S09.E05: What Comes After

[Nashville]

When Negan was moaning and wailing “Kill me PLEASE!!!” to Maggie, did anybody else hear a certain ring of “Please, Br'er Fox, don't fling me in dat dere briarpatch over yonder!”?

[TvGeek]

34 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

 

In other news we actually got an answer. Rick is a "B". So, now the question is B = Male or Human? A = Female or Walker?

Are they trying to repopulate the earth and seeking out strong male/females?  Are they looking for test subjects Human/Walkers? Or maybe B = Warrior/Soldier and A = Scholar/Leader?

It has nothing to do with gender because when talking to Gabriel after he said he wouldn't go with her she said I thought you were a B but now I think you are an A. I don't understand what the whole tying them to a board with a walker over them has to do with the whole process tho. I thought may A's were Alive B's are Bitten but that doesn't make much sense either. I'm leaning toward the last thing you said and some type of classing people.

[gabyzee]

How in the hell does NO ONE hear that freaking helicopter!?! Obviously it was close to all the action, since Rick was right there. Makes zero sense and really irritated me.

[UGAmp]

Seeing Scott Wilson after his recent passing was TOO MUCH for me. That was my favorite part of the episode. The green screen was awful but that sunset was gorgeous.

I honestly haven’t enjoyed watching this show for, what feels like, 4 seasons at this point. I don’t know why I torture myself. But they do they just the sliiiiightest bit to keep me interested. I thought that Rick’s death would be enough for me to close the book for good but no, they couldn’t even give me that. They had to have a magic helicopter save him. I might give it to the mid season break just to see what happens with this time jump but then I might be out for good. 

Oh and I read on EW they originally had Negan also stand up and talk to Rick from the pile ‘o dead bodies. THANK GOD that TPTB showed some sense and nixed that scene. Could you imagine the revolt? 

[sarthaz]

The helicopter save was always the obvious resolution, but I couldn't figure out how they'd get Rick to willingly do that. Now I know. Others thing he's dead, and the trauma of that death makes it impossible for anyone to hear a helicopter, and he's too almost-dead to fight leaving his "family". Overall, that was basically what I expected to happen the whole time ... except for the jump forward, which is probably the best thing the show has done in years.

It's a tacit admission from the writers that this plotline was shit and the show is basically shit, and they need to reboot everything if anyone's going to pay attention to anything after Rick's gone.

[TvGeek]

I'm glad they left it open. Rick Grimes is the only reason I stayed on. I watched the first episode on tv when it aired and it's been a huge part of my life. There's something about it that keeps me fighting in my own life. Losing Rick right now with what I'm going thru would've just broken me so I really am thankful they didn't. I did cry a few times tho but at the end I felt relief and hope which trumps the bad writing.

[AngelaHunter]

41 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

Are they looking for test subjects Human/Walkers? Or maybe B = Warrior/Soldier and A = Scholar/Leader?

Am I the only one who does not give a shit, any more than I do about Sad Negan? Anyone care about Jadis' Top Secret mission? Anyone?

4 minutes ago, UGAmp said:

Oh and I read on EW they originally had Negan also stand up and talk to Rick from the pile ‘o dead bodies

No kidding? Rick would have died from the blood loss if he had to stand there and listen to Negan pontificating and bragging about his dick for an hour.

[walnutqueen]

2 minutes ago, Nashville said:

When Negan was moaning and wailing “Kill me PLEASE!!!” to Maggie, did anybody else hear a certain ring of “Please, Br'er Fox, don't fling me in dat dere briarpatch over yonder!”?

Nope - only because I was stifling my own hysterical laughter.

My beloved show has taken some missteps along the way, for sure, but if I have to be annoyed with Carl's Hat all over again on some precocious little Judith?  Kirkman, Gimple, et al may need to enter the Witness Protection Program.

[Nashville]

Posted this in the live discussion thread, but wanted to bring it over here as well - concerning the A/B scale to which Jadis and the helicopter folks constantly refer:

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In *this* specific context - and regarding how Jadis kept trying to tip walkers into face-nibbles with both Negan and FP - I’m wondering if:

• A = “lightly” ZV-infected; bitten, but not yet turned.
• B = not ZV-infected.

[tessabq]

I did appreciate the homage to The Bridge on the River Kwai.

[suomi]

JDM was so damn good, so believable, as Denny in 21, count 'em, 21 episodes of Grey's Anatomy in seasons 2, 3 and 5/2005-2008; also as William in the 2007 film PS I Love You with Hillary Swank. He's definitely capable of bringing it when he's in something with decent writing. 'nough said. 

