S12.E08: It Takes a Villain

[endure]

On 6/29/2022 at 5:24 PM, Yours Truly said:

There it is!! I don’t care what anyone says, I hear Dorit when I hear her mom talk. The sharpness in some places and abrupt ending for some words and deliberate enunciation. It’s a a daughter picking up an accent FROM an accent and not because of actually being fluent in another language and having to learn English. Now it makes perfect sense why Dorit sounds like she’s faking an accent. She’s mimicking an accent that worked it’s way into her development of speech as she was growing up. You can’t convince me otherwise. 

Yep I totally think the same.

[endure]

On 6/29/2022 at 5:41 PM, Mindthinkr said:

I can’t believe Diana gave Garcelle a copy of her book as a present. How thoughtful (little to no thought) 

And to actually decorate it in flowers, very bizarre 🙄😵‍💫😵

[Feline Goddess]

Diana said her book is no longer available which makes it so 'exclusive'. More like it didn't garner enough sales to warrant a second printing. Also, sounds like most of the copies are at Diana's house. 

Sutton was trying (again) to empathize with Diana by saying she understood what she was going through because she'd had a couple of miscarriages herself. I know people who'll share their own story in order to hijack a conversation, but that's not what Sutton was doing. This time or on the boat.  

Diana's boytoy Asher is definitely her bitch. I wish Kyle would stop fawning over Diana's jewelry and handbags. That's why she'll never stop showing off, because she has an audience. 

I don't get the obsession over Birkins. Anyone considering buying one should be required to watch a video about how they're made ... skinning crocodiles alive.  

I laughed at Kyle's explanation of using Pasadena as an excuse for declining an invitation. 

I thought Garcelle's son Oliver was married? I loved her no-qualms answers to the questions about Crystal, Diana & Erika on WWHL. 

Rob seems like a good guy. If Crystal's brother was overseas for a year, he most likely gave up his apartment or sold his house in California, which is why he was crashing at the Minkoffs when he came home. It doesn't mean he's mooching off of Rob. 

Dorit seems to have a close relationship with everyone in her family. So props to her for that. I loved Phoenix crossing out the brand name on the gift bag and writing her own. Her kids are precocious without being obnoxious. So another brownie point for that achievement. 

I wasn't paying attention during the filming of Erika's infomercial or photoshoot for her hair extensions. I guess she's gotta find a new gig since Wife Of Old Geezer flamed out so spectacularly - right along with her Pat The Puss World Tour. That's such a shame because she was so close to being bigger than Lady Gaga. LOL The HWs bounce from one vanity project to another. At least Garcelle has been an actress for a couple of decades and Sutton has owned her store for many years. You need a score card to keep up with the 'careers' of most of them. 

Rinna was Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? this episode, so nothing to add about her. 

Edited July 1, 2022 by Feline Goddess

[Marley]

Diana just sucks. Such a fake dumb bitch. There’s nothing about her I like. Her husband is such a joke too. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

19 minutes ago, Feline Goddess said:

I wasn't paying attention during the filming of Erika's infomercial or photoshoot for her hair extensions. I guess she's gotta find a new gig since Wife Of Old Geezer flamed out so spectacularly - right along with her Pat The Puss World Tour. That's such a shame because she was so close to being bigger than Lady Gaga. LOL

Immediately after this segment, my cable company ran an ad for some new pharmaceutical showing a big woman with stick-straight long platinum blonde hair, wearing huge sunglasses. I thought Bravo was showing Erika when the paparazzi catch her making a TJMaxx run.

[BlueHawk]

Kyle must've misread the invitation and thought Garcelle was having a pool party thus she showed up in a bathing suit & an almost cover-up.

Erica, on the other hand, had flashback to her childhood trailer court & dressed for a combination tupperware/ sex toy sales event. And just to fancy up she purloined some neighbor kids Barbies, cut off all the dolls hair & made a ponytail for herself.

