Season 6 Discussion

[monicageller]

Damn, those comments on Ashley and Jay's wedding site were disgusting. They sounded like they were written by David Eason (shoutout to my fellow Teen Mom 2 watchers!).

1 hour ago, CSS.MD said:

She did attend a real, existing, legitimate university in Jakarta (UKI).

But yeah she does strike me as the type of person who’d been to a pony petting zoo TWICE and start referring to herself as an “equestrian” after. LOL. Neeeehhhh...

In fact I’m wondering (just based on the US$ 300K wedding claim that doesn’t add up) if she’s a pathological liar.

[CSS.MD]

23 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

It was answered in a post a few shows ago that Indonesian med school is like a BS (hee) here.  She'd need to go through at least all of med school here, and residency, before being able to practice in the US.

I still think she looked up Barbie's resume to copy.  I expect astronaut next.

It is an undergraduate programme and I don’t believe she has any intention of enrolling into an American med school.

In previous episode threads, people guessed she was trying to be a Kardashian-type.

But after this episode, I think she’s trying to be more of a Housewive’s type (but she’s at that fake-it-till-you-make-it phase).

5 minutes ago, monicageller said:

Damn, those comments on Ashley and Jay's wedding site were disgusting. They sounded like they were written by David Eason (shoutout to my fellow Teen Mom 2 watchers!).

LMAO! Baby koalas are so cute. 🐨🐨🐨🐨

[athousandclowns]

10 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I guess I’m in the minority because I liked all three and preferred the first and third. I was expecting something right, low cut and beadazzled so heavilynit could be seen from the moon withou a telescope. She’s a pretty girl and she will make a beautiful bride.

Me too I found the two sophisticated and something reminding me of evening gown in old movie.  The full strapless looks more what I thought she would pick . Sometimes wedding dresses like long long hair all look similar to me and very tired of the trend. 

I suggest Leida wear the housecoat she has for mopping and vacuuming and kicking family to the curb. 

[CSS.MD]

13 hours ago, Lillith said:

Leida and Eric both suck. I like Fernanda even though she's clearly hot tempered and immature, she seems reasonably intelligent so I have hopes for her growing up as a person. Jonathan clearly will not.

• Fernanda is more mature than I was when I was 19.
• Tasha is more mature/independant than I was when I was 19.
• Olga is more indépendant than I was when I was 20.
• Leida reminds me of my 15-year-old self (not even my 16-year-old self, but 15—and I sure as hell grew out of that by the time I hit 19).

It’s embarrassing and not cute.

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Cole is another creep.  I don't love Larissa but the way they carrot/stick that woman is obnoxious. 

OMG I am so glad you see it too! That guy is enjoying the power imbalance that having all the money in the relationship far too much! He’s going to make her jump hoops upon hoops for her “allowance”, pampering sugar daddy he is not! More like sadist.

14 hours ago, Drogo said:

Kyle and Noon.   (I think he was the best American to ever be on the show, and he lived in a house full of cockroaches and old pizza boxes.)

💛

13 hours ago, Drogo said:

 

LOL. One of my 4 cats is emotionally-needy like that.

Edited December 5, 2018 by CSS.MD
Lunch break makes me drowsy. 🥤

[CSS.MD]

11 hours ago, iwasish said:

Oh, the show participants read it I’m sure. And then they try to damage control and blame the “haters”.

I don’t feel bad for what I post, I’m reacting to what I’m watching. If someone is acting a fool, that’s what I see. Frankly, I don’t understand how they don’t realize how badly they’re acting, and that tells me what I see is most likely an accurate representation of the person. 

It’s fair game to me too.

If a person wants to be famous and not have people bash you for your life choices then be a film/TV/theatre actor, and never call the paparazzi. Nobody will berate you for killing Batman on-screen then.

But when your thirsty self puts your personal life on reality TV as your “plotline” and make that your main attraction, and you’re so narcissistic/delusional that you believe that people will like you regardless of what you do, but then then get upset when people dislike you based on your behaviour, that’s on you.

Most of us don’t just assume that everybody’s going to automatically like us—which is why most of us attempt to be nice in an effort to be liked and gain approval.

People aren’t “haterz” because you hate the reality check they gave you...

Edited December 5, 2018 by CSS.MD
“Film” does not start a vowel dammit. 🥤

[magemaud]

2 hours ago, CSS.MD said:

In fact I’m wondering (just based on the US$ 300K wedding claim that doesn’t add up) if she’s a pathological liar.

Maybe not a pathological liar, but at the very least an exaggerator and embellisher. 

[CSS.MD]

11 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Maybe not a pathological liar, but at the very least an exaggerator and embellisher. 

You’re probably right because, apparently, it’s a very rare condition—only less than 5% of the population are pathological and/or compulsive liars: https://www.everydayhealth.com/emotional-health/truth-behind-pathological-compulsive-liars/

[mistac01]

5 hours ago, gingerella said:

There are ways around everything, and visas and green cards are no different. In addition, there are a myriad of ways to enter the USA legally and then request green card status. In addition to the marrying approach - which this show has proven is a fucking joke - there are work visas, educational visas, visas for people who survived natural disasters and for whatever reason cannot continue living in their home country (I know people who've come here legally on other visas after a natural disaster because they had PTSD from their disaster experiences, and they didn't have a shit ton of money in the bank, but they had an immigration lawyer on both sides who assisted them through the system, and they had two siblings here who helped them settle in initially.

Huh???  I though this was obvious......but......the topic of discussion there is the visa that Fernanda's family would be using to temporarily enter the USA to attend her wedding, i.e. a B-2 tourism visa(which is required if your home country is not part of the VWP).  You don't use asylum, seasonal work permits, natural disaster suvivorship, student, etc visas for that.  But feel free to contact Fernanda and let her know that if only her parents had thought to lodge a false asylum claim, then they could come to the USA temporarily for her wedding and avoid all of that pesky red tape!  Why, how could her parents be so dumb, I'm sure there would have been no negative side affects from that plan!

