S13.E14: Hanger Pains

[Cozytea]

50 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Wouldn't a golddigger be more excited at the prospect of the man having the money from the sale, than the actual house?  Somebody like a ...... user or a freeloader would be more interested in the house.  Anyways, semantics I guess.  Maybe I'm just comparing two of the same type of thing.

I had the same thought about the house.  That's Sonja, gold digger/ user/ freeloader two sides of the same coin. I guess because she knows she'll never marry him but would with a quickness stay at his house for a week or so if she was in the south of France. As well as brag to everyone she knows about the house maybe even pretend she is thinking of buying it..  His money does  nothing for her but if she befriends him, she'd  have access. 

[stacyasp]

17 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Yes, absolutely.  Whenever Ebony mentions race,Ramona goes nuts.  It’s all enough already.  No one wants to be preached to at this age.  It’s not her place.

Because she's sick of being called a white supremacist CONSTANTLY!

[65mickey]

I am confused why Sonja, Ramona and Luann dressed like they were going to a nightclub. And what was that tail coming off the back of Sonja's dress?  If this were a regular Friday night dinner at a friends house would they dress this way?  I don't think the three stooges   have a clue what a Shabbat dinner is . Please God lets hope Sonja doesn't climb on the table before the night is over.

[BrownBear2012]

34 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Only the married ones have to cover their hair, my question is what will Leah do about casual sex?  Will she be able to give that up along with traif?

If she actually maintains any part of Judaism I will be amazed.

Next season she might be exploring Zen Buddhism, Druidism and Mormonism, lol.

Yes…you are correct about head covering for married women only. I should have specified that. 

[BrownBear2012]

2 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

I am confused why Sonja, Ramona and Luann dressed like they were going to a nightclub. And what was that tail coming off the back of Sonja's dress?  If this were a regular Friday night dinner at a friends house would they dress this way?  I don't think the three stooges   have a clue what a Shabbat dinner is . Please God lets hope Sonja doesn't climb on the table before the night is over.

A regular Shabbat dinner would be toned way down. Nice clothing but nothing fancy or blingy…especially if it’s an Orthodox observance of Shabbat. They all looked like escorts.

[sistermagpie]

8 minutes ago, stacyasp said:

Because she's sick of being called a white supremacist CONSTANTLY!

 She reacts when the subject of white supremacy is brought up, it seems to me, because she correctly recognizes her attitudes in it and is threatened when they're called out.

[Cosmocrush]

11 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

I am confused why Sonja, Ramona and Luann dressed like they were going to a nightclub. And what was that tail coming off the back of Sonja's dress?  If this were a regular Friday night dinner at a friends house would they dress this way?  I don't think the three stooges   have a clue what a Shabbat dinner is .

I thought so too but then the hostess was also wearing a silver sparkly dress so what do I know?   I used to think Lu had the best clothes but then I realized she just has the best body so almost anything looks good on her because she's sported some doozies, especially this year.  But I've yet to see a fashion mistake on Eboni.  The woman knows how to dress.  

[kristen111]

3 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I was hoping someone would turn the phone face down. And mute it first. OK maybe not the muting part, as that would have been really entertaining to hear narcissist Leah freak out that she could no longer see, or more importantly be seen. 

I had to laugh at realtor Ramona carrying her purse around as she showed the apartment. She looked like she was a neighbour who just happened to stop by and decided to give her opinion. If Ramona ever does get her license, I would love to see her on MDLNY. She would be much more entertaining that former howive Kelly has been when she has appeared on the show. 

When Leah was sitting on her couch with the older man who was complaining that a private high school costs as much as college, I at first thought it was Leah's father. Then I realized it was Rob. He has really aged. But then I would imagine every year that he has spent with Leah has aged him two. Minimum. 

Ramona is very colorful, quirky and friendly.  She will do well as a realtor.  People like that, like Fredrick.  Fredrick is also funny and friendly.