Has anyone else here read "Bringing Home the Birkin"? A fun, light non-fiction read by a young man who accidentally found himself in possession of a Birkin. When he decides to sell it he discovers there's a huge lucrative market for used & older Birkins-- all person to person sales, word of mouth. He manages to make solid income enough to move to Barcelona and live happily bouncing Birkins from person to person. There's evidently a whole world ( & economy) out there based on these bags. 🙄 SMH

Edited July 1, 2022 by BlueHawk
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On 6/29/2022 at 5:49 PM, Straycat80 said:

Diana is very materialistic, ‘that bag is a quarter of a million dollars’ 🙄 She doesn’t understand what bed rest means either. 

say what you want about Kyle but I’m impressed a woman her age can do the splits.

And I’m not a fan of Kyle but she has really cracked me up a few times this season and nor has she annoyed me as much as she usually does…… wtf?

[endure]

On 6/29/2022 at 7:30 PM, Jel said:

Did I just hear Erika refer to her grandmother as “that little bitch”. 
She gives try hards a bad name.

Go clean your gross pool, Erica

I think sometimes she tries to make memes

[Baltimore Betty]

Diana has a gazillion dollars and yet her hair was so messy at Garcelle's party, Erika no longer has a gazillion dollars yet manages to have a glam squad, I mean sure they steer her wrong a lot but she has them.

Is Erika trying to be a celebrity spokesperson for TJ Maxx? She was photographed shopping there and at the party she was introduced to someone and said she ran into her at TJ Maxx.  It seems that she is trying for some sort of gig that pays instead of paying for a gig.

I have been in a couple of TJ Maxx's that had high end stuff, (one in Wayne PA and the other in Boca Raton, FL), in my opinion they are not bargains in that they are more than the average shirt or pants in that store but if I wanted a designer blouse it would be at a discount there...I wonder if Erika is shopping in one of those Runway Stores and angling for a commercial.

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Immediately after this segment, my cable company ran an ad for some new pharmaceutical showing a big woman with stick-straight long platinum blonde hair, wearing huge sunglasses. I thought Bravo was showing Erika when the paparazzi catch her making a TJMaxx run.

I always think that woman is Erika!

[hoodooznoodooz]

15 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Raise your hand if youre Team "I heard Diana say $4mm when she was at the bar and the purse was behind her and she snagged it and said $4mm and its just lying here, and her husband said "should I take it to the car" and she said 'No'"  

I watched this scene again. She says, “quarter million,” but does not enunciate at all, and, just in general, her articulation is lazy.

It sounds like “core million.” But with inferior audio and background noise, it sounds a lot like “four million.”

[FlyingEgret]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Diana has a gazillion dollars and yet her hair was so messy at Garcelle's party, Erika no longer has a gazillion dollars yet manages to have a glam squad, I mean sure they steer her wrong a lot but she has them.

Well, Diana did just pull herself out of prescribed bedrest - she can rally for a birthday party, but having someone wash and style her hair would have been just too much. Or maybe all that Campari was leaking out her scalp too...

[CallmeCray]

10 hours ago, Starlight925 said:

Did I hear her right, that her diamond-studded handbag she had at Garcelle's party was $4 MILLION?

I heard “quarter of a million”.   Still ridiculous, IMO!  

[Chatty Cake]

4 hours ago, BlueHawk said:

Kyle must've misread the invitation and thought Garcelle was having a pool party thus she showed up in a bathing suit & an almost cover-up.

Erica, on the other hand, had flashback to her childhood trailer court & dressed for a combination tupperware/ sex toy sales event. And just to fancy up she purloined some neighbor kids Barbies, cut off all the dolls hair & made a ponytail for herself.

Has anyone else here read "Bringing Home the Birkin"? A fun, light non-fiction read by a young man who accidentally found himself in possession of a Birkin. When he decides to sell it he discovers there's a huge lucrative market for used & older Birkins-- all person to person sales, word of mouth. He manages to make solid income enough to move to Barcelona and live happily bouncing Birkins from person to person. There's evidently a whole world ( & economy) out there based on these bags. 🙄 SMH

I read the Birkin book several years ago. The method back in the day was to build a relationship with a sales rep by buying scarves and other pricey stuff and then when the store gets a Birkin that sales rep would hopefully call you. Did the author get banned from Hermes? I seem to remember that.

I loved that Garcelle said she couldn’t wrap her mind around paying that much for a bag. Such a nice contrast to the snooty Diana.  I also liked how Garcelle wanted to dance and have fun.
Dear Bravo, can I please not see 50 year old women doing splits? 

