S12.E03: There's Sutton about Crystal

[princelina]

2 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

I just love Garcelle, she is NOT going to fall for all of FFF's bullshit, and will not play the nasty FFF's games or be manipulated by them.

Hang in there Sutton, you have nothing wrong, keep refusing to play the FFF's games. Your apology to Dorit was real and I am glad she understood and accepted it. 

So Kyle tried to stir shit, Garcelle shut it down, Crystal told Sutton, and Sutton apologized publicly to Dorit, who accepted the apology.  That's actually how REAL "real housewives" deal with things.  There was no need for Garcelle to bring it up again to be rehashed.

2 hours ago, janiema said:

I think Kathy is restrained rather than fake. Kim’s experience on the show may have been different if Kathy had been there to support her. As it turned out, Kim was just prey to someone who has big sister resentment issues. 

I guess I'm full of unpopular opinions tonight, but Kim was a nasty, manipulative addict.  I think Kyle has "paying your bills and watching out for your kids while you do whatever the hell you want and treat me like crap" issues with Kim.  

[SemiCharmedLife]

1 hour ago, dbell1 said:

Can we throw Kyle out of her own house? I swear the only redeeming feature she has is her dogs. Dogs are smart, they know Rinna will only push the food around.

Dead!

[Ms Blue Jay]

Is Sutton going to be called to the carpet to be forced to apologize to these harpies every episode?  Has that been every episode this season so far?

God, Diana is a snob and a half.  It's going to be extremely hard for me to stomach if I keep watching.

The money is wasted on Diana.  She just wears black!    Nothing she wears looks that great!

I think Dorit got another lip job recently.  Lisa clearly did (I almost called her Billie.  I was raised on DOOL.)

Edited May 26, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[SemiCharmedLife]

Well, the gang up on Sutton is in full effect.  I think Sutton brings some of this on herself, with her insensitive comments, but she is more than willing to apologize and try to explain her thinking.  But, for everyone, except Garcelle and maybe Crystal, to criticize and berate Sutton at every opportunity must feel pretty awful.  And, that is apparently the thanks she gets for spending $11,000 on a charity dinner for Lisa and Harry... 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Diana:  Can I say something?  I've been quietly observing, and I know who the top dogs are.  I'm going to get in with them, and bully the weak.  Am I doing well?

Kyle and Dorit:  Yes.

I wish Crystal could explain herself better.  I understood her point completely.  You can't tell Sutton she wasn't feeling empathetic because that's in her own head .  You can't tell Crystal she wasn't feeling violated because that's in her own head.  And yet, that's what Kyle does.  Kyle is so good at screaming at people until they are too confused to articulate themselves.

I can't wait until it comes out what really happened.   

Crystal and Garcelle looked gorgeous though.

Watching this shit makes me feel so uncomfortable.  I obviously have an addiction problem to this show.  I have to do something, get addicted to something else LOL.

Dorit:  (SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF HER LUNGS) "I care about yoU!!!  DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT"

At least Diana had the assertiveness to peace out at the right time.  I do like that.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Ms Blue Jay

[Talented Tenth]

Last week, "everyone" was loving Diana, but this week since she called out Sutton, the tables have turned.  🙄

I think Crystal's point was that when Sutton did something Crystal took offense to, they all wanted to give Sutton the benefit of the doubt and dismiss Crystal, but now that Sutton has offended them, they are like dogs with bones.

This season is so messy.

[Ms Blue Jay]

4 hours ago, Axie said:

Sutton must really want to be on this show because there’s no way I would put up with this shit if I had her money.  Hell, I wouldn’t put up with it under any circumstances.   Kyle is really being a bitch.  What do you know about the truth being told, Erika?

Good.  Point.  You are so right.

[Door County Cherry]

4 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Kathy’s on WWHL, which I’m not watching. Is she a Friend Of this season? We need her and her butler to come back and save this shitshow.

I think that Kathy and Paris appearance was from last year. 

I'll spoiler tag spec of where Kathy might be in the early episodes but it's not really a BIG spoiler--just some media stuff.

Spoiler

Didn't she hold out for more money?  These episodes might be filming while she was in negotiations.  

[CallmeCray]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

But isn't this the same person that is spending a ton of money digging out the basement so her husband can make a full golf swing?

