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I watched WWHL last night after the episode where Peter got demoted for sexual harassment. Andy Cohen made it sound like it was nothing, then proceeds with sexual “jokes” with Malia & (was it Rob?) IMO it was very inappropriate. I expected Better of Bravo. Maybe too much expectation.

A friend of a friend was a psychologist who worked for an unnamed reality show. That psychologist quit when he/she realized that they were casting the ones with psychological problems. They wanted the narcissistic personality disorders, not the well adjusted people. This was several years ago...

All employers now have either contracts or formal guidelines spelling out that they can hire/fire at will, or for a morals clause. Yes, moral & Bravo seem to be contradictory. But anything they get flack from, or effects their bottom line, they can use that clause. Many employers or even schools are looking at the employee/student online history, using it to exclude people. That “joke” from 10 years ago might just bite you. Even cleaned up, computer geeks can restore.

Other networks pay x amount per show. If they aren’t shown, they don’t get paid. So editing him out, he doesn’t get a check. They usually have a morals clause that allow them to fire them for cause. That picture was cause for sure.

Sounds as sincere as Asston’s apology, “4 minute ...with tears in his eyes”. I don’t think just stopping drinking this month, starting therapy this week is proof of his sincerity. Clueless men, both of them. Think pretty words mean much once you’ve seen how little it matters to them. Equate laundry with sexual assault. No, I don’t think Asston was sincere, nor do I think Andy was either. Both just don’t like how they are perceived by others.

I would hope that in future, Lee would add a provision that he approves crew, has the right to fire them for cause. I hope stews will also put in their contracts a safety clause. I like the idea that they be chaperoned by the Captain, alcohol limited. The Captain and Kate stressed that in the yacht industry, the clients were paying for a luxury trip. They don’t need the bs this deck crew, or a “chef” who can’t check his ego, not looking at all preferences of the guests. PURE SPECULATION: Do you think Kate was given a job/payout by Bravo for not pushing the issue re assault by Asston? She was either too numb to be angry or has the patience of a saint (not likely) in how level her responses were. I know I would have responded to Asston in a nuclear Rhylee manner. I hope that Bravo realizes the backlash with the misogynistic crew and Andy. I hope they are able to change this, starting with firing Andy. Or at least “educating him”. Make him watch the behavior of the crew over & over. I have watched some of BD Sailing, find this more of the same bs. Not worth my time.

First, I’d like to check like for most all of the previous posts, but my iPad will not let me. So add a heart to most all of you. My takeaway from part 2: The guys, especially Asston, only regret that their behavior has been shown to the world. They don’t think what they did was wrong. All of them have the bs apology down pat, made all the more insincere by the “but she said...” Blame the victim, they aren’t responsible for their behavior because... Most of the male crew admitted to drunken blackouts. Even those who didn’t have blackouts showed a drinking problem. They are all assholes, but Asston & Kevin lead the shit list. Asston “quitting drinking” (in January) and starting therapy (last week) were all done not because of his realization that he has some serious problems, but that a pr person told him he needed to do both. Sexual assault & threatening violence, bullying female staff isn’t seen as a problem. Pretty boy insincere apologies are just bs. Kevin has a definite problem with drinking, as well as a hatred of women. Tanner & Brian are not much better. If I had the resources to hire a yacht like that, I’d demand that those 4 not be on the crew. I wouldn’t trust their behavior. Andy disappointed me. He thinks this is one big joke. What I saw was not a joke, but very real problems. If this is Bravo’s pr line, I can say I am sincerely disappointed. I’d watch the next season only if this crew wasn’t there, Captain Lee was there and the production crew notified him of problematic behavior in real time.

When Ashton was on WWHL last week, he said he’d stopped drinking and was “working on” his behavior. When asked if that meant he was in therapy, he gave bs about you having to “know yourself”. Sounds like the bs he gives the Captain. But most of all bs he tells himself.After watching his behavior, I would hope no one ever hires him in a supervisory role. Even as a third deckhand. Kevin was on WWHL last night. When asked how he would feel if men treated his daughter like they did to Kate & Rhylee. He replied “first I wouldn’t raise my daughter to be a bitch...” or a version to that effect. He showed absolutely no awareness of his behavior. He thinks he didn’t do anything wrong, everything is Kate’s fault. He’s another who shows no awareness. As he was talking the bravo polls on team Kate v Ashton & the bro’s was about 90% for Kate. All the bros were in the audience, showing the same cluelessness. They still feel it’s all the women’s fault. They were “bitches”. I hope they finally realize what they did. If Bravo brings any of these assholes back, I’m out. I still think the Captain should’ve been notified by production immediately after Asston’s behavior with Kate. IIRC, Kevin went to an associate degree. He acts like he’s Cordon Bleu chef. But I think he’s in over his head. He may have some talent but he’s lazy with that “talent”. Kate from minute one didn’t bow to him. That’s where his hatred of Kate starts. He was asked on WWHL why he didn’t read the preference sheet. He started blubbering but said that it was at least 8 pages. Essentially admitted to not reading preference sheet.

IIRC, Phyllis was trying to “compromise “ Kyle to break up his relationship with Summer, when she thought they were brother/sister.

