S14.E05: Week 5: Las Vegas, Nevada

[Starlight925]

Wills showed poise and patience.  I couldn't have written a better way for him to handle himself.  Straight from the handbook of "Stay Calm while your opponent implodes".

Jordan....poor, kind, incredibly vapid Jordan...... While I do think that he handled himself better than David, he's shallower than a kitchen sink.  I empathize with him, growing up with a mother who has mental illnesses, and I give him props for the reveal, but I wonder how his family felt about it?  

David's vocal fry was about to get the best of me.  I thank Becca for escorting him out.

Poor Venmo John never had a chance against these more extroverted guys.  Crybaby Chris (who needs therapy to deal with his father-abandonment issues) took too much energy from the group, and John was trying to be a nice guy and stay out of that drama.

[Jax7917]

If the producers want to pick who stays each season for comic relief or to ensure that there's drama, they should at least instruct the bachelor/ette not to roll their eyes and look grossed out by the thought of the person. 

Becca's doing a pretty good job handling herself. She' s probably gonna go down in the Bachelor books as a Desiree type bachelorette. Very nice, sweet, and forgettable. 

[Kendra143]

I think Becca has a good handle on what these guys are about. They’re all pretty out there so they SHOULD be interested in finding what she’s like and what she’s interested in. She shouldn’t have to tell them to show some interest in her. 

[Sharonana]

9 hours ago, backformore said:

More like over 80, please!   

My parents are over 80 and they can't stand him.  I just turned 60 and have never, ever been excited by Wayne Newton! He's gotten some really bad plastic surgery, and his voice is so gone! Yuck!

[Wings]

12 hours ago, bosawks said:

I might marry Jordan if he ironed my clothes.

He was ironing jeans!  Not good. 

[ECM1231]

9 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I didn't really notice Wills' plaid suit, but wasn't he wearing a floral jumper on the group date?

That was pooper Lincoln wearing that crazy outfit. I thought it was shorts and shirt but no matter. It was hideous.

[Mabinogia]

The whole time with Chris/Wills I was screaming "GO AWAY CHRIS! No one wants you there". What a moron. Poor Becca. I'm 99.9% convinced the producers told her to give him the rose. There is no way that was her idea. She seemed more like she wanted to get as far away from him as possible. I do wish she had spoken up during the Wills/Chris confrontation that really wasn't much of one since Wills is actually a mature human being and handled himself beautifully.

Chris is totally the guy who buys you a drink and expects you to go home with him. He's up there with Lincoln now.

I will actually miss Jordan but think this is best for him since it feels like he was going to be relentlessly bullied by the meatheads in the house. Hopefully there are a lot of mirrors in Paradise, which I'm assuming he will be going to. He seems as if he was put on this earth to go to on Bach in Paradise.

I can't say it enough. Becca has the worst taste in men. I still like her, but girl cannot seem to get away from picking the worst of a mostly bad bunch.

So far most of my frontrunners are gone. John, Christon, Clay (thought that wasn't her, but still, he's gone) now Jordan, who I wouldn't have picked but he was fun and harmless.  Though booting them both on the two on one made her my hero. All I really have left now is Wills. Hang in there Wills! I can't wait to see what awesome suit you wear next week!

[angelamh66]

In defense of the camels, I rode camels in the Australian Outback and it was a fantastic and unforgettable experience. However, outside of Vegas - probably not so memorable.  The dates were incredibly weird this episode. 

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, backformore said:

Jordan seems so sincere about his profession, about his beauty regimen, it almost makes me feel sorry for him. He's so incredibly proud of being able to make faces for a camera! 

I don't really see anything wrong with being proud of being a model tbh.

When Becca said there was no there there with Jordan I couldn't help but think there's no there there with her either. I mean her answer to his 'what do you do on the weekend' question wasn't exactly riveting. I think she has more in common with Jordan than she's willing to admit.

I did absolutely love her leaving David in the dust though. Amazing moment.

It is gonna be hard for me to get through the eps without Jordan. I watch for the comedy and it's gone now.

Edited June 26, 2018 by peachmangosteen

[LuvMyShows]

12 hours ago, LBS said:

Chris is every ‘nice guy’ who thinks you owe him something because he bought you drinks twice.   I got more bad vibes off him than Lincoln which speaks horribly of this season.  Poor Becca

The part that really showed his true colors, is that the very first words out of his mouth when he got to sit down with Becca, were something like "You owe me about 50,000 kisses."  That is the attitude he chooses to put forth during his valuable discussion time?  Plus remember that while talking to the guys beforehand as he was melting down, he said something like "She needs to prove herself to me."   We've seen guys that were cocky, like Jordan, but this was a different level of entitled and delusional.  When he was giving that spiel about how the best went last during the singing competition, and he is the frontrunner now, and he didn't need to make time to talk to Becca during the party because she was saving the best for last again, it was just bizarre.