I actually respect her for this one - it’s for her hub, and considering the fact that he’s the one bringing in the big dough, I think it’s cool that she seems to want him to be able to enjoy it.   I could be wrong, but that’s the feeling I’ve gotten when she’s talked about it on camera.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

That comment about not buying anything retail was awesome.  Extremely relatable.  Gifts are different.  Some people love to spoil but feel awkward spoiling themselves.  (I myself have no problem with it.)

[RealHousewife]

The Fox force 5 or whatever don’t seem to realize how aggressive they are. I felt bad for Sutton even though I found her initial I’ve been putting out fires all day comment bizarre. She didn’t deserve the gang-up, and I don’t blame Crystal for having enough either. 

Garcelle is the best. I agree with the post about wanting a show with just those three and leaving the mean girls out. 

[CallmeCray]

4 hours ago, janiema said:

I think Garcelle may be my all-time favorite Housewife. She stands up for herself and her friends. She calls out the stupidity. If a Garcelle had been added to RHONY instead of Eboni that franchise would have done better. Garcelle is the best.

TRUTH!!!

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I wish Crystal could explain herself better.  I understood her point completely.  You can't tell Sutton she wasn't feeling empathetic because that's in her own head .  You can't tell Crystal she wasn't feeling violated because that's in her own head. 

100000%

[Hiyo]

Quote

Also, I assume this cast can't take an out of country vacay because of Erika?

From the previews

Spoiler

it looks like they will be visiting Mexico this season.

[film noire]

13 hours ago, princelina said:

There was no need for Garcelle to bring it up again to be rehashed.

I think there was a need (at least for my sanity!) because Kyle clearly intended to bring up Sutton's comment on the regular, and by forcing the issue, Garcelle forced Kyle's hand. It will be much harder now for Kyle to pretend she's in empathetic need of discussing Sutton's gun comment ad infinitum with her posse of assholes - Kyle will still try to do it, but Garcelle at least pulled the keys out of the Farce Four clown car. 

The disgust I feel every time I see Erika behaving as if she's been cleared of all fraud & criminal activity is beyond measure.  The only thing she's innocent of is decency - hasn't a lick of it, anywhere - and watching her swan around as if she possesses the moral weight of Mother Theresa would be amusing, if not for the burn victims she grifted.  God bless Fancy Drew for refusing to apologize, back down,  or validate Erika's denial of her corrupt and sticky fingers - for all her supposed awkwardness, Sutton is grace personified on that front.

Edited May 26, 2022 by film noire

[Keywestclubkid]

5 hours ago, Talented Tenth said:

Last week, "everyone" was loving Diana, but this week since she called out Sutton, the tables have turned.  🙄

I

it might be the fact she made a generalized statement like she had been around these girls and Sutton more then 5secs at a dinner.. I mean that’s a bold statement for a woman who has only been told one side of a story to make especially when she was just caught in a lie for something as stupid as what her sign is to say someone is a liar and uncareful with her words .. I’m just throwing that out there 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[Nicmar]

11 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Wasn’t Shahida the one doing all of the work the last time Kyle ventured into the World O’Fashion? 

And is Rinna missing her pants?

Those Caftans that Kyle likes to wear, that was the last thing they did.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Erika comes across as really pathetic, bitter, slovenly, unoriginal and delusional.

[Mr. Miner]

9 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

Erika is not earning her paycheck this year. Also, I assume this cast can't take an out of country vacay because of Erika?

Just leave the repulsive bitch and her skeevy "creative director" at home.

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Miner said:

Just leave the repulsive bitch and her skeevy "creative director" at home.

she can't afford to heat her own pool but can afford to keep Mikey? 

[Stats Queen]

7 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Okay, I read here that Erika’s Burberry jumpsuit was ugly. But that still didn’t prepare me for that hideous schmatta.

Ugly colors. Ugly flowers. 

On an ugly person.

[RoseAllDay]

10 hours ago, Axie said:

You know what might help Dorito heal?  Maybe not talking about the break in every minute of everyday.

I’m glad Dorit’s getting professional help for it, what with her chest pains, anxiety, and sleeplessness. The last thing she needs is Concern Troll Kyle wringing hands and making her the weapon of choice as Kyle goes after almost everybody else in that group to assert dominance. I’m half wondering if Kyle isn’t jealous of all the attention Dorit’s gotten.

Add me to the long list of people who can’t stand Kyle. Bossy, judgmental mean girl.

[RoseAllDay]

11 hours ago, Emmeline said:

As it appears the season may be a gang up on Sutton, I am remembering the RHONY season when Dorinda and some of the others bullied Tinsley Mortimer.  Tinsley wasn’t even a very interesting cast member but it’s human nature to root for the underdog and that’s what the watchers did.  

