S07.E20: Reunion Part 2

[Callaphera]

2 minutes ago, 1Seattlekitten said:

Kate Chastain is educated, well traveled, articulate, witty and attractive.

You missed "and gives great competence porn". 

The chef can't remember to order seafood when a seafood dinner is requested but Kate never forgot her Party City props. 

[MVFrostsMyPie]

I imagine Asston's one-and-done therapist session included a pity party about how hard he had to work to get his dick sucked and how he had to pick his wrinkled pants up from the floor. So traumatic! 😭

[njbchlover]

I've been thinking about this whole comparative "Well, what you did was bad, too" thing that the guys kept throwing out to Kate and Rhylee, specifically the whole throwing the pants on the floor thing with Kate.

Kate was acting juvenile by doing that, and wasn't acting like a superior member of the crew should-that was obvious.  However, I don't understand why the guys were so pissed off at her to hold onto to this for sooo friggin' long - I mean, doesn't the interior crew (Courtney, Simone and Kate) have the responsibility of doing all the laundry, including said pants that Kate was throwing on the floor?  So, shouldn't Courtney and Simone have been the ones to be annoyed at Kate because now they would now have to re-wash laundry that they had already washed?  Why would the guys be so annoyed about something that really didn't affect them, except in an irrational, "girls vs. boys" way?  

And, to continue to complain about juvenile antics in order to turn the light of shame away from your own sloppy, ugly, mean behaviors is so stupid, it shouldn't have even gotten as much discussion as it did.  But, given that Andy Cohen was moderating, and knows how to sway a conversation the way HE wants it to go, it doesn't surprise me.

 

 

 

Edited February 19, 2020 by njbchlover

[ParadoxLost]

12 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Kate was acting juvenile by doing that, and wasn't acting like a superior member of the crew should-that was obvious.  However, I don't understand why the guys were so pissed off at her to hold onto to this for sooo friggin' long - I mean, doesn't the interior crew (Courtney, Simone and Kate) have the responsibility of doing all the laundry, including said pants that Kate was throwing on the floor?  So, shouldn't Courtney and Simone have been the ones to be annoyed at Kate because now they would now have to re-wash laundry that they had already washed?  Why would the guys be so annoyed about something that really didn't affect them, except in an irrational, "girls vs. boys" way?  

I don't think they were annoyed by it.  I think it was brought up and harped on because Kate did it in Captain Lee's presence.  It was part of the narrative that Captain Lee's opinion of them didn't carry as much weight because he gives her a pass on everything.

[Thumper82003]

9 hours ago, mytmo said:

I see Andy as an evil carnival barker for the reality show hell circus.  He really doesn't give a shit about right or wrong or actually anyone at all.  He is always angling for the shock factor and doesn't want or care about putting out any modicum of decent tv.  Great way to contribute to society - the one that you are raising your son.  Initially Bravo tv was light hearted and funny.  It has grown increasingly dark and mean spirited.  Seeing the sexual and physical assault on Kate and now seeing the attempt at excusing this behavior sickens me.  That was not a kiss in that van and the sand in the face was not playful fun.  If she could, she should sue.  I read contracts every day and can't image the one she signed includes waiver of assault. I can't imagine she'd do that though as it would probably affect her reality show livelihood.  How far is too far?  Another Bravo show in the crapper for me.

I would hope that in future, Lee would add a provision that he approves crew, has the right to fire them for cause.
I hope stews will also put in their contracts a safety clause. I like the idea that they be chaperoned by the Captain, alcohol limited. 
The Captain and Kate stressed that in the yacht industry, the clients were paying for a luxury trip. They don’t need the bs this deck crew, or a “chef” who can’t check his ego, not looking at all preferences of the guests.

PURE SPECULATION: Do you think Kate was given a job/payout by Bravo for not pushing the issue re assault by Asston? She was either too numb to be angry or has the patience of a saint (not likely) in how level her responses were. I know I would have responded to Asston in a nuclear Rhylee manner.  
 

I hope that Bravo realizes the backlash with the misogynistic crew and Andy. I hope they are able to change this, starting with firing Andy. Or at least “educating him”. Make him watch the behavior of the crew over & over. I have watched some of BD Sailing, find this more of the same bs. Not worth my time.

