S07.E02: They Don’t Know

[libgirl2]

6 minutes ago, RealReality said:

I'm not a man but I think for some it probably seems less seedy than trolling the mall for young girls to date or being that grandpa in the club that most young women laugh at.  

I think for others it's a control issue.  Financial control, control of the green card.  A hot young American twenty something can probably find some douchey finance bro, doctor or software engineer her own age or only slightly older.  

For others, I think they feel it looks more classy if they have a young, exotic "model/student" instead of an American girl.  

I think a big part of it is control. They hold the money, they dangle the green card. I also think some men believe a woman who comes from a certain country will be more subservient and traditional.... wanting to stay home, have kids, keep house and love her Lord and Master. There are also guys who can't find an American woman that lives up to their standards because they aren't the most attractive, looks, financial personality.......

I just realized, my husband's uncle is married to a woman he met online dating. She is Vietnamese. He is in his late 60s and while she is younger (I think she is in her 40s), she has a college education. They live mostly in the US but spend holidays in Vietnam. He is kind of an odd duck though. 

Edited November 12, 2019 by libgirl2

[magemaud]

2 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Emily's voice and strange speech rhythm (lots of odd pauses) remind me of someone.  But, I can't place who it is. 

The singsong way she talks AND acts reminds me a lot of "Corny" from a couple of seasons ago who went to Spain to meet the love of her life. 

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, RealReality said:

I'm not a man but I think for some it probably seems less seedy than trolling the mall for young girls to date or being that grandpa in the club that most young women laugh at.  

I think for others it's a control issue.  Financial control, control of the green card.  A hot young American twenty something can probably find some douchey finance bro, doctor or software engineer her own age or only slightly older.  

For others, I think they feel it looks more classy if they have a young, exotic "model/student" instead of an American girl.  

Yeah, there almost HAS to be an ulterior motive to this. Meeting someone on vacation, interacting online in a shared forum, introduced by friends, etc I can understand. (I met my husband because I decided to move to the UK for grad school and he wound up being my roommate. It was more or less organic.) For those who go out of their way, though...I think there really is some self-esteem issues going on: either they think VERY highly of themselves and want some kind of control over their conquest or they think lowly of themselves and believe that they have a better chance of hooking up with a beauty if they go outside the states. I REALLY give the side eye to the men who are 15+ years older than their spouses. That feels intentional. 

[FrancescaFiore]

30 minutes ago, nutella fitzgerald said:

Have you gotten to the snails yet? 😘 

Yeek! No. Please don't tell me she brought tiny red hats for Mykull's pet snails or something crazier than is already happening with those two!!

[blubld43]

2 hours ago, DiamondGirl said:

Maybe a rowboat party.

Dying laughing. Poor Pao, she's a good ten years past the yacht girl lifestyle.

I also think Juliana is stunning. She looks like she's 14 years old, a child crying in that one scene. It's heartbreaking to know that young girls all over are trying to buy their way out of poverty with the only thing they've got.

[mamadrama]

The more I think about it, the more I call shenanigans on the phone call Michael got at the jewelers. We never heard her voice. I think either the phone call was fake (possibly a producer calling in) or it was a recreated event from the past. I wouldn't be surprised if the car was NOT a surprise. This dude has my hinky meter up. If he REALLY loved her like he claims then why keep mentioning the prostitute thing and money amounts? He *should be smart enough to know that these anecdotes are giving us a character composite of Juliana that's not altogether positive. He WANTS us to know how much money he has spent on her. The guy is looking for a pat on the back and a hot younger model. 

[mamadrama]

2 hours ago, DiamondGirl said:

Maybe a rowboat party.

That reminds me of what a friend said about the movie TROY when Diane Kruegar was cast as Helen: "THIS is supposed to be the face that launched a thousand ships? Maybe a couple of dinghys..."

(FWIW, I think she's attractive but it was still funny at the time.)

