S06.E15: Miguel

[chitowngirl]

Miguel over the years.

[Quickbeam]

This is soooo good. Wish it had been sooner. 

[ams1001]

Aw, young Miguel was cute.

Blood pressure, new hip, shortness of breath with exercise... How long after the wedding is it? Rebecca seems to have declined quite a bit.

I didn't think about the possibility of something happening to Miguel and Rebecca not being able to call for help (or even realizing he needs help) until he slipped in the snow. 😟

 

Edited May 4, 2022 by ams1001

[gonzosgirrl]

Miguel deserved a better life than he had. I'm glad he and Rebecca found their way to each other.

[gonzosgirrl]

Okay that restaurant scene. 😭 ETA : it was so nice to see him get reciprocity from Rebecca when he put his feelings out there. In retrospect, it makes the shitty treatment from their children even shittier.

Edited May 4, 2022 by gonzosgirrl

[BuckeyeLou]

2 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Okay that restaurant scene. 😭

So sweet!  They feel so comfortable with one another..

[ams1001]

I knew they were gonna get caught as soon as they said "it'll be fine." 😄

[tennisgurl]

Hooray! A Miguel episode! It’s finally happening!

[Jax7917]

9 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Okay that restaurant scene. 😭 ETA : it was so nice to see him get reciprocity from Rebecca when he put his feelings out there. In retrospect, it makes the shitty treatment from their children even shittier.

It was refreshing to not have Rebecca say she can’t do this and then say she has to go . I liked that she was just like , shut up and kiss me already ! Wasn’t what I was expecting but I guess the writers had to hurry things along .

[ams1001]

Okay, I was okay until And So It Goes started playing...😭

[CleoCaesar]

One episode about Miguel’s rather sad life was more emotionally affecting than several seasons of obnoxious Pearson whining.

I’d take Miguel over St. Jack as a husband and friend any day. And honestly, I find Rebecca and Miguel’s love story so much more real, mature, and romantic.

Thanks for keeping all of this from us for 6 seasons, show!

[Jax7917]

All along the show tried to make it a Jack and Rebecca love story but in my opinion the Miguel and Rebecca love story is so much better and the best one in the show . It wasn’t thrown at us like all the other ones . It was a slow burn and you can actually see their love keep growing throughout the series . 

[gonzosgirrl]

Damnit.

Ask me again later.

[Spartan Girl]

I would have rather had a full episode of Miguel and Rebecca’s wedding than Kate’s stupid second wedding.

Miguel, I’m so sorry I misjudged you for marrying your dead best friend’s wife in season one. You were the best character on this whole show.

At least Kevin got his stupid kids to reconcile with him before he died. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Spartan Girl

[ams1001]

4 minutes ago, CleoCaesar said:

One episode about Miguel’s rather sad life was more emotionally affecting than several seasons of obnoxious Pearson whining.

I can't remember the last time I had to reach for the tissues while watching.

[Straycat80]

This was one of the best episodes of this whole series. 

[LexieLily]

Dammit he's dead :(

[BuckeyeLou]

Oh My, when Kevin & Miguel's son poured his ashes on the Baseball field, that made me cry, :(

[ams1001]

I'm glad they didn't actually show us his death.

I wonder how many seasons of apples they got.

[pianogirl73]

The last montage was beautiful!

 

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[KaveDweller]

I almost never cry during this show, but this episode got to me a lot. 

[PepSinger]

Miguel deserved better children. I have no fucking idea why his children hated him other than his first wife, Shelly, filling their ears with poison for years on end. 

Aw, he did finally find some where he fit: With Rebecca. 😢

[Blackie]

Best episode ever 😓😁, with hardly any Pearsons 😀😄

[Ohiopirate02]

10 minutes ago, Jax7917 said:

It was refreshing to not have Rebecca say she can’t do this and then say she has to go . I liked that she was just like , shut up and kiss me already ! Wasn’t what I was expecting but I guess the writers had to hurry things along .

I appreciated both of them being adults who knew what they wanted and laid it all out there.  

[tennisgurl]

I thought I was gonna make it, then And So it Goes started and I was a goner. I wish we had gotten more than one episode of Miguel’s rather sad life, but god dang if you only get one episode this is the kind of episode you want to get. Rebecca and Miguel’s romance might not have been the great epic of Jack and Rebecca, but in many ways it was so much more real. Seriously, I’m gonna need several tissue boxes sent me to house asap. When Kevin and Miguel’s son put his ashes on that baseball field…

Edited May 4, 2022 by tennisgurl

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I appreciated both of them being adults who knew what they wanted and laid it all out there.  