[Kiki777]

This episode gave me flashbacks to summer 1994.  There was a man, a white Bronco, and people chasing them verrrry verrrry slowly to the point where you wonder if something is wrong with your TV.

Nice last-minute save by Wonder Woman and her invisible helicopter....?

Ok the Scott Wilson scene choked me up.  It was nice to see him.

But this show.  Damn.  After Brenda left 90210 and Tori Spelling became the star of the show it went on to die a slow and painful death.

[mxc90]

Spoiler

In the preview: did they say walkers are evolving and did a walker speak when they were walking by Rosita?

[walnutqueen]

1 minute ago, suomi said:

JDM was so damn good, so believable, as Denny in 21, count 'em, 21 episodes of Grey's Anatomy in seasons 2, 3 and 5/2005-2008; also as William in the 2007 film PS I Love You with Hillary Swank. He's definitely capable of bringing it when he's in something with decent writing. 'nough said. 

I fell in love with Denny Duquette the moment I laid my eyes upon him. Ladies' Moto Jacket Negan is SUCH a disillusion.  :-(

[suomi]

7 minutes ago, Kiki777 said:

This episode gave me flashbacks to summer 1994.  There was a man, a white Bronco, and people chasing them verrrry verrrry slowly to the point where you wonder if something is wrong with your TV.

Nice last-minute save by Wonder Woman and her invisible helicopter....?

Ok the Scott Wilson scene choked me up.  It was nice to see him.

But this show.  Damn.  After Brenda left 90210 and Tori Spelling became the star of the show it went on to die a slow and painful death.

Heh heh, I always call that the Bronco follow instead of the Bronco chase. And, because I have no shame, I can remember exactly where I was, who I was with and what I was doing. (Painting my granddaughter's bedroom).

IA about seeing Scott Wilson. Perhaps the best and most meaningful part of tonight's ep.

[mightysparrow]

One of the things that struck me was seeing Maggie and Carol holding Michonne as she screamed.  Back in the day, women on TWD were there for each other and supported each other.  Michonne was there for Sasha and she had been there for Maggie too.  But Michonne seemed to forget everything and everybody when she got with Rick.  He became her whole world.  Seeing those two women holding another women overcome with grief reminded me of what once was.  It was sad and it was beautiful. 

[maystone]

22 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Posted this in the live discussion thread, but wanted to bring it over here as well - concerning the A/B scale to which Jadis and the helicopter folks constantly refer:

—————-

In *this* specific context - and regarding how Jadis kept trying to tip walkers into face-nibbles with both Negan and FP - I’m wondering if:

• A = “lightly” ZV-infected; bitten, but not yet turned.
• B = not ZV-infected.

That's an interesting thought. Jadis wasn't close enough to Rick to determine that status, though, was she? It seemed like she was pretty far from where everything was going down with herd and the dynamite. But then, how did she know he was even alive on the river bank? Was he visibly thrashing around or something? Honest question; I couldn't pick Rick out at all on my screen by that point.

[TvGeek]

1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

 Am the only one who heard one of them speak near the end? Maybe I'm hallucinating too.

Spoiler

Are you speaking of the preview of the next 3 episodes because if so I swear I heard a zombie saying "where are they" or "where did they go"

Edited November 5, 2018 by TvGeek

[AntiBeeSpray]

57 minutes ago, suomi said:

Or maybe it's just shitty writing. 

Or deus ex helicopter? 

[Boofish]

Judith combing the woods alone with a shotgun - I guess they are using the same parenting book they used to raise Carl.

[Iguessnot]

12 minutes ago, maystone said:

That's an interesting thought. Jadis wasn't close enough to Rick to determine that status, though, was she? It seemed like she was pretty far from where everything was going down with herd and the dynamite. But then, how did she know he was even alive on the river bank? Was he visibly thrashing around or something? Honest question; I couldn't pick Rick out at all on my screen by that point.

They showed the explosion out yonder aways. Then at her position, she seems to be at a water bank where walker parts are floating. She looks up the bank and obviously with her 20/20 vision, sees Rick. We didn't actually see him move until the camera focused in on him. I don't know how he got from point A to point B and up a bank so fast. 

