S12.E03: There's Sutton about Crystal

[Mar]

I love Garcelle

[Keywestclubkid]

My question is does Kyle KNOW/think that something feels “off” about this “Home Invasion” and that’s what Dorit turned it into by saying they held her AT gun point and threatened her and her children's lives (that’s not a break in it’s a invasion) with the wonky other then the gun and threats were super accommodating to her and her children (ie the phone thing and keeping their voices down enough to not wake or disturb the children upstairs…wait didn’t she say they were shouting?)  and that’s why she’s going so hard to Deflect? I mean if you are busy screaming at this person maybe people won’t get into why this makes no sense

Cause I find it super ODD that this is the second time Dorit has been involved with something "shady" happening and again instead of that being the focus its its about someone ELSE again ...

Edited May 27, 2022 by Keywestclubkid

[Cosmocrush]

11 hours ago, Pattycake2 said:

I don’t remember who it was, although I think it was Rinna, saying on WWHL that the viewers would be surprised by Kathy’s behavior.. I have no doubt that they will try to go after Garcelle too.  It’s all so lame.

Agreed!  Sadly no one ever is surprised by Rinna's behavior.  She is horrible all the time. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

1 hour ago, byrd said:

Absolutely Kyle works overtime many seasons to take anyone down once she gets you into her crosshairs. Sutton is turning out to be a fan favorite now and Kyle has to take her out.

Kyle is not listening to anyone but herself, she's always right. Most important if it's paint's Sutton in a bad light which she is trying to dim. 

That's why I would have LOVED it if one of the ladies had pointed out, in the midst of Kyle yelling at Sutton: "Empathetic, like you were with Lisa V after her brother passed? "  That would have shut up Kyle immediately. Maybe.

[RealHousewife]

4 hours ago, Nicmar said:

Omg yes! I was thinking the same thing!! 

I'm glad at least one other person sees it. Was driving me crazy being the only one. lol

[pasdetrois]

8 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Mikey's revenge?

Place to store teeny airplane bottles of booze?

[princelina]

59 minutes ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

That's why I would have LOVED it if one of the ladies had pointed out, in the midst of Kyle yelling at Sutton: "Empathetic, like you were with Lisa V after her brother passed? "  That would have shut up Kyle immediately. Maybe.

She did get that question a couple weeks ago when she was on WWHL and said that she was wrong then too.  

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Mar said:

I love Garcelle

That was my favorite moment of the episode. Garcelle is so us watching at home! 

[WhatAmIWatching]

12 hours ago, JakeyJokes said:

Apologies if I missed this being brought up, but BOTH Kyle and Diana were right in the astrology conversation! Yes, the editors were shady by saying that Virgo season begins on August 23, but then Diana said “I have the charts”. This means that at the time of her birth, the sun was still in Leo — it would have entered Virgo at a later time on August 23. Your zodiac sign, per the one we identify as, is just your “sun sign”. I am biased because I love astrology but also because August 23 was my mom’s due date for me* and my best friend is August 22 (and barely a Leo). 
 

*But I was a preemie and thus ended up being a Cancer just like Erica, Rinna, and Dorit!

It's true. August 23rd is also my birthday!
  
My birth time is such that I am considered more on the Leo side of it all. I've always been told that I'm on the cusp. I'm a cusper! Some of the magazine/newspaper/etc horoscopes will have the breakdown ending Aug 22, but most have it as Aug 23. 

For my personality, I'm quite the mixture of both, which is really annoying to me -and probably everyone else! 

[Baltimore Betty]

1 minute ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

I'm a cusper!

Sounds like a Seinfeld bit, I can just hear George now, "I'm a Cusper, Jerry, a Cusper I tell you!"

[WhatAmIWatching]

1 minute ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Sounds like a Seinfeld bit, I can just hear George now, "I'm a Cusper, Jerry, a Cusper I tell you!"

Haha! This wins the "Sentences you can hear" category.

I might steal this, as I can do a passable George..

[SweetieDarling]

2 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Sounds like a Seinfeld bit, I can just hear George now, "I'm a Cusper, Jerry, a Cusper I tell you!"