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

On 6/29/2022 at 7:41 PM, Mindthinkr said:

I can’t believe Diana gave Garcelle a copy of her book as a present. How thoughtful (little to no thought) 

Yeah, just what Garcelle always wanted - a naked pic of Rinna.

[Keywestclubkid]

47 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

I loved that Garcelle said she couldn’t wrap her mind around paying that much for a bag. Such a nice contrast to the snooty Diana.  I also liked how Garcelle wanted to dance and have fun.
 

Full disclosure ON WWHL Garcelle did say that she bought one and kept it on the kitchen counter for days because if she left it down there she wouldn't have "really" bought it.. 

[Rlb8031]

16 hours ago, ichbin said:

It's interesting that Sutton and now Garcelle are being targeted by this beast.  Hmmmm, could it be because these are the two non-suck ups who are willing to call things out for what they really are and therefore are a threat to the those with both skeletons and questionable personas?

Could it have anything to do with the fact that they were two of the three housewives who publicly called BS on Erica's story? Erica alluded to being pissed at all of them for some article, then viola! Diana hates them🤔🧐🙄

[janiema]

1 hour ago, Chatty Cake said:

I read the Birkin book several years ago. The method back in the day was to build a relationship with a sales rep by buying scarves and other pricey stuff and then when the store gets a Birkin that sales rep would hopefully call you. Did the author get banned from Hermes? I seem to remember that.

I loved that Garcelle said she couldn’t wrap her mind around paying that much for a bag. Such a nice contrast to the snooty Diana.  I also liked how Garcelle wanted to dance and have fun.
Dear Bravo, can I please not see 50 year old women doing splits? 

As long as production will film Kyle doing splits she will. Camera time is Kyle’s raison d’etre.

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

Oh Sutton, although you are doing better it is so easy for you to fall apart when attacked. I completely understand because I am the same way. I remember when I was in high school and some mean girls had targeted me, a friend gave me a great piece of advice. She said don’t worry about the opinions of people you don’t like, love or respect. Since those mean girls didn’t fit into any of those categories, I stopped caring about what they said to and about me. Nothing upsets a mean bitch more than being ignored. Diana would have lost her mind if Sutton had said “I am sorry you feel that way, but ok” and then walked away.

Sutton had the right idea trying to walk away and Kyle is a stealth bitch for restraining her to stay.  

I love we are seeing that Garcelle and Sutton have a real friendship instead of a show friendship. When Sheree and Sutton saw each other, you could tell they had met and were friends, which shows Garcelle had included Sutton into her real friend group. And I bet Garcelle and Sutton’s bestie Jennifer Tilly are the same way. We really need a scene of Garcelle, Sutton, Sheree and Jennifer at a beautiful restaurant overlooking the ocean drinking cocktails and talking smack. That would be awesome - Bravo make it happen!

[Cosmocrush]

9 hours ago, Feline Goddess said:

Dorit seems to have a close relationship with everyone in her family. So props to her for that. I loved Phoenix crossing out the brand name on the gift bag and writing her own. Her kids are precocious without being obnoxious. So another brownie point for that achievement. 

I forgot about that!   It was SO perfect for the label obsessed Dorit. 

[Natalie68]

16 hours ago, Jel said:

Kyle’s dress … seemed like she was going for 1960s playboy bunny, but ended up more Endora from bewitched.

Don't you be dissing Endora that way!  😆

[Natalie68]

14 hours ago, Starlight925 said:

I wonder if Diana's husband happily gave her half of his fortune in exchange for her silence.  If he was as tight with the E. man as has been rumored, then she is likely privy to a ton of info, not only about her husband, but of many high-level people, including celebs, musicians, and royalty.

She may very well have happily signed a non-disclosure, and he happily handed half his money, and all was well.

This is all conjecture, and not at all related to this episode, except the aforementioned scenes of her stuffing all her handbags into the hatchback during a raging forest fire in which she had, "like, 4 minutes" to leave.

Did I hear her right, that her diamond-studded handbag she had at Garcelle's party was $4 MILLION?