I’ve realize why Kyle brought her dogs, they would eat all the leftover food on the plates and she won’t need a cleanup team in the morning.

Dorinda was a dead-on-her-ass mean drunk. What’s happening to Sutton is just intentionally mean. 

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, RoseAllDay said:

Dorinda was a dead-on-her-ass mean drunk. What’s happening to Sutton is just intentionally mean. 

100% ... 

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

it might be the fact she made a generalized statement like she had been around these girls and Sutton more then 5secs at a dinner.. I mean that’s a bold statement for a woman who has only been told one side of a story to make especially when she was just caught in a lie for something as stupid as what her sign is to say someone is a liar and uncareful with her words .. I’m just throwing that out there 

Exactly.

I'm not a Diana fan. In another thread, I referred to her (basically) as a Eurotrash golddigger.

Word is she is/was a Hollywood madam. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Surrealist

[Lassus]

Agree with all the above that this episode was worth it just for Kyle's dogs. 

I know Kyle deserves the hate she gets, but she does seem to be really caring for her dogs and love them, so that's something.

[howivesforever]

Just now, Lassus said:

Agree with all the above that this episode was worth it just for Kyle's dogs. 

I know Kyle deserves the hate she gets, but she does seem to be really caring for her dogs and love them, so that's something.

What it shows me is Kyle is to lazy to actually stick to the training she paid for the dogs to receive. She’s has no follow through. I have 3 labs and they would never be allowed to eat peoples food off peoples  plates or the counter. 

[tranquilidade]

Sutton is really strange on many levels but I do think she was  being authentic.  Why would she care about Dorit at all?  She doesn't like her and never will. She didn't care about what happened and came over to film with Kyle and had a plan of what was going to be filmed and Dorit's story wasn't part of it.  She wanted to dismiss it from the conversation and did it awkwardly giving Kyle something to use against her, which is Kyle's specialty. Dorit showed the same empathy anyone would have for someone who is either disliked or despised.  

The friendships are all an act for the show, I think they all hate each other. I bet all of them have a person in mind who they want ON the show and someone who should go OFF the show to make room--and that's what we are watching. 

I'm not sure Dorit's story is even true at this point, with that detail about the alarm being shut off.  It's very questionable to say the least. So if people don't feel sorry for her I get it.

After watching Kyle over the years, she has an obsession with making people admit they are wrong and she herself is always right.  I can't imagine any relationship she has with anyone can work with this habit.  She pounds on people, demands they admit she is right and leaves no room for resolution. She is so ego centric and in need to be the center of attention and to be right that living with her must be nothing short of impossible.  

Edited May 26, 2022 by tranquilidade
Typo!

[Keywestclubkid]

9 minutes ago, howivesforever said:

What it shows me is Kyle is to lazy to actually stick to the training she paid for the dogs to receive. She’s has no follow through. I have 3 labs and they would never be allowed to eat peoples food off peoples  plates or the counter. 

laugh oh guys dont mind that my dogs are slobbering all over things its ok go eat ....

NO 

[Lassus]

20 minutes ago, howivesforever said:

What it shows me is Kyle is to lazy to actually stick to the training she paid for the dogs to receive. She’s has no follow through. I have 3 labs and they would never be allowed to eat peoples food off peoples  plates or the counter. 

There are also kitten videos to scowl at on the internet.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Lassus

[RoseAllDay]

18 minutes ago, howivesforever said:

What it shows me is Kyle is to lazy to actually stick to the training she paid for the dogs to receive. She’s has no follow through. I have 3 labs and they would never be allowed to eat peoples food off peoples  plates or the counter. 

Just coming here to say this…who would be cool with dogs slobbering in their food, sitting on their laps, or seeing them on counters?

I’m a dog lover till my dying day, but like with kids, I expect good behavior.

[Surrealist]

17 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

Sutton is really strange on many levels but I don't think she was  being authentic.  Why would she care about Dorit at all?  She doesn't like her and never will. She didn't care about what happened and came over to film with Kyle and had a plan of what was going to be filmed and Dorit's story wasn't part of it.  She wanted to dismiss it from the conversation and did it awkwardly giving Kyle something to use against her, which is Kyle's specialty.

I think Sutton apologized to diffuse this particular storyline (which we know will blow up even more next week). I don't think Sutton thinks much at all about Dorit, or about some of them. I think this is what most pisses off the FFF. Obviously they're all like this, on some level, in that they usually only care about themselves, but they still act as if Sutton is an easy target. At this point, she's well past the "giving a shit" stage.