[maystone]

Let me get this out of the way first. As I was watching, I was gobsmacked that they didn't let Rick die the heroic death that he had certainly earned over the course of the show. And certainly the build up with the hallucinations involving Shane and Hershel (both excellent scenes) and Sasha (a bit more mystical than the other two) seemed to be settling some things in Rick's mind, giving him - and us - a little closure. But no. His grand, beautiful gesture, the heart-breaking race by his family and friends to rescue him, and their utter despair at his self sacrifice all was just a prelude to the news that there are going to be movie spin offs. J.F.C. What really took my breath away was hearing that AL was not just fine with it, but was part of the decision making. You know, I'm a full-grown adult, and I get that TV is a business. I also get that there's a disconnect between the experience of a show from their side of the TV screen and from mine. It still doesn't mean that I'm not very disappointed with AL and TPTB about that ending. God, even the damn title of the episode - What Comes After - turns out to be a promo for the new spin-offs and the time jump rather than a commentary on the central plot of this episode. Sigh.

I'll be back next week because of Carol and Michonne and Daryl. I gotta say that the introduction of so many young actors has me concerned that the last remnants of CDB are going to get short shrift while the show works on luring younger viewers back. I know the some of the new characters are from the comics, so it's not they're being invented out of whole cloth (Hi, Daryl!), but I'm kind of running out of slack to cut.

Oh, and that nonsense with Maggie and Negan? So he's been putting up a big-boy, snarly front until he could be confronted by Maggie? Because inside he's been wanting to die from grief over his wife, but the only death he would accept would be at the hands of Maggie? Did I get that right? *shrug* All right. If that's the way to move forward and away from the monomaniacal monologue monster that's been Negan until tonight . . . sure. Why not.

[econ07]

Another case of writers creating the plot to serve the desired outcome rather than creating a plot and writing the outcome afterwards that they feel would most naturally evolve from that plot.  So basically:

Rick is so close to the explosion that it is obvious to everyone that he died, so obvious that not a single person searches for him to confirm his death ... yet he is far enough not to die from the explosion.

The bomb is strong enough to throw him clear of the bridge, and in a direction that no one would see him, yet not so strong that he bashes his head into rock, metal, or earth and dies.

Then he groans at just the right time to attract Jadis' attention over the noise of a helicopter, but conveniently waits until all his friends have cried, waled, grieved, cried more, and left.

Then, Rick is stubborn enough to always fight to get to his family, but does not care enough to leave his new group for at least 6 years to get back to his daughter and his true love.

 

That's a lot of disbelief to suspend writers.  I know you wanted to extract Rick from this show and keep him alive, but c'mon.

Edited November 5, 2018 by econ07

[heisenberg]

1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

Anyone care about Jadis' Top Secret mission? Anyone?

It is the only thing I care about since the first glimpse of the helicopter.  I keep wishing that where the helicopter goes there is a real civilisation.  No mad max, no little house on the prairie, a real place with computers, scientists and stuff.   Maybe a cure?

But it was all so poorly done that I gave up.  The lady with the twins for example...  Anyone knows who the fuck they are and why they passed by?

There was just too many loose strings but now my interest is back.  More than with judith and the gang,

If they devellop that plot that is... They can also forget about it, I guess they don't really care in fact. A flash once or twice per season... 

It makes me think of Lost, turning in circles to finish with nothing at the end.  I hope not.

[phoenix780]

Rick's non death is an interesting choice, especially followed by a time jump. I can't imagine there will be a satisfying outcome from it, but I'm definitely curious to see what they do. And that's all I have left for the show-- mild curiosity about how it all eventually ends. I thought Rick's demise would trigger something, I guess not though. 

[heisenberg]

1 minute ago, econ07 said:

yet he is far enough not to die from the explosion.

But at the same time just close enough to cauterise the wound without burning one hair...  :-)

[econ07]

1 minute ago, heisenberg said:

But at the same time just close enough to cauterise the wound without burning one hair...  :-)

You know explosions do travel in a straight line along a wound, right.  Doctors are starting to use explosions instead of stitches.

[Dobian]

I thought it was all great until that helicopter showed up.  The episode had it all.  Great scenes with the past characters, real zombie horror, Maggie and Negan, Rick imagining his people running in to save him from the horde, the look on Daryl's face as he watched Rick blow up the bridge.  And then comes the improbable helicopter rescue that undermined Rick's great sacrifice and spoiled everything.  Even if they got the logistics right, it was still terrible.  But you have to add in the fact that it made no sense he would have landed in the river and been washed downstream.  He would have either been blown up with the bridge or been blown back to the side he was standing on.  And why is it necessary for him to live, so he can make some miraculous reappearance years later?  I guess they want Andrew Lincoln back for the final episodes of the final season, whenever that comes.  I really don't mind the time jump at all, the show needed a shot in the arm.  But Rick needed to stay dead.