I read that in George's voice too! lol 

[Baltimore Betty]

1 minute ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Haha! This wins the "Sentences you can hear" category.

I might steal this, as I can do a passable George..

I'd be honored!

1 minute ago, SweetieDarling said:

I read that in George's voice too! lol 

OMG! If ever there was a George Costanza line, this is it!

[Glama]

23 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Am I the only one who doesn't see Melania at all when I see Diana? 

To me it's like they made Jennifer Garner blonde and gave her an accent. 

I've been thinking Jennifer Garner all this while, wondering why no one else has noticed it 😅

[Natalie68]

On 5/25/2022 at 5:52 PM, RoseAllDay said:

Note to Erika — NOTHING has been settled, dear.

Kyle gets the train going and they all hop on. Ridiculous. People are allowed to have whatever feelings they have, as long as Kyle approves. Get over yourself.

Kyle was being an awful host making her friend feel uncomfortable and unsafe.  Such an asshole.  I like Sutton/Garcelle/Crystal.  Diane can go.  CANNOT stand her.  Who thought she would be a good idea?  Jesus.

[Boo Boo]

I'm not one of those that have disliked Kyle, but she's overanimated this season in her TH's for one, but she also seems to be getting off on the "I'm so empathetic I'm ugly crying."  Also, yay, another opening of a store with tacky AF Kyle style that will close just like the others have.

[CallmeCray]

1 hour ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

It's true. August 23rd is also my birthday!
  
My birth time is such that I am considered more on the Leo side of it all. I've always been told that I'm on the cusp. I'm a cusper! Some of the magazine/newspaper/etc horoscopes will have the breakdown ending Aug 22, but most have it as Aug 23. 

For my personality, I'm quite the mixture of both, which is really annoying to me -and probably everyone else! 

I’ve been told I’m a cusper, too - but I’m May 22nd and I have every single Gemini trait there is.  I can’t imagine that I could be any other sign - and my other personality can’t, either! 

[CallmeCray]

22 minutes ago, Boo Boo said:

I'm not one of those that have disliked Kyle, but she's overanimated this season in her TH's for one, but she also seems to be getting off on the "I'm so empathetic I'm ugly crying."  Also, yay, another opening of a store with tacky AF Kyle style that will close just like the others have.

I’m right there with you.  I’ve always had a soft spot for her because I’m a bit of an overly-empathetic sap, but she’s completely lost me this season.  

I think she’s absolutely full of shit and is merely playing the game this time around.  As inauthentic as they come.  I enjoyed the show more when I didn’t see her as just another asshole.  

Garcelle has me hanging in there, and I’ve been liking Crystal more and more. I just don’t have the patience or attention span to care about anyone who isn’t REAL anymore.  

Edited May 27, 2022 by CallmeCray

[Natalie68]

On 5/26/2022 at 9:39 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm sure Dorit told her to.  I'm sure this is all planned out.

My husband thinks the robbery was fake.  He thought one of the robbers looked like a woman.  They still have tax issues so maybe filing insurance claims to get $$?  

At this time, reports claim that Kemsley still owes $1.3 million in unpaid taxes to the IRS.

[Hiyo]

Kyle calling out Crystal for being overly dramatic is like Hannibal Lecter calling out someone for being too much of a cannibal. 

[Keywestclubkid]

11 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

My husband thinks the robbery was fake.  He thought one of the robbers looked like a woman.  They still have tax issues so maybe filing insurance claims to get $$?  

At this time, reports claim that Kemsley still owes $1.3 million in unpaid taxes to the IRS.

I mean they did just plop down 2.27 million for money owed to a casino … 

[RealHousewife]

50 minutes ago, Boo Boo said:

I'm not one of those that have disliked Kyle, but she's overanimated this season in her TH's for one, but she also seems to be getting off on the "I'm so empathetic I'm ugly crying."  Also, yay, another opening of a store with tacky AF Kyle style that will close just like the others have.

There are definitely people who think they come across as more softhearted if they cry, also those who weaponize tears-if they cry they must be innocent/the victim. So while sometimes seeing others can make me get emotional too if I really feel their pain, some easy cryers can be very annoying. 

