S11.E15: Life is Not a Cabaret

[RedheadZombie]

12 hours ago, twilightzone said:

Bethenny has already given Luann several passes.  I believe Bethenny.  She gave too many specific details.  I also think the other women knew the truth.   But once again, it's all about the entitled Countess and her inflated ego. 

We now know that she had violated her probation and never really stopped drinking.  And Page Six just reported that she is demanding a big raise for HW; thinking she's a "big star" because of her cabaret act.

I believe Bethenny because Lu didn't deny one thing.  If someone accused me of wondering in a field with a negligee and the cops being payed off, that would have earned a definite What the Fuck?

[Yours Truly]

11 hours ago, njbchlover said:

While I have never been a Bethenny apologist, and I totally agree that you shouldn't do for others to hold it over their heads, I TOTALLY get where she is coming from tonight.

If Bethenny truly did all she said she did, then, she should be deserving of more from Luann than we have seen from Luann this season.  More gratitude, more kindness, or even, more thanks.  Not falling down on the ground, bowing and scraping every time Bethenny enters a room, but just something.  

I have an in-law that we have done things for time and time and time again.  My husband has bailed him out of trouble (not actually bailed him out, like in jail - just other ways of bailing someone out of trouble) more times than I can count.  This last time, it cost my husband and I a great deal of money (thousands of dollars), and many, many hours of time and frustration on my husband's part.  We did it because he is family-for no other reason, and not expecting or asking for any thanks.  For all of this, I have never, ever heard a single word of thanks or gratitude from this person, but still, we continue to get calls for more help - financial help and assistance in other things.  This person has no qualms in acting horrible to my husband when he chooses to and shows no gratitude when he should.  It's frustrating and annoying as hell.

So, I get Bethenny has reached a breaking point.  For me, I have decided to not engage with the person in my family, and will not see/speak to him, until I can work through my issues with him and be civil - meaning I will not want to walk up to him and punch his face in.  My husband, unfortunately, still is dealing with him, at least for now.  

But that's not Lu.  What can you do if that's not who the person is? I don't think Lu is going out of her way to deliberately thumb her nose at Beth's help.  What I do understand is that there's a certain expectation that maybe stay mum about Beth when faced with a situation where she could rightly criticize Beth due to her "owing her one" but at the end of the day Lu doesn't really owe it to anyone not to call a spade a spade. And also it really isn't worth all the hyperventilating. 

"You're being such a bitch Lu, you know that...???" Is sufficient enough to air out any resentments. Why don't these women just do that. That's actually the best way to possibly get a genuine apology from her. One on one and short, sweet and to the point. But then we would have a show now would we?

[Gem 10]

Lu should go on vacation by herself and chill.  She knows these girls are bat shit crazy.

[Neurochick]

12 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Because then the other person can't trip into saying something that Beth can snatch up and make some snarking retort therefore derailing the argument, flustering the other with her motor mouth and no substance therefore "winning the argument". Beth is just as bad at arguing as Lu is. Neither can come back with biting wit Lu because she's not that quick, and Beth because she vomits everything all at once hoping something sounds remotely relevant to the conversation. 

The reason why BetheME helps people or does any giving is to get attention.  She wants people to see how wonderful SHE is.  She wants to be worshiped.

She lost her shit because Luann is just as selfish as she and didn't bow to the feet of the great BetheME. 

Luann is selfish and self centered, which is probably why she relapsed.  She used meetings as her personal stage and never did the work, never really looked at herself.  Until she does, she'll always relapse because she'll never admit that she was ever wrong.  "What do you get when a horse thief gets sober?  A sober horse thief, because if nothing changes, nothing changes.

But, if you have expectations that a person will behave this way or that and they don't, you get resentments and then YOU wind up looking crazy, like BetheME.  People are who they are and you either accept that, or move on.  

Edited June 13, 2019 by Neurochick

[Kdawg82]

13 hours ago, njbchlover said:

And, you are 100% correct in that, for most people attending meetings, people share their stories to help others.  But, personally, from what we have seen of Luann over the many seasons of RHNY, Luann hasn't accepted or realized that part of the AA method.  I truly think that Luann tells her story so that she will get praise from other meeting attendees.  I think that Luann thrives on attention, and AA meetings are just another means to an end for her with that attention seeking.

Of course, YMMV - this is just my opinion.

^ My opinion as well. LuAnn views the world as her stage. I'm sure she didn't really want Sonja there (now that I think about it- mich less in the outfit she was sporting, while I previously agreed with LuAnn on Sonja changing her top- it likely wasn't for the proper reason). When Sonja said how LuAnn acts at those meetings , it made a lightbulb go off in my mind. 

I know people like this. Maybe there are varying degrees of narcissistic personality disorder. LuAnn is at a 110 from 1-100.

[ButterQueen]

19 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Yes, they could have sent someone to fetch them, but that isn’t the point. Their point was that Lu was so far up her own butt that she didn’t read their text and bring anything back. She kept saying that she was at the beach for only 2 hours whereas the ladies clocked it more like 4. Perhaps a little drinky-poo and a nap? Then of course she had to go see the poster of herself and set it up on instagram (which she played off as “Oh look what I’ve come across” rather than the truth that she sought it out). Disingenuous with no shame about it. That didn’t end her entitlement. How dare the hairdresser want to leave and not do her hair. A crying shame that her massage felt rushed. They hired 3 masseuses. One was nice enough to at least give her a short rub down. Then hold up production and the others for dinner. What’s wrong with those people? They aren’t running on Lu time. She didn’t even care that they were running late to the AA meeting. Sonja was by the door waiting. I believe her words were something like “No judgement”. She clearly does not see anyone or anything else isimportant unless it benefits her. She’s a pompous asshole. 

I wouldn’t have left to get their fries either.  Lu knows how things work.  Not to mention, they were being hateful hags.

The container Ramona pulled from the to go bag seemed empty.

2 hours ago, Real Housewife LI said:

Because she has no empathy.

Neither does B.

[njbchlover]

8 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

I wouldn’t have left to get their fries either.  Lu knows how things work.  Not to mention, they were being hateful hags.

The container Ramona pulled from the to go bag seemed empty.

On the other hand, can you imagine Luann's haughty outrage at not getting a proper massage, or being last in line for hair and makeup if she DID bring back the fries?  