It was a really beautiful tribute to a deep and lasting love.  I did like the fact that Beth saw it all before the Big 3 did and was totally on the Miguel/Rebecca bandwagon.

[DoubleUTeeEff]

I liked Rebecca telling Kevin to act like an adult. It was 10 years after Jack had died and The Big Three were being precious spoilt brats after they found out about Miguel and Rebecca. Also, Beth was a delight even though she only had a few lines.

Of course it was Kevin that reached out to Miguel's son. He's good about reaching out to forgotten family members like Nicky. That was pretty wonderful of him. Miguel got to reconnect with his son and hang with his grandkids, which I liked to see. But didn't Miguel have children, plural? Did they erase his other kid?

All the scenes with Rebecca and Miguel were good. Randall also handled getting Miguel some help well. He's usually a bulldozer but I think he handled it deftly. "We're not doing this to you, we're doing it for you."

I guess the silver lining to Rebecca's Alzheimer's is that she won't have to grieve Miguel as much as if she were fully aware. I feel so sad typing that though. :(

Glad they knew Miguel enough to take him to the baseball field. Miguel was pretty hard on himself saying that he failed at almost everything. He was good at his job, was a great friend to Jack and wonderful husband to Rebecca.

[nilyank]

I knew this episode was going to kill me.

Miguel was trying for so many years to find success and happiness but not always together. He sacrificed to provide for his family and it just widen the distance between him and them (his original family with his parents and relatives and then the family he made with Shelly and theirs kids). Of course, it was never good enough and we had Shelly throwing St Jack in his face for not being the perfect husband and dad.

Miguel finally found his place in the world once he learned how to love someone without expecting nothing in return. When Jack died, he spent the next few years being supportive and caring to Rebecca and her kids. God, if only the Pearsons (Kevin) weren't so judgmental, Rebecca and Miguel could have had an additional eight years together.

If is obvious that Rebecca is only going to last only a few more years after Miguel's death as she had lost her rock.

Oh god, SOBS!!!!

Edited May 4, 2022 by nilyank

[buttersister]

😭😭And So It Goes😭😭

[LexieLily]

I do have a question, though: How far along in the timeline did Miguel die? 

[MissT]

Loved this episode!!   
 

Randall is going to try and take over next week.    Who didn't know that was going to happen.   Of course we all know from flash forward that won't happen.  

[OhSarah69]

Oh Miguel....we hardly knew ye.

I didn’t realize I kinda needed this episode.  I hated Miguel and his weird hair the first couple of seasons.  Like all of us, Miguel has/had many sides.  Some very moving and gorgeous moments this episode...and I’m ok with sentimentality at this stage of the game for this show, so bring it.  For many of us, I’m sure there were some moments that absolutely resonated...we are not young forever and we should take comfort where we can, we shouldn’t be afraid to grow, we should leave room for the other guy’s point of view, love people for who they are (not who we want them to be).  I’m a little sentimental right now as I just saw some close friends and family for the first time at a bridal shower this past weekend - first time in 2 yrs seeing most of them so the emotional floodgates are still open. My future comments might be a  bit less mushy, lol. 

[Gemma Violet]

6 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I thought I was gonna make it…then And So it Goes started and I was a goner. 

Me, too.  I don't think I've cried one tear during any episode in any season but I was bawling for this.  And So It Goes was so perfect.  

[tennisgurl]

Oh God, are the kids going to have to explain what happened to Miguel to Rebecca every time she asks? She freaked out when he just left the room, now what will they do? Just pretend he’s getting groceries until she forgets to ask? My heart y’all. And so it goes. 

[cam3150]

Ok, I cried more during the last 10 minutes of this episode than I have during all other episodes combined. Man, poor Miguel. He’s never been my favorite character but it’s because we’ve never known anything about him until now. I judged him too harshly before.  I’m so glad he eventually found his home. 

[Spencer Hastings]

Miguel deserved better.  Better children. Better stepchildren. A better life. Better treatment over the series. Miguel deserved better everything.

I knew it was coming, but I hate that it took this long to get his story only to kill him at the end. Jon Huertas did a beautiful job. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Spencer Hastings

[Crs97]

Beth always for the win.  

I started crying when they took some of his ashes back to the baseball field.

I am so happy that clearly he lived much longer after reconciling with his son, and he could finally find a home with a family who loved him, even if it took them way too long to figure how what a gem he was.  I am so happy Kevin made sure he had the help without breaking his vow to Rebecca.

I can’t believe we spent so many episodes on the stupid wedding when there was so much more they could have added to this.  Miguel has always been my favorite character; both grateful he finally got his due and angry it’s not more.