28 minutes ago, CallmeCray said:

I’m right there with you.  I’ve always had a soft spot for her because I’m a bit of an overly-empathetic sap, but she’s completely lost me this season.  

I think she’s absolutely full of shit and is merely playing the game this time around.  As inauthentic as they come.  I enjoyed the show more when I didn’t see her as just another asshole.  

Garcelle has me hanging in there, and I’ve been liking Crystal more and more. I just don’t have the patience or attention span to care about anyone who isn’t REAL anymore.  

I can be an easy cryer too (especially if depressed), and I do believe crying is healthy. I especially feel for men who feel like they can't cry. It's so sad and unhealthy to keep it all bottled up. But some people take the whole "crying is strength" thing too far. I know that's an unpopular take, but it's a pet peeve of mine. I probably wouldn't feel this way if I didn't have a relative who cries over everything, no matter how small. It can get very embarrassing. She doesn't care if she makes others uncomfortable, ruins what should be happy occasions, etc. 

Regarding Kyle, I'm not talking about the situation with Dorit specifically. I'd be horrified if a friend of mine were held at gunpoint. (I can get emotional watching footage of shooting victims I've obviously never met.) It's just that yes Kyle has a pattern. 

18 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Kyle calling out Crystal for being overly dramatic is like Hannibal Lecter calling out someone for being too much of a cannibal. 

For real!! I'd post some memes of Kyle's many dramatic moments, but I don't need to remind anyone who's not new to the show how dramatic she is. I remember when she was so horrified by a little kid peeing. She acted like a grown man exposed himself or something. Whether she feels it's part of her job or not, she's also known to make little things dramatic for storyline. Crystal actually comes across as much more calm and less dramatic to me. She probably just has her triggers, which we all do. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by RealHousewife

[kassa]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

My husband thinks the robbery was fake.  He thought one of the robbers looked like a woman.  They still have tax issues so maybe filing insurance claims to get $$?  

At this time, reports claim that Kemsley still owes $1.3 million in unpaid taxes to the IRS.

I know they have a lot of gambling debt, but 1.3 million probably isn't worth committing felonies for.  There's a whole autograph signing/cameo making hustle for those willing to work for it. 

[JakeyJokes]

For all you “cuspers”, if you know the time of your birth, you can get a free birth chart online and find out what the Sun was in on the day you were born! And then you can see if you’re a Kyle or a Diana.

On this note: I get why they don’t film in the summer, but Dorit, Rinna, and Erica all have birthdays within six days of each other, which is crazy.

1 hour ago, kassa said:

I know they have a lot of gambling debt, but 1.3 million probably isn't worth committing felonies for.  There's a whole autograph signing/cameo making hustle for those willing to work for it. 

One of the juiciest tidbits on RHUGT was learning that Luann from RHONY gets six figures just from Cameo!

I normally like Kyle, but we know from the “Bravo Bravo Bravo” clip that she likes to be the producer. She’s an OG, but she’s not as stealth as an LVP and so far it’s looking messy because Sutton and Garcelle are calling it out, and it’s really throwing her off because she only has one script in her mind.

[RealHousewife]

5 hours ago, Glama said:

I've been thinking Jennifer Garner all this while, wondering why no one else has noticed it 😅

Ha I guess it's now three of us! It's uncanny to me. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

7 hours ago, princelina said:

She did get that question a couple weeks ago when she was on WWHL and said that she was wrong then too.  

Yes, I remember that.  Thank goodness for viewer questions.

I just would really love for one of the housewives in the group setting to bring it up while Kyle is grilling Sutton for being insensitive.  It would be such a moment.

[Cheyanne11]

So Sutton's reaction--WHICH SHE SINCERELY APOLOGIZED FOR--is going to be talked to death as being "inappropriate", just like Crystal's reaction last season was "inappropriate."  I'm sure there's something they will dredge up on Garcelle that will be seen as, yes, "inappropriate."  Only difference there will be Garcelle hopefully telling that coven of assholes to go fuck themselves.

Is Teddi SWF'ing Kyle?  I didn't even recognize her.

Edited May 28, 2022 by Cheyanne11

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 5/25/2022 at 8:49 PM, TexasGal said:

Is the store called -

“Kyle

Kyle & Shahida”

?!?
 