I still don't think Sutton's non-reaction to Dorit's robbery was wrong. She explained, twice, why she didn't react from her own life experience. Why should it matter that much to Kyle whether someone Dorit's not even close to didn't fall down weeping over the terrible news? 

I've been robbed before. There are people who might think it's strange that I didn't cry, have a breakdown, or hide away at home for years after. We all react to things differently. No one way is the correct way.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Surrealist

[pasdetrois]

4 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

Why should it matter that much to Kyle whether someone Dorit's not even close to didn't fall down weeping over the terrible news? 

Because Kyle is too stupid to think of something else to talk about.

Also, she thinks she's so clever pandering to the producers. She thinks they and Andy are her best friends.

Edited May 26, 2022 by pasdetrois

[TV Diva Queen]

Kyle and her untrained dogs only shows me I'm still not participating in the Pot Luck and I don't care how rich you are.  If your dogs can't be trusted to NOT eat off guests plate and countertops then put them away when food and guests are over.  

[RoseAllDay]

7 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

Because Kyle is too stupid to think of something else to talk about.

Also, she thinks she's so clever pandering to the producers. She thinks they and Andy are her best friends.

How did that work out for Vicki Gunvalson? Andy got tired of her ass really quick when she started to take OC ownership.

I think it’s time to rotate Kyle OUT.

[TexasGal]

There were some early posts about Diana that I've moved over to her new thread.

[Keywestclubkid]

alright Kathy for nailing the hypocrisy of the girls 

[chlban]

6 hours ago, Hiyo said:

From the previews

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it looks like they will be visiting Mexico this season.

She hasn't been charged with a crime. I don't think they can stop her from traveling. What I want to know is why she keeps saying everything is resolved and all the things Sutton said about her last year have been proven false. WTH is her game? Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it? Or did I miss a major story? The money was stolen. Erika may, or may not, have known about the theft. A bunch of the money ended up in her Corporation and was spent on her. She totally does not give one f#@k about the victims. She lied repeatedly last year about accidents, head injuries, Tom never cheated, but he did, he was mean to her but called her every day to beg her to come back. Yada, Yada. But it's all resolved? Alrighty then. 

32 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

Because Kyle is too stupid to think of something else to talk about.

Also, she thinks she's so clever pandering to the producers. She thinks they and Andy are her best friends.

Kyle has always, always been a shit stirrer. She won't let it go. Vile Kyle.

[thesupremediva1]

4 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

alright Kathy for nailing the hypocrisy of the girls 

My God, that is Kyle personified. Kathy nailed her own sister.

Is this what Erika gets away with this season? Purporting a false narrative of exoneration while popping up in the background to berate Sutton at every turn and make every argument about herself? GOD BLESS SUTTON for refusing to excuse that cow. The rest of them make me sick, kowtowing to the bully.

I don't buy Dorit's break-in storyline for a minute. In fact, I'm starting to wonder if she and Erika may have cooked it up together - it takes heat off EJ and gives boring old Dorito a massive sympathy ploy in addition to relevance. 

I think everyone was wrong last night - and vastly unlikeable. Kyle has decided Sutton doesn't meet her empathy scale, Erika continues to be disgusting, Rinna is an asshole enabler, Dorit is sucking up the attention, Crystal is a sensitive little flower who made no sense, Garcelle was needlessly stirring shit, Diana Jenkins SUCKS (this show needs an ally for Sutton, not a mouthpiece for Rinna or kiss-ass for Crystal), and Sutton has been ganged up on each and every episode. 

I really can't watch this anymore. Balance the scales or recast. I'm tired of Kyle, Rinna, Dorit, and especially Erika. They have a stranglehold on this city that's sucked the life out of it over the past 4 seasons. 

[Nicmar]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

she can't afford to heat her own pool but can afford to keep Mikey? 

and a personal assistant. How can she afford that? I bet she's a bitch to work for.

[Baltimore Betty]

14 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Paying retail for a top or investing in the house I mean if you wanted to get down to it the house is a smarter choice 

Yes it is a better investment but she made it sound like she was so frugal but we all saw that Hermes bag that Kyle couldn't take her eyes off of and to me she is dressing on trend so don't tap your last years Prada pumps at me @Keywestclubkid, lol.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Baltimore Betty

[amarante]

2 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

she can't afford to heat her own pool but can afford to keep Mikey? 