Edited December 5, 2018 by mistac01

[Gobi]

6 hours ago, CSS.MD said:

She did attend a real, existing, legitimate university in Jakarta (UKI).

But yeah she does strike me as the type of person who’d been to a pony petting zoo TWICE and start referring to herself as an “equestrian” after. LOL. Neeeehhhh...

In fact I’m wondering (just based on the US$ 300K wedding claim that doesn’t add up) if she’s a pathological liar.

I have a theory about the $300,000.00 figure she used. From the photos you posted, 300,000,000.00 Indonesian seems like an average wedding cost at a nice hotel, and is probably what her parents spent. That may or may not be a lot in Indonesia, but the U.S. equivalent, about $21,000.00, isn't going to impress anyone here.  She wants to make it seem as expensive as she can. She knows that $300,000,000.00 would sound ridiculous, so she knocks off some zeros and makes it $300,000.00. Never mind that $300K for a wedding is crazy rich; and not just crazy rich Asian, it's crazy rich American, European, you name it.

[CoachWristletJen]

8 hours ago, Cherrio said:

That's not a crease, its his lobotomy scar.

ROFLOL! 

If I wasn't yet awake this morning I am now. Brilliant! 

[CSS.MD]

2 hours ago, Gobi said:

I have a theory about the $300,000.00 figure she used. From the photos you posted, 300,000,000.00 Indonesian seems like an average wedding cost at a nice hotel, and is probably what her parents spent. That may or may not be a lot in Indonesia, but the U.S. equivalent, about $21,000.00, isn't going to impress anyone here.  She wants to make it seem as expensive as she can. She knows that $300,000,000.00 would sound ridiculous, so she knocks off some zeros and makes it $300,000.00. Never mind that $300K for a wedding is crazy rich; and not just crazy rich Asian, it's crazy rich American, European, you name it.

Yes!!!! THIS. ☝🏼

I also think the “she knocked 3 zeros off without doing the maths” theory is the most plausible explanation to the exaggeration. I’m not even sure she understands how much money that is (or that some Americans earn US$60,000 per annum as middle class people and a “six-figure income” is a big deal). Hell, I’m not even sure she quite understands how much US$ 4,000–7,000 furniture is. It’s like she thinks she’s playing “The Sims”.

Seriously, I can’t with these people trying to insult their audience’s intelligence because these fools are dumb AF. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Like, Judge-Judy-eye-roll dumb.

[lucy711]

2 hours ago, Gobi said:

I have a theory about the $300,000.00 figure she used. From the photos you posted, 300,000,000.00 Indonesian seems like an average wedding cost at a nice hotel, and is probably what her parents spent. That may or may not be a lot in Indonesia, but the U.S. equivalent, about $21,000.00, isn't going to impress anyone here.  She wants to make it seem as expensive as she can. She knows that $300,000,000.00 would sound ridiculous, so she knocks off some zeros and makes it $300,000.00. Never mind that $300K for a wedding is crazy rich; and not just crazy rich Asian, it's crazy rich American, European, you name it.

I agree with this 100%.  Quite frankly, I'd be embarrassed to say that my parents spent $300,000.00 on a marriage that lasted for only 2 years.  I wouldn't want to admit that.    But obviously Leida thinks it is somehow impressive.  So yes, Leida, continue to impress us with tales from your first wedding while you sleep on a twin bed with Mr. Eyebags.  You are totally winning at life.

Eric and Leida would be better served by taking their budget and doing a wedding at a something like a Bed and Breakfast with just the two of them and a witness.  I doubt Eric's family would be too broken up about not being there.

[CSS.MD]

13 minutes ago, lucy711 said:

I agree with this 100%.  Quite frankly, I'd be embarrassed to say that my parents spent $300,000.00 on a marriage that lasted for only 2 years.  I wouldn't want to admit that.    But obviously Leida thinks it is somehow impressive.  So yes, Leida, continue to impress us with tales from your first wedding while you sleep on a twin bed with Mr. Eyebags.  You are totally winning at life.

Eric and Leida would be better served by taking their budget and doing a wedding at a something like a Bed and Breakfast with just the two of them and a witness.  I doubt Eric's family would be too broken up about not being there.

Frankly I’d be more broken up about having to pay for my booze at the cash bar.

[Drogo]

12 minutes ago, CSS.MD said:

Frankly I’d be more broken up about having to pay for my booze at the cash bar.

I went to a BYOB wedding once.  It was better than a cash bar. 

The couple was also better than Eric and Leida, so there's that. 

 

Let's have some fun while we wait:

[PinkFlamingo]

I don't remember if this was specifically mentioned or not, but did anyone notice the back and forth rapid fire questioning of Aseulu by the evil sisters? It seemed like an interrogation, like the questions were planned and they couldn't wait to get them all out and make him screw up in answering them. They were ready to pounce on a wrong answer and he was impressively able to clarify some of those "wrong" answers. And God forbid he said something to make Kalani look bad by mentioning her not wanting to deal with his family or something like that. She quickly turned it around on him with the brother thing. Makes me wonder if the brother comment was really actually something bad or something misinterpreted. She seems like the kind of person to write off a whole person over one wrong statement, misinterpreted or not. If Asuelu stays with her she will always be looking for him to screw up and using her family members to gang up on him with. 

[winsomeone]

I wish they would show Olga sometime when the baby isn't attached to her breast.

[Teriyaki Terror]

15 hours ago, CSS.MD said:

☀️ GOOD MORNING, AMERICA! 🇺🇸

This is your daily reminder that Leida is rich:

This post is gold. 