True story now.  My Cousin hardly called me as her husband retired and was home all the time.  I understood that.  She was busy with him.  He died suddenly of a stroke seven months ago.  I listened to her everyday even tho I have a husband and adult Son at home.  After awhile of hearing her whine about him everyday, my blood pressure rose.  I told her to please stop as I couldn’t listen anymore as I was busy with my family and to cut it down.  She still called everyday.  I was pulling my hair out from hearing the same story day after day.  It got on my nerves.  Some people don’t know when to stop.  Ramona has been listening to Ebony for weeks now about the same thing and has had it.   No one can take sides until it happens to them.  Ebony became a broken record.  If it was reverse, Ebony would get annoyed too.  No one can judge until they walk in others shoes.
 

[EtheltoTillie]

1 hour ago, BrownBear2012 said:

uann looked ridiculous...did she think the Shabbat dinner was being held at a caberet or a nightclub? Good grief...her backwoods Connecticut background came through in spades with that get up.

Class with the Countess!  BTW, I wore my Countess Luann dress yesterday.  I ordered it about five years ago.  It's actually a nice work dress. 

Edited August 11, 2021 by GussieK

[kristen111]

4 minutes ago, GussieK said:

Class with the Countess!  BTW, I wore my Countess Luann dress yesterday.  I ordered it about five years ago.  It's actually a nice work dress. 

Someone must have told her she has beautiful legs.  She wears that slit every time she goes out, lol.  She’s extremely vain.  That dress with the boots.  What was she thinking?  I know there was some snow on the ground, but really!

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

Ramona is very colorful, quirky and friendly.  She will do well as a realtor.  People like that, like Fredrick.  Fredrick is also funny and friendly.

 

Not if that showing was any indication or most of her interactions in life. She always needs to be the center of attention and has no filter or graciousness. It was so awkward seeing her interact with the client and I literally can’t imagine her taking his jacket or catering to the client like the other realtor did or Fredrick does. 

[ichbin]

8 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Good grief...her backwoods Connecticut background came through in spades with that get up.

Berlin is a perfectly fine small town in Connecticut, not upscale but far from backwoods.  Considering the sparkle, my guess would be that she possibly made some kind of a deal with Jovani to provide her clothing for the show because her fashions have gone from tailored to Christmas tree decoration.  Someone needs to tell her all the world is in fact not a stage.

 

8 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Aww, I loved Rocco.  He seemed really into Sonja too.

I listened to some episodes of A J Benza's podcast a year or two ago.  He is one of Rocco's close friends and he mentioned that there was nothing going on between Rocco and Sonja. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by ichbin
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[WhatAmIWatching]

2 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

I thought Sonja was gracious and actually very cordial to this guy. He wasn't her type and seemed very boring. Her matchmaker sucks. 

I think it was bad matchmaker coupled with Sonja not sharing her real self with her, and what she really wants in a partner. At the meeting we saw, Sonja was acting demure, quiet and calm, lol

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

I think it was bad matchmaker coupled with Sonja not sharing her real self with her, and what she really wants in a partner. At the meeting we saw, Sonja was acting demure, quiet and calm, lol

She judged him because his photo suggested he was taller and more fit. She is in no position to criticize another person’s appearance these days.

[Mar]

I feel like that whole situation at the dinner was fake and put on for the cameras.

 

[MsMalin]

2 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Is she really doing her conversion through an Orthodox Rabbi? I converted 40 years ago and it was done through a Conservative Rabbi...it is very hard to find an Orthodox Rabbi to do such a conversion...they generally do not want to do conversions. Frankly, I find her "conversion" to be a tad half hearted. What changes has she made to her life other than singing a prayer and reading transliterated passages from the Torah? If she is indeed going to be an Orthodox Jew then why is she wearing clothing in her interviews that reveal her breasts? Orthodox women cover their heads and dress modestly. Is she going to Shabbat services in an Orthodox temple? Women are separated from the men in an Orthodox temple. Is she keeping Kosher at home? That is required in an Orthodox home. I highly doubt that Leah would be able to maintain an Orthodox lifestyle and I daresay there would be little to no gestures of friendship offered to her from the women in an Orthodox congregation. She's a phony and honestly, I think she came up with this Jewish "conversion" thing as a storyline for this season. If she goes to the Mikvah as part of her final acceptance into Judiasm, then I will take her seriously. I went to the Mikvah, with my two year old son at the time, for the final ritual for conversion...an Orthodox woman ran the Mikvah and over saw the ceremony. 