That is bizarre.

Kyle is so stupid.

[Marley]

Why are celebrities and designers obsessed with Diana tho? She just seems like a women who married for money and got a sweet ass settlement. I don’t think I like her. She seems like Anna Delvey but actually has money.

Sutton is just really awkward. And a bit of a narcissist.

Erika wishes she was Diana so bad tho. If she could murder Diana and assume her life she would.

I love Kyles dogs so much! 

Kyle shut up. Extra annoying this season.

I didn’t mind Crystal but only really because she was going at annoying Kyle lol.

Erika no one cares about you. You are a criminal bitch. I wish she wasn’t on the show anymore.

Move on ppl pls.

[Surrealist]

10 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Kyle was being an awful host making her friend feel uncomfortable and unsafe.  Such an asshole.  I like Sutton/Garcelle/Crystal.  Diane can go.  CANNOT stand her.  Who thought she would be a good idea?  Jesus.

Just when I thought Andy couldn't find someone as bad as Erika (possibly worse), they bring on Madam Diane.

[amarante]

11 hours ago, Marley said:

Why are celebrities and designers obsessed with Diana tho? She just seems like a women who married for money and got a sweet ass settlement. I don’t think I like her. She seems like Anna Delvey but actually has money.

Why wouldn't they have been? I am sure she gave fabulous parties and was absolutely charming and fun to be around. She didn't snag a billionaire without having some charisma. Being friends with celebrities isn't for the most part a sign of anything except running in the same circles.

I don't understand why people are comparing her to Anna Delvey as they are completely different. Anna was an imposter and made no attempt to marry money - she was much more interesting because she wanted to accumulate her own money and status and not just marry it. In fact she actually made herself less overtly "sexual" looking when she was seeking financing in an attempt to make others take her more seriously. The people she managed to snooker were generally men but she also cheated her female buddies as well.

Diana is an old fashioned gold digger - nothing grifting about her except possibly in the early days in London before she snagged her billionaire. But I don't think she was scamming or doing anything other than using her good looks and charm to run in certain circles frequented by rich people as is the oldest story ever. There is nothing indicating that she was fleecing them although no one would be shocked if they learned that her expenses were subsidized by rich boyfriends. 

Diana's husband wasn't a grifter like Girardi. He had genuine money and since they were married for a fairly long period of time and had a child she got $250 million in what has been described as an amicable divorce. Nothing grifting about that.

Diana is who Erika would have dreamed of being. Married to someone who wasn't as old as Tom. Someone who wasn't a Pasadena lawyer so her life wasn't the stuffy existence she led for many years. And of course most importantly someone who had actual money and didn't leave her facing multiple lawsuits. I have no sympathy for Erika but she definitely isn't leading the life she thought she would. 

[WhatAmIWatching]

On 5/26/2022 at 12:02 AM, Surrealist said:

I still think Dorit is a performance artist.

That getup Dorit is wearing, in her talking heads, looks like she's she's getting ready to audition for the role of Evita. "Don't cry for me Argentinaaaa.."    Better yet, "Oh! What a circus, oh what a show.."

[WhatAmIWatching]

On 5/26/2022 at 7:42 AM, RoseAllDay said:

I’m glad Dorit’s getting professional help for it, what with her chest pains, anxiety, and sleeplessness. The last thing she needs is Concern Troll Kyle wringing hands and making her the weapon of choice

Ah, but Dorit is already using it as HER weapon of choice!

  Her TH, chastising Crystal for using "this isn't a safe space for me" and "triggered", because of what Dorit went through, was sheer pettiness and shots fired.

[WhatAmIWatching]

On 5/26/2022 at 10:41 AM, amarante said:

I don’t think anyone needs a stylist to dress them unless one is going to a special event and even then the stylist isn’t generally actually dressing the person unless they are checking the fit or deciding on accessories or jewelry loans at the last minute. 

However a stylist is useful because they know what is available and current and so they can pull together items from multiple sources and a woman only has to spend a few hours instead of having to spend large amounts of time visiting multiple stores. But generally they would help the women with what shoes and accessories work. 