[Pepper Mostly]

21 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

The more I think about it, the more I call shenanigans on the phone call Michael got at the jewelers. We never heard her voice. I think either the phone call was fake (possibly a producer calling in) or it was a recreated event from the past. I wouldn't be surprised if the car was NOT a surprise. This dude has my hinky meter up. If he REALLY loved her like he claims then why keep mentioning the prostitute thing and money amounts? He *should be smart enough to know that these anecdotes are giving us a character composite of Juliana that's not altogether positive. He WANTS us to know how much money he has spent on her. The guy is looking for a pat on the back and a hot younger model. 

I cosign this 100%. He's showing off. "I'm so rich and I'm dating a hot Brazilian model!" He gives me the creeps. I thought the call might be staged except he looked like he was having chest pains and shortness of breath when he was talking about it. 

Nine months pregnant Emily complaining about the cold? I am always cold but when I was pregnant I never buttoned up my coat or wore socks, I was so hot all the time! 

[Callaphera]

12 hours ago, GuiltiestPleasures said:

Sure, there is a sub-set of sex workers who really enjoy their work and do it willingly. But there are many more who are using it as a way to escape grinding poverty, feed a drug habit, or for other depressing reasons.

But, in this particular case, we're talking about Juliana potentially being trafficked as at least a teenager if not a pre-teen. Children cannot consent to sex work and even if they could, no 15-year-old should be handed around to dirty old men. It isn't the same thing at all.

You were talking about Juliana specifically, I was talking in broad strokes. That's why I didn't quote anyone's post. I thought the Rice Krispies comment gave it away as a joke but I guess not.

I think it's a bit of a leap to assume that she was trafficked because someone asked her on her K1 interview if she was a prostitute in the past ten years. From what I've come across, it seems to be a pretty standard question and it seemed like a lot of bad acting on both Juliana and Michael's parts what with the whole pearl clutching and "How dare they?!" and "No, she's not a prostitute." There needs to be drama and a storyline after coming out of the consulate meetings - if they came out all smiles and holding hands, there's no place for a dramatic commercial break. This is a TV show, not a documentary. I assume 85-90% of what we see is made up or recreated for dramatic purposes. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by Callaphera

[Jeanne222]

I thought she was asked the question because she has so many stamps on her passport!  I'm pretty sure the police have a good idea which modeling agencies hire models and which modeling agencies hire party girls!

He met Julianne on a yacht party.  She was one of the girls.

[Rt66vintage]

1 hour ago, mamadrama said:

 For those who go out of their way, though...I think there really is some self-esteem issues going on: either they think VERY highly of themselves and want some kind of control over their conquest or they think lowly of themselves and believe that they have a better chance of hooking up with a beauty if they go outside the states. I REALLY give the side eye to the men who are 15+ years older than their spouses. That feels intentional. 

I'm going with #2. After watching a few videos of international dating, Love Me, Diary of a Mail Order Bride, the men are getting older, heavier and losing their hair. Their self esteem has taken a hit. They've seen a lot of divorces among themselves and friends, they've discussed MGTOW stuff, and they're convinced a foreign woman is a smart & convenient way to fulfill this empty wife part of their life. I know it works out for some couples, but how can it work if there's  a language barrier? 

[sainte-chapelle]

On 11/11/2019 at 4:13 PM, Silver Bells said:

I so much love you send money for me.  Baby, I so much need two hundred dollars  for needing haircut, baby.  Send Union Western.  Hahahahahaha.  

Is it wrong that I miss Zied? His 'Ziedisms' were hilarious

[mrsh]

On 11/11/2019 at 7:41 PM, GuiltiestPleasures said:

I certainly hope so but in the wake of Epstein, I don't think we can just accept that she was a (ostensibly) consenting adult when she was first trafficked for sex. I mean, she was only 20 when she met Michael and her passports already had "lots" of stamps in it from her jet-setting ways. So that couldn't have just happened over night.

I also don't think that asking about working as a prostitute is on the standard ICE interview sheet (I've done some asylum work) but is probably something they include when there are suspicions. 

But no matter when it started, I think piling on a super young, super poor girl for turning to sex work to support herself is kind of gross. Why is it always the prostitute who gets blamed and abused in these situations when really the focus should be on the Johns who exploited her.