She will do it if it gets her airtime.  It is my understanding that you are not to have tattoos either.  Everything about her is the opposite of what she is aspiring to be.

[Cosmocrush]

 

38 minutes ago, ichbin said:

Considering the sparkle, my guess would be that she possibly made some kind of a deal with Jovani to provide her clothing for the show because her fashions have gone from tailored to Christmas tree decoration.  Someone needs to tell her all the world is in fact not a stage.

Perfect description!🏆

[gingerella]

1 hour ago, stacyasp said:

19 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Yes, absolutely.  Whenever Ebony mentions race,Ramona goes nuts.  It’s all enough already.  No one wants to be preached to at this age.  It’s not her place.

Because she's sick of being called a white supremacist CONSTANTLY!

That's because Moaner can't handle the truth. She IS racist and bigoted. How many times have we seen the way she treats the staff at their fake show vacations? She acts like they are her servants - Jose, I want you to unpack my clothes, iron them, I'm very particular...Fuck Ramona. She deserves what she gets now. She's a vile person and should have been fired years ago. Enough is enough.

Also, it's 'Eboni' not ebony like the wood.

[65mickey]

I haven't noticed that Ramona has constantly been called a white supremacist.  

[Sweet-tea]

20 hours ago, kristen111 said:

THE WORST EPISODE EVER !!!!!   I am OUT.   Leah grabbing the attention as usual, and she wasn’t even there.  Her and her dog have to leave.. take Ebony with you.  I’m team Ramona.  Sonya pretends to be intelligent and she’s not.  She’s an ass kisser and stupid.  This show turned to shit.

 

 

 

 

I couldn't even make it half way through the show. It's become unwatchable to me. 

No chemistry between Sonja and her date. 

Edited August 11, 2021 by Sweet-tea

[retired watcher]

Did I miss why Eboni doesn't know who her father is? Does her mother have any ideas?

[janiema]

2 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

I thought so too but then the hostess was also wearing a silver sparkly dress so what do I know?   I used to think Lu had the best clothes but then I realized she just has the best body so almost anything looks good on her because she's sported some doozies, especially this year.  But I've yet to see a fashion mistake on Eboni.  The woman knows how to dress.  

Well Eboni’s dress on this episode was too tight. It should have been a size or two larger because it creased in all the wrong spots. It was, however, the best dress at this event.

[FancyNancy]

5 hours ago, MsMalin said:

Wow, I honestly did not hear Sonja talking sex at the dinner. I need to rewatch the episode.

I guess you can call me old fashioned but I just don't like the calling women bitches constantly the way Eboni does.

 

I can understand that, but they all do across all of the franchises. 

[LemonSoda]

I’m 4 episodes behind and can’t bring myself to watch 

[WhatAmIWatching]

1 hour ago, gingerella said:

That's because Moaner can't handle the truth. She IS racist and bigoted. How many times have we seen the way she treats the staff at their fake show vacations? She acts like they are her servants - Jose, I want you to unpack my clothes, iron them, I'm very particular...Fuck Ramona. She deserves what she gets now. She's a vile person and should have been fired years ago. Enough is enough.

Also, it's 'Eboni' not ebony like the wood.

My autocorrect keeps changing Eboni to Ebony if I don't catch it!