 

10 hours ago, TheFinalRose said:

And for sure they had to reshoot the ending where Becca announces they are off to Richmond, VA, because you know when they first heard that they were all like, "what?" then, "why?"

We're from the DC metro area, about 90 minutes outside Richmond.  Virginia's motto (popular years ago) was "Virginia is for Lovers".   When Becca said something about going south to somewhere known for love, my son said "Virginia?"  I didn't even pay that any attention, because I thought it was so ridiculous that of all the places this show could go, they would choose Virginia...aaannd yet, they're going to Richmond [stunned silence].

10 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Honestly, I would watch a whole show of Willis just reacting to the ridiculous shit the other guys are getting up to. Like, he is actually amazed every day how many guys are willing to make total asses of themselves on television. 

Pour out a glass in the harsh desert sun for Zoolander and the chicken man.

Although I don't find Wills that attractive, and he seems way too low-key and low-energy for me, I have to give him mad props for how he handled the Chris-cut-in drama, which he basically transformed into a no-drama.

Also props to Jordan for admitting that the Zoolander stereotype was true!

4 hours ago, betha said:

Can you imagine how hot and sweaty they must have been, riding camels in the desert? Then they get into a nice, refreshing, 104 degree hot tub? Probably with little camel hairs and dust floating around in it. With a nice view of a chain link fence and the pleasant smell of camel manure. You couldn’t pay me to go on that date. 

 

After they announced about going to Richmond, and with this hot-tub-and-desert scenario still in my head, I said out loud "The producers must hate Becca."

Edited June 26, 2018 by LuvMyShows
corrected "50,000 drinks' to '50,000 kisses'

[Starlight925]

Even after all the drama, after Chris got the rose, he still made some comment that she'll have to meet him halfway, or do her part, or something idiotic like that.  This is a show about competition for one person.  I'd have expected him to say that he will use this next week to prove himself to her.  Wish I hadn't deleted the DVR recording so I could get back his exact words.

Raising a glass of wine (or coffee in this case) to Chris' hopeful departure next week.

[fib]

I need to break down all the ways Chris was AWFUL. 

1.  He shit talked Becca and acted like he was going to go home after not trying to talk to her on the group date. 
2. He said, "You owe me like 50000 kisses" for not talking to him on the group date. NO ONE OWES YOU SEXUAL FAVORS, Asshole. 
3. He came to get more time, and asked Becca, and she said no.  He did not respect her answer so he asked again, again she said no.  So he asked Wills. RESPECT HER DECISION, Asshole!
4. Wills gracefully made clear he would give him two minutes.  He did not use his time wisely.  
5. He acted aggrieved when Wills returned on the agreed upon timeline.  And acted like WILLS was the one out of line.  NOPE, you're out of order, Asshole. 
6. When forced to stick to the agreement, he played the victim of Wills to the guys who hadnt had any time yet, and trashed talked Wills.  NOPE.  Wills is perfect, you big jerk!
7. There was a very gross  racial undertone to the "you should do what I want and give me more time" power play with Wills.  It made me super uncomfortable.  
8. The neckline of his "beard" is way too high and defined. 

The only good that came out this? Seeing Wills shine, and seeing Wills literally Shake-it-Off before sitting back down with Becca.  I will tolerate a lot to see the Taylor Swift in my favorite contestant.  

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

Plus remember that while talking to the guys beforehand as he was melting down, he said something like "She needs to prove herself to me."

That cracked me up because, no she doesn't dude, she's got twenty something other guys to choose from. She doesn't even need to give you the time of day if she isn't into it.

44 minutes ago, fib said:

I need to break down all the ways Chris was AWFUL. 

1.  He shit talked Becca and acted like he was going to go home after not trying to talk to her on the group date. 
2. He said, "You owe me like 50000 kisses" for not talking to him on the group date. NO ONE OWES YOU SEXUAL FAVORS, Asshole. 
3. He came to get more time, and asked Becca, and she said no.  He did not respect her answer so he asked again, again she said no.  So he asked Wills. RESPECT HER DECISION, Asshole!
4. Wills gracefully made clear he would give him two minutes.  He did not use his time wisely.  
5. He acted aggrieved when Wills returned on the agreed upon timeline.  And acted like WILLS was the one out of line.  NOPE, you're out of order, Asshole. 
6. When forced to stick to the agreement, he played the victim of Wills to the guys who hadnt had any time yet, and trashed talked Wills.  NOPE.  Wills is perfect, you big jerk!
7. There was a very gross  racial undertone to the "you should do what I want and give me more time" power play with Wills.  It made me super uncomfortable.  
8. The neckline of his "beard" is way too high and defined. 

The only good that came out this? Seeing Wills shine, and seeing Wills literally Shake-it-Off before sitting back down with Becca.  I will tolerate a lot to see the Taylor Swift in my favorite contestant.  

Excellent breakdown of the horror that is Chris.

[JenE4]

35 minutes ago, fib said:

I need to break down all the ways Chris was AWFUL. 