[Imagine Lu saying] "Look - I brought you back these lovely truffle fries, like you asked, and I STILL can't get a proper massage or be the first one to get my hair and makeup done??  I cut my swim short, and didn't get a chance to see my two dollar poster at the theatre - what do I get in return for being so selfless?  Where's my thanks-where's the gratitude TO me?" 

Edited June 13, 2019 by njbchlover

[thesupremediva1]

14 hours ago, film noire said:

Those women - more like a pack of bitches tonight - ran a bait and bully session on an alcoholic, and didn't even bat an eye. They piled on like toddlers diving into a ball pit.  

As much as the ladies championed Bethenny for being their collective voice, let me say I am THRILLED Lu finally called Beth what she is - a bully. Nothing more than a schoolyard mean-girl who counted every single solitary thing she ever did for anyone and waited for an opportunity to throw it in their face on camera.

Funny, she loathed Jill for (supposedly) doing the same thing. I was on Jill's side 10 years ago and now I see why. I think Beth is just the type of person to bait an alcoholic to drink, and I think she's just the type of friend  USER who would tell her BFF to "get a hobby" while BFF's hubby was dealing with a cancer scare.  You know, after BFF housed her and gave her a platform. Because everyone is jealous of BetheME (TM Neurochick!).

Sonja was so disrespectful and delusional in this ep, it was pathetic to watch. You're an adult, Sonja - not Bethenny's kid. You don't need to go to a meeting to please her. If you didn't want to go, you should have said no. AA doesn't work for all -  I get that - but to trash that meeting and the program the way she did  was un-fucking-conscienable. You actually expect me to believe that you live in NYC of all places and can't handle stories in AA? FUCK RIGHT OFF.

I lived in NYC - back in 2005 after Giuliani cleaned it up. I saw a dead body in my first 5 hours of residency. I passed countless homeless, crackheads, etc. in my years - on the subway and off. I guess I became like Lu - not hardened, just used to it and aware of my surroundings. Madame Morgan can't handle people telling their stories in Miami? She wants to "get the hook" and tell them to sit down?? What a worthless hag. 

Oh, and just so no one glosses over it - Bethenny's beastly shove of the glass into Lu's face was bordering on assault. She found some guttural nonsense to spew while she basically crawled onto the table to come at Lu. Lu is way more calm than me. She was certainly sober at THAT dinner,  because if I'd had even half a glass of wine and that UNSTABLE she-bitch came at me, I'd have broken her bony fucking arm in half and claimed self-defense.

Anyone who thinks Bethenny doesn't need serious medication after this ep is on another planet. Sonja needs AA, Lu needs AA and probably a substance abuse program, but Beth? Needs to see a good psychiatrist immediately. I have only ever gone off on someone the way Beth did once in my life, but never did I get in someone's face that way. In fact, I ran away from the other person because they were attempting to cause a violent altercation. There's something deep and dark in all of them, but last night I saw right into Frankel's soul and it's as bleak and black as Satan's lair.

Edited June 13, 2019 by thesupremediva1
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[SweetieDarling]

Bethenny has been seeing current Mr Boston dude since before Dennis' death, correct? And, if I'm not mistaken, the other women were aware she was dating him and spending weekends in Boston since. Why would Lu, or any of them, feel the need to ask Beth how she's coping, when she seems to have moved on?

[thesupremediva1]

20 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Bethenny has been seeing current Mr Boston dude since before Dennis' death, correct? And, if I'm not mistaken, the other women were aware she was dating him and spending weekends in Boston since. Why would Lu, or any of them, feel the need to ask Beth how she's coping, when she seems to have moved on?

This storyline doesn't suit B's anymore, so now she was engaged to Dennis and wearing his ring. And he was "her guy." You know, there was that hot waiter in the earlier Christmas party ep, but Dennis Dennis Dennis. And Boston Guy has been in the picture for awhile, BUT WHY HASN'T EVERYONE KEPT ASKING ABOUT DENNIS?? The question you're asking is relevant, but not in B's head, because she's flipped and edited the script to make herself Dennis's widow. 

This poor man. His poor widow. His poor kids. I cannot fathom how horrified they must all be, knowing this woman strung him along and broke his heart many times, and is now on national TV using his death for a plot point, and as a reason to verbally and emotionally abuse someone in recovery.

I'm sure Dennis did many great things for Luann. And I'm sure Lu is as big a narcissist as every other woman sitting there. And I doubt Lu was properly grateful to Dennis or B. But the way Beth uses a dead man's legacy as a weapon on this show makes me ill.

Edited June 13, 2019 by thesupremediva1

[SailorGirl]

43 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Real friends don’t disclose these things.  B uses it for ammunition for the show.  She’s not a friend.

When you are pushed to the breaking point, though, stuff comes out. I can't imagine Bethenny would have ever thrown that stuff out if Lu hadn't been so insufferable for so long.

Remember, Kyle outed her sister as an alcoholic on RHOBH when she reached her breaking point of trying to keep up appearances with Kim and keep all her secrets. 

When you put forth all that effort to both help someone and keep their secrets and all they do is crap on you and expect you to just keep giving more and more while all they do is take take take, or act like everything in their life is perfect and they did it all on their own (LU!), it could push anyone over the edge.

All they seem to be hearing from Lu is about how much she should be celebrated and appreciated and praised because she "landed on her feet" but there's not even passing acknowledgment that she never would have landed on her feet without the help of her girlfriends (and likely would have been in jail, based on what B said.)

And let's be realistic here, for the people who are saying, but friends just do stuff for each other without expecting anything in return . . .that's true.

BUT . . . its not like Bethenny picked up Lu's drunk ass one time from a bar before someone put it on social media and went off on Lu for not being appropriately grateful, or hooked her up with an invitation to some super exclusive event, or loaned her a bespoke piece of jewelry.

Bethenny went far and beyond for Lu, even with everything else she was dealing with, and it sounds like Barbara did too. 

 Lu was so off the rails that she was running through fields in her nightgown and driving her boat while heavily under the influence, and Bethennny played a role both in stopping it and keeping it under the radar so Lu wouldn't end up back in jail.

Lu was flipping out in her house to such a degree that Bethenny felt like she had to sit in the driveway to keep Lu from going somewhere and possibly killing herself or someone else. Bethenny arranged Lu's high-end rehab -- for free.

That goes way beyond normal friendship give and take and I'd be willing to bet there's even more that happened that Bethenny didn't say. Plus whatever Barbara did that she hasn't said anything about. 