Ramona is awful, but I think she'd treat me the same way she treats staff, as if I'm below her because I don't run in her circles, don't have loads of money and can't do anything for her. I'd call her more ignorant without willingness to see, listen and learn. She's elitist, and extremely self-centered with a very narrow world view and definitely doesn't want to do any self-reflection or work to change any internal biases she has. So, while I'm not sure she's racist per se, yes! fuck her and her vile behavior, because she's unwilling to change it.

 

[Chalby]

20 hours ago, gatopretoNYC said:

Screw off, Sonja. Chelsea was so much more fun and enjoyable years ago. 

How has Luann apparently never seen nor heard of challah bread??

I believe Luann was just trying to make conversation.

[Chalby]

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I haven't noticed that Ramona has constantly been called a white supremacist.  

I found that Eboni used that phrase so much I'm sure she turned off 50% of the viewing community with this overused generalization, (which she incorrectly used)

 

[howiveaddict]

4 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

 She reacts when the subject of white supremacy is brought up, it seems to me, because she correctly recognizes her attitudes in it and is threatened when they're called out.

Ding Ding Ding!  I feel this is exactly the thing with Ramona.  

4 hours ago, ichbin said:

 

 

I listed to some episodes of A J Benza's podcast a year or two ago.  He is one of Rocco's close friends and he mentioned that there was nothing going on between Rocco and Sonja. 

I don't think Sonja has really been with any man we've seen on the show.  All fake.  Did anyone see that sparkly strip of fabric hanging off Sonja's dress?  It reminded me of toilet paper stuck in ones pants, hanging down.

[Thumper]

1 hour ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

My autocorrect keeps changing Eboni to Ebony if I don't catch it!

Ramona is awful, but I think she'd treat me the same way she treats staff, as if I'm below her because I don't run in her circles, don't have loads of money and can't do anything for her. I'd call her more ignorant without willingness to see, listen and learn. She's elitist, and extremely self-centered with a very narrow world view and definitely doesn't want to do any self-reflection or work to change any internal biases she has. So, while I'm not sure she's racist per se, yes! fuck her and her vile behavior, because she's unwilling to change it.

 

Ramona did seem more reflective in at least one episode this season, as I recall. But she was off the wall and defensive in this episode.

[gatopretoNYC]

10 hours ago, TexasGal said:

Loved the editors cutting back to Ramona eating on the drive over when she was complaining about not having eaten all day etc.  Production bringing the shade is my favorite thing.

That was great! 😄

10 hours ago, JonnieUniteUs said:

As much as I can’t stand Eboni, she brings it with the type of clothes I want to see on these shows.  Usually like her style and seems like most of her stuff is in the thousands of dollars.

‘if they keep her on the show maybe she could be demoted to “friend of” without a pulpit and just look beautiful and fashionable. 

Yes, during the dinner I thought how nice she looked, compared to the others' tacky dresses. Especially Lu's. That was hideous.

[PrincessPurrsALot]

When I saw the host's dress, I wondered if she mentioned wearing sequins.  Otherwise I could not imagine choosing a sequin dress, especially with a slit to the crotch, for a Shabbat dinner.  I more and more think some of Luann's clothing choices, like Sonja's, are a reflection of having less money than previously.  Luann hasn't sharpied a purse yet, but she does seem to be wearing cabaret attire.  

Napkingate brought back memories of Sonja waxing on about the glory of owning Morgan napkins which were also oversized.  Had she heard the conversation at the Shabbat dinner, I expected her to get teary-eyed about her Morgan glory days and how enormous napkins speak of old world elegance. She missed a critical opportunity to remind us that she is a Morgan. 

[maggiemae]

I do not want to be lectured on racism and religion on this show - especially by Leah and Eboni.

I prefer to learn from other sources.

 

[Rainyhawk]

23 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Leah didn’t make Ramona tell her crazy self centered story of woe that Jews don’t like her or make her be a rude ass guest, she has demonstrated for a decade plus she is a horrible guest and a self-centered asshole.

