advantage of someone who doesn't know who he is and wouldn't choose to be with her if he did.  This is likely the situation because even the closed captioning lists him as Steve as Stefano.  Or 2) Rolf did his version of Get Out with Steve and Stefano's brain which means he murdered Steve.

They're ruining the best things about her.

Interesting.  I'm open to a chem test.

One final word on the Stefano and Kate thing.   This is the only Katarina/Katarina combo I will acknowledge.

 

Yes to the Katerina/Lawrence combo. I was one of the few that preferred them over Bo/Carly who didn't particularly appeal to me. I can't imagine Bo being cool with someone who lied as often as Carly did.

2 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

As much as I adored Bo/Carly version 1, version 2 was just awful and nonsensical. I would not have had a problem if Carly and Lawrence were secretly working together to steal Hope's vast fortune through her widower Bo at the time.  Lawrence and Carly were hot.  Perhaps she falls for Bo along the way, altering her deadly plans with Lawrence. It would have given Carly a bit more of an edge. A vengeful Lawrence could have gone after Carly, Bo, Jack and Jennifer. 

Rewatching the Bo/Carly love story a few years ago, I realized that Carly was a Mary Sue during her original run. I did not care since I loved her so much.. I am a rare Bope fan that adored Bo/Carly, their love scenes in Mexico were hot.. Their Mayan symbolic wedding on top of that pyramid was so awesome.. I still remember their beautiful poem. The writers used to really take the time and effort to craft a love story.  The end result showed that they cared and put in the work to reward their faithful audience..

I think Bo/Carly worked the 1st time around for that reason I can't imagine today's soap having a couple wait a year and a half after they met to have sex after they were married. I miss the days where they took the time to craft a love story and when they got together they stayed for a long period of time before they were broken up.

[kitmerlot1213]

Is Abigail kidding with her "Lani is sweet and compassionate" and that she lied to JJ about being the father of her baby because she loved him?  And I loved Abs' dismissive "I was mentally ill when I hurt Gabi" --it's good to see that she hasn't grown emotionally one iota.

And were we supposed to be cheering Kristin and Lani's mean girl nastiness while they baited Gabi?  I really don't know what the writers intentions are with these storylines.

[boes]

43 minutes ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Is Abigail kidding with her "Lani is sweet and compassionate" and that she lied to JJ about being the father of her baby because she loved him?  And I loved Abs' dismissive "I was mentally ill when I hurt Gabi" --it's good to see that she hasn't grown emotionally one iota.

And were we supposed to be cheering Kristin and Lani's mean girl nastiness while they baited Gabi?  I really don't know what the writers intentions are with these storylines.

There was Abigail in her full, take no responsibility, every" mode.  The whole conversation between her and Eli rang false to me, considering that up until that particular scene, they've both been scornful and dismissive of each other.  Abigail has a legitimate gripe with Gabi but so does Gabi with her, and Abigail going off to Grandma's house of a few weeks of shock treatments and hot cocoa doesn't make what Gabi went through because of her any less horrendous. If she just accepted responsibility for her own actions it would go such a long way to actually making her the better person, instead of just the favored one.

Anyone else having trouble hearing Chad?  All he seems to do is mumble and sneer.  

Plot plot plot, I know, but it makes no sense that Lani would be friendly with Kristen after all Kristen has done.  

I enjoyed the scene with Hina and Kate and enjoyed every scene with Roman today.  Poor Hina, what's a Princess to do when your tiara has been taken as evidence?  Maybe she can wear a colander until she gets it back.

[Frozendiva]

Roman got a new hairstyle, or had an unfortunate incident with a kitchen utensil.

Abigail, please comb the back of your hair. It looked like a rat nest. And who are you to be all Judgy McJudy toward anyone, really? You don't own anything you have ever done! Gabi and you are pretty much even. Stop being so holeyer than thou - I am using holes for donut holes. The comment about the convent was funny but seriously, those two women have been there for a year and you bet they know all about each others' business. Too bad they didn't go to some nice shops in Rome to buy some nice clothes.

Nice of Kristen to call Chad when he is with Gabi.

Marlena, you could just leave Hope's gift with her things - if they haven't been already picked up.

Kate and Steveno? Er, um, no thank you. The boot was for comedy relief. Who cares if she had an overnight guest?

Princess Gina's Claire's jewelry shop tiara being valuable? Real diamonds? Seriously?

Celeste is right that Stefano but not Stefano is back. Nice of the Mayor to use the Seer Secret Service to help him out with things.

Marlena, you can't just assume folks are home when you wish to drop off gifts.

[nilyank]

2 hours ago, kitmerlot1213 said:

Is Abigail kidding with her "Lani is sweet and compassionate" and that she lied to JJ about being the father of her baby because she loved him?  And I loved Abs' dismissive "I was mentally ill when I hurt Gabi" --it's good to see that she hasn't grown emotionally one iota.

 

Abigail joked Kristen and Lani as belonging to the Sisters of the Homicidal Nymphos. That's plural. So besides Kristen, she thinks that Lani is a killer and a slut. 

Takes one to know one.

Edited December 21, 2019 by nilyank

[Petunia13]

Yeah that didn’t sit well with me when she  said indignantly to Eli when he mentioned her equally problematic behavior “that was different, I was mentally ill.” 🖐 hold up. Did it ever occur to her Gabi has had trauma, depression, or ptsd? Or when she talks shit about Kristen, who I also dislike, but it’s pretty much indisputable that Kristen has an undiagnosed personality disorder. This show really cherry picks “okay this person over there (Abby or Ben) should face zero judgement or accountability for anything because mental issues.” But people who openly have mental or emotional issues like Kristen, Gabi, Claire, Jordan can be candid about their pain and still be called pieces of shit or mocked even by those who skated for the same excuses! 

Steve/Stefano looks good for the actor being 68 irl.