This is what I think.  And these secrets she may hold means she can get all sorts of checks for whatever charity she is using for publicity.  She isn't very smart, doesn't seem fun and there are loads of women who are much prettier.  And seriously, a lot of women give good blow jobs so it can't be that either. 

[Cosmocrush]

9 hours ago, Feline Goddess said:

I wasn't paying attention during the filming of Erika's infomercial or photoshoot for her hair extensions. I guess she's gotta find a new gig since Wife Of Old Geezer flamed out so spectacularly - right along with her Pat The Puss World Tour. That's such a shame because she was so close to being bigger than Lady Gaga. LOL The HWs bounce from one vanity project to another. At least Garcelle has been an actress for a couple of decades and Sutton has owned her store for many years. You need a score card to keep up with the 'careers' of most of them. 

LOL at Wife of Old Geezer flaming out with her World Tour!  

Kyle, Garcelle, and Rinna have long careers of their own. 

Sutton opened her store in 2019, around the time she joined the show. 

[TattleTeeny]

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Rewatching. Who, just WHO, refers to her grandmother as “that MFer”? Erika. I don’t care how close they were. That was beyond offensive. Same later, calling her a bitch. That was a new low from someone who I thought couldn’t get any lower. 

I'm at least as low. My grandma doesn't care and would do it right back to me as we laugh over gin & tonics. 

[Mar]

[Jel]

Cannot imagine my granny being cool about being called a motherfucker. Sexy motherfucker, maybe. 😏

[Mindthinkr]

4 minutes ago, Mar said:

Is she in some kind of lips contest with Rinna? 

[Jel]

7 minutes ago, Mar said:

Whoa. She looks like a blow up doll, number one. And two, are her teeth pink? 

[heatherchandler]

9 hours ago, Feline Goddess said:

I don't get the obsession over Birkins. Anyone considering buying one should be required to watch a video about how they're made ... skinning crocodiles alive. 

Thank you!  It is horrific.

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

Kyle’s dress … seemed like she was going for 1960s playboy bunny, but ended up more Endora from bewitched.

I was recently in Tulum and we were at a day club.. Kyle was wearing EXACTLY what the bottle service girls were wearing.  

26 minutes ago, Jel said:

Whoa. She looks like a blow up doll, number one. And two, are her teeth pink? 

It is her tongue, about to strike out to lick her lips.

[Sue Anne]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:23 AM, funnygirl said:

Erika's over-the-top reaction to Denise not showing up to the party is exactly why Denise didn't go to the party. Garcelle being upset about it is fair, but I hope she understands that perhaps Denise didn't want to go where she knew the Bravo Bravo fucking Bravo cameras would be with the majority of cast there… the cast who made Denise's time on the show hell. 

I agree.  If I left a job because it was a negative experience and there were co workers who made it awful for me, I would not later go back to what is essentially a "work party."  That's what this is for the housewives, even if officially it is for Garcelle's birthday and Denise is still friends with Garcelle.  If I were still close to one of my former co- workers and the work group was celebrating their birthday, I would not attend. I would apologize to my friend and take them out for their birthday seperately at another time.  Surely my friend would understand  that I would not want to engage with that same group that was so ugly to me when we worked together.

If this were real life, and not a reality TV show, Garcelle's party was big enough that Denise could have made an appearance to support and celebrate Garcelle, while not even having to engage with the other housewives much.  But with cameras there, they would have all tried to engage, cause drama, etc.  

The one reason why Garcelle might have expected Denise to attend, would be if Denise was hoping to get back on the show.  The party would have been a great way to get involved again.  Lisa R wasn't there, and there is a question about whether she lied about texting Denise to try to reconnect.  Denise and Garcelle could have controlled the narrative more easily without Lisa R there.   The fact that Denise did not show up tells me she is not trying to get back into the Housewives drama.  

Edited July 1, 2022 by Sue Anne

[kassa]

On 6/29/2022 at 8:06 PM, Surrealist said:

Garcelle, there is no such thing as a drama-free birthday on this show.

My impression of the scene was that both of them were laughing, speaking sarcastically. They knew.