[Angg68]

Wow I can’t believe no one took issue with Rhylee. She is very disrespectful, you have to walk on eggshells with everything you say (  not let us forget  she also treated Ross, nicest guy ever, horrible and disrespectful. I would have fired her then and not let her come back. She has no respect for authority and is overly sensitive about everything- toxic! In my opinion she was the worst one by far and caused most of the problems.  

[TV Glotzer]

Omigod, can someone PLEASE tell Rhylee the word she wants is “reactive” not “reactionary?!?”

Reactionary means “opposing political or social liberalization or reform, i.e., conservative,“ not “I am a hotheaded dumbass.”

Just go back to Alaska already. 

[spunky]

Thank God this season is over!!! I never want to see the deck crew, Kevin or Kate again. In fact just find new crew and captain for the next season Bravo. Simone basically said what those of us who have experienced it , have been saying. She knew she was the only Black woman on board and remained quiet about a lot of things ,because she didn’t want to be labeled as the “angry black woman.” It’s sad that her only true friend on board was Brian. 

Ashton please take your crocodile tears elsewhere. At no point in time did he truly seem remorseful for sexually assaulting Kate and attempting to bully Rhylee. Boy bye! I no longer care about Courtney and Brian’s five minute relationship. She should have done like Simone and just ignored him once the relationship was done. Tanner, Kevin and Brian please drink a cup of grow the hell up! 
 

I do agree with the guys and Andy on one thing. Captain Lee does not ever hold Kate responsible for any of her actions. Be it bullying Caroline who was clearly mentally ill or treating Simone as an “other”, just to name a few.

[Vregan]

After watching the reunion shows I've decided Captain Lee is a total fool.  He's turned a blind eye to all the bs Kate does. He saw everything and still chose to ignore it.   It doesn't matter since Kate finally left the show. Sorry to say the women all came across weak and needy.  The boys,  especially Ashton apologized incessantly,  let it go people.  Nooone was on any danger with production and film crew always around.   I don't care if I watch the show again ever.  Pathetic

 

[ParadoxLost]

1 hour ago, Thumper82003 said:

PURE SPECULATION: Do you think Kate was given a job/payout by Bravo for not pushing the issue re assault by Asston? She was either too numb to be angry or has the patience of a saint (not likely) in how level her responses were. I know I would have responded to Asston in a nuclear Rhylee manner.  

I think there is every reason to believe that the Below Deck contract protects production from being sued in nearly every scenario we could think of.

To me Kate seemed like she is doing the standard final interview when you quit a company you've come to loathe.  You are counseled not to burn bridges because you don't know how that will come back to be a problem for you later on.  Its not considered worth the risk to get a dig in or try to get someone to agree with your POV because its futile anyway.

I don't think Kate is a big enough bravolebrity that they have some other plan for her outside of Below Deck.  Although I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point, she gets a deal like Ben on BD Med last season.  She does Captain Lee or Sandy a favor at the end of a season to cover the last couple charters after they've wrung out all the drama with the interior and need a special returning guest star to hype.

Edited February 19, 2020 by ParadoxLost

[scrb]

Lee criticizing the guys for drinking too much.

Does he know what show he’s on?

[The Ringo Kidd]

3 hours ago, scrb said:

Lee criticizing the guys for drinking too much.

Does he know what show he’s on?

Actually he doesn’t know much of anything because nobody informed him.

He is very confused and sometimes wanders away while he is working.

We are just lucky when he remembers to wear his shirt.

Edited February 19, 2020 by The Ringo Kidd

[elsie]

Unpopular opinion I know, but I'm glad that Kate is not going to be returning. I think she seemed totally over it even when the season was just beginning, and  mid season when they were docked and she walked over  (with camera person in tow) to see the boat she had started her career on it all seemed like a story arc that was creating a narrative...and for me it makes sense.

Then there was the small matter of her being assaulted and treated like shit, so you know, that too.

 

More UO-I don't enjoy Lee at all. I don't like his style of leading, I don't think he has the ability to separate his friendship with Kate with his job of seeing a situation impartially, and most of all I can't fucking stand when he calls the men working for him "Ladies."  (This had occurred at least twice, but not this season)

I really would watch another season of Below Deck if it started over with a whole new crew. I like the premise very much.

 

Was it new information, or just new to me, that there was also a producer in the van when Ashton punched the window?

[luvthepros]

On 2/17/2020 at 10:57 PM, njbchlover said:

..........It will be interesting to see next season without Kate, and a possibly more hands-on Captain Lee. ...........

I hope Kate comes back after taking a season off. No one can fill her shoes as chief stew for her job skills or her snark.