And after all of that, Lu apparently never even once asked how Bethenny was doing in the wake of Dennis's death and all the Jason stuff? Or give Barbara some support when she was upset because she felt like she wasn't fitting in?

THAT is normal girlfriend behavior. Lu didn't do any of that. 

It didn't seem to me that Bethenny was asking or expecting Lu to fawn all over B about Dennis or fawn over the other ladies about whatever their stuff was. 

She was calling Lu out for not even making passing inquiries into the others' lives, or going with the group flow, and expecting everyone and everything to be about Lu at all times, for what has apparently been quite a while. This wasn't a one-off with Lu. 

Every single one of them was going to get a massage. No one else bitched about the order of who got one first, second, third. Normal girlfriend behavior would be to recognize that yes, I was the last one to arrive back at the house so of course I'm going to be last in line for a massage. 

They were all going to get their hair done by the professionals. No one else complained because they weren't first to get their hair done. Normal girlfriend behavior would be to realize that yep, I was last to be ready to have my hair done, so I'm last to get my hair done. 

Yes, they're in a luxury house with staff who are supposed to do things for them and have coffee ready, but no one else complained that "the help" hadn't done their jobs. Normal girlfriend behavior is to just make the damn coffee. 
 

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, Ellee said:

@Real Housewife LI 

Thank you for explaining 'dining out on it'.  😄

Maybe offering a course on all new sayings/terminology can be the next housewife product available to add to their brand.

I know it's a British saying, but I've never heard it here.

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Trapped in an argument, Lu restates the accusation with a question mark, denies the accusation while restating it, or spits, “How dare you!” Lu processes information very slowly and cannot think on her feet.

She's right up there with Teresa Giudice.

[filmfan2480]

14 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Probably because Luanne didn't need or want  her help. Bethanny is just trying way to hard. Luanne isn't into her. Luanne doesn't seem to care about Bethanny because she doesn't. It's very clear since season 1. Nothing has changed. 

I'm not so sure about that.  If you follow Bethenny and/or Luann on instagram, you'd see that Luann likes nearly every single photo or social media post that Bethenny posts.  Why wold she like or comment on nearly every single thing that Bethenny provides?  Most of the other women on these Housewife shows don't do that with near the same frequency.

[LibertarianSlut]

Bethenny is an uncharismatic cult leader and a mafia henchman without the charm or control.  She targets the weak and vulnerable, puts them down to the point where they're within an inch of their self-esteem shattering, and then she gives them the opportunity to reenter the group on her terms.  She did it with Sonja, Tinsley, Barbara (you're a downer/ go put on a bathing suit and get in the fucking game!), and she's freaking out that it's not working on Luann.  That's what this is about.

I thought Bethenny said Luann was "diming out" on her sobriety, which I don't understand, but it's just the kind of unhip eighties slang she likes to use to sharpen her barbs and appear happening (yes, if Bethenny can use dated references, so can I).

[filmfan2480]

4 minutes ago, SailorGirl said:

When you are pushed to the breaking point, though, stuff comes out. I can't imagine Bethenny would have ever thrown that stuff out if Lu hadn't been so insufferable for so long.

Remember, Kyle outed her sister as an alcoholic on RHOBH when she reached her breaking point of trying to keep up appearances with Kim and keep all her secrets. 

When you put forth all that effort to both help someone and keep their secrets and all they do is crap on you and expect you to just keep giving more and more while all they do is take take take, or act like everything in their life is perfect and they did it all on their own (LU!), it could push anyone over the edge.

All they seem to be hearing from Lu is about how much she should be celebrated and appreciated and praised because she "landed on her feet" but there's not even passing acknowledgment that she never would have landed on her feet without the help of her girlfriends (and likely would have been in jail, based on what B said.)

And let's be realistic here, for the people who are saying, but friends just do stuff for each other without expecting anything in return . . .that's true.

BUT . . . its not like Bethenny picked up Lu's drunk ass one time from a bar before someone put it on social media and went off on Lu for not being appropriately grateful, or hooked her up with an invitation to some super exclusive event, or loaned her a bespoke piece of jewelry.

Bethenny went far and beyond for Lu, even with everything else she was dealing with, and it sounds like Barbara did too. 

 Lu was so off the rails that she was running through fields in her nightgown and driving her boat while heavily under the influence, and Bethennny played a role both in stopping it and keeping it under the radar so Lu wouldn't end up back in jail.

Lu was flipping out in her house to such a degree that Bethenny felt like she had to sit in the driveway to keep Lu from going somewhere and possibly killing herself or someone else. Bethenny arranged Lu's high-end rehab -- for free.

That goes way beyond normal friendship give and take and I'd be willing to bet there's even more that happened that Bethenny didn't say. Plus whatever Barbara did that she hasn't said anything about. 

And after all of that, Lu apparently never even once asked how Bethenny was doing in the wake of Dennis's death and all the Jason stuff? Or give Barbara some support when she was upset because she felt like she wasn't fitting in?

THAT is normal girlfriend behavior. Lu didn't do any of that. 

It didn't seem to me that Bethenny was asking or expecting Lu to fawn all over B about Dennis or fawn over the other ladies about whatever their stuff was. 

She was calling Lu out for not even making passing inquiries into the others' lives, or going with the group flow, and expecting everyone and everything to be about Lu at all times, for what has apparently been quite a while. This wasn't a one-off with Lu. 

Every single one of them was going to get a massage. No one else bitched about the order of who got one first, second, third. Normal girlfriend behavior would be to recognize that yes, I was the last one to arrive back at the house so of course I'm going to be last in line for a massage. 

They were all going to get their hair done by the professionals. No one else complained because they weren't first to get their hair done. Normal girlfriend behavior would be to realize that yep, I was last to be ready to have my hair done, so I'm last to get my hair done. 

Yes, they're in a luxury house with staff who are supposed to do things for them and have coffee ready, but no one else complained that "the help" hadn't done their jobs. Normal girlfriend behavior is to just make the damn coffee. 
 

While I think Bethenny went overboard at that table (and she tends to, anyway), I agree with just about everything that you wrote, here.  I think Bethenny loves hard, hates hard, etc.  I think she did a lot for Luann - someone who she has had major issues with in the past, but clearly considers a friend on some level, anyway - and wasn't getting any love back from her OR being a remotely good girlfriend back.  I don't blame Bethenny; I really don't.  I hope Luann does well with her sobriety and good on her for finding this new career ... but she IS insufferable.