I applied for citizenship about 5 years ago and the question about being a prostitute in the past 10 years was on the questionnaire. I can assure you, I have not ever been a prostitute but it's a standard question for all, aling with questions on terrorism. Julianna was not being singled out, in my opinion she got butthurt over the question because she knows she's been paid for sex before. nothing wrong with that in my book as long as she was a consenting adult, but it hit a nerve for her. Michael was also butthurt because he knows and probably started the relationship by paying for sex. 

[nutella fitzgerald]

Has Anna mentioned where exactly her kids’ dad is? I get the feeling that if he were around AD AAALLLLL, she would have pulled a Larissa and gone to Turkey to be with Mursel and his beloved pizza.

[magemaud]

19 minutes ago, nutella fitzgerald said:

Has Anna mentioned where exactly her kids’ dad is?

All she said was the boys' father "hadn't been in their lives for a couple of years." Since the boys are reportedly "full brothers" and their ages are 15, 14 and 6, there might be a story about the 8 year gap between Gino and Leo. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by magemaud
edited to correct timeline

[SemiCharmedLife]

8 hours ago, mamadrama said:

Okay, so I am calling bullshit on some of the Michael/Juliana plot crap. 

First of all, she is a "real" model-not, like, Pao paying someone to forget about putting her in the database. Juliana is signed with two legitimate agencies. Showing proof of that would help her get over those "lots of stamps in her passport." 

Secondly, the "have you worked as a prostitute in the past 10 years" is a standard question in the interview-NOT something to get their knickers in a twist about. My own husband was asked that. 

This whole will she/won't she get the visa storyline sounds just like that-a storyline. They may drag it out to the end of the season, but I would bet good money that she'll eventually come here and they'll marry. Their story needs SOME kind of tension. This is probably it. 

I agree with these points.  I think the couple needed some added drama for the show.  On one hand, he's told his children she's coming and already purchased a house, but in his TH, he's thinks she has a 50% chance of being approved.  Come on!  

Also, I may be naive, but aren't there all types of modeling?  Hiring beautiful girls to be at your yacht party doesn't automatically indicate sex work.  Models of different levels do all sorts of "gigs" that don't involve sex work, such as product promotions, etc.

I agree that the offending question is simply one that is asked of applicants, along with questions about terrorism and breaking other laws.

[Auntie Anxiety]

On 11/11/2019 at 12:40 PM, magemaud said:

you forgot the yellow stone!

Michael should have just bought an Olympics pin and called it a day.

Edited November 13, 2019 by Auntie Anxiety

[Mu Shu]

On 11/11/2019 at 10:41 PM, GuiltiestPleasures said:

I certainly hope so but in the wake of Epstein, I don't think we can just accept that she was a (ostensibly) consenting adult when she was first trafficked for sex. I mean, she was only 20 when she met Michael and her passports already had "lots" of stamps in it from her jet-setting ways. So that couldn't have just happened over night.

I also don't think that asking about working as a prostitute is on the standard ICE interview sheet (I've done some asylum work) but is probably something they include when there are suspicions. 

But no matter when it started, I think piling on a super young, super poor girl for turning to sex work to support herself is kind of gross. Why is it always the prostitute who gets blamed and abused in these situations when really the focus should be on the Johns who exploited her.

Why Is it assumed she’s a prostitute? She’s travelled and worked yacht parties. Not all girls who work parties date. She could be escorting, but jumping to the conclusion that she was turned out as a child is based on what? Not every poor woman from South America was prostituted. Most probably weren’t. Maybe she dances. That’s legal and not hooking per se. 

Damn my phone for trying to turn prostitute to Prostitution Whore. 

[RealReality]

48 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Why Is it assumed she’s a prostitute? She’s travelled and worked yacht parties. Not all girls who work parties date. She could be escorting, but jumping to the conclusion that she was turned out as a child is based on what? Not every poor woman from South America was prostituted. Most probably weren’t. Maybe she dances. That’s legal and not hooking per se. 

Damn my phone for trying to turn prostitute to Prostitution Whore. 

I think Julianna engaged in sex work.

First - even if she is a model with a reputable agency, there is a ton of competition out there for models and even more so in the age of actresses and social media stars poaching campaigns traditionally for models.  