[dvil]

22 minutes ago, phoenix780 said:

Rick's non death is an interesting choice, especially followed by a time jump. I can't imagine there will be a satisfying outcome from it, but I'm definitely curious to see what they do.

As pointed out on Talking Dead, AMC will be making feature films (to air on AMC) that continue Rick Grimes' story, as well as a whole slew of other projects that expand the Walking Dead universe- past, present, and future, all over the world.

[AngelaHunter]

21 minutes ago, heisenberg said:

But at the same time just close enough to cauterise the wound without burning one hair...  :-)

Yes, cauterize it with all the rust and debris from the rebar left inside. Gee, that could kill a person!

[iRarelyWatchTV36]

29 minutes ago, dvil said:

As pointed out on Talking Dead, AMC will be making feature films (to air on AMC) that continue Rick Grimes' story, as well as a whole slew of other projects that expand the Walking Dead universe- past, present, and future, all over the world.

In other words, they want to expand their search for water because the original well is quickly advancing in the process of completely drying up.

"... expand the Walking Dead universe- past, present, and future, all over the world".   Lol, yeah.  They've already tried that, with FTWD.  Given they had the WHOLE of the Greater LA area and all its denizens with which to work with - as the whole ZA started - yet the audience was stuck with following one little hysterically overly-dysfunctional familial unit and was forced into a 1.5 to 2 week time skip after only 3 episodes.  Sorry Gimps, but fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Iguessnot]

59 minutes ago, econ07 said:

Another case of writers creating the plot to serve the desired outcome rather than creating a plot and writing the outcome afterwards that they feel would most naturally evolve from that plot.  So basically:

Rick is so close to the explosion that it is obvious to everyone that he died, so obvious that not a single person searches for him to confirm his death ... yet he is far enough not to die from the explosion.

The bomb is strong enough to throw him clear of the bridge, and in a direction that no one would see him, yet not so strong that he bashes his head into rock, metal, or earth and dies.

Then he groans at just the right time to attract Jadis' attention over the noise of a helicopter, but conveniently waits until all his friends have cried, waled, grieved, cried more, and left.

Then, Rick is stubborn enough to always fight to get to his family, but does not care enough to leave his new group for at least 6 years to get back to his daughter and his true love.

 

That's a lot of disbelief to suspend writers.  I know you wanted to extract Rick from this show and keep him alive, but c'mon.

Rick wasn't blown that far away. He fell into the water and drifted down river to where Jadis was standing.

[MVFrostsMyPie]

3 hours ago, mxc90 said:

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In the preview: did they say walkers are evolving and did a walker speak when they were walking by Rosita?

Yep, seemed like it. It cracked me up. 

Spoiler

I think I heard "where are they?", but I think the walkers should be saying things like "feeeeeed me!" "I'm freaking hangry" or "my preciousssss". Maybe "bite me" if they're super cranky and have been a walker for several years now. Damn, that's a long ass time to be roaming around looking for fresh flesh.

 

I have to admit I might have gotten a little teary after the bridge blew up and Daryl tried to shed a tear. But I also have a headache now, which I'm also blaming on this damn show. 

How does Maggie's hair look as pretty as a bridesmaid's during a humid summer wedding during the zombie apocalypse? Lame sauce.

Edited November 5, 2018 by MVFrostsMyPie

[MVFrostsMyPie]

I am okay with never seeing Negan's past, present or future on TV. Least favorite character of this show, ever. At least in a dark prison, I don't have to see him bend his back and pontificate for hours on end.

Also, what happened to the dude Carl saved (and died because of)? He still around? There's so many characters, I can't remember to care about any of them. Except Jesus, because he's pretty to look at.

[dvil]

1 minute ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

At least in a dark prison, I don't have to see him bend his back and pontificate for hours on end.

But would Negan have the same air about him as a gym teacher or a used car salesman?

[MVFrostsMyPie]

He'd be even worse.

[Iguessnot]

12 minutes ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

I am okay with never seeing Negan's past, present or future on TV. Least favorite character of this show, ever. At least in a dark prison, I don't have to see him bend his back and pontificate for hours on end.

Also, what happened to the dude Carl saved (and died because of)? He still around? There's so many characters, I can't remember to care about any of them. Except Jesus, because he's pretty to look at.