The studios will pay for a stylist to put together a wardrobe when someone is doing a promotional tour but they don’t generally travel with the woman but have given her photos of what to wear with what. The hair and makeup person will travel on the promo tour. 

Sorry y'all for my many comments! I'm way behind because our big tv went out. How very dare it do that to me! 

 For the styling: I watched that Rachel Zoe series years ago, and remember a lot of the actors *borrowed* the clothes that they wore for events or day-to-day. Most didn't purchase them. I found it curious that Erika said she buys things, wears them, then resells them to purchase new things. Is she not "in" enough or trustworthy enough for designers to loan her outfits?

[eleanorofaquitaine]

12 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Ah, but Dorit is already using it as HER weapon of choice!

  Her TH, chastising Crystal for using "this isn't a safe space for me" and "triggered", because of what Dorit went through, was sheer pettiness and shots fired.

Eh, I actually agree with Dorit about that. Crystal was making it a little bit about her and Dorit is the one who actually experienced something traumatic recently. As I said above, I give Crystal credit for recognizing she didn't want to argue with Dorit about it but if I were Dorit, I would have had a similar reaction to Crystal. 

I don't think Kyle was being fair in saying Crystal was being overly dramatic or that Crystal has a tendency to be so. We haven't seen that. But Dorit's reaction seemed fair to me, as she is probably experiencing some form of PTSD.

[Cheyanne11]

On 5/26/2022 at 5:42 AM, RoseAllDay said:

Concern Troll Kyle

This is fabulous!  Fits Kyle to a tee...that is, when it pertains to one of her chosen ones.  If it's someone she loves to target (Crystal, Sutton, Garcelle) she "just doesn't understand" what they're upset about.  Make her understand, ladies!  Oh, wait, you explained  yourselves?  Sorry, Kyle just thinks your reaction is out of line. 

Edited May 28, 2022 by Cheyanne11

[amarante]

23 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Sorry y'all for my many comments! I'm way behind because our big tv went out. How very dare it do that to me! 

 For the styling: I watched that Rachel Zoe series years ago, and remember a lot of the actors *borrowed* the clothes that they wore for events or day-to-day. Most didn't purchase them. I found it curious that Erika said she buys things, wears them, then resells them to purchase new things. Is she not "in" enough or trustworthy enough for designers to loan her outfits?

At this point it goes beyond lending the dresses as stars are paid to wear the clothing and other stuff because of the promotional benefits. There are very few stars who don't have a deal which pays them and of course almost none of the stuff on the red carpet is purchased as it is generally borrowed.

I don't think lending is that common for day to day type of clothing where there aren't going to be multiple magazines and websites showing a photo and stating that the dress is from X; shoes are from Y and jewelry is from Z.

What is common are social media deals in which a famous person or influencer or whatever is paid to post photos of them using or wearing or eating or whatever. All of those ridiculous shots of a celebrity in a drugstore "purchasing" a specific bottle of cream or shampoo are all paid for by the product. That is different than a candid shot of course which just happens to truly see them leaving a place.

[Hiyo]

Quote

I still think Dorit is a performance artist.

I mean, she did wear that headpiece that looked like a giant golden bird had shat on her..

[Keywestclubkid]

And can someone around Kyle get her a dictionary… Cause she brought up violated meant something sexual and the way Crystal was using it did not 

[RealHousewife]

3 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

And can someone around Kyle get her a dictionary… Cause she brought up violated meant something sexual and the way Crystal was using it did not 

Vanderpump used violated when Brandi slapped her. I felt violated when a friend went through my phone. I get that it's a strong word, Sutton meant no harm, etc. 

But whatever you think of Crystal or the fiasco, she did correctly use the term.

Per the dictionary: fail to respect (someone's peace, privacy, or rights).

Crystal's privacy wasn't respected, so she wasn't at all wrong saying violated. And then you take her eating disorder and body issues into account, it's going to feel worse. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

On 5/25/2022 at 5:49 PM, TexasGal said:

Is the store called -

“Kyle

Kyle & Shahida”

?!?
 

The reasoning behind this is that when this store fails and she finds a new partner to use and abuse, she can just change the subheading.  😉

[Marley]

I don’t see what’s charming or charismatic about Diana. I mean it’s obviously something cause she snagged a billionaire but she seems like a bitch. She tries to be cute saying oh I’ve never been shopping look at me I’m so rich and pampered. Like yea right she wasn’t always rich as hell.