[Gem 10]

11 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

The reason why BetheME helps people or does any giving is to get attention.  She wants people to see how wonderful SHE is.  She wants to be worshiped.

She lost her shit because Luann is just as selfish as she and didn't bow to the feet of the great BetheME. 

Luann is selfish and self centered, which is probably why she relapsed.  She used meetings as her personal stage and never did the work, never really looked at herself.  Until she does, she'll always relapse because she'll never admit that she was ever wrong.  "What do you get when a horse thief gets sober?  A sober horse thief, because if nothing changes, nothing changes.

But, if you have expectations that a person will behave this way or that and they don't, you get resentments and then YOU wind up looking crazy, like BetheME.  People are who they are and you either accept that, or move on.  

Everyone has a different outlook and that’s o.k.  Personally, I for one thinks Bethenny is a helper, period.  She’s been in a position of no money, little food and not knowing where her rent was coming from.  Her “ friends” turned their backs on her and didn’t give a shit, especially Luann and Jill.  I’m sorry, but I think Bethenny does the right thing, and not for the camera.  Everything she screamed to Luann was the truth.  Somebody had to tell her off, but the rest are chicken.

[chenoa333]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Beth because she vomits everything all at once hoping something sounds remotely relevant to the conversation. 

PERFECT description of Beth! 

ETA: I'm really getting tired of Beth constantly bringing up her "f'd up childhood". Just about everybody I know claims they had a bad/sad/traumatic  childhood (including myself) but once that "cat is out of the bag" we don't feel it necessary to regurgitate the past on a regular basis. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by chenoa333

[FancyNancy]

I’m just starting the thread so it may have been discussed. 

Did anyone else notice how Lu’s IG caption said she was “surprised” to see her cabaret poster even though she went looking for it? She couldn’t have been too surprised lol. 

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

She didn’t even care that they were running late to the AA meeting. Sonja was by the door waiting. I believe her words were something like “No judgement”. She clearly does not see anyone or anything else isimportant unless it benefits her. She’s a pompous asshole. 

Ohh, that triggered a memory! A friend’s SO had a grown son who was obviously unhinged - in other times he would’ve been institutionalized for his behavior.  I think my friend said the young man had been diagnosed as a sociopath.  

One afternoon he and his dad were at a grocery and the son began shouting racist insults and threats at a grocery clerk whose checkout line wasn’t moving fast enough for him. Police arrived and as they were escorting him out the store, he screamed at his beleaguered father, “Not a WORD out of you! Do you hear?! Don’t start! Don’t you judge me!”

The similarities to Lu’s “No judgment” turn my stomach.

Me, I would move earth & heaven to avoid any interaction with Lu. 

[Keywestclubkid]

Beth needs to lay off the uppers ... she just opens her mouth and word vomit comes out its a garble and stream of thought that bounces from one thing to the next ... she does have a point somewhere in there (most of the time) so when shes doing that it just comes out Manic and the point she is trying to make gets lost... what she was trying to say was Luanne should be grateful to this group of people and not just toss them aside ... they have all done things for her and for her to just brush them aside like their issues are of no importance to her is what snapped Beth they each have been there for her so why couldn't she do the same for Sonja? but with her way of just throwing everything out at once it just sounded like for lack of a better term word vomit

Edited June 13, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Castina]

wow, that episode was a lot......

My two cents worth of analysis on these women based on last night:

Tinsley: pathetic waste of space.  She is 43 not 23 and while she seems fine the odd time she hasn't been a fan of Luann this whole season.  We know because we saw her tell Luann about her daddy being a drunk and therefore her issue with drunks.  She has been making side digs all throughout so I am going to give Luann a pass on mocking her slurring in that moment.  She can be very judgemental for someone who herself is such a mess.  Any time anyone thinks "oh she's so cute/sweet" remind yourself she is 43 freaking years old....

Dorinda:  She has me up and down all the time and I think no matter how much she cried at the start of the season she is enjoying the anti-Luann vibe.  From early on I've been confused by her filling in Bethenny about every little comment Luann makes.  For instance I really don't get the point in professing love and happiness you are Lu are in a good place and then turning around and telling Bethenny that Luann questioned why she needed to go home and watch Brynn sleep?  Dorinda isn't stupid, so because she isn't stupid I think she has a game plan here because her actions don't make sense otherwise.  From the preview for next episode it gives the impression Dorinda is going to judge Luann for leaving the restaurant but to me that is the only sane option.  

Barbara:  I give her a pass because she explained exactly what her mental state was at the time when she gave the analogy of being dropped off at camp alone to face the mean girls.  I suspect her and Luann will move past this episode.  She was struggling at some truely appalling behavior of the other women and imo was vulnerable to their manipulation.  It'll pass. 

Sonja:  She is just a mess.  Also Bethenny (with Ramona backing her up) sent her to that meeting.  Not Luann.  I also think Lu was right in her assessment that Sonja was hamming it up for attention.  Her buddies just told her they were concerned about her and sent her to an AA meeting.  She's on vacation and in no mood to curb her fun, having them all hugging on her and catering to her "fragile state" insures the rest of the trip will go well for her.  I think her reaction when Lu called her out and they hugged in the hallway was that of a kid caught with their hand in the cookie jar.  

Luann:  Yes she can be full of herself.  Yes she can be self centered at times.  She can also be kind, decent, whatever.  But she isn't a vicious nasty person and never intentionally goes out of her way to make others feel bad.  But she's always been this way.  Since the very first season.    From my experience around people with addictions is that how she is now seems to be her way to deal with her addiction.  She has replaced alcohol with cabaret as can often happen (replacing one addiction with another).  I think with time and distance she might see a bit of what the others are complaining about BUT I can also understand why she also can't understand why they are all hating on her more than ever when she is sober and occupied with work.   I also think she is the easy punching bag for the others and has always been. 

Bethenny:  She is just a very toxic unstable person. All I am going to say is she has a history and she is always the one standing and screeching at a table somewhere just ripping to shreds another castmate.  This cast is full of self-centered women but this one is a pure narcissist.  While I acknowledge 100% she clearly helped Luann a lot during that critical time I am also going to suggest it was all the culmination of her falling out with her bestie Carol and some other women on the show and she gravitated towards Luann.  That took her into Luann's rock bottom period.  I don't for a moment think that was selfless and I think it's appalling frankly that she is using Dennis's suicide to attack Luann.  And I say that because on the show I watched she seemed MUCH MORE pissed off and affected by Dorinda whispering in her ear that Luann complained Beth got a better bedroom, Luann complained that Beth didn't need to go home to watch Brynn sleep etc...  (and I go back here to wtf Dorinda's game plan was this season?)

