S13.E06: Stop and Throw the Roses

[PrincessPurrsALot]

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The gravity of Luann and Eboni’s paint party confrontation begins to set in, and beachside fishing turns cold when politics are brought up in conversation. Meanwhile, Heather’s faux pas comes back to haunt her as the ladies glam for Luann’s 70’s style Halloween pageant.

Original air date 2021.06.08

In line with the site's politics policy, keep any political discussion strictly to what was said on the show.  No personal politics.  This is not a jumping off point to espouse your beliefs. 

[RedDelicious]

Eboni may have won my heart running for the door with the tequila bottle 😊

[QQQQ]

So Leah tells Eboni she'd burn the house down in her place... but totally missed that she took Lu's place in the voting discussion by ignoring what Eboni said about voting being very important as related to Black (and other) issues. But Leah was so focused on Heather, she completely missed it. What an idiot.

[Steph J]

4 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Leah’s grandmother is probably dying of shame because Leah isn’t going to vote…..

She's dying from being used as Leah's human shield against all criticism.

[HotHW]

7 minutes ago, Steph J said:

Not just the center of attention, but also the "authority" on whatever is being talked about. 

Edited to add: Lol, how does this make Heather a "Karen," Leah?  You brought up the fact that you don't care to vote. You said it in Heather's presence. She's allowed to have an opinion about that.

Apparently only Eboni is allowed to have opinions and decide who is right or wrong this year.

[absolutelyido]

32 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Leah is exhausting. 

I've started muting the TV when she goes off on one of her hissy fits. It makes the show much more tolerable.

Edited June 9, 2021 by absolutelyido

[pieinmyeye]

Come on, Leah! You can think of a better excuse for not leaving to see your grandmother other than you have a large family and probably couldn’t get in the room. What a POS you are.

Edited June 16, 2021 by pieinmyeye

[sistermagpie]

14 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I don’t agree. I don’t think of people in that manner. I appreciate the ability of a person to express themselves with clear and impactful words no matter what they look like, because it’s something I struggle with myself. I guess now I know simply being appreciative of that can be considered racist if the person whose communication skills I appreciate isn’t white. I find that to be pretty disconcerting.

 

12 minutes ago, mommydiedhard said:

Yep, has nothing to do with skin color. Neither does the flavor of pumpkin or the adjective angry. Leah is obnoxious and Eboni has profound anger issues along with being heavily prejudicial and maybe even racist. She's said at least two anti-white comments EVERY episode. Didn't think RHONY could ever be sunk, but here we are. I'll watch again if it's ever returned to the entertaining watch it was for so long.

It's not that nobody can use those words without having a racist intention. But even if the person isn't aware of the connotations it's there--and Eboni didn't put them there, it was kind of pushed on her by white people for years. There's a lot of words that have different meanings to different groups because of their particular history. We all make mistakes sometimes when we trip over one we don't know.

So what just happened with Leah? She tried to be edgy by saying she maybe wouldn't vote and then had a tantrum when someone informed her this made her look bad, not good? So she had to tantrum about how nobody had the right to say anything about the very private political opinion she just made a point of announcing for attention? And then poor grandma got dragged out of her deathbed again to justify all this.

Also, she does not seem to know what a Karen is. It's not one rich white woman telling another rich white woman to vote.

[TexasGal]

13 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Leah doesn't want Heather to be in every conversation because Leah herself wants to the center of attention in every conversation. She doesn't want the competition. 

For real!  Leah is too much.  

I hope Heather got paid well for this appearance.  Because she certainly didn’t enjoy a minute of it.

[Stats Queen]

7 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

So, here's the thing - you don't get to decide if it is considered a microaggression. The person who experiences it - like Eboni - does. Just because, for instance, Heather may not think that she's delivering a microaggression doesn't mean that Eboni doesn't have the right to experience it as a microaggression.

The receiver may receive something that they perceive to be a microagression which for the sender was a comment. Eboni may experience it as a microagression but Heather may have been trying to put things into context.

Eboni receiving it as a microagression and was how she interpreted the message, what Heather said and meant may have been the opposite but may have thought she was helping build a bridge.

This is what happens in communication, be it couples, friends, work teams - the intent behind the communication vs. the intent. In order for it to be resolved, the parties involved need to actual listen to each other and not divine intent- that’s a lazy way out and leads to labeling people, preventing people from learning from each other, and basically “you’re bad, I’m good” - Me Tarzan, you Bad.

I’m sorry but the ascribing labels unto people or groups of people leads to more and more divisiveness which is the last thing we need.

l 
 

[Axie]

Jeebus.  That was exhausting.  Thanks for an hour of lectures and screaming Bravo.  Also, Leah?  Did you ever ask Eboni how she was doing since her grandmother was also dying?  And, why in the he'll weren't you with your grandmother.  That was just not entertaining.