I thought I'd like Diana, but... no.  I may have missed something, but I did get a vibe from the handbag scene that the boyfriend was the one who set it down and walked away, and she was calling him out on it, peeved. Maybe they have reached the point in the contract where the keep-er feels that the keep-ee is not properly respectful of the keep-er's money/property.  He may find himself dropped off at the next exit. In fact, this may be a new twist on the old husband-indulges-wife-to-get-her-on-show-with-her-own-income-stream-then-dumps-her housewife tradition. 

On 6/29/2022 at 9:04 PM, Straycat80 said:

She said during the Malibu fires, those were the things she threw in the back of her car to save when the fires were minutes away from her home. She’s materialistic. 

She's got a zillion homes, and probably very few actual personal items in any of them. They seem like practical choice to me. (Her clothing probably got whisked away by the same team that was already setting up her next stop)

On 6/29/2022 at 9:48 PM, ancslove said:

No, the English county really is pronounced NOR-fuck.  (Spelled Norfolk.)

Boston, MA is in Suffolk county and like in England, you just swallow the folk part. 

On 6/29/2022 at 11:15 PM, ichbin said:

I can't help think that she signs on for this show for some particular reason.  She apparently has plenty of money and already hangs out with the rich and famous (and infamous).  Supposedly a full life.  No business or product to pimp.  So again, why sign on  to be a housewife? 

My guess is that she's worn out her welcome in certain circles (for behavior similar to what we're seeing now).  When you're rich and unpleasant there are circles you'll be included in for events because they want your money, but they're not going to socialize with you. She seems to have done quite well with people in entertainment, but maybe that has dwindled. Could be a mid life crisis - as she ages out of getting photographed at all the "good" clubs she's panicking that she's irrelevant with the general public and needs a new world of attention coming her way.  She may not want to hang out with the average Bravo viewer, but she's probably super peeved that nobody in the US recognizes her.  

On 6/30/2022 at 8:10 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

So Crystal's brother is such the international rock star, (I am using that term loosely), and is so successful he has to squat at their house?  

A combination of cross promoting on the show (hell, why wouldn't you?) and why NOT stay in your family's home for a while if you are stuck in hotels half the year. Just walking down to the fridge in the middle of the night is probably fun.  

19 hours ago, Vanderboom said:

I tweeted a question about this to Andy, but it wasn't chosen. Surely Kyle must have something going on in her life other than intervening in other people's conflicts.

Kyle knows if she's stirring somebody else's pot the show isn't stirring hers. 

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

12 hours ago, Feline Goddess said:

Diana said her book is no longer available which makes it so 'exclusive

I guess many of the girls in the photos have aged out. Allegedly.

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Sue Anne said:

I agree.  If I left a job because it was a negative experience and there were co workers who made it awful for me, I would not later go back to what is essentially a "work party."  That's what this is for the housewives, even if officially it is for Garcelle's birthday and Denise is still friends with Garcelle.  If I were still close to one of my former co- workers and the work group was celebrating their birthday, I would not attend. I would apologize to my friend and take them out for their birthday seperately at another time.  Surely my friend would understand  that I would not want to engage with that same group that was so ugly to me when we worked together.

If this were real life, and not a reality TV show, Garcelle's party was big enough that Denise could have made an appearance to support and celebrate Garcelle, while not even having to engage with the other housewives much.  But with cameras there, they would have all tried to engage, cause drama, etc.  

The one reason why Garcelle might have expected Denise to attend, would be if Denise was hoping to get back on the show.  The party would have been a great way to get involved again.  Lisa R wasn't there, and there is a question about whether she lied about texting Denise to try to reconnect.  Denise and Garcelle could have controlled the narrative more easily without Lisa R there.   The fact that Denise did not show up tells me she is not trying to get back into the Housewives drama.  

Sometimes when an event is a while from now, even if it’s something that gives you some anxiety, you might think you’ll go. Then suddenly the date comes around and you think “ugh I just can’t do it.” I wonder if Denise initially wanted to celebrate Garcelle’s birthday then decided it wasn’t worth the headache. 

[Natalie68]

37 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Sometimes when an event is a while from now, even if it’s something that gives you some anxiety, you might think you’ll go. Then suddenly the date comes around and you think “ugh I just can’t do it.” I wonder if Denise initially wanted to celebrate Garcelle’s birthday then decided it wasn’t worth the headache. 