I’m having difficulty “liking” posts, but I have agreed wholeheartedly with many of you. Yes, Kate seems to be a “stuck up” “bitch” but even if she were, it is no excuse for the male crew’s behavior. Stop blaming the “victim”. Stop excusing criminal behavior. Regarding Kate’s actions with Simone: Simone is constantly seen on the phone with her mother, bitching about Kate, giving a slightly different twist to her comments. Since the crew quarters seem so cramped, does Kate hear all of Simone’s calls to mommy? Coupled with her poor service, Simone’s crying to mommy is another slap in the face to Kate. It seems like other than Rylee and possibly Courtney, Kate has no friends among the crew. So she “hangs out” with the Captain, a safe male. Kate seems to be a “nanny” to the crew when they are out in public & are too drunk to pay bar bills etc. Regarding Ashton: NOTHING excuses his behavior. His behavior was not just “TV”. There was real hatred, violence & vitriol there. I wonder if his trying to fire Rylee is in part her support of Kate. Ashton is guilty of sexual assault and his behavior should have gotten him fired immediately. Then blacklisted. He still doesn’t get it. His interviews give the usual bs “working on improving...” but not acknowledging any wrongdoing. Same with Tanner. My husband comments on my watching BD, saying I’m watching the “eye candy”. He doesn’t watch but I’ve told him of the men’s behavior. I’ve said pretty is as pretty does. Ashton, Tanner & Kevin are ugly as sin in my eyes, based on their character, or lack there of. I’d add in Brian among the ugly men, but I tend to forget he exists...

I was disappointed in this episode (& with WWH afterward). I was hoping they would address the issues of Smashton and the negative behaviors of the male crew. (But I don’t think the female crew are perfect, just not guilty of sexual assault...) Lee should have been shown the Smashton clips. Kate stated to that production person that she felt unsafe. But she should have left a note for the captain, telling him why she left. If asshat Smashton (or even Ashton) returns next season, I think I’ll check out of BD. I’d prefer all the male crew be blackballed from yachting. The female crew is another story. I think Kate just let things build up. She hears everyone saying how much a bitch she is, how they hate her. Smashton instigated much of this. Kate, in an interview was asked why she didn’t tell the captain. She responded with a little laugh, that she thought she was having Stockholm syndrome. That might be a bit of an exaggeration but it has a germ of truth. She hears all the male crew and her two stews talking about how much of a bitch she is. Rylee is seen comforting her crying at least twice. She hasn’t trained her stews but they really aren’t willing to take direction. She (& Ashton) had no choice in who was hired. Lee even said that crew had to audition via Skype, but he didn’t. I bet that these stews (and trashy deck crew) were productions’ choice because of these negative qualities. Regarding Kate’s “resting bitch face”: does anyone know if she’s had Botox? She doesn’t really show emotion until she’s pushed past her limits, then it’s tears, but no change in facial expression. Those drunken outings are not for everyone. I don’t think I’ve seen Kate happy once this season during these outings. I think they should be optional. But most of all, they need to find deck crew with morals. Not angels, but at least respect for coworkers. OK, now Rylee. I think that Ashton quickly learned how to push her buttons. And she responded how he wanted her to. I think she was too sympathetic to Kate, so Ashton had to find ways to undermine her. I would love have Kate keep her as a stew if Asshole gets his way to fire her. At least for 6 more days...

I suspect Ashton will escape any punishment for his behavior. My guess is that he’ll deflect everything to Rylee. Anyone but himself or his male crew. “Smashton” can’t remember what he did the night before. He drunkenly cannonballs destroying dj equipment. He gets violent, repeatedly talks shit about Kate, saying repeatedly to all crew that she is a “bitch” and gets away with murder. I think pot : kettle. Only Kate doesn’t sabotage him, he does that great all by himself. The blackouts say he has a alcohol/substance abuse problem. His violent behavior says he might have mommy issues. i think Kate and Ashton’s “leadership” deficiencies are similar. Kate doesn’t teach her less experienced crew, Ashton doesn’t train his female crew. But Kate doesn’t berate him to his crew, something that Ashton has repeatedly done. Kate is left with all everyone hating/blaming her. Look at Kevin, he blames her for his mistakes, he not looking at the preference sheet for each passenger. Then everyone is blaming Kate, falling in behind Ashton’s “she’s an entitled bitch.” I was very disappointed in Bravo’s dealing with this. I do think Captain Lee should have known about Smashton in real time, firing him or sending him to rehab. i know Kate isn’t perfect, but she is the more professional. Smashton is not at all professional. One thing that was said at least once but not emphasized is Kate saying she didn’t feel safe around Ashton while back on the boat.

According to my memory, this is Billy’s second attempt on Adam’s life. Back when Sage & what’s his name went to rescue Adam & Billy from the burning car etc. Billy was guilty of kidnapping and attempted murder of Adam. He had him at gunpoint, shot him, then left him to die in a burning car. To make matters worse, he left an “innocent” man to die in that car. (Of course Sage brought Adam home to impersonate her crispy critter...) So to my very armchair “legal expertise” that means Billy was guilty of kidnapping, attempted murder, leaving the scene of a deadly crash as well as manslaughter/murder of Sage’s crispy critter. Now he is again guilty of at least attempted murder of Billy, if Chloe is killed or injured, attempted murder/manslaughter of her. When Chloe is the sanest one, it’s a sad day. and where is Paul? And Christine? I know she isn’t the DA but she’d still be in town. Are they writing them out or what?

Don’t forget that Victor gaslighted Sharon as well. He hired someone at Newman to sabotage her meds, he hired Mariah to gaslight Sharon etc. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, but I don’t hear GC saying how evil Victor is. Everything is real-time...

All this confirms my version: if it was “real” life, Ashley would never be pregnant, but a hysterical pregnancy more likely. Even if she was pregnant, she was showing signs of losing the baby from the beginning. But Victor just danced off, no nurses etc to monitor her. Also the history of psychological problems related to pregnancy. If Adam is so guilty then Victor is also guilty of neglect for leaving a medically and psychologically fragile wife alone, without nurses.