S06.E11: Saturday in the Park

[chitowngirl]

Rebecca and Miguel's anniversary barbecue does not go as planned

[Aloeonatable]

Saw this at Paley Fest in LA. It is a good one.

[Spartan Girl]

47 minutes ago, Aloeonatable said:

Saw this at Paley Fest in LA. It is a good one.

I’d really like to believe you, but I have a sinking feeling in my stomach.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Spartan Girl

[BuckeyeLou]

LOL...I love this scene with Randall & Kevin in the car!  "We are going to just drive around & get boaba tea" until Kevin calms down...

[chitowngirl]

7 minutes ago, BuckeyeLou said:

LOL...I love this scene with Randall & Kevin in the car!  "We are going to just drive around & get boaba tea" until Kevin calms down...

“I can see why your girls didn’t come with you” “I love you too”

[gonzosgirrl]

Little Jack is adorable. 😍

[BC4ME]

Boy Mandy Moore sure poured all of her new mom emotion into that scene where she found little Jack in the park. She just grabbed him up and wrapped herself around him like he was hers. It was intense and believable.

Edited April 6, 2022 by BC4ME

[debraran]

A little boy that plays Jack is perfect. I liked the dynamics but it seemed very rushed and it never did seem like anyone arrive to that party. Some of it seemed a little contrived. I thought everyone not seeing Jack was a bit much too and that Jack could leave the house with people inside and outside and no one noticing but he was so adorable I just didn’t care. 
As usual Toby and Kate both made valid points but her brothers always outnumbered poor Toby. I did like how Randall had Kevin stop his immature reactions to everything especially Madison. I doubt she’s going to accept a ring this early but we will see and I still wonder when Sophie is going to contact Kate or  ViceVersa.. I feel bad the woman Kevin repeatedly has said is the "love of his life" in his time capsule, "his right arm he wants back" the only woman he told he loved, he brushed off in fear, now he will see at Kate's wedding. Since that is in 2 wks, how will they FF those episodes? So confusing.

Edited April 6, 2022 by debraran

[LexieLily]

I love that Rebecca was the one to find Little Jack. 

For five years this show has done an incredible job with all of the forward-flashes but I really feel like they shot themselves in the foot by showing Kate getting remarried in the five-year flash, whether or not it was to Phillip Mean Jerk. It cast a shadow over Kate and Toby's storyline this entire season so far and it's making it uncomfortable to watch when we know how it ends. Especially when it says so much that Toby is on one side of the yard against the three Pearsons.

The more this show tries to frame the impending divorce as Toby being the 'bad guy', the less I enjoy it.

 

Edited April 6, 2022 by LexieLily

[debraran]

Did they say where Jacks sister was and I missed it? Was she just napping ?

Edited April 6, 2022 by debraran

[CleoCaesar]

Baby Jack is just absurdly cute.

Hey Kate, Toby left the baby gate open which led to Jack wandering around the house. You left the front door open which led to Jack wandering around Los Angeles. Shut the hell up.

Kate is such a rude, nasty, spoiled princess she can’t imagine a world where her dad, her brothers, or her husband don't coddle her and give her what she wants. Her entitlement is nuclear-level.

[gonzosgirrl]

Sorry, but Kate was a bitch and Kevin was an a-hole. Run, Toby. Run far.

1 minute ago, CleoCaesar said:

Baby Jack is just absurdly cute.

Hey Kate, Toby left the baby gate open which led to Jack wandering around the house. You left the front door open which led to Jack wandering around Los Angeles. Shut the hell up.

Kate is such a rude, nasty, spoiled princess she can’t imagine a world where her dad, her brothers, or her husband don't coddle her and give her what she wants. Her entitlement is nuclear-level.

A-freaking-men.

[greekmom]

The correlation  between the big green egg and Jack's head scar does not make sense.  It had nothing to do with the big green egg. I would have said more the fact that his parents were always arguing and couldn't get their crap together.
I agree with Kate in regards to the leak. As soon as their finances were better, Toby should have arranged a fix for the leaky roof. I also agree that Toby didn't accept the fact that Jack will always be blind and that they need to make him independent instead of coddling him at home. (gah. I hate agreeing with Kate).
I gotta admit, little Jack was so cute. 
I didn't really care about the past scenes but drunk Rebecca was funny.
Madison is moving way too fast with douche Elijiah. It's not going to work out.
And no future scenes. Blah. Show you suck.