Girl, when are you going to realize Eric is broke and you're luxury shipping is going to be Target.

[PinkFlamingo]

1 minute ago, winsomeone said:

I wish they would show Olga sometime when the baby isn't attached to her breast.

Maybe that's when most of the arguments take place so that happens to be the footage used by the producers. 

[Raja]

1 hour ago, CSS.MD said:

Yes!!!! THIS. ☝🏼

I also think the “she knocked 3 zeros off without doing the maths” theory is the most plausible explanation to the exaggeration. I’m not even sure she understands how much money that is (or that some Americans earn US$60,000 per annum as middle class people and a “six-figure income” is a big deal). Hell, I’m not even sure she quite understands how much US$ 4,000–7,000 furniture is. It’s like she thinks she’s playing “The Sims”.

Seriously, I can’t with these people trying to insult their audience’s intelligence because these fools are dumb AF. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Like, Judge-Judy-eye-roll dumb.

No, she knows even if she was a kept woman while "working" in Japan she has to understand exchange rates and local cost of living

1 hour ago, lucy711 said:

I agree with this 100%.  Quite frankly, I'd be embarrassed to say that my parents spent $300,000.00 on a marriage that lasted for only 2 years.  I wouldn't want to admit that.    But obviously Leida thinks it is somehow impressive.  So yes, Leida, continue to impress us with tales from your first wedding while you sleep on a twin bed with Mr. Eyebags.  You are totally winning at life.

Eric and Leida would be better served by taking their budget and doing a wedding at a something like a Bed and Breakfast with just the two of them and a witness.  I doubt Eric's family would be too broken up about not being there.

But what is financially best for then  is not best for the show. From the first season of 90DF on the other message board forward the snark tended to come to an end when the dress and ceremony episode was reached. We are their wedding guest

[Teriyaki Terror]

On 12/2/2018 at 9:17 PM, Cammi said:

Leida girl, I'll tell you what a friend's grandmas once told me: "There are a lot of dicks you can suck. Little, big, cut, uncut...- Just don't suck the one that's gotta cash his paycheck at Walmart". That's on YOU. And I call BS on her whole rich girl fabricated storyline. 

Larissa's little fans in the car were a much needed humor I needed tonight, because this season has taken a dark turn imo. 

This is great advice. 

[Teriyaki Terror]

On 12/2/2018 at 9:52 PM, sconstant said:

She's not awful, she's made all kinds of sacrifices to be with him.  And all she asks in return is that he give her the identical life she had before.

Say that again out loud, slower, and actually listen to yourself.

Marrying someone doesn't mean you deserve or will receive the identical lifestyle. Let's call a spade a spade here. Leida is only in it to immigrate to the US. She's an opportunist just like the rest of them (minus Olga). 

[funky-rat]

On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 10:06 PM, TrininisaScorp said:

Leida and Eric are the worst.  On the one side, he just picked and paid for a venue/food/etc without her?!  Like.  Did he have a coupon or something (I’m a bargain hunter myself, so no hate)?!  On the other side, I hate that Leida still doesn’t understand that the lifestyle HER PARENTS have afforded her isn’t the one she should expect here.  That ballroom looked way more respectable than I expected from Eric, and with the right décor and lighting, it would be a nice venue for a decent wedding. That is WAY better than I thought he would do.  Leida is just rigid in what she thinks she deserves.  She thinks she’s a 12 outta 10, when she’s really a 2.5.  Maybe add some pops of color in the all white flower thang?  Maybe stop fixating on the $300K wedding for the 2 yr marriage (cost $150K a year!!)?  Maybe stop asking Eric to illegally and immorally stop paying child support for his kid?  CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN CHILD SUPPORT TO THIS USELESS BITCH?!  You know she’s just mad that he didn’t take her dad’s money.    Eric almost had me on his side…until he said to get rid of Indonesian culture background.  Dude.  This isn’t about her being Indonesian and people outside of America care about their families, asshole.  It’s about her being a selfish bitch. 

What I didn't understand is why they were setting up a dance floor (which would then imply music would be needed) for TWENTY FIVE people.  The coordinator only mentioned appetizer/finger foods, so I am assuming there is no actual meal being served.  I'm OK with that - I'm from a largely rural area and have been to many receptions held in fire halls, where people bring dishes to share, and they were all fun, and well done.  I know Leida would poo-poo that, but it's realistic.

On ‎12‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 11:19 PM, iwasish said:

How is Debbie not respectful of their privacy? The only time we’ve seen her have breakfast with them was when Larissa cooked and insisted that Colt invite her. The other times Larissa and Colt have had breakfast Debbie is not there. She didn’t go to the possible wedding venue, or apartment hunting. Yes having a third party there is intrusive at times, but Larissa talks about bringing one of her kids over, that’s intrusive too. I see Larissa having the attitude not Debbie.  She thinks getting rid of Debbie will make it easier to get into Colt’s wallet. It isn’t Debbie that makes Colt cheap. It’s his nature. 

The $1600 apartment was unfurnished. I’m guessing the $3250 furnished one was probably for short term visitors/people that have some business in the casinos and night clubs. 

if Colt blanched at 1600, i wonder what he and Debbie pay. If their total rent is less than 1600 and each pays half then I can see him not wanting to pick up the whole 1600 on his own. Until Larissa is able to work and contribute I say keep the status quo. Who knows what kind of money Larissa can earn, who knows what her skills are. 

I see Debbie trapped in a bad spot.  She had this all sprung on her fairly quickly, and she's older, and more set in her ways, and is having a hard time adjusting.  And there is a lot of producer driven drama in their story as well.