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, luvthepros said:

I hope Kate comes back after taking a season off. No one can fill her shoes as chief stew for her job skills or her snark.

I'd like to see a man as chief stew, maybe an all male stew crew too.

[tiredofwork]

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I never want to see the deck crew, Kevin or Kate again. In fact just find new crew and captain for the next season Bravo. Simone basically said what those of us who have experienced it , have been saying. She knew she was the only Black woman on board and remained quiet about a lot of things ,because she didn’t want to be labeled as the “angry black woman.” It’s sad that her only true friend on board was Brian. 

Amen and Amen... to all this..

[RoxiP]

35 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I'd like to see a man as chief stew, maybe an all male stew crew too.

I nominate Josiah.  And his gold speedo!

[RoxiP]

12 hours ago, Vregan said:

After watching the reunion shows I've decided Captain Lee is a total fool.  He's turned a blind eye to all the bs Kate does. He saw everything and still chose to ignore it.   It doesn't matter since Kate finally left the show. Sorry to say the women all came across weak and needy.  The boys,  especially Ashton apologized incessantly,  let it go people.  Nooone was on any danger with production and film crew always around.   I don't care if I watch the show again ever.  Pathetic

 

Apologies mean nothing if your actions do not change.  During the season Ashton made no changes to his behavior, which was reprehensible.  After the season he still only made token apologies.  Too little too late dude.  As to not being in any danger - as a woman having some man manhandle you is frightening - physically you are no match for them.  It erodes your confidence.  Ashton was a ticking misogynistic time bomb and someday he is going to stick his tongue down the wrong woman's throat and the price he is going to pay will be worse than not getting another yachting job.

[albarino]

8 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

Actually he doesn’t know much of anything because nobody informed him.

Do you understand Navy/military culture?  I'm not trying to be negative but in the Navy, on a ship, the Captain is the absolute authority.  He/She doesn't need to do focus groups to make sure the sailors are happy.  HIs or her word is the command.  Period.  

The brus blew it.  

I would love to see them on a "Where are they Now" episode.  Ashton will have lost one of his two top teeth in a brawl about his mother, Tanner would be married to his mother, Brian's kid would not be speaking to him and Kevin would be anorexic.  Ah, good times.

[Lamima]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I'd like to see a man as chief stew, maybe an all male stew crew too.

Oh, yeah, after the bru fest this season...let's do an ALL male crew. No thanks! How about an all female crew. 

[Neurochick]

For some reason I watched this again.

What Simone said really chilled me more than what everybody else was saying.  She said that she'll go for a job and be told that the person only wants blondes.  I believe her, I've been taking the Queen Mary 2 since 2006 and last year was the first time I'd seen black people serving in the main dining room, and black women working at the spa, which I'd never seen before on QM2, so I felt for her because at the end of the day, Rhylee, Kate and Courtney are white women who have a certain amount of privilege over Simone.

Now, onto Andy and his disgusting self.  He could not hide his contempt for both Rhylee and Courtney which IMO was very unprofessional.  I was not surprised that he took the guys side and didn't even raise an eyebrow about how much everybody was drinking.  Bravo wouldn't have any reality TV shows were it not for alcohol and the dumb things people do when drunk.

[scrb]

6 hours ago, luvthepros said:

I hope Kate comes back after taking a season off. No one can fill her shoes as chief stew for her job skills or her snark.

If the ratings plummet, Bravo will throw more money at her to come back.

If they bring back Thomas as rumored, they can definitely lure Kate back.

[The Ringo Kidd]

The new season without Kate will be a resounding success and Kate will be as irrelevant as Jill Zarin or Caroline Manzo.

This show needs new stories. New blood. New people.

Next they need to replace the out of touch Dud of the Sea.

[heavysnaxx]

21 hours ago, njbchlover said:

However, I don't understand why the guys were so pissed off at her to hold onto to this for sooo friggin' long - I mean, doesn't the interior crew (Courtney, Simone and Kate) have the responsibility of doing all the laundry, including said pants that Kate was throwing on the floor? 

It was all the brus had to work with.

Watching them work up a desperate outrage over such a nothing was like watching a bunch of tweaking junkies trying to get one more crumb out of an empty baggie.

Misogyny is a helluva drug.

In this case, it also rendered the brus unable to respect rank. Since Kate outranked them all. Your feelsies about your superior officer are beyond irrelevant. Unless, of course, you're Ashton. Who flips out about Rhylee not respecting his rank.