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 5/28/2022 at 1:10 PM, SemiCharmedLife said:

The reasoning behind this is that when this store fails and she finds a new partner to use and abuse, she can just change the subheading.  😉

I’m thinking Kyle convinced Shahida to create this store with her. She promised Shahida that she’d be a partner. Then she ordered the sign: KYLE

Shahida: Uh, Kyle? Didn’t you tell me we were partners?

Kyle: Oh, my god! You’re right. Let me order another sign.

Kyle: You know, this first sign is so gorgeous. And I already paid for it. There’s no reason to just not use both of them.

ETA: Oh, now I see that everything is on one sign! 
I got nothing.

Except: Kyle’s an idiot.

Edited June 3, 2022 by hoodooznoodooz

[Jel]

37 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

And can someone around Kyle get her a dictionary… Cause she brought up violated meant something sexual and the way Crystal was using it did not 

That's so true. She's vocabulary challenged, whatever, but then everyone is required to agree with her terrible takes, or they are "being difficult". 

3 minutes ago, Marley said:

I don’t see what’s charming or charismatic about Diana. I mean it’s obviously something cause she snagged a billionaire but she seems like a bitch. She tries to be cute saying oh I’ve never been shopping look at me I’m so rich and pampered. Like yea right she wasn’t always rich as hell.

Yes, and I loved how she seemed so downright perplexed at the concept of a shop.  For crying out loud. 

[endure]

On 5/26/2022 at 9:08 AM, Mar said:

I just finished watching the episode and apparently I have already forgotten something about a voicemail. What was this?

You just know she was hoping for extensive footage of her to be included in the episode, but I don’t think she was on screen for more than about three seconds. I would’ve been just fine without those three seconds.😂

Oops I forgot (got distracted) to comment and then accidently posted nothing in error, geez 🙃

Edited May 28, 2022 by endure

[WhatAmIWatching]

3 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Eh, I actually agree with Dorit about that. Crystal was making it a little bit about her and Dorit is the one who actually experienced something traumatic recently. As I said above, I give Crystal credit for recognizing she didn't want to argue with Dorit about it but if I were Dorit, I would have had a similar reaction to Crystal. 

I don't think Kyle was being fair in saying Crystal was being overly dramatic or that Crystal has a tendency to be so. We haven't seen that. But Dorit's reaction seemed fair to me, as she is probably experiencing some form of PTSD.

Yeah, I can your pov! I agree that it was smart of Crystal to disengage (thanks, Meredith Marks!) because of what Dorit had just been through.

In my view, I think that Crystal wasn't so much making it about herself, but was trying to outline the hypocrisy of the whole thing. She was explaining that Sutton said she *did* feel empathy toward Dorit, and Kyle was straight up dismissing it as wrong, and that Sutton didn't feel that way.

 Crystal was pointing out that someone's actual feelings can't be dismissed outright; that what they feel (or how they react) isn't wrong, even if it's different than what she (Kyle) or the other harpies felt, or agreed to feel, or reacted. <--- I think this part is what triggered her. That's when she tied it into violategate. The wholesale telling people that what they do or can feel is wrong (and instructions on what they should be feeling or doing) or they're going to get the pile on from the harpy brigade until they capitulate.  
  Basically, imo, they were doing the exact same thing they were trying to protect Sutton from last year, directly to her this year. It's crazy making!

-But Crystal also did discount Sutton's feelings last season, just like Sutton discounted hers. I swear these people!-
 

Wait! Didn't they also gang up on Garcelle last year and pummel her until she cried at that one dinner? Wasn't it the same sort of thing; that there's no way she could be feeling what she was feeling?
 

..And Erika, if all people, calling Sutton's reaction to Dorit's incident insensitive, when she's been nothing but insensitive, hateful and dismissive toward Tom's (and hers by extension) grift! 

 

In summary: AAAUUGGHH!

Edited May 28, 2022 by WhatAmIWatching
Changed did to reacted to hopefully make more sense.