In short, there are a few top slots and a bevy of women competing for them.  Many models who were signed with agencies, even back in the day weren't able to make a good living.  

So these days I don't think that traditional "models" don't make a high income.

So, for a poor girl from a poor town in brazil.....who probably has a family she has to send money to and wants to live a lifestyle she cannot afford on her income.....the chance to make a pretty good extra check on sex work is probably very tempting 

Second -  there are enough very pretty high dollar escorts who would happily spend a weekend on a yacht and have sex with whomever. 

Why would you hire a girl who absolutely won't have sex, when you can hire an escort who can entertain the guys who don't want to have sex and can entertain the guys who DO want to have sex?

If you're inviting a bunch of horny old toads to your yacht party why waste money paying a girl who won't have sex when you can find one just as pretty who will. 

Maybe if there was another hook?  If she was a stunning conversationalist?  But high end escorts are often college educated so they will have a great conversation AND/OR sex.  

If these are international yacht parties it's likely that they don't all even speak the same language.  So why would anyone pay Julianna to hang out solely for conversation if many of the men could barely communicate with her? 

Third - the over the top reaction to the whole thing.  

fourth - all those passport stamps.

Maybe Julianna is being jetted off for high end international photo shoots but clients who have that kind of dough are pretty big time.  So, if this is the case, I'm sure her portfolio is full of work for very exciting and big name clients. 

now, maybe she never got paid to be on these yachts.....but that seems weird.  If I'm a creepy kinda guy with money and I want make sure my fellow creepy guy friends have a great time...I'm probably going to ensure a high female to male ratio and make sure that the beautiful women are guaranteed to be charming and down for whatever.

the easiest means to this end is to just hire the "sure bets"

ETA- I don't think that most poor South American women are hookers or victims of child sex trafficking.  But I know that there is often an obligation to financially help the family if you're "doing well" or perceived as "doing well"

Edited November 13, 2019 by RealReality

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

15 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

Wow, a tad insulting to some of us single mothers. 😐 (My guess is she...works?)

Mad props to every hard working  single parent of all time, no insult meant.  Often fiances are tight for single parents for necessities alone .  Made me wonder what her career is. She can't do that off her beehives! 3 boys! The shoes alone ! $$$$ and I wonder if her ex helps. 

Also, Michael's new home in Greenwich isn't even in Greenwich it's in a suburb. Purchased for over a million,  but in Greenwich city limits and to some degree suburbs nearby small but nice homes can sell for that.  A Nebraska 350k home is a million $ home in/near Greenwich. 

I wanna follow the actual money on these clowns . It would explain a lot. 

[KateHearts]

16 hours ago, FrancescaFiore said:

Although we haven't been subjected to more TrashcAngela & Myykul yet this season, I'm just now going back through the seasons and watching the first one with Big Ange.

 MAAAAAAANNN, the past 3 years haven't been kind to her face. 

You know she'll say that it's Michael's fault.  "See mah face?! YOU do this to me when you LAH, MAHKULL!!!"

[Mothra]

I have been away and am not caught up, and I apologize if this has already been posted.

Turkish pizza:

What is Lahmacun?

Lahmacun is also known as Turkish Pizza (or Armenian Pizza). It brings a cracker thin crust together with a flavorful (and sometimes spicy) minced meat topping.

While lahmacun (pronounced LA-ha-MA-chewn) may look like pizza, it is very different. There is no cheese. It is traditionally spicy. And, the dough is SUPER thin. It’s also eaten rolled up, burrito style.

It might not be the first think that comes to your mind when you think of pizza, but like Polish Pizza, Turkish pizza is the perfect street food. It’s super portable but also incredibly flavorful and satisfying.

https://www.curiouscuisiniere.com/lahmacun-turkish-pizza/

[mamadrama]

12 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I cosign this 100%. He's showing off. "I'm so rich and I'm dating a hot Brazilian model!" He gives me the creeps. I thought the call might be staged except he looked like he was having chest pains and shortness of breath when he was talking about it. 