1.  He shit talked Becca and acted like he was going to go home after not trying to talk to her on the group date. 
2. He said, "You owe me like 50000 kisses" for not talking to him on the group date. NO ONE OWES YOU SEXUAL FAVORS, Asshole. 
3. He came to get more time, and asked Becca, and she said no.  He did not respect her answer so he asked again, again she said no.  So he asked Wills. RESPECT HER DECISION, Asshole!
4. Wills gracefully made clear he would give him two minutes.  He did not use his time wisely.  
5. He acted aggrieved when Wills returned on the agreed upon timeline.  And acted like WILLS was the one out of line.  NOPE, you're out of order, Asshole. 
6. When forced to stick to the agreement, he played the victim of Wills to the guys who hadnt had any time yet, and trashed talked Wills.  NOPE.  Wills is perfect, you big jerk!
7. There was a very gross  racial undertone to the "you should do what I want and give me more time" power play with Wills.  It made me super uncomfortable.  
8. The neckline of his "beard" is way too high and defined. 

The only good that came out this? Seeing Wills shine, and seeing Wills literally Shake-it-Off before sitting back down with Becca.  I will tolerate a lot to see the Taylor Swift in my favorite contestant.  

 Slow clap. Whistle. Standing ovation. Bravo, Fib! Bravo!

This behavior DEFINITELY gives some context to “I tried to reach out to my dad, and he didn’t even read my letter.” It would typically NEVER dawn on me to try to blame the child for a parent abandoning him—and what kind of parent would ignore their child’s plea for a relationship? But seeing how off the wall Chris acted about Becca not persuing HIM to his level of satisfaction, I’m going to give Dad the benefit of the doubt here! Jesus, if he acts like this toward Becca after ONE DATE, can you imagine how he must have reacted toward his dad after feeling abandoned?? I was wondering at the time how he even knew his dad didn’t read the letter, and now I’m thinking it’s because he followed him around for days skulking in the bushes, jumping out in front of his supermarket shopping cart... This letter was probably scrawled in blood.

[eyelash]

11 hours ago, TheFinalRose said:

Becca's clothes were soooo bad. That black camisole top at Wayne "Fig" Newton's? The white tank and overalls for her lame camel ride? There were some more bad ones but these stuck out. I saw a snippet somewhere about her stylist and he is some older guy who needs to get the boot. He's terrible. Can't they find a young hip stylist in L.A.? Couldn't she wear some of those Rachel Zoe clothes she got on Arie's date?

Colton is a big faker. Everything he says seems calculated and staged.  He bugs.  However, this episode goes to Wills for making the best "is this guy for real?" faces at Crybaby Chris and for wearing his awesome plaid suit. Also, I LOVED it when Chris said "Can I interrupt?" and Becca said, "No." Haha. I can watch that over and over.

And for sure they had to reshoot the ending where Becca announces they are off to Richmond, VA, because you know when they first heard that they were all like, "what?" then, "why?"

So glad to see others agree about her wardrobe!  The styles have been lacking (that horrible satin robe dress and the initial Vegas outfit) but the color palette is awful.  Her styles apparently thinks she looks good in dried blood red, mushroom and black.  The sequined dress last night that changed colors with the light didn't translate well over my TV...was it black with dried blood colored stripes?   The pink dress at the end of the group date was nothing special but at least it was a departure from the usual dour colors.  

[fib]

2 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

 This behavior DEFINITELY gives some context to “I tried to reach out to my dad, and he didn’t even read my letter.” It would typically NEVER dawn on me to try to blame the child for a parent abandoning him—and what kind of parent would ignore their child’s plea for a relationship? But seeing how off the wall Chris acted about Becca not persuing HIM to his level of satisfaction, I’m going to give Dad the benefit of the doubt here! Jesus, if he acts like this toward Becca after ONE DATE, can you imagine how he must have reacted toward his dad after feeling abandoned?? I was wondering at the time how he even knew his dad didn’t read the letter, and now I’m thinking it’s because he followed him around for days skulking in the bushes, jumping out in front of his supermarket shopping cart... This letter was probably scrawled in blood.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Evil.  And funny.  Which is why I love you!

[Mabinogia]

1 minute ago, JenE4 said:

I was wondering at the time how he even knew his dad didn’t read the letter, and now I’m thinking it’s because he followed him around for days skulking in the bushes, jumping out in front of his supermarket shopping cart... This letter was probably scrawled in blood.

hahaha, Can't unsee this now. And yeah, I could see "he never responded" but, "he never even read the letter" seems...excessive. Maybe he did read it and didn't want to get drawn back into Chris' obsessive drama. Most troubling with Chris was his inability to accept an answer he didn't want (go away, no I won't talk to you now, your time is up you self centered moron (all paraphrased)). Well, that or his belief that she owed him anything.

[Token]

I think Chris said that the letter was returned to him unopened, that's how he knew it wasn't read.  I don't blame dad for not wanting to engage with Chris, for all your good reasons pointed out above!