[nichelle]

After watching this episode and reading the comments, I don't have a lot to add. I still think Leah adds nothing but chaos. And I am still happy about Eboni's addition to the show. Is she perfect? Nope, but neither is anyone else. And I am good with the discussion of real life issues. I am here for her all day, errrrryday!

[Marley]

I wish Leah would just fuck off. She’s the actual worst. I wish she would just leave this show forever. Stop pulling the grandma card you dumb vulgar moron. She’s so pathetic with her dramatic tantrums. How can anyone stand to be around her. Yet another shitty episode.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Marley

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 minute ago, Stats Queen said:

The receiver may receive something that they perceive to be a microagression which for the sender was a comment. Eboni may experience it as a microagression but Heather may have been trying to put things into context.

Eboni receiving it as a microagression and was how she interpreted the message, what Heather said and meant may have been the opposite but may have thought she was helping build a bridge.

Yes, I understand that she may not have meant it as a microagression. But that does not mean that Heather or the viewers get to tell Eboni that it isn't one. Just because some people here don't see it as a microagression doesn't mean that Eboni has no right to. The perception of white people that such things aren't microagressions doesn't negate the feeling of a Black person that it is.

[JAYJAY1979]

I miss Turtle time..and Ramona having crazy eyes at a fashion runway show.

Now we have Leah being toxic and Eboni being close minded (her fiance was right to be with his kids over her).

 

[bosawks]

I’m beginning to believe that Leah is actually incapable of having a conversation.

[Lady Lucy]

And I'm out.  I can't take Leah one more minute.

 

I'll continue to read your comments and when you tell me she's gone (and I pray to the Bravo gods that happens soon), I'll start watching again.

[goofygirl]

24 minutes ago, WaltersHair said:

There's a small and cruel part of me that wishes Leah's slashed neck was real.

Me too! She might have to SHUT THE HELL UP with that slashed neck.

That whole kerfuffle about Leah not voting was just over the freakin' ledge.  I CANNOT STAND HER BULLSHIT!!

Edited June 9, 2021 by goofygirl

[Marley]

I think I would like Eboni more if she wasn’t in this weird forced BFF thing with Leah.

Leah hates Heather because she thinks she is the edgy woke one. Never mind that neither of them are edgy really and Leah is a fraud, but at least Heather isn’t unbearable to watch.

[HotHW]

5 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Yes, I understand that she may not have meant it as a microagression. But that does not mean that Heather or the viewers get to tell Eboni that it isn't one. Just because some people here don't see it as a microagression doesn't mean that Eboni has no right to. The perception of white people that such things aren't microagressions doesn't negate the feeling of a Black person that it is.

So Eboni gets to go around forever assuming to know the intent behind every word everyone else says, never having to listen herself and maybe learn and grow....like she insists others do? Nahh not buying it.

[65mickey]

God I wish that someone would tell Leah to stfu and take a seat. Sick of her crazy tantrums and her constant need to be the center of attention. Whoever at Bravo decided that she would be a good addition to this show must be as crazy as Leah. 

[Batwings]

I have never stopped watching any of the Housewives yet, no matter how awful some seasons have been. But the Leah Show is testing me. What an over dramatic, immature asshole.
 

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by Batwings

[Steph J]

9 minutes ago, nichelle said:

I still think Leah adds nothing but chaos.

It's like Bravo decided that it wanted to go out to dinner regardless of the fact that it couldn't find a sitter and now it's just sitting there at the table letting its child run wild, pretending not to see and not to know that it's ruining everyone else's meal.

[mbaywife123]

Good grief, Leah is just too much. So fake and contrived, please get on the next bus to loser land and be gone from this show!

Eboni is a poor choice for a cast member, she throws rocks and then hides her hands. No further comment about her as I do not want to get any back and forth about her words or actions.

This show was fun to watch, but no longer enjoyable. PEACE OUT!

[eleanorofaquitaine]

6 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

So what just happened with Leah? She tried to be edgy by saying she maybe wouldn't vote and then had a tantrum when someone informed her this made her look bad, not good? So she had to tantrum about how nobody had the right to say anything about the very private political opinion she just made a point of announcing for attention? And then poor grandma got dragged out of her deathbed again to justify all this.

Also, she does not seem to know what a Karen is. It's not one rich white woman telling another rich white woman to vote.

In a way, I think both Heather and Leah were trying to do similar things tonight. Namely, they are both white women trying to prove that they AREN'T like all of those other bad, white Karens out there. 

I really dislike that behavior. Give me a Luann or Ramona being authentic in their recognition that they have a lot to learn a million times over Heather and Leah desperately trying to show they aren't Karens by throwing other women under the bus.