[Diana Berry]

My Dad was my mother’s caretaker.  No one knows how hard it is until you’ve been in those shoes. This episode hit me me hard. 

[BC4ME]

Thank you this is us. They showed us how to feel instead of trying to tell us how to feel.

Edited May 4, 2022 by BC4ME

[debraran]

I haven’t cried in this show in a very long time even when Jack died it just didn’t touch me but tonight, yes.  I wish they showed more of them when they first got married but I loved how she took on her children and she was such a strong independent woman when she was with Miguel. I know I’m in the minority but I never thought Jack was a perfect fit for her and I really love seeing her before she got sick being his equal partner and having so much fun. I also loved how he knew he was her rock and I’m sure the first time Rebecca had to wake up at 6:45, was the first time she started to fail more quickly.  
 

Edited May 4, 2022 by debraran

[nilyank]

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

I do have a question, though: How far along in the timeline did Miguel die? 

Rebecca dies about 5 years after Kate's wedding, so at least a 1 or 2 so since the wedding.

Speaking of the timeline, the Big Three (especially Kevin) did not look like they were heading into their 50s. No attempt at trying to age them.

[Blakeston]

I was thrilled to see some actual physical passion between them in the restaurant scene (and later in bed). Miguel deserved that!

It's great that they were so comfortable with each other, but it's also good to know that their relationship had some real heat.

[Crs97]

3 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Oh God, are the kids going to have to explain what happened to Miguel to Rebecca every time she asks?

After 64 years of marriage my grandfather died first.  He had been hiding my grandmother’s dementia because he didn’t want them to be separated.  She spent the next years of her life always thinking he was on his way home from the pharmacy.  I would like to think they could tell Rebecca he ran an errand and would be home soon.

[debraran]

15 minutes ago, nilyank said:

Rebecca dies about 5 years after Kate's wedding, so at least a 1 or 2 so since the wedding.

Speaking of the timeline, the Big Three (especially Kevin) did not look like they were heading into their 50s. No attempt at trying to age them.

That’s true especially with Kevin but I did see he had a ring on and the hallway pictures went by too fast to see if his wedding pictures were up there but I did see Kate’s. I’m sure she just wasn’t in this episode but I wondered where Sophie was and if they were going to mention her helping at all with Rebecca

EDiT. Someone told me Sophie was there in future scene. I’ll watch end again with less tears 

Edited May 4, 2022 by debraran

[Tango64]

Are we all crying now?

We’re all crying now.

 

[RedDelicious]

We are all definitely crying.

[nilyank]

1 minute ago, debraran said:

That’s true especially with Kevin but I did see he had a ring on and the hallway pictures went by too fast to see if his wedding pictures were up there but I did see Kate’s. I’m sure she just wasn’t in this episode but I wondered where Sophie was and if they were going to mention her helping at all with Rebecca.

Sophie was in the scene for the big family get together with both Miguel and Rebecca's kids's and grandkids.

[OhSarah69]

Just now, Tango64 said:

Are we all crying now?

We’re all crying now.

 

Yes we are...someone make a Costco run and get a mega-pack of Kleenexes please!

[weightyghost]

3 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

How far along in the timeline did Miguel die?

The montage was moving quick but I feel like the grandkids (who were the twins I think primarily?) were looking around 8-10 though I am bad at aging for kids. 

The one thing that is getting me is that the triplets never look like they are aging. They turned 40 last year... then 6ish years later (last season plus the 5 year time jump) Kate got married. So near the end there, they should be 50ish and look the exact same. I am bad at remembering but also, didn't Rebecca look 100 years old during the flashfoward but looked older, but fine during Miguel's funeral? But one of the twins was a teen, so she doesn't live for many more years beyond that I don't think. This show and it's timelines... 

My mom has Parkinson's and has had a rough few years with it with steep declines so the Rebecca storyline has always been really tough for me and this episode ... with Kevin helping dress her, and talking about nurse care, and the exercises. Was all a bit too real. 

[Eliot]

8 minutes ago, Crs97 said:

After 64 years of marriage my grandfather died first.  He had been hiding my grandmother’s dementia because he didn’t want them to be separated.  She spent the next years of her life always thinking he was on his way home from the pharmacy.  I would like to think they could tell Rebecca he ran an errand and would be home soon.

My dad died of Alzheimer’s and my mom died six years before he did. We just redirected him every time he asked for her, and that usually worked. We would say she wasn’t there right now and then change the subject.  There were times, though, when he remembered she had died and became very angry that no one had told him.

Edited May 4, 2022 by Eliot