Oy, these brus are an ourobouros of bullshit.

Edited February 19, 2020 by heavysnaxx

[gingerella]

54 minutes ago, heavysnaxx said:

It was all the brus had to work with.

Watching them work up a desperate outrage over such a nothing was like watching a bunch of tweaking junkies trying to get one more crumb out of an empty baggie.

Misogyny is a helluva drug.

In this case, it also rendered the brus unable to respect rank. Since Kate outranked them all. Your feelsies about your superior officer are beyond irrelevant. Unless, of course, you're Ashton. Who flips out about Rhylee not respecting his rank.

Oy, these brus are an ourobouros of bullshit.

Yes to all of this! And in particular, your beautiful non-jewelry-related use of Ourobouros!

[biakbiak]

5 hours ago, scrb said:

If the ratings plummet, Bravo will throw more money at her to come back.

If they bring back Thomas as rumored, they can definitely lure Kate back.

Why on earth should Kate be compared to a convicted rapist?

[scrb]

7 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Why on earth should Kate be compared to a convicted rapist?

He was convicted?  Thought charges were dropped.

In any event, this is in the context of talking about Bravo shows.

[Callaphera]

9 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Why on earth should Kate be compared to a convicted rapist?

Because she threw the men's pants on the floor, duh! Did you miss Part 2? 

[biakbiak]

9 minutes ago, scrb said:

He was convicted?  Thought charges were dropped.

In any event, this is in the context of talking about Bravo shows.

The charges weren’t dropped, he plead guilty to a lesser charge, admitted to the underlying facts in the case and got off with no jail time because our justice system is broken.

Still do not in anyway understand the comparison between the two. 

Edited February 20, 2020 by biakbiak

[vmarsissmart]

On 2/18/2020 at 8:32 PM, Angg68 said:

Wow I can’t believe no one took issue with Rhylee. She is very disrespectful, you have to walk on eggshells with everything you say (  not let us forget  she also treated Ross, nicest guy ever, horrible and disrespectful. I would have fired her then and not let her come back. She has no respect for authority and is overly sensitive about everything- toxic! In my opinion she was the worst one by far and caused most of the problems.  

1.  Rhylee often spoke out about not being treated equal with the boys and although she is "reactionary", she was often dismissed by Ross and Ashton because she was a female who wasn't afraid to use her voice.  She didn't like being made to feel like she was inferior or less than because she was a female and spoke up about it.  The boys couldn't handle it because they thought she was less than.   

2. Ross and Ashton were constantly condescending to her.  I hate when males talk down to me because I'm female.  

3.  Should a woman have to be quiet and docile to be respected or can she speak up for herself.  Her method may not be the best, but she isn't afraid to speak up for herself and the males don't know what to do with that.  They never listened to her and always belittled her.  Ashton set up the whole deck team to be her enemy from the start.  She was a hard worker but her work was never valued nor was she given opportunities to grow. 

4.  Ross was completely unprofessional making out with her on charter and while he was her boss and then treating her like garbage.  You can't really say Ross was a nice guy when he basically kissed her to shut her up.   

Say what you will about her because her tone is often disrespectful, but she knows when she is being treated like garbage and she speaks up for herself to say that it is unacceptable.  Double standards be damned!   

[jumper sage]

On 2/18/2020 at 7:35 PM, njbchlover said:

I mean, doesn't the interior crew (Courtney, Simone and Kate) have the responsibility of doing all the laundry, including said pants that Kate was throwing on the floor?  So, shouldn't Courtney and Simone have been the ones to be annoyed at Kate because now they would now have to re-wash laundry that they had already washed?  Why would the guys be so annoyed about something that really didn't affect them, except in an irrational, "girls vs. boys" way? 

Because, like many misogynists, they view laundry as the epitome of women's work.  HOW DARE SHE?

On 2/18/2020 at 7:54 PM, Thumper82003 said:

I hope stews will also put in their contracts a safety clause. I like the idea that they be chaperoned by the Captain, alcohol limited. 

If you hire or even keep a drunk on a crew that is an adult then it is on production.  All Bravo shows encourage sloppy drunkness.  When Josiah was on with Kate I thought they, together, kept the drinking to a minimum.

I don't get the appeal of total blotto at all.

I agree with @spunky and am glad the season is over.  The whole season had me recoiling in horror.