Ramona:  I am shocked that she comes out of this whole trip the best so far.  And that's with her being a total snob and bitch to Barbara.  Go figure. 

[b2H]

I missed the show last night, due to the hockey game, but caught the screaming wench on WWHL.

B needs help.  More than this show can give her.  If anyone is hanging on to an event, it's B.  I'm sorry she lost the love of her life, even though he wasn't completely committed to her (let's not forget - Dennis' divorce was not final at the time of her death).  Let's also not forget that she made his death and is still making his death all about her.  She is running away from her problems by accusing Lu and doing all the charity work, in an effort to avoid having to deal with it.

I don't excuse Lu her behavior.  Not at all.  But B is becoming a basket case, what with this and her continuing litigation with her ex and custody.  

It's all getting tiresome because she's not moving on either.  And drugs and alcohol don't mix, I don't care who it is.  Getting closer to being done with this franchise if this continues.  They're ruining everything with the shrieking.  And no, this isn't normal.

[Thisgirllovespasta]

14 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

I’ve come to love Tinsley.  We could be friends.

Yesss! I love this.

Luann is just mean... She purposely made fun of her and then when everyone came to her defense she tried to back peddle and say oh no... I didn't hear her. 

Good for TInsely for sticking up for herself! 

On a side note.. I remember being in Tinsley's  shoes... I mean I wish I was in those pink Guccis... But growing up, I  was raised that you have to have kids... We need grandchildren, etc. etc..  The older I got, I was conflicted did I really want kids or did I want them because that's what you are supposed to do...

So here I am going on 46, with 2 dogs and I love my life. When my friends come over with their kids, I realize that wasn't my path.

Tinsley, it's ok if you don't have kids!! You will be the awesome cool aunt!!

[LibertarianSlut]

I think Luann's culpability in all this is in direct correlation to how sober one thinks she was in Miami.  I think she was dead sober at least some of the time, and if that's true, then everything she does around six women who are drinking their faces off gets the benefit of the doubt from me.  Not a complete pass, as she was being a demanding diva with her head slightly up her ass, but she gets some credit for being sober.

And to that Lu was never an abusive drunk.  She doesn't care that much about other people.  It is all about her.  So for Luann to sit at a table while multiple women who each have exhibited their own substance abuse issues are attacking her like drunk ninjas, one of whom, who has also been arrested for drunken behavior, is so drunk she cannot even communicate the venom she is trying to spew (Tinsely), I think it was remarkably restrained for Luann to merely politely, yet passive-aggressively, ask for clarification on the unkind (non)words that are being leveled at her in front of a group in a public setting.

Tinsley, I know you're feeling yourself because you got inappropriately drunk on a first date, spilled inappropriate shit and made out with the guy (ah, but history repeats itself), but Luann didn't do anything to you.  Feeling ballsy cause Bethenny is there to back you up?  Tinsley has never confronted anyone one-on-one when she's sober.  When she's sober, she is either mousy or crying to Dale.  Tinsley waits for the drunken courage and the gang mentatility to kick in. I'm not impressed with it and I think she's an immature coward.  

Bethenny has not exactly become Jill--she has become a caricature of Jill.  Say what you want about Jill, she would never exhibit that insane scene at a restaurant, and she would never pile-on like that.  I am confident that Jill would have shut it down if she were there.  Shit, I would have stopped it if I were there, and I don't even know these bitches.  I just know inhumanity when I see it.  Every single person at that table who sat back and let it happen is culpable.  It reminds me of that poem with the protagonist did nothing when they came for the communists and the socialists, etc.  It didn't turn out too well for the protagonist...

If you don't like Lu, if you think she's all about herself, which is, I guess, a crime now, then...don't film with her.  And the irony is that Bethenny has experience with this kind of thing!  She admitted to being part of a non-filming campaign against Kelly at the season three reunion.  It's sad to see how far she's fallen and how almighty the dollar has become that she's resorted to a screaming, space-invading maniac aggresssor in the time that one would have thought she would have been growing and maturing and raising a child.

Oh, and Bethenny, you hypocrite!--she's mad that Luann wasn't around for one afternoon?  I seem to recall a certain cast member (name rhymes with 'step on me') who made herself scarce for an entire long weekend in Florida in season eight, who refused to dine with the rest of the women and went out instead and did press with a local artist, under the guise of being too afraid to confront Luann about Tom.  Yeah, I bet Bethenny was really shaking in her boots. The only thing that shrew is afraid of is losing control or money.  

[esco1822]

2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Didn't Tinsley do the same thing with Scott on their first meeting?  I remember Carole and Adam watch her jump on Scott and start making out with him.  Then, their first date lasted 5 days.  Girl's got issues.

She did make out with Scott on their first meeting/date. It's a semantic point but this was Tinsley's first DATE with Brett and not her first time meeting him. We didn't see the lead-up to the making out, just B's "she's kissing him!" so i'm going to give her a little leeway. We don't know who initiated or the context of it happening. Also, it's a DATE. It's been a while since I've been on one but there was definitely some kissing on my last one. These ladies seemed more horrified by Tinsley kissing a date than Ramona trying to swallow Harry Dubin's face while out at a bar, probably on a random Tuesday. Yes Tins was sloppy drunk and oversharing but I'll let her have it, she's had a rough year and I think she's really coming into her own in this group.  So i'll say good for her.  

[lilmissjac]

My sister passed away this past Apr from an overdose(she was 38) and I had a friend make it all about them. I would have NEVER flipped out on her the way B did. And I was livid when she would post stuff and be dramatic. BUT I would have never screamed and yelled like a wild banshee in a public setting like that!!!Lu was being a diva and the only reason why she was strutting around town was to hopefully get noticed! But they all do it! But B needs to reel it in about Dennis on the show he has children who are going through far more worse than she is! That’s my opinion!! 

[KungFuBunny]

15 hours ago, Rhetorica said:

Tinsley! You go girl.   She's a big girl now...  Or,  she gone over to the dark side.  I'm tickled she has something on Romona. 