Nine months pregnant Emily complaining about the cold? I am always cold but when I was pregnant I never buttoned up my coat or wore socks, I was so hot all the time! 

It was very much a humblebrag. I kept waiting for: "Well, I don't really want to talk about how much money I've given her because I haven't added it up except for, oh wait, what's this notepad in my pocket tallying up all her expenses? I've spent exactly $104,321.32 on here so far. But money doesn't really mean anything...would you like to see an itemized list?"

[Azubah]

I seriously don't care if Juliana is a sex worker. I mean, if she was trafficked when she was younger, that's horrible, obviously. But I don't think there's any moral issue with a woman in her early 20s working the party circuit. What difference does it make? Is this a purity-culture thing? I had a few stamps on my passport by age 22. Nobody paid for them, but that's irrelevant. So far, she seems like a nice person. She has a really sweet smile.

And if Michael didn't put a clear limit on her spending, that's on him. He's trying to party with the Jeffrey Epstein crowd, the guys who have literally hundreds of millions of dollars (even billions), and he's in the tens of millions category so a few extra car purchases here and there are noticeable to him. If I were his ex-wife, I'd be keeping an eye on the kids' college funds.

[PityFree]

3 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Mad props to every hard working  single parent of all time, no insult meant.  Often fiances are tight for single parents for necessities alone .  Made me wonder what her career is. She can't do that off her beehives! 3 boys! The shoes alone ! $$$$ and I wonder if her ex helps. 

Also, Michael's new home in Greenwich isn't even in Greenwich it's in a suburb. Purchased for over a million,  but in Greenwich city limits and to some degree suburbs nearby small but nice homes can sell for that.  A Nebraska 350k home is a million $ home in/near Greenwich. 

I wanna follow the actual money on these clowns . It would explain a lot. 

Maybe bee keeping pays well. I have no idea. But I do know more than a couple of people who have family in Nebraska who get substantial income for renting out their family’s land to farm or to graze.  Usually the land has been in the family for many generations.  It’s possible Anna gets passive income from something like that. It’s also possible TLC isn’t telling us the whole story and Anna owns a health/beauty company like Burt’s Bees only smaller.

As far as Michael goes, I wouldn’t be surprised if he lucked out and had some tech stock or made some money with an IPO. Maybe he had enough money to be able to retire and does his wine thing as a hobby—but for purposes of the show he says it’s his job.  He has enough money to buy a $4000 necklace, but he doesn’t have enough money to not ask about the price.

Edited November 13, 2019 by PityFree

[AZChristian]

10 minutes ago, PityFree said:

It’s also possible TLC isn’t telling us the whole story and Anna owns a health/beauty company like Burt’s Bees only smaller.

Yes, she does.

[gonecrackers]

3 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Yes, she does.

Interesting timing for the new website & online shop...

But honey bees are great for the environment so at least she has something valuable to offer. 

Reg. how things are for her with Mursel, I guess that remains to be seen.

[Azubah]

2 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

Interesting timing for the new website & online shop...

Yes indeed! Weird marketing tactic -- "I'm going to look like a bad mom and an incompetent bozo on a cable reality show! It'll sell tons of honey!", but on the other hand, I never would have heard about it if not for TLC (and this forum, of course).

[RealReality]

53 minutes ago, Azubah said:

I seriously don't care if Juliana is a sex worker. I mean, if she was trafficked when she was younger, that's horrible, obviously. But I don't think there's any moral issue with a woman in her early 20s working the party circuit. What difference does it make? Is this a purity-culture thing? I had a few stamps on my passport by age 22. Nobody paid for them, but that's irrelevant. So far, she seems like a nice person. She has a really sweet smile.

And if Michael didn't put a clear limit on her spending, that's on him. He's trying to party with the Jeffrey Epstein crowd, the guys who have literally hundreds of millions of dollars (even billions), and he's in the tens of millions category so a few extra car purchases here and there are noticeable to him. If I were his ex-wife, I'd be keeping an eye on the kids' college funds.

I think Julianna was a sex worker, but like you, I don't think it says anything negative or is an indictment of her.  

I roll my eyes at the "how dare they!" reaction, like I did when Annie did it.  