[politichick]

On 2/19/2020 at 6:49 AM, luvthepros said:

I hope Kate comes back after taking a season off. No one can fill her shoes as chief stew for her job skills or her snark.

I do, too. I think she's just over it for now, especially after this lousy season but could do one or two more after a bit of a respite. As someone else mentioned, maybe she can come to the rescue like Ben has. Also like the idea of a season with a male chief stew. That could be fun.

Captain Lee and Kate have a very close relationship, so he probably chides her in private. It would be unlike him to stay silent if he knows she's fucked up, but out of respect for the friendship he won't blast her on national television.

I wanted to smack fucking Kevin and his blank expression when he was saying that Lee should have known all that was going on. He should count his blessings that didn't happen because none of the boys would have completed that season. If no one tells him, he's not going to know about the crap. He was aware they become drunken fools after dark between charters but not to that extent. Their trying to justify it and all of the other bullshit they were spewing, including insincere apologies, really pissed him off and that's why he took that little break. Can't blame him.

It would really behoove Simone to take stew classes. She's a smart and clever girl but does herself no favors going on a boat not knowing how to make drinks or open a bottle of wine. I know and am glad it's not a lifetime career for her, but that doesn't mean she shouldn't take preparing for it more seriously. I'm so sorry she had to endure so many horrible, we want blondes, rejections and glad she didn't let that stop her from finding a way to get a gig and see parts of the world, but you still have to know how to open a bloody bottle of wine or take the initiative to ask guests if they need something. OMG.

Courtney surprised me by how firm she was with Brian, Good for her!

[RoxiP]

Throwing clothes on the floor (especially clothes you and your staff are required to wash, iron and fold) doesn't equate to ruining property at a swim club where you deliberately ruined DJ equipment (nobody mentioned that on the reunion show either).

[yourmomiseasy]

On 2/18/2020 at 6:07 PM, Vregan said:

 Nooone was on any danger with production and film crew always around.   I don't care if I watch the show again ever.  Pathetic

 

Yeah, because no one has ever been raped, sexually assaulted, or physically assaulted while reality tv cameras were rolling.  Oh wait...

On 2/18/2020 at 5:32 PM, Angg68 said:

Wow I can’t believe no one took issue with Rhylee. She is very disrespectful, you have to walk on eggshells with everything you say (  not let us forget  she also treated Ross, nicest guy ever, horrible and disrespectful. I would have fired her then and not let her come back. She has no respect for authority and is overly sensitive about everything- toxic! In my opinion she was the worst one by far and caused most of the problems.  

Rhylee is an asshole, but Ross certainly doesn’t look like the nicest guy ever in the video where he’s threatening a police officer (it’s in the media thread if you haven’t seen it).  I’m not saying that makes her justified in lipping off to him, just that he also sucks and shouldn’t be held up as some paragon of virtue.

Edited February 20, 2020 by yourmomiseasy

[yourmomiseasy]

A bunch of excuses and justifications from Andy about why he did a shit job hosting

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/andy-cohen-breaks-his-silence-about-criticism-over-the-below-deck-reunion.html/

[HouseofBeck]

Just rewatched the latter half so Mr. HouseofBeck could see Captain Lee storming off. Then just kept watching because it was dinner time anyway. 😀

And I wanted to see what chilled me to bits the first time—the expression in Brian’s eyes when he looked at Kate as the yachtie remembrance wore to a close. As others have noted, this guy seems seriously if not serially unhinged. Ashton is the shout where Brian is the whisper. *shudder*

 

ETA: Just read that Cohen post linked above. I should probably get caught up on Twitter. In the meantime, this:

”Cohen asked the production team throughout the reunion if he was being hard enough on the guys. ’We shot for over two hours and I kept saying to the control room full of women, ‘Hey, you guys. Am I being tough enough on the guys?’ Like, I want to make sure that I’m being tough enough on the guys. And they were like, ‘We’re good. We have enough stuff.'”

If we take his word that this conversation happened, this so does not mean what he’s trying to tell us it means. At all. 

Edited February 21, 2020 by HouseofBeck

[albarino]

1 hour ago, HouseofBeck said:

Cohen asked the production team throughout the reunion if he was being hard enough on the guys. ’We shot for over two hours and I kept saying to the control room full of women, ‘Hey, you guys. Am I being tough enough on the guys?’ Like, I want to make sure that I’m being tough enough on the guys. And they were like, ‘We’re good. We have enough stuff.'”