I think this is the real Tinsley - she comes out every once in a while

[laprin]

12 hours ago, Cherrio said:

Where did this list come from?

It's either pure speculation to generate clicks or spin from either the celebrities themselves or their PR team. Much of what you read about what they are paid or what they are worth is an effort to boost their  future earnings potential when they negotiate for more money. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Can someone explain why Sonja's outfit for AA was inappropriate but Luann's was spot on?  It was a skirt with a slit all the way up.  I'm not a prude but I don't know what people wear to these meetings and a lot of people here seem to agree that Sonja's outfit was "inappropriate".  Was Luann's fine then?  

[Juneau Gal]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

But that's not Lu.  What can you do if that's not who the person is? I don't think Lu is going out of her way to deliberately thumb her nose at Beth's help.  What I do understand is that there's a certain expectation that maybe stay mum about Beth when faced with a situation where she could rightly criticize Beth due to her "owing her one" but at the end of the day Lu doesn't really owe it to anyone not to call a spade a spade. And also it really isn't worth all the hyperventilating. 

"You're being such a bitch Lu, you know that...???" Is sufficient enough to air out any resentments. Why don't these women just do that. That's actually the best way to possibly get a genuine apology from her. One on one and short, sweet and to the point. But then we would have a show now would we?

I agree that you can't make someone be who they are not. However, Lu has been shown to go out of her way to mock and thumb her nose at B. Remember the snit she threw at Greystone Manor because a room was being reserved for B. The mocking display of "Bethenny, Bethenny, Bethenny" at the blow out salon and Lu literally giving the hand into elbow crevice salute (whatever that gesture is called) fuck you. There have been others, but I can't recall.

[esco1822]

1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Can someone explain why Sonja's outfit for AA was inappropriate but Luann's was spot on?  It was a skirt with a slit all the way up.  I'm not a prude but I don't know what people wear to these meetings and a lot of people here seem to agree that Sonja's outfit was "inappropriate".  Was Luann's fine then?  

Because Sonja was wearing it. God forbid someone look more attractive than Lu. 

[Yours Truly]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

The reason why BetheME helps people or does any giving is to get attention.  She wants people to see how wonderful SHE is.  She wants to be worshiped.

She lost her shit because Luann is just as selfish as she and didn't bow to the feet of the great BetheME. 

Luann is selfish and self centered, which is probably why she relapsed.  She used meetings as her personal stage and never did the work, never really looked at herself.  Until she does, she'll always relapse because she'll never admit that she was ever wrong.  "What do you get when a horse thief gets sober?  A sober horse thief, because if nothing changes, nothing changes.

But, if you have expectations that a person will behave this way or that and they don't, you get resentments and then YOU wind up looking crazy, like BetheME.  People are who they are and you either accept that, or move on.  

BINGO!

[KungFuBunny]

16 hours ago, Steph J said:

They're hung over.

I'm not sure why Bethenny would try to direct Tinsley towards a 57 year old guy when Tins is supposedly mulling whether or not she wants to have a baby (not that men have a window for having children the way that women do, but I don't think there are a ton of men who are looking to do the baby thing when they're pushing 60).

And I'm not sure why Tinsley would be interested in a guy who is simultaneously texting two women who are in the same house together.  Is he texting Sonja, too? Still interested in Bethenny?  Wants to give Luann a shot?  Pick one person from the group, dude.

Tinsley on her meet with Brett

Brett: My father's a police officer, I grew up.... Tinsley just cuts him off completely

Tinsley: Well I was arrested. I got a mugshot. I was in jail...I was in jail. Okay, just so you know, they were like, oh well, Tinsley, you can't go out on a date with him cause he doesn't want to have kids. I was like, well first of all girls, I don't even know if I actually want one. My mother wants me to, you know, it's this whole thing. I don't know, I am 43, probably should, this whole other thing maybe I, oh it doesn't matter. I'm not talking to you about that, just saying, I might be okay with chihuahuas.

I think Bethenny directed Tinsley in this direction because B and probably most of them know Tinsley doesn't want children..she wants a man with deep pockets. She wants to be able to go out every night, drink whenever she wants, have money to shop, have no timetable to pick up and go on vacation - and to do this she needs a man with the financial means to cater to her whims.

Edited June 13, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[njbchlover]

16 minutes ago, lilmissjac said:

My sister passed away this past Apr from an overdose(she was 38) and I had a friend make it all about them. I would have NEVER flipped out on her the way B did. And I was livid when she would post stuff and be dramatic. BUT I would have never screamed and yelled like a wild banshee in a public setting like that!!!Lu was being a diva and the only reason why she was strutting around town was to hopefully get noticed! But they all do it! But B needs to reel it in about Dennis on the show he has children who are going through far more worse than she is! That’s my opinion!! 

I'm so very sorry for your loss.  Prayers to you and your family.  

[ButterQueen]

1 hour ago, SailorGirl said:

When you are pushed to the breaking point, though, stuff comes out. I can't imagine Bethenny would have ever thrown that stuff out if Lu hadn't been so insufferable for so long.

Remember, Kyle outed her sister as an alcoholic on RHOBH when she reached her breaking point of trying to keep up appearances with Kim and keep all her secrets. 

When you put forth all that effort to both help someone and keep their secrets and all they do is crap on you and expect you to just keep giving more and more while all they do is take take take, or act like everything in their life is perfect and they did it all on their own (LU!), it could push anyone over the edge.

All they seem to be hearing from Lu is about how much she should be celebrated and appreciated and praised because she "landed on her feet" but there's not even passing acknowledgment that she never would have landed on her feet without the help of her girlfriends (and likely would have been in jail, based on what B said.)

And let's be realistic here, for the people who are saying, but friends just do stuff for each other without expecting anything in return . . .that's true.

BUT . . . its not like Bethenny picked up Lu's drunk ass one time from a bar before someone put it on social media and went off on Lu for not being appropriately grateful, or hooked her up with an invitation to some super exclusive event, or loaned her a bespoke piece of jewelry.

Bethenny went far and beyond for Lu, even with everything else she was dealing with, and it sounds like Barbara did too. 

 Lu was so off the rails that she was running through fields in her nightgown and driving her boat while heavily under the influence, and Bethennny played a role both in stopping it and keeping it under the radar so Lu wouldn't end up back in jail.