Not to mention her racist tendencies and inability to take responsibility for anything.  For me this season she’s gone over the edge.  I used to be able to laugh at her antics but she’s started showing her true colors (ha ha) this season.  I’m basically done with her.  Also, it’s one thing to do this,stuff amongst themselves but to act like this at a strangers home…as a guest for a religious observance??  Just no.  

[kristen111]

2 hours ago, LemonSoda said:

I’m 4 episodes behind and can’t bring myself to watch 

If you decide to watch, take two Extra strength Tylenol first.

[Rainyhawk]

16 hours ago, GussieK said:

There is no way Luann would go to Delancey street and eat Jewish deli. These ladies rarely leave their east side bubble, and would consider that slumming.

I’m Jewish and lived in NYC for a couple of years…you can’t really go into a deli or bakery without encountering challah and when I was there every deli and restaurant offered matzoh during passover instead of bread, etc.   With so many Jewish folks on the upper east side, they can’t be that dumb even in their little bubble.  If they are, then they’re worse that I thought.  

[kristen111]

2 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

My autocorrect keeps changing Eboni to Ebony if I don't catch it!

THANK YOU !  Mine also.  Actually I don’t even know how to fix it.😀

[Bluesky]

The most bizarre and nonsensical thing that came out of Ramona’s mouth was her claim that she wished she was born Jewish and was very upset that she wasn’t.  WTF?   After she said someone wanted her to convert before marriage and she ended because he had poor manners and didn’t say thank you.   She’s lost her mind.  
 

If her parents were born Jewish, Ramona probably wouldn’t  even be here. Her parents were probably born around the start of WW2.  Her mother was born in Hungary where Jews were murdered during the Holocaust and her father in Ukraine where Jews were also slaughtered.  Ramona could have discussed her parents emigrating from Eastern Europe and maybe what they witnessed with Jews being rounded up and how scary it must have been.  But no, it had to be about her.  She is so ignorant and narcissistic.  
 

 

[Rainyhawk]

14 hours ago, kristen111 said:

I watched again this morning for the second time.  That whole Shebat dinner was staged against Ramona.  It was Leah that caused the whole commotion by constantly telling them on a cell phone no less to move the phone closer, higher, she couldn’t see the candles, she couldn’t hear what they were saying, she was fading out, etc., etc.  They all were attacking Ramona every which way, and it was very obvious.  I would have gotten up and left too.  Ebony was attacking Ramona, so was dear Sonja, the phony pretend friend.  Leah should have stayed home and not called in, but we all know she HAS to have the floor at all times even when she is not there.  She is the Number one sneaky, backstabbing person in the whole group and should be fired.  Leah desparatly wants that apple at all costs as the end is near and she’s pulling out all the stops.  Ramona is a veteran and knows all the ropes.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leah was annoying, no question.   But whatever she did it didn’t cause Ramona to whine about how Jewish kids didn’t like her in college and she cried herself to sleep and wanted to be Jewish????  I didn’t believe a word of it…she thinks that equates with racism and anti semitism? Andy had to make everything about her?  She’s beyond tone deaf…she’s basically a racist.  

[StatisticalOutlier]

18 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

But I've yet to see a fashion mistake on Eboni.  The woman knows how to dress.  

I loved the color of the green turtleneck sweater she wore, but I think the neck came up too high.  It looked uncomfortable and not cozy, and it accentuated her chubby cheeks.

That coat, though.  I don't know what it is about it that makes it look like it's worth the $3,000 it costs, but it's perfection.

Edited August 12, 2021 by StatisticalOutlier
unmangle that last sentence

[Rainyhawk]

11 hours ago, Maximona said:

So many, many unanswered questions in this episode!

Why does the Shabbat house woman keep her ceramics in oversized hampster cages?

What does this mean:  Sonja:  "Eboni and me are both introverts."  (Hmmmm...  I kinda don't think many INFPs end up on reality TV.)

I find Leah's breasts in her talking heads really distracting.  Like they're Barbie Doll breasts.  I mean—the top is cut low enough so you should see nipples.  But there aren't any nipples.  Does Leah have nipples?