That being said, at least Heather probably knows what a Karen actually is. It's ironic that Leah wants to claim the mantle of victimhood when, in fact, Eboni was actually making the point that it's actually important to her to see people vote this year. But, sure, Leah, you - a wealthy, young white woman - are the real victim here. That's closer to Karen behavior than anything Heather said.

2 minutes ago, HotHW said:

So Eboni gets to go around forever assuming to know the intent behind every word everyone else says, never having to listen herself and maybe learn and grow....like she insists others do? Nahh not buying it.

And you not buying it is immaterial to how Eboni feels. That's kind of the point I was making. 

[pieinmyeye]

You knew exactly what you were doing when you stirred that POS, Eboni. I do think the producers are behind a lot of this, but they’re idiots! All they are doing by having them amp the drama up is driving viewers away.

[heatherchandler]

57 minutes ago, Lassus said:

Well, no.  There's a learned, researched history of referring to black people in such a manner.

https://www.theroot.com/he-s-so-articulate-what-that-really-means-1790874985

Oh god please don’t bring the root here.  Seriously it’s a fucked up site.

 

[QQQQ]

It finally struck me... Leah is a talentless CC Bloom (Beaches). I am totally reminded of this dialogue from the movie (Leona Bloom to CC): You wore me out, you wore your father out, may he rest in peace, by the time you were 15 years old. I love you very much. But I just... I just can't pay any more attention to you. You know what I mean? I want to... but I just can't do it.

[heatherchandler]

36 minutes ago, escape said:

 

Leah McSweeney is terrible casting.  She is unwatchable.

 

Truly terrible.

[WaltersHair]

All of this has aged like milk. Not pleasant or palatable in an way, shape, form.

6 minutes ago, Steph J said:

It's like Bravo decided that it wanted to go out to dinner regardless of the fact that it couldn't find a sitter and now it's just sitting there at the table letting its child run wild, pretending not to see and not to know that it's ruining everyone else's meal.

Like the stabby hamburger children from season 1 (2?)

[Duke2801]

Leah has the nerve to call Heather a “psycho” as she’s screaming in her face, throwing flowers on the ground, and throwing a temper tantrum with the “I’m not going if SHE is going” schtick? Bitch, you need to check yourself. Oh and TAKE A XANAX and CALM DOWN. 
 

Leah is making this season almost unwatchable for me. I may have to check out after next week. 

[Steph J]

3 minutes ago, WaltersHair said:

Like the stabby hamburger children from season 1 (2?)

OH MY GOD, HAS LEAH BEEN FRANCOIS THIS WHOLE TIME?

[TV Glotzer]

Never thought I’d give up on RHONY but now that it’s The Leah Show I have little choice. I despise everything about her.

Everything.

Every. Thing. 

[sistermagpie]

4 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

In a way, I think both Heather and Leah were trying to do similar things tonight. Namely, they are both white women trying to prove that they AREN'T like all of those other bad, white Karens out there. I really dislike that behavior. Give me a Luann or Ramona being authentic in their recognition that they have a lot to learn a million times over Heather and Leah desperately trying to show they aren't Karens by throwing other women under the bus.

Yeah, I agree. Sonja was so refreshing in comparison. They were embarassing.

4 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

That being said, at least Heather probably knows what a Karen actually is. It's ironic that Leah wants to claim the mantle of victimhood when, in fact, Eboni was actually making the point that it's actually important to her to see people vote this year. But, sure, Leah, you - a wealthy, young white woman - are the real victim here. That's closer to Karen behavior than anything Heather said.

Yes! Kind of funny that here's Eboni saying hey, here's why it's important to me in a very practical sense and Leah was just like, "What? Heather repeated something I said publicly! How dare she!" and was out there yelling at Heather about how she was just telling her to vote in order to feel morally superior. 

4 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

And you not buying it is immaterial to how Eboni feels. That's kind of the point I was making. 

Yeah, I think there's plenty of reasonable people who stumble into situations like this and the one person is able to accept that the offense was unintentional and the other can accept that they said something hurtful to the other person and not say it again. It's not just about gotcha/defensive.

[WaltersHair]

1 minute ago, Steph J said:

OH MY GOD, HAS LEAH BEEN FRANCOIS THIS WHOLE TIME?

50/50 this will be one of the surprise reveals this season.

[mbaywife123]

I am now going off to clean out my closet to donate shoes, purses, clothing, jewelry.

Lord knows this will be more entertaining then watching this hot mess Leah shit show and also do some good for the local cancer thrift store!

[Axie]

I would publicly like to thank my parents for not naming me Karen.

[Lady of nod]

I thought I had  turned on RHONY, but instead I got the Leah and Ebony show. I’m not finding it at all entertaining. 

[RedDelicious]

I wonder if Luann was wearing Jovani.

[A-Lo]

Leah is totally unhinged and has found the perfect petri dish that will allow her dysfunction to bloom and grow.  If Andy thinks this is what the viewers want to see, he is missing the mark by miles!  And Eboni encouraging this mess makes me not want to give her a chance. She was so smug on Watch What Happens Live tonight that she made me sick!