Siddiq is still around. He's the one giving Enid medical training.

[thuganomics85]

So, after all the hoopla and whatnot, they end up naturally leaving things open so that Rick could return, if Andrew Lincoln decides he wants back in.  Yep, not very surprising.  The show likes to act like things are unpredictable and anybody can go, but they'll never full commit to it. 

Spoiler

I suspect the same will happen with Maggie, when Lauren Cohan makes her exit.

 

The best parts were definitely revisiting the old characters again.  Shane was and will always be a dick and a half, but damn, if Jon Bernthal isn't one of the best actors to ever appear on this show and I'm glad his career took off (even if his scene, I could almost see Shane breaking the fourth wall and saying "Don't mourn for me, Rick!  My career took off big time!  I'm the Punisher!  I worked with the likes of Edgar Wright and Denis Villeneuve!  Hell, I was in a fucking Scorsese film!  It's good being Jon Bernthal!")  Hershel's scene was more of a gut punch, due to Scott Wilson's passing.  He will be missed.  The Sasha scene was good, even though it had bit of a "Who else is available for this?  Oh, Sonequa Martin-Green's not busy with Star Trek at the moment?  Yeah, she'll work, I guess" feel to that one.

Of course, they were going to find a way to not have Maggie kill Negan, so we can have him continue to monologue for years to come.  He's what I choose to believe Michonne was really thinking:

Michonne's mind: "OK, Maggie's here to kill Negan.  Good, maybe I can finally get some peace and quiet.  Let me put on a good show about resisting, so Rick won't whine about me not trying to stop her, and then let it happen!"

(Maggie comes out without doing the deed.)

Michonne's mind: "Dammit, Maggie!  You had one job!"

So, now we've done another big time jump, with a new batch of survivors (including Dan Folger a.k.a. Jacob from Fantastic Beasts, so maybe he can get Newt and the rest of the wizards in on the action!), and Badass Teenager Judith.  Alrighty then....

I guess I'm curious to see what in the hell they do now, but I'm prepared for it to all go south.  I'm not saying Rick leaving is a dealbreaker, but it seems like almost everything is getting overhauled, and I just don't know if they will pull it off.

[millennium]

3 hours ago, Zombness said:

Good evening everyone...I am sure we will all be here  next week to see how the show develops without Andy.

Not all of us.   This is goodbye for me.   Rick Grimes was the only thing that kept me coming back despite years of abuse by this show.

Seeing Scott Wilson one last time was great -- not only great but prescient, placing him on the threshold of the afterlife mere weeks before he crossed over himself.   Shane's reappearance was unexpected but not unappreciated.   It cemented my belief that the show killed him off way too soon.   Shane wouldn't have suffered the Governor for more than an episode or two.

The sentimentalist in me was disappointed Carl was a no-show.   And Lori.   Rick goes on for a full episode moaning, "Have to find my family ..." and no Carl or Lori?   

About that ending: cheaper than cheap.   Cheaper even than Maggie's cliched encounter with too-sad-to-kill Negan

Good luck to everyone with the new and improved Walkers.   Are they all going to sound like the Crypt-Keeper?   Maybe they should mix it up, give some of the evolved Walkers British accents or perhaps a hip hop edge.

A final thank you to the show for resisting showing us another horse being devoured by Walkers.

Well, my helicopter's here.    See ya.

[IDreamofJoaquin]

I'll be on my island of one looking forward to seeing where this goes.   Having the Walkers evolving and seeing the Whispers and the rest of what is going on in the world piques my interest.  Yet at the same time I can't stand Fear the Walking Dead and can barely get into the 3rd season.  So I'll be disappointed if they fuck this up.

I still think it's a shame that they had to off Carl and now Judith will be the new generation?   The Shane scenes were everything. 

[GreyBunny]

I got teary-eyed when Hershel showed up and Daryl's crumple-face was effective.

Maggie is a sucker. She should have walked up, killed Negan, and called it a day. I had no interest in hearing him blubber about his wife.

I loved it when the horse was all, "I'm done dealing with this asshole," and ran off.

Rick and the helicopter - what a cowardly ending. 

[Nashville]

They probably have me for at least another couple of episodes or so - pretty much solely because I want to see if they revisit Carol and her fight with the renegade Saviors at the Battle of Bridge Camp.  