I think Mikey is *working* for free at this point since it gives him camera time. 

Unlike past seasons she doesn't seem to be shlepping the "glam squad" with her on trips and there didn't seem to be elaborate hair and makeup. 

I don't understand why anyone needs a "stylist" to advise them on what clothing to bring. I do understand how stylists work in terms of pulling together a look but if you have bought an outfit and have worn it presumably you know what to wear with it. And the outfits being worn by Erika at this point aren't particularly "styled" the way she used to style them. 

It is still not a great look for Erika but she has decided to remain completely defiant and tone deaf.

[Surrealist]

24 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

alright Kathy for nailing the hypocrisy of the girls 

My immediate thought is that she's shading Kyle.

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Yes it is a better investment but she made it sound like she was so frugal but we all saw that Hermes bag that Kyle couldn't take her eyes off of and to me she is dressing on trend so don't tap your last years Prada pumps at me @Keywestclubkid, lol.

LOL didn't she say she was gifted that bag from a friend ...cause RInna perked up at the reunion and said I want a friend like that :) 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[Baltimore Betty]

1 minute ago, amarante said:

I think Mikey is *working* for free at this point since it gives him camera time. 

Unlike past seasons she doesn't seem to be shlepping the "glam squad" with her on trips and there didn't seem to be elaborate hair and makeup. 

I don't understand why anyone needs a "stylist" to advise them on what clothing to bring. I do understand how stylists work in terms of pulling together a look but if you have bought an outfit and have worn it presumably you know what to wear with it. And the outfits being worn by Erika at this point aren't particularly "styled" the way she used to style them. 

It is still not a great look for Erika but she has decided to remain completely defiant and tone deaf.

Mikey pulls clothing off a rack in Erika's bedroom while she sits on the bed and rolls her eyes at his choices, these are clothes she already owns, I would have thought Mikey had selected those atrocious outfits prior to her packing for Palm Springs, maybe he can do a Garanimals thing for her.  What I have noticed is he did not do a look book for her this trip, he had done them in the past because with all Erika's self proclaimed style and knowledge of couture she is unable to put an outfit together.

She rolled her eyes at that super ugly Burberry jumpsuit but wore it anyway!  Super ugly on and off the hanger.

I don't want to brag but I ran out for kitty litter this morning, I selected my own outfit, jeans, white tee and a pink cardigan paired them with white slip on Keds so suck it Mikey, I can do it all by myself!

[Surrealist]

8 minutes ago, amarante said:

I think Mikey is *working* for free at this point since it gives him camera time. 

Unlike past seasons she doesn't seem to be shlepping the "glam squad" with her on trips and there didn't seem to be elaborate hair and makeup. 

I don't understand why anyone needs a "stylist" to advise them on what clothing to bring. I do understand how stylists work in terms of pulling together a look but if you have bought an outfit and have worn it presumably you know what to wear with it. And the outfits being worn by Erika at this point aren't particularly "styled" the way she used to style them. 

It is still not a great look for Erika but she has decided to remain completely defiant and tone deaf.

I understand using a stylist to get ready for a special event, but why in the hell does anyone need the services of a stylist on a daily basis? 

At some point, shouldn't you know how to dress yourself and have figured out what looks good and works for your body type?

Edited May 26, 2022 by Surrealist

[Baltimore Betty]

9 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I think Dorit got another lip job recently. 

It is part of her therapy for the break in, botox, lip fillers, new clothes, it is all part of therapy.

I think these women must have punch cards for the plastic surgeon's office, their 12th plumping is free.

[RoseAllDay]

12 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

I understand using a stylist to get ready for a special event, but why in the hell does anyone need the services of a stylist on a daily basis? 

At some point, shouldn't you know how to dress yourself and have figured out what looks good and works for your body type?

Status? One-upmanship? Inflated sense of self-importance? Poseurs?

I vote poseurs. But Erika’s glam squad with two racks of shitty clothes in her bungalow is just sad. 

[Surrealist]

6 minutes ago, RoseAllDay said:

Status? One-upmanship? Inflated sense of self-importance? Poseurs?

I vote poseurs. But Erika’s glam squad with two racks of shitty clothes in her bungalow is just sad. 

Every time I see Erika in that pool house, it sends me. What a demotion.

[Mar]

Kyle at Crystal’s house: I’m not trying to spark more issues, BUT…

OMG, STFU KYLE. I just can’t take anymore of her