 

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 10:27 AM, Lily247 said:

I cannot stand Larissa, but Debbie is truly passive aggressive with het sneakiness. She dropped the word "senior living" to Colt, and immediatelt you could see the panic and wheels turning in his head at the thought of his mother living in "senior living", which probably conjured up inages of nursing homes. I dont see why Debbie couldnt find a cute little place in a 55+ community. She and her son are codependent- he wabts her to cook his meals, do his laundry, pick him up from work, in exchange she gets his company. A good solution to make everyone a little bit happy would be to live near each other, so Debbie can still come over a coupke nights a week for dinner but everyone has their space. For married couples in the West, the wife is the lady of the house, this isnt India or Pakistan where women must defer to their mother in laws for everything. And Debbie is absolutely not ready to give up that title. Larissa is the 3rd wheel, not Debbie. Sick. By the way, the house looks like it smells of boiled cabbage and mushy canned vegetables. 

It WOULD be a good solution, but Larissa said more than once that she does NOT want Debbie to live anywhere near them.

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 1:19 PM, StatisticalOutlier said:

If you're talking about the scene in the pharmacy, it looked like he didn't understand what the amount was, and was asking her to write it down, and she wouldn't do it.  I see producer involvement in that, too, because putting numbers in writing is a common way to overcome language barriers.

He held out money and the pharmacist would not help him with the right amounts either.  I agree - producer driven.

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 4:24 PM, Elizzikra said:

I wouldn't count on that. I have no idea what her financial picture looks like but it could be very limited. She doesn't appear to be working. I have no idea what her husband did or whether he left life insurance, a pension or any sort of retirement savings. She might not have any retirement savings of her own. She could well be disabled but not "on disability" which is hard to get. That leaves her with social security which is often not much, and Medicare for her healthcare (which may not cover all her medical expenses). 

On top of that, Debbie is relatively young. At 66, she could easily live another 20 - 30 years. If her means are limited now, she has to figure out how whatever money she has is going to stretch to cover the remainder of her lifespan.

I liked her on the live episode. I've read somewhere on here that Colt helps her financially which, whatever else I may think of him, her or them, I think is lovely. It's also very common in other cultures, for younger generations to take care of their elders. I'm not convinced that Debbie has the financial resources to live independently of Colt and I'm almost certain that she would experience a marked decrease in her lifestyle and quality of life if she were living on her own. 

I can't stand Larissa (not a huge fan of Colt either). Colt definitely has myriad faults but Larissa is greedy and selfish. She has no second thoughts at all about kicking her future mother-in-law to the curb because she thinks she will have easier access to Colt's money if Debbie isn't there. Of the three of them, the only one I'd want to be around for any length of time is Debbie. And if I still ate red meat, I'd happily eat her beef stew.

**THIS**^^

On ‎12‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 7:08 PM, magemaud said:

I remember that, too, so I'm really confused. How could Colt say the "lease was almost up" unless they were RENTING? 

I think she just said the place was "hers" - that could mean it's her name on the lease.

On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 6:21 AM, renatae said:

This is what bugs me about both Eric and Colt. Their wives have unreasonable expectations about what they should spend on items, but the things they are asking for, they actually need. Both these dolts go shopping, tell their wives-to-be they can't afford top of the line, and instead of buying something they can afford, go home with nothing! Still no air conditioning, no decent bed, no couches. What kind of stupido behaves this way?

A lot of this is producer driven as well.  They can only go to stores that agree to be filmed in exchange for free TV time, so they send the fiancée's to places they can't hope to afford on their best day to get drama.

On ‎12‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 8:24 AM, SunnyBeBe said:

I thought that it's customary for the WIFE or her family to pay for the wedding. (Husband or his family pays for rehearsal dinner, groom's cake and groom's attendant's gifts.) So, with all her family's money, why aren't they covering the flowers, venue, etc.?  I must have missed it.  Oh, since none of her family is attending, what's the need to show off?  This couple is a perfect example of why I believe this couple and some others are set up by TLC just for the tv show.  No way they would have hooked up otherwise, imo. Do we even know for certain that these people are here under the guise they give and for the time period they give on the show?  It just has such a fakery vibe.  

Didn't Fernanda say that her mother could not attend the wedding due to no money for the trip?  Then, why not get a lower cost wedding gown, say $200. and use the rest to fly mother in for the wedding? 

In a first wedding, yes, the bride's family pays for it, traditionally.  This is a 2nd wedding for both.  It's usually on the couple the 2nd time around.  My parents ended up footing the bill for everything, including the rehearsal dinner, because my late in-laws never showed up for it, sticking my parents with the tab.

Fernanda said her mother could not get the visa needed to come over.  That's all that was really said, leaving the viewer to infer from there.  We don't know if it was lack of money, not enough filing time, etc.

19 hours ago, vintagesac69 said:

Actually, I think they left because Noon’s dad was very ill. His mom was an alcoholic and they were estranged for years, so there was nothing really keeping him here.

They hadn't fully moved back to Thailand the last time I recall seeing them.  They were spending extended amounts of time there, but could not be there permanently because of Noon's green card process.  They sounded like they were happy in the PNW.  There was a large Thai community there.

13 hours ago, Spike said:

I thought Steven said he had a wonderful dad who spent all sorts of time with him and he wanted to be like him.  His dad died when he was around 8?  So all this shouting was between the parents or just the mom?