What "important work" is Eboni doing here, Leah?  Besides grooming herself for the next Jewish hedge fund manager?

Not a big Ramona fan, but I suspect as the daughter of eastern European immigrants growing up in whiter-than-snow Rhinebeck (I live 10 miles away from Rhinebeck, so I know), she's had experience with feeling marginalized. 

Also, Leah screeching, "It's not about white people—"  Huh!  I'm Jewish!  Didn't realize I wasn't white!  Not that I care much.  (I am Sephartic, so maybe I should have suspected....  😊)

And then there's Shabbat House Lady:  "I can go appologize for the Jews."  Are you kidding me?  😛😛😛😛😛😀😀😀😀😀😀. Hilarious!

Added bonus points: 😊LUVVED😊  the smirks from the actual Black people at "Black Shabbat."  Who doesn't want to hear about Ramona's urinary habits?  I can't wait to find out how they respond next week to Sonja peeing in Shabbat House Lady's driveway!

All in all, one of the best episodes of RHONY in a very tired season.

 

 

Leah’s boobs have fascinated me each time.  She has a uni boob (basically a bad boob job where there’s not enough space between the boobs)…they talk about them all the time on Botched.  She needs to get that fixed.  

[BrownBear2012]

5 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

She judged him because his photo suggested he was taller and more fit. She is in no position to criticize another person’s appearance these days.

I kind of understood where she was coming from...since that picture was taken of him he looked like he had gained about 30 lbs. and let's be honest, men totally judge women by their looks on these dating sites. She was pleasant and carried on a conversation...actually a little better than he did. I mean who talks about a back operation  comparing it to a jelly donut being squeezed? On a first date no less! Ewww.

[Rainyhawk]

7 hours ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Is she really doing her conversion through an Orthodox Rabbi? I converted 40 years ago and it was done through a Conservative Rabbi...it is very hard to find an Orthodox Rabbi to do such a conversion...they generally do not want to do conversions. Frankly, I find her "conversion" to be a tad half hearted. What changes has she made to her life other than singing a prayer and reading transliterated passages from the Torah? If she is indeed going to be an Orthodox Jew then why is she wearing clothing in her interviews that reveal her breasts? Orthodox women cover their heads and dress modestly. Is she going to Shabbat services in an Orthodox temple? Women are separated from the men in an Orthodox temple. Is she keeping Kosher at home? That is required in an Orthodox home. I highly doubt that Leah would be able to maintain an Orthodox lifestyle and I daresay there would be little to no gestures of friendship offered to her from the women in an Orthodox congregation. She's a phony and honestly, I think she came up with this Jewish "conversion" thing as a storyline for this season. If she goes to the Mikvah as part of her final acceptance into Judiasm, then I will take her seriously. I went to the Mikvah, with my two year old son at the time, for the final ritual for conversion...an Orthodox woman ran the Mikvah and over saw the ceremony. 

Totally agree with you.  I too did my conversion about 45 years ago (in NYC).  I did both a reform and conservative ceremony so i also went to the mikvah.  I would be really surprised if she is doing an orthodox conversion and hasn’t made any changes yet.  I’ll also be surprised if she goes through with it at all.  Also it sounded like she has been        ”studying” for awhile.  I’d think she’d be doing Shabbat every week (I did for a reform conversion) and would know the prayer by now?

[Rambunctiouscurls]

Party of one but I thoroughly enjoyed this hot mess of an episode. 
 

From Leah’s ghastly face on the phone disrupting the dinner to Ramona and Sonja at their peak ugly behavior (they reminded me of Alex and Simon’s unruly kids at dinner in the 1st season) I couldn’t stop laughing. It was just too much. By the time, Sonja yelled “Let’s listen to the Blacks and Jews” I was dead. 
 