[Spartan Girl]

Shitfaced Rebecca and adorable Little Jack made this episode bearable.

You know what? I’m not falling for the writers skewing things in Kate’s favor. Toby didn’t secure the gate, but Kate was too busy nagging at him every second to lock the freaking door and taught Jack how to open it. So it’s her fault too. And I know it was mean, but I’m Toby called her out on her acting like she’s the expert on disabled kids despite being ridiculously overqualified for the job. And let’s be real: she chose her job over Toby a long time ago.

Next week though. Looks like it’s going to be the real heartbreaker.

 

Edited April 7, 2022 by Spartan Girl

[gonzosgirrl]

3 minutes ago, debraran said:

Did they say where Jacks sister was and I missed it?

Beth was looking after her in the bedroom during the water disaster.

[ams1001]

Little Jack is so adorable! "It's Saturday!"

I kinda love the babysitter. "I don't like you!" "Well, I don't care."

Little Jack showing Rebecca his shoes. 💗 Rubber boots are for muddy puddles. 

Beth couldn't watch both kids at the same time?

Several cars passed by and didn't notice a toddler with a walking stick trying to cross the street all alone?

So he didn't get hurt on the Egg at all. Poor little guy.

"What's wrong with Mommy?" "Two fluffy ducks and a dirty banana." 😄🍹

Why is Rebecca filling out paperwork at the hospital and not one of the child's parents?

Can we please go back to putting fully enclosed sleeves on our clothes?

So Toby left the gate unlocked and Kate left the door unlocked. And Kate took even longer than Toby did to realize he was gone. 

"You are losing your mind right now." Yeah, that'll help. But the brothers should stay out of it.

"Randall is out here an obnoxious amount of times." lol. Interesting that Kate wasn't his first thought to be his emergency contact, being that she actually lives there (though all things being equal, I'd probably pick Randall, too).

1 minute ago, LexieLily said:

I love that Rebecca was the one to find Little Jack. 

And that she was the one to even realize where he went (I knew she would notice the boots were missing). Kate takes him to the park every Saturday, he knows Saturday is the day they go to the park, he was upset that they weren't going to the park that day, and it didn't even occur to her to look there? Even when Rebecca ran by saying he was at the park, she just kind of stared after her, dumbfounded.

2 minutes ago, debraran said:

Did they say where Jacks sister was and I missed it?

When Toby was looking for someone to watch Jack so he could help move the bed, he opened Hailey's door and Beth was holding her. Why he couldn't leave Jack with her, too, I don't know. I'm sure Beth is capable of watching two small children at once.

[Eureka]

19 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Little Jack is adorable. 😍

He speaks really well for his age. My kids didn’t speak as clearly at two years old. 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

4 minutes ago, debraran said:

Did they say where Jacks sister was and I missed it?

With Beth.  That's why Beth couldn't watch Jack, and Toby left him in his bedroom.

[ECM1231]

Still watching the recording and haven't read comments yet but just logging on to say HOW ADORABLE IS LITTLE JACK??!!! Oh my goodness, he is so precious. The opening scene with Kate singing her own version of "Saturday in the Park" to help Jack navigate his way gave me all the feels. No dry eyes here.

[gonzosgirrl]

1 minute ago, greekmom said:

I agree with Kate in regards to the leak. As soon as their finances were better, Toby should have arranged a fix for the leaky roof.

Huh? Kate is the one in the house all week - she could have called a plumber at any time.                

[weightyghost]

It really annoys me how much Randel and Kevin insert themselves into Kate and Toby's marriage. From the comments over Thanksgiving, to this fight. It's not like Toby has ever been physical, Kate doesn't need protecting against him. He must always feel ganged up on and it's not a good place to be in when you're trying to work something out. This show wants to paint it as a nice thing but it's so toxic to me. 

When I was a baby, I fell down the stairs in one of those rolly chairs because my dad left the gate open. My mom did blame my dad for it for awhile, but unlike these two, they are still married 30+ years later. Mistakes happen. Toby was being screamed at and he was rushing. These two need therapy. 

Also, this show and it's red herrings. Why the nonsense about the ~green egg when it had nothing to do with the scar? 

[ItCouldBeWorse]

2 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Beth couldn't watch both kids at the same time?