[pasdetrois]

1 hour ago, Marley said:

I don’t see what’s charming or charismatic about Diana. I mean it’s obviously something cause she snagged a billionaire

I'm pretty sure the Erikas and Dianas aren't snagging their wallets using charm. I'm pretty sure it's something else.

Edited May 28, 2022 by pasdetrois

[RealHousewife]

12 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Yeah, I can your pov! I agree that it was smart of Crystal to disengage (thanks, Meredith Marks!) because of what Dorit had just been through.

In my view, I think that Crystal wasn't so much making it about herself, but was trying to outline the hypocrisy of the whole thing. She was explaining that Sutton said she *did* feel empathy toward Dorit, and Kyle was straight up dismissing it as wrong, and that Sutton didn't feel that way.

 Crystal was pointing out that someone's actual feelings can't be dismissed outright; that what they feel (or how they react) isn't wrong, even if it's different than what she (Kyle) or the other harpies felt, or agreed to feel, or did. <--- I think this part is what triggered her. That's when she tied it into violategate. The wholesale telling people that what they do or can feel is wrong (and instructions on what they should be feeling or doing) or they're going to get the pile on from the harpy brigade until they capitulate.  
  Basically, imo, they were doing the exact same thing they were trying to protect Sutton from last year, directly to her this year. It's crazy making!

-But Crystal also did discount Sutton's feelings last season, just like Sutton discounted hers. I swear these people!-
 

Wait! Didn't they also gang up on Garcelle last year and pummel her until she cried at that one dinner? Wasn't it the same sort of thing; that there's no way she could be feeling what she was feeling?
 

..And Erika, if all people, calling Sutton's reaction to Dorit's incident insensitive, when she's been nothing but insensitive, hateful and dismissive toward Tom's (and hers by extension) grift! 

 

In summary: AAAUUGGHH!

And when it comes to Garcelle, Sutton and Crystal, as much as Kyle and the others say "be honest," their honesty isn't good enough for the fox force 5. It's like those three can't possibly genuinely care about the Girardi victims, have explanations behind their behavior or triggers. No, they must think, feel, react just like the others would. So silly. 

[WhatAmIWatching]

2 hours ago, amarante said:

At this point it goes beyond lending the dresses as stars are paid to wear the clothing and other stuff because of the promotional benefits. There are very few stars who don't have a deal which pays them and of course almost none of the stuff on the red carpet is purchased as it is generally borrowed.

I don't think lending is that common for day to day type of clothing where there aren't going to be multiple magazines and websites showing a photo and stating that the dress is from X; shoes are from Y and jewelry is from Z.

What is common are social media deals in which a famous person or influencer or whatever is paid to post photos of them using or wearing or eating or whatever. All of those ridiculous shots of a celebrity in a drugstore "purchasing" a specific bottle of cream or shampoo are all paid for by the product. That is different than a candid shot of course which just happens to truly see them leaving a place.

Now this is really interesting! I had no clue that they'd actually get paid to wear a designer's clothes! I only had slight knowledge of the borrowing. 

 Ah the non-day-to-day lending makes sense if it's not being publicized, and hopefully creating sales. I also had no idea about the product shots being set ups! I was aware of them becoming "ambassadors" for products making them money, but didn't realize that the casual but posed store-type shots were shills as well. The more you know!  Then add the autograph signings, party appearances, and everything else, I can see how all of it can be lucrative. If you don't mind being a human billboard.
 

 

 I can also see that I totally chose the wrong career. And non-billionaire husband. (Sorry, honey)

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4 hours ago, amarante said:

Diana is an old fashioned gold digger - nothing grifting about her except possibly in the early days in London before she snagged her billionaire. But I don't think she was scamming or doing anything other than using her good looks and charm to run in certain circles frequented by rich people as is the oldest story ever. There is nothing indicating that she was fleecing them although no one would be shocked if they learned that her expenses were subsidized by rich boyfriends. 

Diana's husband wasn't a grifter like Girardi. He had genuine money and since they were married for a fairly long period of time and had a child she got $250 million in what has been described as an amicable divorce. Nothing grifting about that.

Curious how Rinna is being so nice to Diana when she is mocking Sutton for spending her husband's money.  Situational Ethics are so fun!