 

Edited August 12, 2021 by Rambunctiouscurls

[BrownBear2012]

5 hours ago, ichbin said:

Berlin is a perfectly fine small town in Connecticut, not upscale but far from backwoods.  Considering the sparkle, my guess would be that she possibly made some kind of a deal with Jovani to provide her clothing for the show because her fashions have gone from tailored to Christmas tree decoration.  Someone needs to tell her all the world is in fact not a stage.

 

I listed to some episodes of A J Benza's podcast a year or two ago.  He is one of Rocco's close friends and he mentioned that there was nothing going on between Rocco and Sonja. 

Well...let's just say Berlin isn't Greenwich, Westport, New Canaan or Darien.

[Rainyhawk]

27 minutes ago, Bluesky said:

The most bizarre and nonsensical thing that came out of Ramona’s mouth was her claim that she wished she was born Jewish and was very upset that she wasn’t.  WTF?   After she said someone wanted her to convert before marriage and she ended because he had poor manners and didn’t say thank you.   She’s lost her mind.  
 

If her parents were born Jewish, Ramona probably wouldn’t  even be here. Her parents were probably born around the start of WW2.  Her mother was born in Hungary where Jews were murdered during the Holocaust and her father in Ukraine where Jews were also slaughtered.  Ramona could have discussed her parents emigrating from Eastern Europe and maybe what they witnessed with Jews being rounded up and how scary it must have been.  But no, it had to be about her.  She is so ignorant and narcissistic.  
 

 

I didn’t believe a word she said about wanting to be Jewish and being asked to convert.  She could have talked about that, but it wouldn’t fit her narrative.  And since her parents weren’t Jewish in those countries, it’s just as likely they hated Jews as well.  I’d like to see her gone. 

[BrownBear2012]

5 minutes ago, Rainyhawk said:

Totally agree with you.  I too did my conversion about 45 years ago (in NYC).  I did both a reform and conservative ceremony so i also went to the mikvah.  I would be really surprised if she is doing an orthodox conversion and hasn’t made any changes yet.  I’ll also be surprised if she goes through with it at all.  Also it sounded like she has been        ”studying” for awhile.  I’d think she’d be doing Shabbat every week (I did for a reform conversion) and would know the prayer by now?

Absoloutely...and she should be attending Friday night and Saturday services....especially if she's doing Orthodox. I had to take once a week classes for four months an hour away from where we lived. I just get the impression that she is just doing this for a lark or for a storyline. 

[BrownBear2012]

2 minutes ago, Rainyhawk said:

I didn’t believe a word she said about wanting to be Jewish and being asked to convert.  She could have talked about that, but it wouldn’t fit her narrative.  And since her parents weren’t Jewish in those countries, it’s just as likely they hated Jews as well.  I’d like to see her gone. 

No rabbi asks you to convert...actually it's the opposite. The rabbi that I did my conversion with had two meetings with me prior to agreeing to the conversion in which he grilled me on why I wanted to convert and wanted to make sure that I realize that being a Jew means you could suffer from bigotry and prejudice...and if there was ever another holocaust I could die for being a Jew. After that second serious talk, he let me think about all of that for a few weeks and then called me and asked if I had any misgivings about going through with conversion..I. said no and the process began. Rabbis don't go out and recruit converts. 

[biakbiak]

5 minutes ago, BrownBear2012 said:

No rabbi asks you to convert...actually it's the opposite.

Ramona didn’t claim a rabbi asked her to  convert but a guy she dated/was engaged to asked.

Edited August 12, 2021 by biakbiak

[BrownBear2012]

10 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Ramona didn’t claim a rabbi asked her to  convert but a guy she dated/was engaged to asked.

Sorry...I thought a rabbi had asked Leah to convert...I'm getting confused by these wacky women.

[Bluesky]

On 8/11/2021 at 12:46 AM, biakbiak said:

NYC can be as much of an insulated bubble as any place if you so choose. I have no problem believing it. 

A lot of people aren’t religious either.  So you can have Jewish friends and never discuss your respective  religions. Same with Catholic or Muslim friends.