She was trying to get Hailey to sleep, and kind of gestured to Toby to leave.

Edited April 6, 2022 by ItCouldBeWorse

[BuckeyeLou]

6 minutes ago, debraran said:

Did they say where Jacks sister was and I missed it?

They showed Beth holding a baby when everybody was running around the house looking for Jack...

[ItCouldBeWorse]

2 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Why is Rebecca filling out paperwork at the hospital and not one of the child's parents?

They were in with Jack while he was getting stitches, focusing on him.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Huh? Kate is the one in the house all week - she could have called a plumber at any time.                

She should have, but that would have upset Toby.  For as much as people complain about Kate being sensitive and flying off the handle over the smallest thing, Toby is the same way.  Kate calling a plumber would have had Toby going off on her about how she doesn't think he's man enough to do a simple home repair.  They had that fight last season.

[LexieLily]

And how long exactly have Madison/Elijah been dating? Does he really want to marry her or does he want to insert himself as a permanent person in Madison/the twins' lives over Kevin?

[Ohiopirate02]

5 minutes ago, Eureka said:

He speaks really well for his age. My kids didn’t speak as clearly at two years old. 

I'm sure the actor playing Jack is at least 3 if not 4.  Child actors tend to be older than the characters.

[CleoCaesar]

3 minutes ago, greekmom said:

The correlation  between the big green egg and Jack's head scar does not make sense.  It had nothing to do with the big green egg.

I thought that was semi-clever of the show to illustrate how fluid our memories and perceptions are. Jack correctly remembers his accident happening on the day of the BBQ. Since he can't see the world around him, he might rely on other senses like smell and touch. He probably smelled the grilled meat and over time erroneously connected it/the smoker to his accident, when really they were unrelated.

[Empress1]

2 minutes ago, CleoCaesar said:

Baby Jack is just absurdly cute.

Hey Kate, Toby left the baby gate open which led to Jack wandering around the house. You left the front door open which led to Jack wandering around Los Angeles. Shut the hell up.

Kate is such a rude, nasty, spoiled princess she can’t imagine a world where her dad, her brothers, or her husband don't coddle her and give her what she wants. Her entitlement is nuclear-level.

Baby Jack is adorable. When he was naming the shoes I almost cried.

4 minutes ago, debraran said:

Did they say where Jacks sister was and I missed it?

Beth was holding her - that's why Toby couldn't hand Jack off to her.

And while I see both sides, I was more on Toby's. For one, while I'm not a parent, I agreed with him when he said "who teaches a sighted toddler to unlock a door?" because exactly what happened could happen. Two, when Kevin literally physically inserted himself into the fight (which, they don't want to fight in front of the family so they go outside to fight in front of the neighbors?) and Toby said "What are you doing here, in my house, in my marriage?" he was 100% correct. Kate and Kevin are codependent. Randall isn't perfect but I do think his marriage is the most important relationship in his life. I don't think that's true with Kate - she puts Kevin above Toby. I know I was supposed to see a parallel between Kevin and Randall* locking the sitter in the bathroom because she was mean to Kate and Kevin and Randall stepping into this fight, but it's not the same. Your marriage has to come first. It would be one thing if Toby was a bad guy, but he isn't.

Also when Kevin said Randall was in LA "an obnoxious amount of time," I thought "You have some nerve given that you've lived with both your siblings for extended periods of time." I think I'd forgotten that he'd lived with Randall and Beth for a year.

*It's really Kevin. Randall stepped in because it looked like things could get physical between Kevin and Toby, but he wasn't butting into the fight.

Just now, LexieLily said:

And how long exactly have Madison/Elijah been dating? Does he really want to marry her or does he want to insert himself as a permanent person in Madison/the twins' lives over Kevin?

I don't care about Madison at all but she said outright that she really loves Elijah, so I don't think we're meant to infer anything negative about that relationship.

[hookedontv]

5 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Even when Rebecca ran by saying he was at the park, she just kind of stared after her, dumbfounded.

Well Kate certainly couldn’t run after Rebecca….

I’ll show myself out now. 

[gonzosgirrl]

1 minute ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

She should have, but that would have upset Toby.  For as much as people complain about Kate being sensitive and flying off the handle over the smallest thing, Toby is the same way.  Kate calling a plumber would have had Toby going off on her about how she doesn't think he's man enough to do a simple home repair.  They had that fight last season.