[Stats Queen]

36 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Yes, I understand that she may not have meant it as a microagression. But that does not mean that Heather or the viewers get to tell Eboni that it isn't one. Just because some people here don't see it as a microagression doesn't mean that Eboni has no right to. The perception of white people that such things aren't microagressions doesn't negate the feeling of a Black person that it is.

That was my point, although maybe I didn’t do a good job of delineating things. No one else can tell another person that what they heard wasn’t a microagression because it was a microagression to the receiver. 
However, that doesn’t automatically mean it was intended to be a microagression, the sender needs to be able to communicate that they didn’t intend it to be a microagression once that is how the message was received.

My general point is that the receiver and the sender are the two parties in the conversation. Inferring the intent of the other is wrong. What clears up this difference in what was meant vs what was received involves listening to each other and acknowledging that 1. As the sender, my communication wasn’t clear, but I listened to the receiver and now I understand how I can improve in the future; and 2. The receiver understanding that what they received was not what was intended and/or I read more into the message then the sender intended.
Both parties are responsible as they are both part of the conversation. So, for good or bad, the only way to clear it up is to has an actual conversation and listen to, learn from and understand what the other party intended. This is how we grow as humans, the more we listen to and try to understand another who has walked a different path, the more we can achieve together.

If one or both of the parties aren’t willing to listen to and try to understand the other party, then no progress will be made, in lieu of progress there will likely be stagnation. This is not a win-win scenario.

If one or both parties assign labels and pejoratives to the other parties, and decide a person’s intent without communicating with the person, not only will no progress will be made, but greater division may ensue, which is a lose-lose situation for all involved.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Stats Queen

[A-Lo]

1 minute ago, RedDelicious said:

I wonder if Luann was wearing Jovani.

Honestly, I wish we were back there! It was a much kinder, simpler land.

[chlban]

10 minutes ago, Steph J said:

OH MY GOD, HAS LEAH BEEN FRANCOIS THIS WHOLE TIME?

Nah, Francois was much more mature. And he dressed better.

[RedDelicious]

Just now, A-Lo said:

Honestly, I wish we were back there! It was a much kinder, simpler land.

Today I watched the anti-bullying luncheon episode in S4 and there were some clear camera shots of a younger, pre-menopause Dorinda at the table with Lu, Jill and the others. Talk about simpler times!! Le sigh. 

[stcroix]

I just rewatched all the seasons from 1 up to the last one.  I couldn't make myself rewatch the last one because of Leah.  I was praying she'd insult Andy or do something that would get her fired from the show and not be on this season but instead we have The Leah Show again.  The other seasons were watchable but not this season.  And I'm a hardcore Housewives fan. But I won't watch this mess of a season.  I never thought I'd say it after she was so over the top mean to Tinsley, but I miss Dorinda.  Heck, I'd take any past housewife over Leah-- even what's her name with the one leg and she was a piece of work!

[Shannah Banana]

19 minutes ago, WaltersHair said:

Like the stabby hamburger children from season 1 (2?)

LMAO!

14 minutes ago, Steph J said:

OH MY GOD, HAS LEAH BEEN FRANCOIS THIS WHOLE TIME?

Yes, Alex and Simon's kids, they were MONSTERS!!!

[Stats Queen]

18 minutes ago, Steph J said:

OH MY GOD, HAS LEAH BEEN FRANCOIS THIS WHOLE TIME?

Who acted the most like an adult during their first season, Leah at 37 or Francois at less than seven?

(I say neither).
 

[RedDelicious]

I was pretty appalled at the mess in Leah’s guest room. Her crap was ALL over the place. She has absolutely no respect for other people’s things or their hospitality, but we learned that last season. She’s one ungrateful person.

[Stats Queen]

12 minutes ago, stcroix said:

I just rewatched all the seasons from 1 up to the last one.  I couldn't make myself rewatch the last one because of Leah.  I was praying she'd insult Andy or do something that would get her fired from the show and not be on this season but instead we have The Leah Show again.  The other seasons were watchable but not this season.  And I'm a hardcore Housewives fan. But I won't watch this mess of a season.  I never thought I'd say it after she was so over the top mean to Tinsley, but I miss Dorinda.  Heck, I'd take any past housewife over Leah-- even what's her name with the one leg and she was a piece of work!

I really miss the original versions of Bethenny, Carole and Dorinda. They were so awesome for a number of seasons, but for me, they became so vile their last seasons. I don’t want any of those versions back.

I have been rewatching (listening while I’m working) from the beginning. 

At this point, I don’t know what could save this series., especially since it is apparently the Leah Show.

Edited June 9, 2021 by Stats Queen

[PrincessPurrsALot]

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