He kind-of made it sound like that, but he could be idealizing his memories of his dad.  My husband does that.  He was not quite 9 when his dad died.  But when his therapist recently asked him to write down a specific good memory of his dad (ie: we went fishing when I was 7, or we built a birdhouse when I was in kindergarten - that kind of thing) - he couldn't do it.  Not that he didn't have good memories of his dad, but he couldn't get past just a general "good feeling" and nothing specific.  Talking to relatives over the year, I've been told his dad was a "good guy" by everyone, but he liked to drink and did so heavily (everyone did say he wasn't a staggering or abusive drunk, but still....) and that he was a pushover when it came to my late MIL, who was mean and abusive.  I feel for Steven, to a point.  My husband was brought up in an abusive household, and his emotional growth completely stopped around age 11-12.  Steven has zero coping skills, and he had this idealized picture in his head of what things would be like when he reached Russia, and it's NOTHING like he thought it would be, and he can't deal.  BUT.....I think he should go home, and come back when the baby isn't a newborn, and is on a schedule, and Olga has settled in.  And in the interim, get lots of counseling.

As for everyone freaking out over the cash bar:  I guess it must be where I live, because I've been to MANY receptions over the years with cash bars.  A non-cash bar is NOT the norm here.  We had a cash bar.  We put out one keg of beer that cost nothing for guests, and when that was kicked, it was gone.  We didn't charge the wedding party, and immediate family, but we had friends and more distant family that would have put us in to the poor house with the bar tab.

[zillabreeze]

20 hours ago, Rdh1314 said:

Yup...the 2 ( including her choice) looked like white sheets from the front. You could be right, and she'll actually have a different dress for her wedding. 

Jon is so hung up on showing off his child bride and the Bewbies that he will be expecting a stripper style gown.  Anything more modest and I wager we see a look of serious disappointment.  A verbal admonishment would not surprise me, either.

[Drogo]

57 minutes ago, Teriyaki Terror said:

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She's not awful, she's made all kinds of sacrifices to be with him.  And all she asks in return is that he give her the identical life she had before. (@sconstant)

Say that again out loud, slower, and actually listen to yourself.

Marrying someone doesn't mean you deserve or will receive the identical lifestyle. Let's call a spade a spade here. Leida is only in it to immigrate to the US. She's an opportunist just like the rest of them (minus Olga). 

The internet really needs a sarcasm font. 

 

45 minutes ago, funky-rat said:

What I didn't understand is why they were setting up a dance floor (which would then imply music would be needed) for TWENTY FIVE people.  The coordinator only mentioned appetizer/finger foods, so I am assuming there is no actual meal being served.  I'm OK with that - I'm from a largely rural area and have been to many receptions held in fire halls, where people bring dishes to share, and they were all fun, and well done.  I know Leida would poo-poo that, but it's realistic.

One of the best weddings I've ever been to was at the VFW post and catered by the bride and groom's moms/grandmas/aunties.  No beef, so seafood.. very frugal, very delicious.  Guests were asked to BYOB encouraged to share.  First time I ever tried George Dickel 

Leida will poo-poo anything <300K but a little rain must fall on everyone's lives.  

[brillia79]

7 minutes ago, Drogo said:

The internet really needs a sarcasm font. 

I thought it was comic sans.

[funky-rat]

20 minutes ago, Drogo said:

One of the best weddings I've ever been to was at the VFW post and catered by the bride and groom's moms/grandmas/aunties.  No beef, so seafood.. very frugal, very delicious.  Guests were asked to BYOB encouraged to share.  First time I ever tried George Dickel 

Leida will poo-poo anything <300K but a little rain must fall on everyone's lives.  

Ours was at the American Legion.  My dad was commander at the time, and we got the hall for free, and food ingredients for cost.  And we went simple.  We had cold cuts, macaroni and potato salads, macaroni and cheese, and lots of snack type foods.  We did have a meat, but I'm embarrassed to say I can't recall what it was - I think it was either chicken, or hamburger bbq.  That's pretty typical reception fare here.  I've also been to many pot luck receptions, and they are so fun.  There's such a sense of family and community at those types of receptions.  Everyone works together to make a nice reception for the bride and groom.  The Legion had a fantastic ballroom with a gorgeous old inlaid floor, and really nice lighting.  It was all done in the late 40's after WWII, and it has this great old-school style.  It also had a huge bar with lots of seating, so we were able to eventually move tables out of the way and people could still sit somewhere.  My cousin had her reception at a fancy hotel in the city where she and her husband went to college (and met).  It was nice - don't get me wrong - but the fancy buffet put a lot of relatives off.  Same with the things like Brie, and coconut chicken at the cocktail hour.  A relative half-joked about cocktail weenies, but that's more the kind-of thing people are used to, and if that makes us low-brow, then so be it, I guess.

[jenifaohjenny]

On 12/2/2018 at 9:31 PM, Hannigram said:

Does anyone here believe her family spent 300,000 US dollars for her first wedding. Asians are known for having a lot of wedding guests but 2,000 is huge even by Asian standards. 

Not even a little...

[LGGirl]

On 12/3/2018 at 1:24 PM, Elizzikra said:

I wouldn't count on that. I have no idea what her financial picture looks like but it could be very limited. She doesn't appear to be working. I have no idea what her husband did or whether he left life insurance, a pension or any sort of retirement savings. She might not have any retirement savings of her own. She could well be disabled but not "on disability" which is hard to get. That leaves her with social security which is often not much, and Medicare for her healthcare (which may not cover all her medical expenses). 

On top of that, Debbie is relatively young. At 66, she could easily live another 20 - 30 years. If her means are limited now, she has to figure out how whatever money she has is going to stretch to cover the remainder of her lifespan.

I liked her on the live episode. I've read somewhere on here that Colt helps her financially which, whatever else I may think of him, her or them, I think is lovely. It's also very common in other cultures, for younger generations to take care of their elders. I'm not convinced that Debbie has the financial resources to live independently of Colt and I'm almost certain that she would experience a marked decrease in her lifestyle and quality of life if she were living on her own. 