But she said she'd asked him to call a plumber - I took that to mean after the repair with his dad. Kate just can't take responsibility for anything.

[Blackie]

I NEED a "Little Jack Saturdays in the Park" TV show!!

Rebecca was acting more high than drunk

Glad the green egg didn't explode or something like that, I was kind of scared

[Empress1]

Just now, gonzosgirrl said:

But she said she'd asked him to call a plumber - I took that to mean after the repair with his dad. Kate just can't take responsibility for anything.

And honestly, if Kate is home all the time and Toby is in another city, Kate should take care of the house. Toby shouldn't be calling plumbers from San Francisco. I mean, he could, but Kate is literally right there.

[gonzosgirrl]

Kate's giving up on her marriage just like she's given up on everything else in her life. Toby is just a casualty of her inner wars.

[nilyank]

3 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Huh? Kate is the one in the house all week - she could have called a plumber at any time.                

It's Toby's job not only to earn enough to support the family but he has to also make sure that the house that Kate doesn't want to leave is running properly, he has to move the mattress while he was holding Jack and he has to make sure the gate is locked in case Kate forgets to lock the front door.

Kate resents Toby and doesn't believe that he is a good enough dad and she will keep picking and picking and picking at him because she cannot get over her resentment.

Of course, young Kate totally thinks it is perfectly right that her brothers locked their babysitter in just because she called her Chatty Katty and hurt her feelings.

[DoubleUTeeEff]

"I'm going to go smoke Miguel's meat...That came out weird."

This show really loves it's metaphors. Instead of calling a plumber to deal with the leak, Toby ineffectually patches it up. Instead of Kate and Toby going to a marital counselor, they patch over their issues instead of dealing with the underlying problems.

I'm of the opinion that neither Kate nor Toby really messed up with regards to Jack. Those were both honest mistakes than anybody could make when they are frazzled. It was just an unfortunate incident that ended up with Jack hurt, obviously, but really could happen to any parent any time. It's the fact that Kate and Toby hold so much resentment for each other that it blew up into them blaming each other and another big fight between them.

It is weird that adult Jack thinks that was the incident that broke them up though. I mean, why would they tell him that? It seems like it would lead to him blaming himself for his parents marriage ending. Not a good idea in my opinion.

I don't like that Elijah is proposing after only 6 months but if Madison is happy about it, I'll try not to judge.

I absolutely loved all the scenes between Kevin and Randall. It is so nice to see them joking around and being bros together."How did you know that?" "It's a twin thing. Also, I heard her say it."

[ams1001]

6 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

And how long exactly have Madison/Elijah been dating? Does he really want to marry her or does he want to insert himself as a permanent person in Madison/the twins' lives over Kevin?

Kevin said it was six months (when he was telling Randall about it in the car).

2 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

And honestly, if Kate is home all the time and Toby is in another city, Kate should take care of the house. Toby shouldn't be calling plumbers from San Francisco. I mean, he could, but Kate is literally right there.

And she's the one who would have to be there to let the plumber in, so why wouldn't she be the one to schedule the appointment? Does Toby have a calendar of all her daily errands and park outings?

[weightyghost]

1 minute ago, DoubleUTeeEff said:

It is weird that adult Jack thinks that was the incident that broke them up though. I mean, why would they tell him that? It seems like it would lead to him blaming himself for his parents marriage ending.

Honestly, seems exactly like the thing they would say under their breath to/around him over the next five years and it will cement into his memory. You think Kate isn't going to be resentful about this? Any time Jack points out the scar, oh well that was the day your dad left the gate open... 

[ams1001]

1 minute ago, DoubleUTeeEff said:

It is weird that adult Jack thinks that was the incident that broke them up though. I mean, why would they tell him that? 

Right? It's not like he's old enough that he'll likely remember it. My earliest memories are from when I was four, and there aren't that many of them. 

[AuxArx]

So the kids got forgiven and snuggled up in bed after locking the babysitter in the closet because they were protecting each other? If I’d done that to a babysitter, my parents would have sent me to my room after giving me a huge lecture about respect.

 

[Jeddah]

I was really hoping that this episode was it for Kate and Toby. We have to see more of this? We know they get divorced. Just end it!

[MissT]

Little Jack was cute!!!     But I'm so over Toby and Kate.    Can we get on another story line!!!!!