Other than that...?  They better come up with something pretty fucking stellar in the next 2-3 hours of show to pique my interest, else I’m out.  I already dumped FTWD; got zero problems dumping the mothership as well, at this point.  TWD’s credit with my loyalty bank is overdrawn.

[mxc90]

Are walkers ta

3 hours ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

Yep, seemed like it. It cracked me up. 

Are they talking in the comics? Or is this a desperation attempt?

[Ouisch]

3 hours ago, dvil said:

But would Negan have the same air about him as a gym teacher or a used car salesman?

I'd hate to be the overweight kid who couldn't climb the rope in his gym class.

 

That was supposed to be a six year time jump at the end? Carol's hair grew longer than it ever has in the first eight seasons and turns completely white, while Daryl looked exactly the same.

[Lady Iris]

5 hours ago, econ07 said:

Then, Rick is stubborn enough to always fight to get to his family, but does not care enough to leave his new group for at least 6 years to get back to his daughter and his true love.

Yes!!! That’s what I’m thinking. What possible contrivance can be used to explain this.

 

Seeing Herschel was so damn bittersweet. His, Shane and Sasha’s scenes were worth the price of admission. 

I was hoping we’d get to hear one more ‘Coral’ tho. 

[Mu Shu]

7 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

What. The.  Fucking. Fuck?

Rick didn’t die so he can do TV movies.

judith is now about 11 and annoying as fuck. Just add water, insta preteen Judith.  No way.  We watched  coral grow up and earn his role.  This is lazy.

negan lives, and has morphed into a really tall Charles Manson.

we will get new people.  You know, instead of developing Oceanside or the Simply Irresistible harem.  You know, stuff with potential.

oh, and Carol has let herself go.  

Eta-Apparently b team Sasha is more important to Rick than lauri, Carl, or Glenn fucking Rhee.  The hell?  

Edited November 5, 2018 by Mu Shu

[Macbeth]

7 hours ago, Zombness said:

Good evening everyone...I am sure we will all be here  next week to see how the show develops without Andy.

No. I won't   I am so pissed over the fact that Rick didn't die and maybe will show up in movies.  (Which I really don't believe will happen).

i have let myself be treated like a piece of shit by TPTB long enough  

The only reason I stayed this long was because of this forum. 

[dvil]

59 minutes ago, mxc90 said:

Are walkers ta

Are they talking in the comics? Or is this a desperation attempt?

Spoiler

The walkers aren't talking. Living people, The Whisperers, are camouflaging themselves as walkers.

[stormy weather]

... And that's how we find out Michonne is pregnant! Congratulations! Well, at least they spared us the 3 seasons of pregnancy and grieving and yearning for revenge we had to suffer through with Maggie. 

I loved how the walking pace of the zombies seemed to change according to Rick's visions, peaks of pain and blackouts. They always seem to be 10 feet away and then he passes out for an indefinite amount of time and when he wakes up they're still 10 feet away!! That's very respectful of them to let Rick have his "moments". Or maybe they're here to introduce the show's new philosophical edge with the question: "do other things exist when I don't see them?" (further illustrated with the already mentioned appearance of the magical silent/see-through helicopter).

When Maggie let Negan out of his cell I thought he was going to try and head for the hills, and I am so, SO glad they didn't go for that. I really don't understand Negan's purpose in the show at this point. I mean, I get why Maggie didn't kill him, maybe she thought his suffering was a harsher punishment than death, but now what? And what was the big reveal with him being kept in the darkness all this time and her asking him to step into the light and then... nothing? Did I miss something? Because apart from looking a bit beaten up and unkempt, he seemed fine.

And please NO. MORE. NEW. CHARACTERS. Especially a bunch of stereotypical hipsters! This show is going to turn into The Real World: Alexandria.

 

7 hours ago, Nashville said:

In *this* specific context - and regarding how Jadis kept trying to tip walkers into face-nibbles with both Negan and FP - I’m wondering if:

• A = “lightly” ZV-infected; bitten, but not yet turned.
• B = not ZV-infected.

But then how does that explain Gabriel? Jadis thought he was a B and then when he said "okay well, I guess I'll have to love you and leave you" she changed her mind and said he was an A. Did she realize he had been bitten by seeing him up close? She should've already realized then, no? That's why I think it has something to do more with character than with physical appearance/health. I might be wrong, though, 'cause other than that, your explanation makes sense. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by stormy weather

[mxc90]

13 minutes ago, dvil said:

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The walkers aren't talking. Living people, The Whisperers, are camouflaging themselves as walkers.

Thank you!