Did the show actually vet any of the bachelors this season?  I feel like the only reason Becca has some sane bachelors to choose from is just from pure luck that some normal snuck in along with the batshit crazies.  And Colton just needs to open up and embrace his homosexuality because that man is a wound up bundle of closetedness just bursting to run free!  Embrace the rainbow Colton!!

Bye Jordan, I'll miss your entertainment!

[TheFinalRose]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

The part that really showed his true colors, is that the very first words out of his mouth when he got to sit down with Becca, were something like "You owe me about 50,000 kisses." 

Oh and Becca picked up on this right away. He was done, right then, and he knew it. He saw it in her eyes, that's what sent him spiraling.  I love that Becca cannot hide her disgust.... probably because she was so raw and vulnerable from the whole Aire debacle. Remember that even though the breakup happened in Jan she had to relive it all when it aired, go through the whole After The Final Rose appearance and then she started shooting pretty soon after that. I think unlike other leads she has a very low tipping point for dealing with crap, whether producer-driven or dude-driven. 

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Wills gracefully made clear he would give him two minutes.  He did not use his time wisely. 

He was in total meltdown stage. Nothing he said was going to make sense. I think he was going to sit next to Becca until she said it was okay and she wasn't going there.  Wills is awesome ... he'll make a great parent with his calm handling of temper tantrums. 

[riff-raff]

This season has been a bit slow for me.  I think one of the main reasons is that Becca just isn't an overtly sensual, emotive person.   She's pretty much the opposite of a flirt, and she is struggling to find and convey a connection with nearly all the men.   You can tell she hates having to kiss and cuddle with multiple men, and has a terrible poker face when she's just not feeling the guy.   She does not have the inclination or ability to string them along, and as result there is a disconnect between her and her "guys."  She also is not a "girly girl" who loves the dress-up, make-up and ultra-feminine trappings, so she's not reveling in the fairy tale aspects of this experience either.  

None of these things are bad things and I don't think she is a cold person, but just naturally guarded and selective.   My guess is that she is probably a very warm and down-to-earth person once you really got to know her, and would make an excellent partner for the right man, but this show is not a good format for her and she is coming across as distant and awkward.   She reminds me a bit of Jennifer Schefft, except that she is trying harder to play ball a make a good show for the producers. 

[LBS]

@fib  excellent post!  Bravo indeed!

I’m going to miss our Golden Labdordoodle* Jordan.  I loved that he excitedly ran to the Jeep while calling ‘dibs on shotgun ‘

*Golden Retrievers are smarter 

[Mocking Bird]

I feel sorry for, and will miss sweet, awkward, clueless Jordan.  He was the only break in this batch of humorless dullards.

[NoWhammies]

One of my favorite things to watch happened last night, and I have to thank the editors for giving me what I feel is always the perfect moment of wrong reasons TV.....I LOVE it when some idiot corrects someone's grammar incorrectly.

David: "Dude...you're being disingenuous!"

Jordan: (Under his breath): "disingenuine." 

 

Perfect moments seldom happen on television, so thanks, TB.

Also, good-bye sweet, gentle John. I'm sure you have some glaring faults, but they weren't shown, so you were my pick. 

[Token]

My god, Chris really is self-involved, isn't he?  His conversations and constant talking were all about me, me, me.  This is what I want.  What about what Becca wants, dude?  Because those nasty looks she's giving you?  They're only going to get worse as you blather on about you and what you want.  You're only there because a producer told Becca to keep you, for your drama.  What a narcissist.

[tennisgurl]

I ended up feeling kind of bad for Jordan. He is pretty upfront about how superficial he is about himself, and theres something actually kind of endearing about seriously he takes modeling, and his beauty regiment. I dont think he is actually a bad guy, just...simple. He could come off as selfish and dickish towards the other guys, but at least he came off as more clueless and awkward than actually mean. I knew he and Becca wouldn't work (she is way too outdoorsy and hometown for them to stick it out long term), but I will miss him and his Ken Doll ways.

I wish John could have stuck around. He seemed like a really kind person with a good head on his shoulders. Sucks that he got kind of overshadowed by the drama queens. 

Edited June 26, 2018 by tennisgurl

[saber5055]

2 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

We're from the DC metro area, about 90 minutes outside Richmond.  Virginia's motto (popular years ago) was "Virginia is for Lovers".   When Becca said something about going south to somewhere known for love, my son said "Virginia?"  I didn't even pay that any attention, because I thought it was so ridiculous that of all the places this show could go, they would choose Virginia...aaannd yet, they're going to Richmond [stunned silence].

I am sure it's the perfect place to fall in love. Just wait: Becca will tell us exactly that next week. *drink*

That canopy sultan's bed in the "middle of the desert" took me back to, was it Chris Soules' season (?) where two women were left to have a battle of words on that bed. I've forgotten the name of the short haired brunette, but she was the classic villain of that season. Seeing that bed set up in any sand-filled place is a bad omen for everyone involved, including the viewers.