I can't stand Larissa (not a huge fan of Colt either). Colt definitely has myriad faults but Larissa is greedy and selfish. She has no second thoughts at all about kicking her future mother-in-law to the curb because she thinks she will have easier access to Colt's money if Debbie isn't there. Of the three of them, the only one I'd want to be around for any length of time is Debbie. And if I still ate red meat, I'd happily eat her beef stew.

Yes, Debbie is young and probably quite capable of getting a job.  She can easily support herself.  Plus there are many senior living communities in Vegas that are very affordable.   They don’t need to live together.  

Both my parents helped take care of their mothers financially.  They did it living 3000 miles away.  Colt doesn’t need to live with Debbie to help support her.  

Living with Debbie has nothing to do with supporting her financially.   That is just an excuse.   Both are way too emotionally dependent on each other.  Debbie fulfills all of Colt’s needs but one which is why Larissa is there.   I thought Colt was going to cry when he told his mother that he was considering finding a place of his own.  Most men would be excited to move out with his fiancé to a place of their own.   Right?   

Being a mother of adult children, I can tell you that Colt’s relationship with his mother rests on Debbie’s shoulders.   She has worked over Colt for years to make her his number one.  Many times I have had to remind my kids that they need to live their own lives.  I’d bet Debbie has never done that with Colt.   She has made him her substitute husband.   It’s wrong.  And it’s emotional abuse.  

[gingerella]

1 hour ago, funky-rat said:

On top of that, Debbie is relatively young. At 66, she could easily live another 20 - 30 years. If her means are limited now, she has to figure out how whatever money she has is going to stretch to cover the remainder of her lifespan.

I liked her on the live episode. I've read somewhere on here that Colt helps her financially which, whatever else I may think of him, her or them, I think is lovely. It's also very common in other cultures, for younger generations to take care of their elders. I'm not convinced that Debbie has the financial resources to live independently of Colt and I'm almost certain that she would experience a marked decrease in her lifestyle and quality of life if she were living on her own. 

I can't stand Larissa (not a huge fan of Colt either). Colt definitely has myriad faults but Larissa is greedy and selfish. She has no second thoughts at all about kicking her future mother-in-law to the curb because she thinks she will have easier access to Colt's money if Debbie isn't there. Of the three of them, the only one I'd want to be around for any length of time is Debbie. And if I still ate red meat, I'd happily eat her beef stew.

I have mixed feelings about Mother Coltee. She does seem passive aggressive, for example, "telling on" Larissa like she'd been a naughty little girl for wanting to buy a pleather couch and surprise Coltee. Those things wont endear her to Larissa. That said, I dont see Coltee doing anything yet that is catering to Larissa, he just temporarily appeases her like taking her shopping for a new apartment that they cannot afford (producer BS). However, Coltee has lived with Mother Coltee for 30 something years now and this is what she raised - a youngish man who eats his feelings, gets obese, takes off just enough weight to go to Brazil and shop for a wife, then chooses the most obnoxious, awful person he could find, and brings her home despite having reservations about her even before she got on a plane (see: scene where he eats his feelings in a giant croissant). The way I see it, both Coltee and Mother Coltee brought this upon themselves. When you use your grown ass son as a stand in partner and dont push him to grow and seek out his own peers and a mate, you get this. Debbie is reaping what she done sowed, IMO of course.

[Mothra]

22 minutes ago, LGGirl said:

Yes, Debbie is young and probably quite capable of getting a job.  She can easily support herself.  Plus there are many senior living communities in Vegas that are very affordable.   

Ah, youth!

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 12/3/2018 at 1:11 PM, usernameG said:

Every conversation that Kalani has with Ansuelo is a trap for him. She purposely sets him up to fail with her family because she's a giant asshole. I think this is the couple I hate the most this season.  That's saying a lot because I really can't stand Leida and greasy headed Eric.

Completely on board with Kalani being enemy #1 this season she is just awful. I think it's a whole cultish Stockholm syndrome thing with that family tiptoeing around Father Kalani and everything they do is to survive him and his rule over each one of them. 

Steven also, was abandoned by his parents or estranged. This anger is all deep stuff that Olga cannot fathom. And WHY with that accent do people form the mid Atlantic botch those letter L's OWE-GA OWE GA ugggggggggggggggggggggg   He is annoying. 

I laughed my ass off when Eric said he CHOOSES to live frugally. Keep telling yourself that buddy we all know you are living below poverty level we just don't know why yet.

Fernanda's pretty Meghan Markle dress was WAY too big. Wasn't my favorite. 

Ashley and Giving the D? IDK and IDC. Those website comments were awful, disgusting and harsh though. Vile.

Larissa's saddle bags are going to need a bigger couch! Coltee looked 100x more handsome (hey there was no where to go but up) than usual driving in those aviators for one hot second. Runs. Hides...............

[Empress1]

2 hours ago, LGGirl said:

She has worked over Colt for years to make her his number one.  Many times I have had to remind my kids that they need to live their own lives.  I’d bet Debbie has never done that with Colt.   She has made him her substitute husband.   It’s wrong.  And it’s emotional abuse.  

It's a specific kind of emotional abuse called covert incest and I agree with you that that's what's going on. Colt and Debbie fulfill each others' emotional needs. I don't think it was intentional on Debbie's part - I don't think she's rubbing her hands together cartoon-villain-style all "My son belongs with me and I will slaughter anyone who gets in my way," but it wouldn't surprise me at all if she'd dropped a lot of "You're all I've got left!" guilt on him over the years and treated him as a friend more than a son. My ex's mother leaned on him in a similar way (he used the words "covert incest" to describe it; he learned them in the copious therapy he needed as an adult to process his nightmare of a childhood) after his father died when he was a kid. His mother was never sexually abusive but she was very emotionally abusive and sometimes physically abusive. He got out by moving out after high school and never looking back - I'm not even sure he went to her funeral (she died before I knew him). He has siblings and they had each other, and there were also relatives who would scoop them up when things with mom got really bad (like when she was institutionalized; she had a mental illness). The difference is that he and his siblings recognized that their mother was leaning on them in a way that was wrong, and they took pains to distance themselves from her once they were able to. Colt doesn't, isn't, and won't. 