One way to take the stigma off women who engage in sex work is to stop trying to make it something that is shameful to the woman.  So I wish they would just admit to it and own it. 

There is everything in the world wrong with sex trafficking, exploration of women and child sex rings....but these are things wrong with the buyers and middlemen......not the victims. 

I don't think michael has as much money as he wants me to think he has.   I would be surprised to learn he is in the tens of millions category.  He is for sure the bill Gates of 90 DF, but let's be fair, it only takes earning over $26,000 to put someone in like the 90DF one percenters club

Edited November 13, 2019 by RealReality

[RealReality]

16 minutes ago, Azubah said:

Yes indeed! Weird marketing tactic -- "I'm going to look like a bad mom and an incompetent bozo on a cable reality show! It'll sell tons of honey!", but on the other hand, I never would have heard about it if not for TLC (and this forum, of course).

LOL, people have all sorts of fantasies about how this show will boost sales or further their career without any proof that it actually does. 

How many times have we seen someone with the idea to "launch" or "further" a modelling career off this show?

Tania thinks she is going to use this show to sell a bunch of soap, though I find her wildly unlikeable.  

Syngin thinks he is going to get a free camper van. 

Mark probably thought a bunch of old creepy dudes would suddenly want to rent pianos.  

Nicole and "the store(s)"

The best anyone will get out of this show are social media sponsorships. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by RealReality

[magemaud]

11 hours ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

Michael should have just bought an Olympics pin and called it a day

or one of those pendants you give a grandmother with all her grandchildren's birthstones. 

[BallisticNikki]

18 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

I have a simple question.  Why would an American male look for love in another country, go thru the expense of travel and then the hassle of a K1, when there are millions of single women here in the United States?  We have matchmakers and web sites for singles.  Either way, you’re taking a chance.  Why bother with someone from another Country?  I don’t get it.  What’s the allure?

I have a male friend (52 ys old) who is seriously considering doing this. The reason is bc he cannot find anyone here in the US who meets his "needs." He is average looking but socially awkward and not generally considered appealing within his ethnic group. He briefly dated one woman in the 18 yrs I've known him. And that lasted about 3 weeks, was apparently uncomfortable for both ppl and i'm pretty sure no sex happened. He travels a lot now and has decided nonAmerican women are more gentle, more innocent, more loving, less garish, and less promiscuous. He has ruled out American women who: are older than 30 (too much baggage), have kids (who needs the headache?), have been married (surely old feelings linger), are not 9s or 10s (duhh) and have "attitudes." 

When he travels, he supposedly meets throngs of young, beautiful, single women who are throwing themselves at him but.....marriage plans are always thwarted somehow by their families or some kind of miscommunication. 

So....mail order it will likely be.

10 hours ago, RealReality said:

First - even if she is a model with a reputable agency, there is a ton of competition out there for models ...

Second -  there are enough very pretty high dollar escorts who would happily spend a weekend on a yacht and have sex with whomever....

Third - the over the top reaction to the whole thing.  

fourth - all those passport stamps.

Yeah, very few models jet set around the world for their work. Only the top tier land international print/runway/fit work like that consistently. And I think Michael even said he was bringing her here to help her launch her career. So she can't be both an international supermodel and poor, starving aspiring model.

2 hours ago, Azubah said:

I seriously don't care if Juliana is a sex worker. So far, she seems like a nice person. She has a really sweet smile.

But it is the job of the US gov't to screen out sex workers and try to ensure immigrants will have either legitimate careers or lasting marriages here. So that's why they care.

Edited November 13, 2019 by BallisticNikki

[magemaud]

3 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

I have a male friend (52 ys old) who is seriously considering doing this. The reason is bc he cannot find anyone here in the US who meets his "needs." He is average looking but socially awkward and not generally considered appealing within his ethnic group. He briefly dated one woman in the 18 yrs I've known him. And that lasted about 3 weeks, was apparently uncomfortable for both ppl and i'm pretty sure no sex happened. He travels a lot now and has decided nonAmerican women are more gentle, more innocent, more loving, less garish, and less promiscuous. He has ruled out American women who: are older than 30 (too much baggage), have kids (who needs the headache?), have been married (surely old feelings linger), are not 9s or 10s (duhh) and have "attitudes." 