Everyone is talking about Becca being such an outdoorsy person but I don't see it. If you are from Minnesota and scared sh*tless about riding a snowmobile faster than two miles per hour, you are NOT outdoorsy. Plus if your weekend plans are brunching with "the girls" or reading in bed, you are NOT outdoorsy.

[nicgwatchingtv]

I just couldn't with most of last week's episode, but I don't want to get too far behind forParadise (priorities) so thought I 'should' watch this weeks episode. Sigh.

--So back when Becca was originally cast, I know a lot of people said it was too soon for her to go another dating show. I disagreed but I've changed my mind. While I think she's perfectly 'ready' to move on and fall in love, she also still seems to be suffering from breakup-PTSD from how things went down with Arie. If she'd taken a year between being dumped on television when she thought she was beloved and engaged (not that I think that she had the option of taking a year 'off'), and being the Bachelorette, maybe dated a few guys, gone on a bunch of party weekends in the meantime, I think we'd see a better version of her.  She really doesn't seem to be having much fun either.

--Also, I hated a lot of her outfits this episode. The shirt under her leather jacket was terrible, her desert shorts get up w/ neck kerchief was terrible (it might be as bad as the all time worst, imo (of course) Bachelorette outfit (Desiree's breakup with Brooks outfit)).

--I don't like Colton. I see nothing likable about Colton. He seems calculating and smug and vain and fairly dumb. 

-I still don't know who some of these guys are. There hasn't been this many no-named-wonders in literally years. I actually can't remember there being this many ever, but I'm probably wrong. 

--The Wayne Newton date careened from boring af to cringe-worthy.  None of it was enjoyable to watch. I can't believe they left any Linkoln THs in.  WIlls. I love Wills and I generally love unique, even weird, fashion, but that floral shorts thing he was wearing was terrible. They all sang about as well as I would. Chis, I still don't forgive him for looking like Crazy Eddie and that's just one of my problems with him but he really did do great when putting on a show/performing. Too bad applause released his inner obnoxious person.

--David. Sigh. I can only imagine how annoying Jordan must be irl/in the mansion, but I was so over watching him be 'hen-pecked' by David. At first it was a little tongue and cheek enough to seem funny, but by the time that this episode came around, it just seemed obsessive and very much like bully-ing.  Also, no, no, no. Don't ever spend your time with the lead talking about another contestant and don't ever exaggerate your accusations. He deserved the totally dismissive dismissal. 

--Jordan. Well, I'm surprised how much he's grown on me. I'm probably a sap, but I bought his story about his family (and it goes quite a bit towards explaining why 'the look of things' might be so important to him) and I think he's funny (though he takes himself too seriously) and his speaking, walking and being fit will be missed. I'm interested to see what I think of him after we get to see more of him. 

--I already said that Chris became obnoxious this episode, but it's kinda amazing how badly he behaved at the cocktail party. I'm sure a producer wound him up and he's been drinking, but this was not a good look and it was terribly obvious from Becca's words and body language were totally 'back off' . It doesn't say much for him that he couldn't listen to that. Also, he needs to get a clue. He's obviously on the way out and he's not going to help himself with this pissy, 'she's got to meet me' attitude.

--Wills at the cocktail party = everything. I even liked his suit. 

--In terms of the men, this season reminds me a little of Jojo's season. There's been a decent number of interesting guys, but the overall impression is of blockheads and douches. It's partially because these 2 bachelorettes really seemed to like that (and eliminated other types early) of course. But this season seems especially...I don't know. Heavy. Dour. Knowing what we now know about some of the contestants colors it, I'm sure. And then these back to back douchy behaviors towards Becca (at the cocktail party) aren't helping. After what she went through with Arie, I'd much rather see her playing and enjoying herself rather than so exhausted and stressed over constant douchy behavior and being beaten-up with comments that imply that some of her bachelors say bad things about her or think she's not good enough or would just be settling for her. 

--Venmo John! Come back to us! 

--Jordan!! Come back to us!!

--If I thought Becca kept Chris because she liked him, I might give up on this season entirely. That was terrible. 

Edited June 26, 2018 by nicgwatchingtv

[backformore]

3 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

will actually miss Jordan but think this is best for him since it feels like he was going to be relentlessly bullied by the meatheads in the house. Hopefully there are a lot of mirrors in Paradise, which I'm assuming he will be going to. He seems as if he was put on this earth to go to on Bach in Paradise.

But Paradise is so low-rent. It actually looks like a pretty sleazy place. I'm not sure Jordan would be able to keep up with his hair, skin and fitness regimen.

[backformore]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

don't really see anything wrong with being proud of being a model tbh.

He brags about his facial expressions, and how he has the ability to show every emotion by moving his facial muscles. Being proud of modeling is one thing. Jordan takes it to a level where he acts like modeling is this incredible skill that he can't shut up about.

[NoWhammies]

I love that Wills is just himself in fashion. There's a lot of confidence in that. I also love how well he conducts himself.