I am glad she didn't attend the party. I never want Rinna to get the opportunity to harass her again.  Now Bravo, rather than a racist hooker booker, can we please get Nicollette Sheridan???  Someone to make Rinna squirm?

[goofygirl]

On 6/30/2022 at 9:32 AM, Bronzedog said:

And now she probably has glaucoma.

OR.... exploding cataracts?

[goofygirl]

20 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Shut up, Rinna. 

and NOBODY is afraid of you either, skanky.

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

I am betting Denise didn’t come to Garcelle’s party because Bravo wouldn’t pay her, and if that is the case I wouldn’t blame her one bit.

[Pattycake2]

Kim Kardashian has been touting (probably paid to do so) Diana’s neuro brand drinks. No wonder Rinna is supporting Diana.  Anything to get her and her spawn closer to the Kardashians..

[Yours Truly]

On 6/30/2022 at 1:45 AM, glowbug said:

I present Dorit speaking in 2013:

There is a hint of an accent in some of her pronunciations but nothing like the accent she has now and has had her entire time on the show. And, yes, she and PK had been dating for a couple years at the time of the video.

She enunciates more now and speaks a bit slower. I still hear the same Dorit. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Mstk3000]

On 6/29/2022 at 7:59 PM, Straycat80 said:

I’m disappointed Denise did not show up.

I'm not.  I think Denise would gladly attend a birthday party for Garcelle, if it were not also a "Real Housewives event."  If I were her, I would have no interest in ever seeing any of these women (except for Garcelle) again.

[CallmeCray]

2 hours ago, Pattycake2 said:

Kim Kardashian has been touting (probably paid to do so) Diana’s neuro brand drinks. No wonder Rinna is supporting Diana.  Anything to get her and her spawn closer to the Kardashians..

Rinna is such a shameless suck-ass.  It’s amazing she has any lips left!  Oh, wait…

[Mar]

True? Hmmm…

[ladle]

I dislike Diana as much as the next viewer, but unless there was something we didn't see, the women seemed pretty cavalier about her medical issues!  There seemed to be like... zero reaction to the very graphic description she shared in the group text?  Kyle just fixated on the dig at Garcelle as a point of juicy gossip.  And when Sutton approached Diana at the party, it was *not* from a place of concern.  Again, really hoping there was a kernel of empathy somewhere there that we just didn't see. 

LOL at Diana, Kyle, and Sutton trying to figure out if Diana was aggressive or passive aggressive.  That's a real MENSA meeting right there.   

On a lighter note, Garcelle looks amazing for 55!  I thought she was in her early/mid 40's. 

Edited July 2, 2022 by ladle

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, ladle said:

I dislike Diana as much as the next viewer, but unless there was something we didn't see, the women seemed pretty cavalier about her medical issues!  There seemed to be like... zero reaction to the very graphic description she shared in the group text?  Kyle just fixated on the dig at Garcelle as a point of juicy gossip.  And when Sutton approached Diana at the party, it was *not* from a place of concern.  Again, really hoping there was a kernel of empathy somewhere there that we just didn't see. 

LOL at Diana, Kyle, and Sutton trying to figure out if Diana was aggressive or passive aggressive.  That's a real MENSA meeting right there.   

On a lighter note, Garcelle looks amazing for 55!  I thought she was in her early/mid 40's. 

You don’t have Major surgery then go swim in the ocean one and you arnt bleeding to death with your doctor saying medical bed rest then 2 days later walking around a birthday party .. it doesn’t matter how rich you are it’s not medically possible… 

[ladle]

2 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

You don’t have Major surgery then go swim in the ocean one and you arnt bleeding to death with your doctor saying medical bed rest then 2 days later walking around a birthday party .. it doesn’t matter how rich you are it’s not medically possible… 

I mean, I'm not a medical doctor.  I don't know what her condition was or what she could or couldn't do.  Maybe TMI, but I once ran a conference while having a miscarriage because it was the culmination of 1.5 years of my work.  I do know that if someone sent me that in a group text, even if I didn't like them very much and even if I was skeptical, I would at least express some sort of concern regarding what they're going through.  It just seems like, at the very least, very bad optics to approach her aggressively with, "So, you're supposed to be on bed rest but you're here, huh?" and not "Oh my gosh, how are you?"    