When he travels, he supposedly meets throngs of young, beautiful, single women who are throwing themselves at him but.....marriage plans are always thwarted somehow by their families or some kind of miscommunication. 

He sounds perfect for this franchise! 

[Bryce Lynch]

2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

Yes, she does.

Looks like she just launched the website 10 days ago.  She is clearly looking to cash in on her 90DF fame.   

Apparently, MRSA has had some influence:

"Turkish beehive unique design with dimensions of langstroth hives so you can interchange frames and boxes."

I guess beehives, like everything else, are better in Turkey.  

[LGGirl]

17 hours ago, blubld43 said:

I also think Juliana is stunning. She looks like she's 14 years old, a child crying in that one scene.

Yeah.  That’s what I find creepy about Micheal.  She looks closer to 13 than 23.   If you watch their dynamic, she acts like a daughter.   She sits on his lap like a kid.  It’s seems deliberate on her part.  My guess is that he doesn’t want a hot adult woman but a woman who looks like a child.  I’m not accusing him of being a pedophile, but he just skeeves me out.  

I think he will be good to her.  But when she eventually starts looking her age, will the relationship fall apart?   I’m not worried about her.  I think she is a survivor and will land on her feet if she comes to the US. 

[Bryce Lynch]

5 minutes ago, magemaud said:

He sounds perfect for this franchise! 

And BALLISTICNIKKI can be his "voice of reason" friend, who he ignores when she warns him the woman only wants to harvest American dollars and get a green card.  

[gonecrackers]

11 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

Looks like she just launched the website 10 days ago.  She is clearly looking to cash in on her 90DF fame.   

I think, from the responses I've seen online boards thus far, Anna may do better than her counterparts. Despite her choices many people want to support bees because they are good for the environment, & the natural honey related products are very marketable.

That said she'll probably be forgotten eventually as well unless she really works to keep herself out there for her business.

One thing I do appreciate about these two is they met because of a specific, shared interest; she didn't go for the younger hottie just to get some D. They can do this business together so they might just make it.

However, I do hope she protects her interests just in case they don't work out.

Edited November 13, 2019 by gonecrackers

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, RealReality said:

LOL, people have all sorts of fantasies about how this show will boost sales or further their career without any proof that it actually does. 

How many times have we seen someone with the idea to "launch" or "further" a modelling career off this show?

Tania thinks she is going to use this show to sell a bunch of soap, though I find her wildly unlikeable.  

Syngin thinks he is going to get a free camper van. 

Mark probably thought a bunch of old creepy dudes would suddenly want to rent pianos.  

Nicole and "the store(s)"

The best anyone will get out of this show are social media sponsorships. 

You're right, almost every couple that has been on one of the iterations of the 90 Day franchise has some kind of product they're trying to promote. Add to your list Darcey's "House of 11", Jesse's coffee business, Jonathan's fake Pashmina business, Avery's online store and even Danielle was selling a photo calendar well before Pao got the idea. There are probably many more that I'm not thinking of right now. They might make a few dollars while their story is being aired, but nobody is launching a Fortune 500 company. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

17 minutes ago, magemaud said:

He sounds perfect for this franchise! 

I agree he sounds perfect, but does he have a secret??

[Adeejay]

@BallisticNikki, I strongly disagree that bony, flat Juliana is the most beautiful woman to ever grace this franchise. In my humble opinion, that title belongs to the lovely Kirlyam from Season One. Who by the way, is also Brazilian. 

Edited November 13, 2019 by Adeejay

[MajorNelson]

2 hours ago, gonecrackers said:

2 hours ago, AZChristian said:

Yes, she does.

Interesting timing for the new website & online shop...

But honey bees are great for the environment so at least she has something valuable to offer. 

Her domain was setup in 2017 and just pointed to her facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/beautyandthebeeshoney

In 2019 she used an Etsy site for awhile.

She seems a dedicated bee/honey businessperson, going to Farmers Markets, Renaissance Faires, Schools etc.  