I don't think Jordan is malicious. Vapid? Sure. Vain? You bet. I feel sad for his childhood - you can see that little boy in him. Of course, I'm old enough to be his mom, so maybe the mom in me is reacting to the lost little boy. I found him hilarious and worth turning the television on for each week. He's very sincere about and proud of what he does for a living. 

David was a twatwaffle. Smug, bullying, and one of those guys who thinks he's a good guy but he's not.

And Chris. Oh my gosh. He feels women owe him something. He thinks he's a good guy who "deserves" things from women. It's the men who think they are "good guys" so they are owed shit by women who are the absolute worst. 

2 minutes ago, backformore said:

He brags about his facial expressions, and how he has the ability to show every emotion by moving his facial muscles. Being proud of modeling is one thing. Jordan takes it to a level where he acts like modeling is this incredible skill that he can't shut up about.

Sadly, I think that's because it's really all he has. 

[Jax7917]

Becca reminds me of a little girl playing dress up with her clothing. She doesn't look comfortable in a fancy dress and heels ( which i'm not either. But i'm not the bachelorette.) I've only been watching the show since Desiree's season, and the only one since her season that I thought was a good lead for this show was JoJo. She wasn't gorgeous in my eyes, but had a great bod and rocked all of her outfits and was flirty and fun with the guys. I think a lot of the guys were actually interested in her unlike a lot of the other seasons i've watched. I really disliked Andi and Rachel and couldn't wait till they got off my screen, kaitlyn was annoying and had her eye on only shawn from day 1, and Desiree and Becca just look really out of their element. I am in no way saying I would do any better in their position, just my observations.

[hnygrl]

I have to admit to missing the first hour (sounds like I didn't miss much!). I felt it more important to watch the rerun of Mom I missed (when Adam got the new puppy), and So You Think You Can Dance last day of auditions.

I came in right at the two-on-one...damn...I woulda left them BOTH in the desert to fight it out.

Although...Gay Jordan did pull ahead a little with the rushed, allinonebreathconfession about his home life...I kinda felt sorry for him and even liked him a wee bit ...but I had to breathe for him since  he wasn't...

Then she gives him another chance and all he talks about is him him him him him him him...dude...I know you know zippity doo-dah about women (being gay and all), but on the BACHELORETTE? You are only allowed to talk about two things: The bachelorette and your shitty childhood. That's it. You didn't use your time wisely. But it was funny. I cracked up at him talk talk talking about himself. And that extra scene at the end? With him in the spa? I wanted to join him...that looked soooo relaxing...

 

Know who Chris reminds me of? The dude who is the "panty dropper" of the group. He never chases women. He don't have to. All he has to do is say a few words in spanish, flash that smile, and panties....on.....the...floor.

He's not used to chasing. Doing the work, 'courting' a woman, Never had to, so when he runs across a lady who's not enamoured of his charms? He gets offended and wonders what the hell is WRONG with her? Don't you know who I AM???? I am the freaking PANTY DROPPER BISH!!! And that's terrifying.

He honestly thought his little song did the trick and Becca's thong was on the floor. So he smugly sat back and waited for her to come get him.  And when she didn't? He reverted to crazy-stalker-ex mode...That dude...is scary.

And I LOVE LOVE LOVE how Wills handled him!!!! He let that creep know with body language ALONE that this far and no further....then sat down, had a drank, and "how you doin' baby?"

Oh

Now THAT

is a panty dropper folks.

I see why she gave Chris a rose, one more shot, pity rose, you show me you can be all about me me me me me or you're out...it wasn't unexpected. Has she even had a conversation with Venmo???

Overall (minus the first hour I missed and WILL NOT be going back to watch)?

LOVED this episode.

And I (mostly) disagree about her wardrobe. I've admired every single cocktail dress she's worn. They're all really 'her.'

Rest of the wardrobe? Eh....I...no....

[Mabinogia]

53 minutes ago, riff-raff said:

This season has been a bit slow for me.  I think one of the main reasons is that Becca just isn't an overtly sensual, emotive person.   She's pretty much the opposite of a flirt, and she is struggling to find and convey a connection with nearly all the men.   You can tell she hates having to kiss and cuddle with multiple men, and has a terrible poker face when she's just not feeling the guy.   She does not have the inclination or ability to string them along, and as result there is a disconnect between her and her "guys."  She also is not a "girly girl" who loves the dress-up, make-up and ultra-feminine trappings, so she's not reveling in the fairy tale aspects of this experience either.  

All of these are the reason I love her, but also the reason I think most of B'Nation wouldn't.

[saber5055]

9 minutes ago, backformore said:

Being proud of modeling is one thing. Jordan takes it to a level where he acts like modeling is this incredible skill that he can't shut up about.

Or that's what TPTB have let us see. For all we know, he can spout Shakespeare, paint like Rafael, dance like Derek Hough. But his role on this show was Male Model. Period. All his THs were recorded after being fed lines by TPTB to make him how the show wanted to portray him.