[ladle]

Also (and again, I'm not a medical doctor!) I'm pretty convinced that Diana has PPD or some sort of psychiatric condition related to her stillbirth (and maybe also to her childhood?) -- which would explain her flat affect and some of the way she's behaving.  

Again, I say this as someone who does not like Diana at all.  

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, ladle said:

I mean, I'm not a medical doctor.  I don't know what her condition was or what she could or couldn't do.  Maybe TMI, but I once ran a conference while having a miscarriage because it was the culmination of 1.5 years of my work.  I do know that if someone sent me that in a group text, even if I didn't like them very much and even if I was skeptical, I would at least express some sort of concern regarding what they're going through.  It just seems like, at the very least, very bad optics to approach her aggressively with, "So, you're supposed to be on bed rest but you're here, huh?" and not "Oh my gosh, how are you?"    

A doctor doesn’t just suggest bed rest is what I’m saying … it’s not oh Well it’s up to you .. she was trying to weaponize this and it backfired 

[ladle]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

A doctor doesn’t just suggest bed rest is what I’m saying … it’s not oh Well it’s up to you .. she was trying to weaponize this and it backfired 

Man, you all on the board are a tough crowd this season!  I believe that Dorit has PTSD from being held at gunpoint, and I believe that Diana went through a medical trauma.  I believe that these things can be true regardless of whether they tried to milk or weaponize those experiences.  And I have empathy for these women regardless of whether I like them (which I do not).  We can agree to disagree! 

But hopefully we can all kumbaya around the fact that 1. Erika deserves zero empathy and 2. Kyle needs to never do the splits again.  

[ladle]

On 6/30/2022 at 8:12 PM, Flutterby said:

I agree with the accent thing.  My parents were both from the  Appalachian Mountains.  They moved to the Midwest and had kids but their way of speaking greatly influenced me and my siblings speech patterns.  To this day, people will ask me where I'm from. 

Is it just me or did Dorit briefly have a Bronx accent at some points in this episode?

[Keywestclubkid]

44 minutes ago, ladle said:

Man, you all on the board are a tough crowd this season!  I believe that Dorit has PTSD from being held at gunpoint, and I believe that Diana went through a medical trauma.  I believe that these things can be true regardless of whether they tried to milk or weaponize those experiences.  And I have empathy for these women regardless of whether I like them (which I do not).  We can agree to disagree! 

But hopefully we can all kumbaya around the fact that 1. Erika deserves zero empathy and 2. Kyle needs to never do the splits again.  

IF her health was that bad (as the text implied) she should have stayed home there’s nothing to empathize with there. This was a reality show she chose a show over health in that moment then ..it doesn’t come across as brave or empowering really it comes off as vaped and shallow that a reality show would take presidencies over a medical emergency especially when you don’t need that reality show AT all irl and kinda comes across as a slap in the face to the millions of women who don’t have the choice between medical emergencies and employment every day.

Could she have been going through something 100% do I think she’s lying out of her ass about the seriousness of it to weaponize it against these woman to make her seem like the put upon innocent women and how dare they attack her 100% especially when she came to that party with ILL intent from jump 

but that’s just my opinion on it ..

Edited July 2, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[Jel]

1 hour ago, ladle said:

I mean, I'm not a medical doctor.  I don't know what her condition was or what she could or couldn't do.  Maybe TMI, but I once ran a conference while having a miscarriage because it was the culmination of 1.5 years of my work.  I do know that if someone sent me that in a group text, even if I didn't like them very much and even if I was skeptical, I would at least express some sort of concern regarding what they're going through.  It just seems like, at the very least, very bad optics to approach her aggressively with, "So, you're supposed to be on bed rest but you're here, huh?" and not "Oh my gosh, how are you?"    

I didn’t think about their reactions at the time, but you are right. It was a lot of Kyle (typical!) subtly expressing her disapproval at the details (heavy sighs, eyerolls, “oh geez” type behavior). Her reaction to the shot at Garcelle only came after all the faces she was making about the story. 
It is also possible that she didn’t believe Diana I guess. But mostly I think Kyle could not pass up the opportunity to practice her shtick.