Edited December 5, 2018 by Empress1

[Kangatush]

I'm pretty sure that people are having such a reaction to the cash bar because it's a maximum of 25 guests.  It was like Colt balking at $50 a head for 10 people. 

Producers can push all they want, but it's their choice how fancy they want the weddings.

I hate to use Chantel as a positive example, but she and Pedro had a tiny, but not cold, wedding here, and saved the bigger ceremony until there could be guests there from both sides.

[eatsleep]

On 12/3/2018 at 7:12 PM, Stacee said:

I really don't understand what her problem is. Is it Fernanda's age? If so, would she be fine with him marrying someone who is his age? And why was she making an issue out of him saying he would not marry, only to then find he had proposed? I guess I don't understand; parents know how fickle their kids can be. They change their mind or opinions in the blink of an eye. I just don't get why she's so anguished over this; the man is 32. He has a career. He's out on his own. He's in another state. He's living his own life. I learned long ago that our kids choose who they want and sometimes if they are going to make a mistake it is ultimately their's to make*. Nothing makes them run faster into the arms of someone than you saying you don't like their mate. She should let this one go. 

I do agree Fernanda is too young to marry but she's here and they seem hellbent on being together. Plus I don't really think she gives a damn about Fernanda's well being; I think she just wants to control her son.

I think it's mainly just bc Fernanda is Mexican. If Fernanda were a 19 y/o coming from England, Sweden or even Spain or Argentina, it wouldn't be nearly the problem that it is. But of course the age difference and quick, covert engagement are issues, too.

 

4 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Fernanda said her mother could not get the visa needed to come over.  That's all that was really said, leaving the viewer to infer from there.  We don't know if it was lack of money, not enough filing time, etc.

I really hope it's not about money bc Jonathan is on record for having paid for Fernanda's breast implants, Fernanda's college tuition, Fernnanda's Jeep, Fernanda's wedding dress, a new house, and probably other expenses. And if he wouldn't cover the cost of her mother visiting when it's supposedly so important to Fernanada, he's either a tool or she she's exaggerating how important it is to her.

[gonecrackers]

24 minutes ago, eatsleep said:

I really hope it's not about money bc Jonathan is on record for having paid for Fernanda's breast implants, Fernanda's college tuition, Fernnanda's Jeep, Fernanda's wedding dress, a new house, and probably other expenses.

Sugar Daddy - I'd say it's not a bad deal for her, except, well, it's Jon.

Edited December 5, 2018 by gonecrackers

[lucy711]

5 hours ago, Raja said:

No, she knows even if she was a kept woman while "working" in Japan she has to understand exchange rates and local cost of living

But what is financially best for then  is not best for the show. From the first season of 90DF on the other message board forward the snark tended to come to an end when the dress and ceremony episode was reached. We are their wedding guest

Ironically, the wedding ceremony is usually my least favorite part of the show because I think that the majority of them shouldn't be getting married!!

[charmed1]

2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

And WHY with that accent do people form the mid Atlantic botch those letter L's OWE-GA OWE GA ugggggggggggggggggggggg   He is annoying. 

Hey! We can agree that Steven is a douchey little prick without dragging my home region into this lol.

[politichick]

3 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Completely on board with Kalani being enemy #1 this season she is just awful. I think it's a whole cultish Stockholm syndrome thing with that family tiptoeing around Father Kalani and everything they do is to survive him and his rule over each one of them. 

Steven also, was abandoned by his parents or estranged. This anger is all deep stuff that Olga cannot fathom. And WHY with that accent do people form the mid Atlantic botch those letter L's OWE-GA OWE GA ugggggggggggggggggggggg   He is annoying. 

I laughed my ass off when Eric said he CHOOSES to live frugally. Keep telling yourself that buddy we all know you are living below poverty level we just don't know why yet.

Fernanda's pretty Meghan Markle dress was WAY too big. Wasn't my favorite. 

Ashley and Giving the D? IDK and IDC. Those website comments were awful, disgusting and harsh though. Vile.

Larissa's saddle bags are going to need a bigger couch! Coltee looked 100x more handsome (hey there was no where to go but up) than usual driving in those aviators for one hot second. Runs. Hides...............

Stephen's father died and he remembers him fondly. I thought he said that the mother kicked him out because he had a bad attitude/behavior or something like that. I really hope that Olga finds a way to rid herself pf him. He's too needy, desperately needs therapy and did he also say he dropped out of high school?

I don't get the Leida/Eric pairing. She must have been really desperate to get to the U.S. or really unappealing to other men to have made that choice.

[Honey]

8 hours ago, CSS.MD said:

Frankly I’d be more broken up about having to pay for my booze at the cash bar.

I've seen this  mentioned over and over, about it being terrible to have a cash bar.  Can someone explain why this is so bad?  It's not like people are being forced to buy a drink.  If they don't want to pay for alcohol, can't they just not drink?  Serious question.

[Gobi]

7 minutes ago, Honey said:

I've seen this  mentioned over and over, about it being terrible to have a cash bar.  Can someone explain why this is so bad?  It's not like people are being forced to buy a drink.  If they don't want to pay for alcohol, can't they just not drink?  Serious question.

Cash bars are pretty common where I am. Keeps the cost down for the newlyweds and acts as a bit of a check on over indulging. May be a liability issue. Possible that if the couple pays for alcohol, they might be found liable under the dram shop act, along with the facility. (The dram shop act makes those who served alcohol to an intoxicated person liable for damages/injuries caused as a result, to the drunk or others.)