Does anybody believe this?  I do not.  I know Kate was checking herself out of this Shit Show at that point but made a comment along the lines of "....thank you for your apologies but you came on WWHL and doubled down on all of your behavior on Valor all season...."  Seriously, the brus all did that.

Andy, too little, too late.  I'm sorry you weren't feeling well following a medical procedure.  You now have a son so I want you to think clearly.  If you have a show scheduled for the evening/next day of a medical procedure, (go with me there) you don't reschedule the medical appointment?  That is what real people do, dumbass.

 

 

 

 

[Thumper82003]

10 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

A bunch of excuses and justifications from Andy about why he did a shit job hosting

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/andy-cohen-breaks-his-silence-about-criticism-over-the-below-deck-reunion.html/

Sounds as sincere as Asston’s apology, “4 minute ...with tears in his eyes”. I don’t think just stopping drinking this month, starting therapy this week is proof of his sincerity. Clueless men, both of them. Think pretty words mean much once you’ve seen how little it matters to them. Equate laundry with sexual assault. No, I don’t think Asston was sincere, nor do I think Andy was either. Both just don’t like how they are perceived by others.

[pasdetrois]

I'm pretty sure Ashton's tears were tears of self-pity.

[RoxiP]

Perhaps the damage to Andy's head caused amnesia and he forgot all of the crap that has gone on all season, including the Bru's behavior at their various appearances.

Seriously,  you get paid a LOT of money to watch these shows.  If you are getting paid to do a reunion show do your research - don't expect somebody else to hand it to you!

 

[makelemons]

i don't know how much of the actual show Andy watches.... maybe enough to get through WWHLs when the crew is a guest, but this reunion was thrown together at the last minute, wasn't it?  they hadn't had one in forever... but as this season went on I saw people on various SM channels loudly saying there better be a reunion so that all of this could be addressed.

how that didn't tip him off that he should make sure he was aware of all of the issues and not just rely on viewer/staff questions... i just don't know.

[scrb]

He may have access to unaired clips which tell a different story for all we know.

[RoxiP]

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I don't know what any unaired clips would show that would excuse Ashton's actions in the van, nor have any of the other guys (despite their hatred of Kate) disputed any of the facts.

[nytonc]

On 2/18/2020 at 6:43 PM, ParadoxLost said:

They always claim that the Captain has the final word regarding safety on the boat.  I wonder how true that is.  Because Captain Sandy is so camera starved on Med that she knows what goes on but doesn't "do" anything about it.

I've been getting the feeling that Captain Lee and Kate have worked out a system between them to manage the real dynamics that are likely at play.  I suspect that those actual dynamics are that if Captain Lee actually takes a non scripted action (ie one that production disagrees with or isn't prepared to fill in for) to smooth out drama or fire a trouble maker then its likely to be Captain Lee's last season.  So Lee hides out and only acts on what Kate brings him.  Kate then brings him basically nothing in return for his full support on those things he is made aware of.

I have no doubt that production was in regular contact with Kate during her night off the boat and persuaded her to return and that it was also made clear that they weren't supportive of making a bosun change.  Lee probably got an indicator from production or Kate that this was a don't ask if you don't want to know situation.  Because there is no way to explain Lee not asking and not pressing the point otherwise.  He wants to be the Captain of a TV series more than he wants to be Captain of a boat but he wants to maintain the reputation of being a boat Captain. 

Also I think Kate isn't coming back next season because of how production handled how this season was going rather than how the season actually went.

I was bothered by this.

I was also bothered by the reinforcing the approach genders seem to take in arguments.  The guys kept apologizing with a "but" that the women said or did something that negated the responsibility for what the guy did.  And that's an acceptable position and adequate apology.

Then Kate was constantly trying to reason with them that she could have done better, there were parts of what they were saying that she appreciated, but could they also explain XYZ.  But some times the other party is so far wrong that the person that might be a tiny bit wrong shouldn't need to concede anything.  But Kate kept trying to meet them half way and they all (including Andy) kept pushing that she was more in the wrong than she was already admitting.  And in the end Kate needed to sum up how she could improve.

With Rhylee, they kept harping on her reaction escalating the situation.  This to the point of it being one of the viewer questions that shouldn't she realize and learn this and do better.  This bugged the shit out of me.  It basically sends the message that four guys can gang up on her and treat her like shit and she's supposed to just sit back and take it.  Another situation where I kind of don't care if Rhylee could have handled it better or not.  The guys were more wrong and they didn't handle anything well.  And another situation of making Rhylee sum up at the end how she could do better.