I'd be interested to know how he feels watching this season. And his edit.

6 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

I see why she gave Chris a rose, one more shot, pity rose, you show me you can be all about me me me me me or you're out...it wasn't unexpected.

It wasn't unexpected because TPTB told her to. The last rose is always The.Most.Drah-matic.Rose.Evah.

[Token]

I don't know if Jordan really did take himself so seriously.  He seemed to be laughing a lot with Becca when he was trying to teach her how to do his facial expressions.  I think the guy had a dry sense of humour and he knows his career is something that can be laughed at and mocked.  He just goes with it.  That's my impression of him.  Is he into his looks?  Sure, but so are a lot of other people.

I agree that Becca is not outdoorsy in the slightest.  She's too skinny and weak for a start.  She has that hunched over walk of someone who can barely support their self while standing upright.  I don't see any strength in her at all.

[threebluestars]

I think they filmed this around late March, which was fairly cool (70s)or early April (80s to 90s the first two weeks).

I'm thinking it was closer to late March based on all the pants and jackets.

[Mabinogia]

I think Jordan was never interested in Becca and was gunning for a spot in B'Nation. He played up his role as male model brilliantly. He was fun enough for her to keep him around until David finally achieved his goal of getting Jordan off the show. Bet David didn't expect it to be a murder suicide. LMAO At least Jordan came out of this with some fans who want to see more of him. I can't imagine too many people were sad to see David go.

24 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

And I LOVE LOVE LOVE how Wills handled him!!!! He let that creep know with body language ALONE that this far and no further....then sat down, had a drank, and "how you doin' baby?"

Oh

Now THAT

is a panty dropper folks.

Oh yes. If I wasn't already all in with Wills that would have done it. A man who can keep his cool and not stoop down to the level of a meatheaded moron AND reads AND dresses the way he damn well pleases and does so with total confidence. Yeah, Wills, will you accept this and every rose forever? Seriously, so far, for me, he hasn't made one wrong step. Isn't he the Harry Potter tattoo guy too? I mean COME ON!!!!

[LBS]

Seriously if he doesn’t win it all I want Wills to skip BIP and go directly to the Bachelor!

[hnygrl]

YAAASSS!!! He would make an AWESOME "first ever black bachelor!!!"

Wills for BACHELOR!!!

[LuvMyShows]

Rarely do I think a guy looks better in glasses, especially those dark-rimmed hipster-ish ones, but wow, Connor went from "not" to "hot" in the brief shot of him wearing them...he should wear them more often!

 

1 hour ago, nicgwatchingtv said:

--So back when Becca was originally cast, I know a lot of people said it was too soon for her to go another dating show. I disagreed but I've changed my mind. While I think she's perfectly 'ready' to move on and fall in love, she also still seems to be suffering from breakup-PTSD from how things went down with Arie. If she'd taken a year between being dumped on television when she thought she was beloved and engaged (not that I think that she had the option of taking a year 'off'), and being the Bachelorette, maybe dated a few guys, gone on a bunch of party weekends in the meantime, I think we'd see a better version of her.  She really doesn't seem to be having much fun either.

Very interesting analysis...I totally agree, but hadn't thought of it.

[RedheadZombie]

38 minutes ago, hnygrl said:

YAAASSS!!! He would make an AWESOME "first ever black bachelor!!!"

Wills for BACHELOR!!!

I'd prefer the guy who already left who broke his hand.  Wills irritated me a little with this episode.

33 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

Rarely do I think a guy looks better in glasses, especially those dark-rimmed hipster-ish ones, but wow, Connor went from "not" to "hot" in the brief shot of him wearing them...he should wear them more often!

 

Very interesting analysis...I totally agree, but hadn't thought of it.

I think all guys look better with glasses.  There's something hot about them.

[fib]

3 hours ago, Token said:

I think Chris said that the letter was returned to him unopened, that's how he knew it wasn't read. 

Um... doesnt that mean that Chris probably sent the letter to the wrong address? So confused. 

[JudyObscure]

4 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

When Becca said there was no there there with Jordan I couldn't help but think there's no there there with her either. I mean her answer to his 'what do you do on the weekend' question wasn't exactly riveting. I think she has more in common with Jordan than she's willing to admit.

Yep. Her first answer to the weekend question was the obvious and boring, "It depends." Then Jordan's face lit up over the amazing coincidence and he said, "Me, too!"  I thought it was the funniest thing he said all season.  Those two crazy kids may not actually be made for each other, but they come close.  Jordan probably really should marry a fellow model so they can give each other facials,  reassure each other over impending crows feet, and console one another over the heartless glam-shaming they encounter.  

[backformore]

47 minutes ago, fib said:

Um... doesnt that mean that Chris probably sent the letter to the wrong address? So confused. 