[Honey]

4 minutes ago, Gobi said:

Cash bars are pretty common where I am. Keeps the cost down for the newlyweds and acts as a bit of a check on over indulging. May be a liability issue. Possible that if the couple pays for alcohol, they might be found liable under the dram shop act, along with the facility. (The dram shop act makes those who served alcohol to an intoxicated person liable for damages/injuries caused as a result, to the drunk or others.)

Right.  Another argument for having a cash bar.  Drinking isn't mandatory, if you don't want to pay for booze, don't drink.

 

Thank you.

[Spike]

9 minutes ago, Honey said:

Right.  Another argument for having a cash bar.  Drinking isn't mandatory, if you don't want to pay for booze, don't drink.

 

Thank you.

Maybe it’s regional, but the weddings I attend always have open bars.  You still have to tip the bartender though.

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

I think some where off in the distance I hear the faint whine of "Its not faiiirrrrrr" coming from the desert of Albuquerque as yet another unused Kleenex is trumped by fingers.

 

Oh, sorry - got off track there for a sec - carry on 

[iwasish]

2 hours ago, Honey said:

I've seen this  mentioned over and over, about it being terrible to have a cash bar.  Can someone explain why this is so bad?  It's not like people are being forced to buy a drink.  If they don't want to pay for alcohol, can't they just not drink?  Serious question.

Normally I wouldn’t care, not much of a drinker. But I’d need an open bar to get me to attend Leida and Eric’s wedding. 

[Granny58]

9 hours ago, Teriyaki Terror said:

Say that again out loud, slower, and actually listen to yourself.

Marrying someone doesn't mean you deserve or will receive the identical lifestyle. Let's call a spade a spade here. Leida is only in it to immigrate to the US. She's an opportunist just like the rest of them (minus Olga). 

I think it was meant as a joke/sarcasm.  I hope so anyway.

[Granny58]

8 hours ago, funky-rat said:

Ours was at the American Legion.  My dad was commander at the time, and we got the hall for free, and food ingredients for cost.  And we went simple.  We had cold cuts, macaroni and potato salads, macaroni and cheese, and lots of snack type foods.  We did have a meat, but I'm embarrassed to say I can't recall what it was - I think it was either chicken, or hamburger bbq.  That's pretty typical reception fare here.  I've also been to many pot luck receptions, and they are so fun.  There's such a sense of family and community at those types of receptions.  Everyone works together to make a nice reception for the bride and groom.  The Legion had a fantastic ballroom with a gorgeous old inlaid floor, and really nice lighting.  It was all done in the late 40's after WWII, and it has this great old-school style.  It also had a huge bar with lots of seating, so we were able to eventually move tables out of the way and people could still sit somewhere.  My cousin had her reception at a fancy hotel in the city where she and her husband went to college (and met).  It was nice - don't get me wrong - but the fancy buffet put a lot of relatives off.  Same with the things like Brie, and coconut chicken at the cocktail hour.  A relative half-joked about cocktail weenies, but that's more the kind-of thing people are used to, and if that makes us low-brow, then so be it, I guess.

sounds familiar.  was this in NEPA?

[CSS.MD]

9 hours ago, brillia79 said:

I thought it was comic sans.

LMAO!

3 hours ago, Honey said:

I've seen this  mentioned over and over, about it being terrible to have a cash bar.  Can someone explain why this is so bad?  It's not like people are being forced to buy a drink.  If they don't want to pay for alcohol, can't they just not drink?  Serious question.

It was a joke.

This is a snark forum.

The best part of this show now is the online snark because apparently this season’s group of people are so insufferable and disturbing to watch, it’s become hard to watch without the snark.

Serious answer. If my best friend got married and wanted me to chip in, I’d do it (and I do have friends who are in financial trouble—they are wonderful human beings, and that’s all I care about who I socialise with).

But this is Eric and Leida, we’re talking. They are not my best friends. They are horrible people. They make me want to drink.

Therefore, it would be unfair for me (if I were invited) to have to pay for a drink at their wedding.

You simply cannot expect a person to be present at their wedding without needing a drink. Cheers! 🥃

[Jennifersdc]

Wow - Steven’s an asshole. Last episode confirmed it (Sharp Entertainment elves or not).

I firmly stand by my original statement - he’s an asshole. Olga apparently grew up in a Russian orphanage for Sweet Baby Jesus sake.

She knows a lot more of abandonment, neglect and hardship issues then most of us (or Steven) do.

Back to way earlier post that was spot on. If Leida has all this obsequious money - where is the Hermes, LV, Gucci, Prada etc...

[Honey]

26 minutes ago, CSS.MD said:

LMAO!

It was a joke.

This is a snark forum.

The best part of this show now is the online snark because apparently this season’s group of people are so insufferable and disturbing to watch, it’s become hard to watch without the snark.

Serious answer. If my best friend got married and wanted me to chip in, I’d do it (and I do have friends who are in financial trouble—they are wonderful human beings, and that’s all I care about who I socialise with).

But this is Eric and Leida, we’re talking. They are not my best friends. They are horrible people. They make me want to drink.

Therefore, it would be unfair for me (if I were invited) to have to pay for a drink at their wedding.

You simply cannot expect a person to be present at their wedding without needing a drink. Cheers! 🥃

I know it's a snark forum, but I really had no idea it was a joke.  I thought people really thought it was bad to have a cash bar if there were only 25 people.

[Kangatush]

6 minutes ago, Honey said:

I know it's a snark forum, but I really had no idea it was a joke.  I thought people really thought it was bad to have a cash bar if there were only 25 people.

I think it's silly to have a cash bar for 25 people.  I'd rather see fewer flowers and more booze.  But I'm also with those who said liquor would be required to attend that particular wedding.