Frankly, the whole thing seems a little too close to what I'd imagine a conversation between an emotionally abusive husband and abused wife would sound like.

You are so spot on!!!! The behavior and attitudes displayed by the male crew are all too prevalent and often blithely dismissed as “it’s just boys being boys.”  The women are expected to “act like a lady,” shut their mouths and, above all else, don’t ever “lose control” and get emotional.  It’s fucking sickening and Bravo and the show’s producers should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. 

[The Ringo Kidd]

Since Kate has announced that she is leaving Below Deck maybe she can go to work for Bethenny at HBO.

She can be her glorified housekeeper.

[jumper sage]

On 2/20/2020 at 12:02 PM, politichick said:

Courtney surprised me by how firm she was with Brian, Good for her!

I am a huge Courtney fan!!😍

[druzy]

On 2/18/2020 at 7:54 PM, Thumper82003 said:

I hope that Bravo realizes the backlash with the misogynistic crew and Andy. I hope they are able to change this, starting with firing Andy. Or at least “educating him”. Make him watch the behavior of the crew over & over. I have watched some of BD Sailing, find this more of the same bs. Not worth my time.

Not worth Leslie's time either:

[1Seattlekitten]

Bru-advocate Andy claims he repeatedly asked the female production crew filming the reunion if he was being "hard enough on the boys "   What that tells me is that he considers these adult males to be mere "boys" and that he was aware that their behavior had been totally egregious and deserved to be seriously addressed as unacceptable in society, and definitely will not be allowed again on a BRAVO show in the future.  As well, Andy must have been nervously aware that he actually was not being hard enough.  The women deserved apologies from all 4 of those men and one from 51 Minds' production crew.  Unfortunately their failure to anticipate the backlash from female fans indicates that Mark Cronin's team is really out of touch with reality, even though they supposedly are filming a "reality" show.  So ignorant.  If they (deck crew, Andy, and production teams) had made sincere apologies and owned up to their mistakes in not intervening or stopping the behavior as it happened --- fans would be in a very different place right now and feel a little vindicated just to have the misogyny acknowledged and regretted. 

Andy can give all the wimpy whiny excuses he wants.  I do not accept them.  He was getting paid to moderate a much needed debriefing  and instead he acted like a spineless weasel. 

Edited February 22, 2020 by 1Seattlekitten
Typo

[bencr]

I wasn't the least bit surprised that Andy Cohen asked Courtney if she planned to get together with Brian after the reunion. Andy Cohen is the most shallow person in the world, and he simply can't relate to people like Courtney who actually have convictions. 

[gingerella]

IMO, and after reading all the comment here, Andy Cohen, Bravo, and NBC are the real problem here. They have been allowed to run roughshod over casts of pretty much all of their shows unchecked for years. I have a very snarky sense of humor, I like dirty jokes, and I swear like a sailor, but even I have lost count of the times I’ve been appalled at either something shown on a Bravo show OR on WWHL. Most of WWHL is an exercise in what not to say and do on TV. And don’t get me started on the many mentally and emotionally unstable cast members that Bravo has used and abused in the name of ‘ratings’ (See: BD's Caroline, RHBH's Kim, RHNJ's Teresa, ...)

Here’s the thing, I DO NOT want to watch reality’s shows that are fake, scripted, producer-driven manufactured drama that includes producer-encouraged emotional, verbal and physical abuse, the likes of which we’ve seen this season on BD. I don’t give a good godddamn about Captain Lee and Kate at this point and what they should or should not have done because I know that the worst bullshit was condoned by Bravo, NBC, and the assholes that made this and other shows. What I DO care about is the disgustingly blatant parading of adult men physically forcing themselves on to female cast members; being rebuffed and violently punching windows; drunk and angry men getting in the faces of their female crew and acting in a threatening manner; and gas lighting female crew members when they don’t fall into line and do as they’re told by the male crew. 

Even more mind boggling is that after all the attention on the #metoo movement, these fuckheads think this behavior is somehow ‘good TV entertainment’.  LISTEN UP BRAVO EXECS: I’m going to start making a list of allllll your advertisers and I am going to boycott all their products because I know the only way to hit you hard is to hit you in the fucking nuts, where you keep your money.

Edited February 24, 2020 by gingerella