Yes, that's what I thought.   that maybe Chris is hanging on to all these emotions, when he had the wrong zipcode, or insufficient postage, or some other explanation.  he sends a letter, and it comes back to him unopened -  how did it come back?   Because the post office doesn't send a letter back because "your dad didn't feel like reading it."  and if it was sent back some other way - like enclosed in another envelope, but still unopened - it could be because his dad didn't live at that address. 

the other possibility is that there was a restraining order for some reason (maybe Chris wasn't aware, if it was put in place when he was a kid)  and the dad didn't want to violate it by having any communication.  

There's something missing in that story. The only way to know that someone got a letter and refused to open it, is if you HAND it to them, and they hand it back.  

[NoWhammies]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

Rarely do I think a guy looks better in glasses, especially those dark-rimmed hipster-ish ones, but wow, Connor went from "not" to "hot" in the brief shot of him wearing them...he should wear them more often!

 

Very interesting analysis...I totally agree, but hadn't thought of it.

I was totally into Connor in his glasses, too. 

[Arkay]

I'm going to disagree with everyone who feels that Chris' dad was right to shun him, and that maybe Chris' stubborn and aggressive behavior is why his father abandoned him. I think it's the exact opposite. 

I have a wonderful father, thank God, but  several of my family members do not. I have lived with them having that deep, deep scar of childhood abandonment. In some cases, like Chris,  that fear that someone doesn't want you, or may leave you, manifests in that crazy behavior Chris demonstrated. They just cannot bear that rejection;  and their clingy, stubborn, oblivious behavior makes it worse. Yes, he was awful and obnoxious, but I will never give his father credit for abandoning him.  Clearly his father never expressed any interest in Chris. No matter if the father changed his address or not, he could have facilitated a relationship with his son and chose not to do so. He may have simply marked the envelope "return to sender," or maybe he did move, but if he had wanted to be Chris' father during his childhood, then he would have. 

Chris should have been sent home, and he needs a wise counselor to help him get perspective.

As to Wayne Newton, I couldn't look at him and had to fast forward. Surely there are celebrities in Vegas  that these men would be more familar with than him.

[peachmangosteen]

4 hours ago, LBS said:

I’m going to miss our Golden Labdordoodle* Jordan.  I loved that he excitedly ran to the Jeep while calling ‘dibs on shotgun ‘

I believe he called 'shottie,' which made it even funnier.

1 hour ago, NoWhammies said:

I was totally into Connor in his glasses, too. 

Thirded.

I think if Wills was the Bachelor it would be deeply boring. And I like Wills.

[Token]

2 hours ago, fib said:

Um... doesnt that mean that Chris probably sent the letter to the wrong address? So confused. 

No.  It means it could have been delivered to anyone, including his dad, who wrote on it "return to sender" and then put it into a mailbox to be sent back to him.  Dad may have even included a message on the envelope, along the lines of "don't write to me again".  I'm not quite sure why this is confusing people.

[Soobs]

7 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don't really see anything wrong with being proud of being a model tbh.

When Becca said there was no there there with Jordan I couldn't help but think there's no there there with her either. I mean her answer to his 'what do you do on the weekend' question wasn't exactly riveting. I think she has more in common with Jordan than she's willing to admit.

I did absolutely love her leaving David in the dust though. Amazing moment.

It is gonna be hard for me to get through the eps without Jordan. I watch for the comedy and it's gone now.

 

Jordan has built a career for himself from scratch and he should be proud. It seems that the issue is he doesn't have a lot of other interests and he takes himself too seriously. Becca's weekend by contrast while not riveting did show a wider range of interests (books, spirituality, community, friendships). He needs to date another person obsessed with modeling and their appearance who he can spend long days at the gym with. L.A. is chock full of people like that.

I also enjoyed the long shot of David standing all alone in the vast desert. Tattletales never win on this show! You'd think they'd learn from past seasons.

Edited June 26, 2018 by Soobs

[violet and green]

5 hours ago, nicgwatchingtv said:

I don't like Colton. I see nothing likable about Colton. He seems calculating and smug and vain and fairly dumb. 

Yes, and also greasy. He has the greasiest sly smile. And to me, by her eager body language, he's her clear favorite. Ugh.

People were commenting on his dud camel and hot tub date - but later the two of them were suddenly dressed up and riding on top of a bus (I may have passed out from boredom and missed another riveting portion of date?) through Vegas night lights and kissing, and every time they went under a bridge I hoped it would knock both their heads off!

Becca is good at getting steely and shut down with the guys who send out red flag behaviors - unless they're Colton .

I can't see how Arie could ever have genuinely been to her taste, given the men she's sent home. Grocer Joe, Venmo John, and other lovelies, while keeping lamb chop Colton (and ghastly Garret).

So sad for Jordan, leaving - but at least he got to go after bickering Pink Eye was left in the dust.

And now production have her keeping creepy entitled ragey Chris to fill the role of bickering chicken and "golden underpants clown" combined, with his  own ultrawhingeathon. Good times!

I will really miss Jordan, there's not much levity in this bunch - I hope good things come out of this for him, somehow.

Who will be this season's main social commenter and narrator now???