Lu was flipping out in her house to such a degree that Bethenny felt like she had to sit in the driveway to keep Lu from going somewhere and possibly killing herself or someone else. Bethenny arranged Lu's high-end rehab -- for free.

That goes way beyond normal friendship give and take and I'd be willing to bet there's even more that happened that Bethenny didn't say. Plus whatever Barbara did that she hasn't said anything about. 

And after all of that, Lu apparently never even once asked how Bethenny was doing in the wake of Dennis's death and all the Jason stuff? Or give Barbara some support when she was upset because she felt like she wasn't fitting in?

THAT is normal girlfriend behavior. Lu didn't do any of that. 

It didn't seem to me that Bethenny was asking or expecting Lu to fawn all over B about Dennis or fawn over the other ladies about whatever their stuff was. 

She was calling Lu out for not even making passing inquiries into the others' lives, or going with the group flow, and expecting everyone and everything to be about Lu at all times, for what has apparently been quite a while. This wasn't a one-off with Lu. 

Every single one of them was going to get a massage. No one else bitched about the order of who got one first, second, third. Normal girlfriend behavior would be to recognize that yes, I was the last one to arrive back at the house so of course I'm going to be last in line for a massage. 

They were all going to get their hair done by the professionals. No one else complained because they weren't first to get their hair done. Normal girlfriend behavior would be to realize that yep, I was last to be ready to have my hair done, so I'm last to get my hair done. 

Yes, they're in a luxury house with staff who are supposed to do things for them and have coffee ready, but no one else complained that "the help" hadn't done their jobs. Normal girlfriend behavior is to just make the damn coffee. 
 

Life according to Bethenny.  I’m sure the court will enjoy watching how she handles pressure.

[Yours Truly]

15 minutes ago, Juneau Gal said:

I agree that you can't make someone be who they are not. However, Lu has been shown to go out of her way to mock and thumb her nose at B. Remember the snit she threw at Greystone Manor because a room was being reserved for B. The mocking display of "Bethenny, Bethenny, Bethenny" at the blow out salon and Lu literally giving the hand into elbow crevice salute (whatever that gesture is called) fuck you. There have been others, but I can't recall.

No she's reacted to some behavior that she found ridiculous. Like I said maybe, because of what Beth did for her she could offer up silence instead of criticism sure but Lu isn't holding her tongue. It still isn't some barrage of insults out of left field just cause she wants to talk shit. It was relevant to the conversation she was having about the room situation. There was animosity that really had to do with the tension between her and Dorinda so her delivery was snide which Lu admitted.

Anyway, Lu is no where as vicious with her little snarks as these women and their need to truly and mercilessly pile on to Lu. I mean, I always wonder about people who get joy out of those displays. I don't mind calling someone out on some shit but what I do mind is viciousness. 

[BckpckFullaNinjas]

Ok: I’ve decided to ignore the video and just listen to the audio. So far I’ve actually gotten a laugh: “They’re not kissing, they’re swapping tonsils!”

[laprin]

2 hours ago, Kdawg82 said:

As for the ending : the group's right & Lu is wrong I was surprised to hear Bethenny's truth as to how much effort and influence over law enforcement etc went into saving LuAnn post -relapse. It sounds like it is all true on B's part and she cared. Those who were there knew how bad it was. I am on board with her and the lack of graciousness Lu's showing now.  Barbara is just lost in the shuffle.  Idk what to make of her but she sure is esthetically tacky. Agree all these women are self centered at some level but we all have issues and alcohol seems to bring it out so how you act under the influence- even if it's towards others- is ABOUT yourself. 

Knowing now the extent to which Bethenny helped Lu, makes Lu's behavior over staying in Dorinda's "shark room" look even more selfish and ungrateful.  The very least Lu could do was be gracious about Bethenny getting a nice room. 

[ButterQueen]

23 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I'm so very sorry for your loss.  Prayers to you and your family.  

AMEN ❤️😥

[ButterQueen]

What happened to our fun loving girls?  The ones who got naked, kissed, argued and made up and were just fun to watch?  I hate how dark this show is getting.  B needs to stop crying over Dennis.  Lu needs to be more grateful.  Dorinda needs to stop gossiping.  Tinsley needs to grow up.  Sonja needs to accept her reality.  Ramona needs to stay off my screen and take Barbara with her.

[thesupremediva1]

5 hours ago, sashayshante said:

Bethenny creates chaotic situations so she can either be the center of attention, victim,  or savior. She amped up Sonja to the point where Sonja fell, then played nurse maid. She swooped in and saved Luann. She had a totally-staged not at all real meltdown last night. These things are all calculated. I don't think she planned on having the vapors during that argument. I think she planned on being everyone's hero by telling Lu off. It was Lu's refusal to take Bethenny's bait that whipped B. into a frenzy.

Anybody who uses a dead man as a plot point is damaged beyond repair.

She is the Housewife version of Munchausen by Proxy.

[Yours Truly]

4 hours ago, Ellee said:

Anyone besides me think that Lu's going to the beach to swim was to get away from 'witnesses and cameras' to get a couple of drinks?  I know ... not fair .... but my immediate thought.

Actually I think it was more about the camera's catching that shot of her poster. I'm pretty sure she was completely put off by the fact that the decision to go back to the chateau with Sonja would keep them from being able to film the venue. Look, I know Lu is all into her shit but to be honest I get her not wanting to forfeit that scene in the name of coddling Sonja. I think Lu's separating herself was an act of defiance. I know it seems so ME ME ME but I'm happy that Lu is not allowing the others to rip away things that she needs right now to make her feel sane. If that means ogling and appreciating her cabaret poster then so be it. I mean is it really such an atrocity that Lu wants to submerge herself in that world for awhile? It's crazy how this particular topic bothers them so much. At the end of the day Lu is doing cabaret and feeling herself. The only thing that would drive me to do is roll my eyes, giggle and shake my head. For the life of me I can't wrap my head around the level of heartache these women are imposing on themselves over it.  I mean there are a lot WORSE things people could subject their friends/coworkers too. 

Sonja's crotch

B's screeching

Tinsley's baby doll persona

Dorina's slurring anger complete with food flying

Ramona's crazy eyes, turtle time, champagne glass throwing.......

<insert jab about Lu's singing here>yeah I know.

[thesupremediva1]

6 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I have very mixed emotions about this new Scary Island episode. 