[Blakeston]

Why does no one ever call Kate or Toby out on being so impulsive that they can't stop taking jabs at each other even in front of guests?

The fact that they did it in front of Hailey's birth mother right upon meeting her spoke volumes - and the writers tried to pass that off as an example of how good they are at communicating. No, that was a huge red flag.

When Kate saw the leak and immediately snapped at Toby for not taking it seriously enough, in front of her family, that was one of the worst examples. Get over yourself, Kate. If it's such a terrible emergency, then deal with it, instead of saying "told you so."

[nilyank]

2 minutes ago, weightyghost said:

Honestly, seems exactly like the thing they would say under their breath to/around him over the next five years and it will cement into his memory. You think Kate isn't going to be resentful about this? Any time Jack points out the scar, oh well that was the day your dad left the gate open... 

While conveniently leaving out the part that she left the door unlocked or that she was too busy nagging at Toby to move the mattress (why couldn't she move it with Miguel or at least watch over Jack while Toby moved the mattress).

[PRgal]

3 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Right? It's not like he's old enough that he'll likely remember it. My earliest memories are from when I was four, and there aren't that many of them. 

Some people remember being 2.  I distinctly remember pretending a dried blob of paint a kitchen wall was a doorbell!  I also remember going to an eastern medicine doctor and having some sort of herbal bandage out on my neck (it stank). 

[Empress1]

5 minutes ago, nilyank said:

he has to move the mattress while he was holding Jack

When Kate was nagging all "My 70-year-old mother is moving the mattress!" I thought, okay, but like, you can tell her not to do that and just wait a damn minute for Toby to show up. "Mom, hold on, don't do that. Toby will be here in a minute." Was Kate doing anything to move the mattress?

Just now, AuxArx said:

So the kids got forgiven and snuggled up in bed after locking the babysitter in the closet because they were protecting each other? If I’d done that to a babysitter, my parents would have sent me to my room after giving me a huge lecture about respect.

Yeah, it's ... not really that cute. My parents would have been furious. I remember instances where my brother and I were badly behaved (nothing like locking anyone in a bathroom, just bratty) with sitters and my parents were angry about it. Also, locking her in the bathroom is dangerous for them - the former babysitter in me is thinking, "if there were an actual emergency and she's locked in the bathroom, badness."

[Crs97]

6 minutes ago, DoubleUTeeEff said:

I'm of the opinion that neither Kate nor Toby really messed up with regards to Jack. Those were both honest mistakes than anybody could make when they are frazzled. It was just an unfortunate incident that ended up with Jack hurt, obviously, but really could happen to any parent any time. It's the fact that Kate and Toby hold so much resentment for each other that it blew up into them blaming each other and another big fight between them.

What struck me was that when Kate told Toby she left the door unlocked, his reaction was to reassure her that it would be okay.  She went for the jugular against him, completely and conveniently forgetting she had any part in Jack’s injury.  I can’t believe the writers think she is a person we could root for.

I wish we could have seen Miguel and Rebecca together at the end with some sort of acknowledgment of their anniversary.

Wasn’t  Toby’s dad a plumber?  I thought they fixed it together.  And Kate, since it’s the house you live in you call Toby and say, “Hey, let’s call a plumber so you don’t have to worry about it on your weekend here. Do you have one or want me to get a name from Gregory?”  Not hard.

My favorite moment was Randall slapping the phone from Kevin’s hand.

[Gemma Violet]

3 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

Yeah, it's ... not really that cute. My parents would have been furious. I remember instances where my brother and I were badly behaved (nothing like locking anyone in a bathroom, just bratty) with sitters and my parents were angry about it. Also, locking her in the bathroom is dangerous for them - the former babysitter in me is thinking, "if there were an actual emergency and she's locked in the bathroom, badness."

Right.  They should have been punished.  What if the house had caught on fire?  Even if the kids were able to get out, the babysitter was trapped.

[Crs97]

6 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

Was Kate doing anything to move the mattress?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Oh, maybe you are really asking.

[CdrJanny]

9 minutes ago, AuxArx said:

So the kids got forgiven and snuggled up in bed after locking the babysitter in the closet because they were protecting each other? If I’d done that to a babysitter, my parents would have sent me to my room after giving me a huge lecture about respect.

 

But but but . . . you're not a Pearson and your father wasn't St Jack the Holy.