[magemaud]

24 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

42 minutes ago, magemaud said:

He sounds perfect for this franchise! 

I agree he sounds perfect, but does he have a secret??

Of course he does! Even the smallest, least important "dirt" about his life can be magnified into a big dark secret to keep viewers on the edge of their seats waiting for the big reveal (which often turns out to be a huge letdown.) 

[libgirl2]

6 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Of course he does! Even the smallest, least important "dirt" about his life can be magnified into a big dark secret to keep viewers on the edge of their seats waiting for the big reveal (which often turns out to be a huge letdown.) 

very true. Its funny with all the turmoil Annie and David seemed to go through, they are awfully happy. They seem awfully settled and not at all the mess they were portrayed as being. 

[FrancescaFiore]

6 hours ago, KateHearts said:

You know she'll say that it's Michael's fault.  "See mah face?! YOU do this to me when you LAH, MAHKULL!!!"

Yah, Ange seems like the type to blame everything but the obvious culprit for the haggard condition of her face: smoking like a chimney and too much time in the sun. Also, being naturally hideous. 

[Gobi]

15 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Of course he does! Even the smallest, least important "dirt" about his life can be magnified into a big dark secret to keep viewers on the edge of their seats waiting for the big reveal (which often turns out to be a huge letdown.) 

This could be the end of the relationship!

[BallisticNikki]

58 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

@BallisticNikki, I strongly disagree that bony, flat Julieta is the most beautiful woman to ever grace this franchise. In my humble opinion, that title belongs to the lovely Kirlyam from Season One. Who by the way, is also Brazilian. 

You're entitled to your opinion, I suppose! (I agree Kirlyam was pretty, tho.)

Everyone will jump on me, I'm sure. But I think Pao is 2nd. No, wait, Miriam from Paris is 2nd and Pao is 3rd. I could be forgetting someone but I doubt it. 

💣💥💫

[ducks, covers head and runs out]

***

Who is the best looking guy?

Edited November 13, 2019 by BallisticNikki

[Mrs. Hanson]

56 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

@BallisticNikki, I strongly disagree that bony, flat Julieta is the most beautiful woman to ever grace this franchise. In my humble opinion, that title belongs to the lovely Kirlyam from Season One. Who by the way, is also Brazilian. 

I vote for Olga.  Of Stephen and Olga fame.

39 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Of course he does! Even the smallest, least important "dirt" about his life can be magnified into a big dark secret to keep viewers on the edge of their seats waiting for the big reveal (which often turns out to be a huge letdown.) 

He once had a PARKING TICKET he forgot to pay!!!  HORRORS!!!

[Spike]

1 hour ago, BallisticNikki said:

He travels a lot now and has decided nonAmerican women are more gentle, more innocent, more loving, less garish, and less promiscuous.

American woman, stay away from me.  American woman, mama let me be.

[RealReality]

5 minutes ago, BallisticNikki said:

You're entitled to your opinion, I suppose! (I agree Kirlyam was pretty, tho.)

Everyone will jump on me, I'm sure. But I think Pao is 2nd. No, wait, Miriam from Paris is 2nd and Pao is 3rd.

💣💥💫

[ducks, covers head and runs out]

Not sure where I land in this debate, but it can't be with Pao even in the top five.  

Mostly because of that face, she kinda has these weird duck lips that pooch out.  But she has really nice hair and she had a fantastic, strong and fit body. 

I will get even more flack, but I think Larissa is really pretty, I think Amy is naturally beautiful and I also thought Maria was really pretty.  

[BallisticNikki]

10 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Not sure where I land in this debate, but it can't be with Pao even in the top five.  

Mostly because of that face, she kinda has these weird duck lips that pooch out.  But she has really nice hair and she had a fantastic, strong and fit body. 

I will get even more flack, but I think Larissa is really pretty, I think Amy is naturally beautiful and I also thought Maria was really pretty.  

Nice hair???? She's going bald! She has to dye it light or wear clip ins to camouflage it. Maybe she had nice hair at one point? 🤔😂

Which one is Maria? I'm losing track....😩

Edited November 13, 2019 by BallisticNikki