Beth had one last year in Cartagena as well. We have now had Scary Island 2 and 3 thanks to B and her meltdowns. While neither compared to Kelly's consistently exponential decay, I do think it's worth noting this isn't B's first vacation meltdown toward someone she called a "friend." Nothing gets B like her enemy's composure, does it?

Wherever you are, Carole, I hope you're well and enjoying whatever level of career suits you. And I'm sure you're laughing your ass off at this display of total, utter lunacy. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by thesupremediva1

[thesupremediva1]

5 hours ago, Gem 10 said:

It’s true that Bethenny lost her cookies because of all the attention Lu wanted, but it was more than that.  It was about Bethenny’s troubles in general .. her troubles with Jason and the court, Dennis dying, her fighting for custody of Bryn .. everything that’s going wrong in her life.  Luanne was the straw that broke the camel’s back.  She can’t take the stress of it all, therefore losing it on vacation.  Lu’s attitude brought her to the brink.

Anyone who doesn't understand the situation by now is refusing to learn.

This has been Beth's life for many, many years now. And Dennis aside, her life is of her own making. If she's miserable, she has every resource and opportunity available to fix it.  Any medical treatment or pill that could help is at her disposal - I'm sure she can afford it.

Same applies to Lu and the other women. Lu has never changed - B said it herself. Their insistence that she magically  become a better person is foolhardy at best and selfish at worst. I know many acquaintances who are selfish and wouldn't help or support me if their lives depended on it - I am not close with these people. I make sure I don't allow myself to be used. If I help them, I know it's not something I can expect in return.

In cases where a close friend has behaved the way Lu has toward Barb, I've felt just like Barb. Her beef was real and justified and of course she, the truly injured party, ended up having to comfort BetheME. I hope Barb has the stones to see Lu for what she is and gently cut her off. Sometimes it's best to accept people for who they are peacefully walk away. You don't half-bludgeon them at a dinner in front of other patrons.

Edited June 13, 2019 by thesupremediva1

[Cherrio]

11 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

If that means ogling and appreciating her cabaret poster then so be it. I mean is it really such an atrocity that Lu wants to submerge herself in that world for awhile? It's crazy how this particular topic bothers them so much. At the end of the day Lu is doing cabaret and feeling herself. 

Well, I think this episode was a culmination of "everything Luann" since her sham engagement and marriage to the present. Sonja and Dorinda both validated this by saying they were ALL feeling and thinking the same way, but Bethenny said it all. Mention it all ! 

She has traded in gloating for ogling.

[Yours Truly]

27 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Beth had one last year in Cartagena as well. We have now had Scary Island 2 and 3 thanks to B and her meltdowns. While neither compared to Kelly's consistently exponential decay, I do think it's worth nothing this isn't B's first vacation meltdown toward someone she called a "friend." Nothing gets B like her enemy's composure, does it?

Wherever you are, Carole, I hope you're well and enjoying whatever level of career suits you. And I'm sure you're laughing your ass off at this display of total, utter lunacy. 

I was always on Kelly's side. While Kelly did have her quirks and aggravating moments, she wasn't wrong about B and her need to pick on the weak. B's biggest gripe with Kelly was that Kelly didn't acknowledge B enough. Oh and you guessed it, thought too highly of herself. Sound familiar? Seems B can't stand it when a woman doesn't hold her in higher regard then they hold themselves....

20 minutes ago, thesupremediva1 said:

Anyone who doesn't understand the situation by now is refusing to learn.

This has been Beth's life for many, many years now. And Dennis aside, her life is of her own making. If she's miserable, she has every resource and opportunity available to fix it.  Any medical treatment or pill that could help is at her disposal - I'm sure she can afford it.

Same applies to Lu and the other women. Lu has never changed - B said it herself. Their foolish insistence that she magically  become a better person is foolhardy at best and selfish at its worst. I know many acquaintances who are selfish and wouldn't help or support me if their lives depended on it - I am not close with these people. I make sure I don't allow myself to be used. If I help them, I know it's not something I can expect in return.

In cases where a close friend has behaved the way Lu has toward Barb, I've felt just like Barb. Her beef was real and justified and of course she, the real injured party, ended up having to comfort BetheME. I hope Barb has the stones to see Lu for what she is and gently cut her off. Sometimes it's best to accept people for who they are peacefully walk away. You don't half-bludgeon them at a dinner in front of other patrons.

Ahhhhh, the maturity of your words to Andy satan's ears........

Edited June 13, 2019 by Yours Truly

[SailorGirl]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

She wants to be able to go out every night, drink whenever she wants, have money to shop, have no timetable to pick up and go on vacation -

All this on someone else's dime?? Ummmm . . . where's the sign-up sheet please? 😄
 

Edited June 13, 2019 by SailorGirl

[sadie]

Lu is the worst. She wasn’t just attacked at dinner for no reason. She has been utterly ridiculous all season and I think her whole “I was the last massage” bullshit was just the final straw. When Barb was trying to tell her she was hurt Lu’s whole let me hug you Bam Bam thing just really showed her true colors. I don’t want to listen to your feelings, I just want to shut you up quickly because I don’t care enough to listen and I’m taking zero responsibility. Say what you want about B but it sounds like she did way more for Lu than we know which makes Lu look even worse with her whole “why does princess Bethanny get the good room” bit. Bethanny lost her cool in that moment but I get it. Lu needs to go. 

[KungFuBunny]

17 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I can’t blame Bethenny, she just boiled over.  She’s said that Dennis helped find Lu lawyers and then Lu didn’t seems too caring toward Bethenny after his death. Bethenny and Barb were there helping LuAnn to a much greater level than we ever knew.

Luann is clueless or proclaims memory loss. Bethenny shouldn't be shocked as Luann hasn't changed.

Before Luann's intervention, Luann contacted Dennis (a man she sat across from dinner at Ramona's Hamptons house- not knowing who he was) A man she didn't hang out with on the regular or came to be good friends with - and she goes to him to ask for 6M to buy a house?

The second he declined - Luann had no use for him. It didn't matter that he was one of the circle that tried to help her with legal issues when she's running across a field in negligee.

It doesn't matter that he passed.  She was allegedly close to Bobby and Jill - I don't think she was around to comfort Jill after Bobby passed even after Luann left rehab.

Edited June 13, 2019 by KungFuBunny

[sasha206]

Lu is a self-serving ass.  But I wonder how Dennis's family feels about her screaming about his drug overdose multiple times?