"The View": Week Of 5/21/2018

[backformore]

Maybe Meghan's view is  just backlash to the idea of having a royal family and a monarchy, instead of a democracy.  I've never been a fan of the "royalty"  idea, but this new generation of royals, especially Harry, seem to have a sense of humor about it.  Meghan and Harry seem very down to earth, so my dislike of the idea of royalty doesn't extend to them.  I'm sure Meghan McCain's husband dislikes the whole thing, so she had to sit out the wedding and talk to pictures instead. 

But really - Meghan just wanted an excuse to show off those oil paintings of the founding fathers.   And seriously, what a crazy fucking way to decorate your house!   I bet they were a wedding present from one of her husband's friends.  

[RHJunkie]

How is Meghan trying to preach against identity politics when her entire political belief system is embedded in her being a gun owning conservative from a red state? I don't know anyone who puts themselves into a box and labels themselves as often as Meghan does. I fail to see how any voter isn't engaging in some kind of identity politics. It's not singular to gender but it's literally voting on principles that are relatable to you and your life. Is this not the basis for how the large majority of people vote? They vote based on issues that are important to them and contrary to Meghan's passive aggressive insult, women's issues are important. Women are the ones that build nations and if you don't protect their rights then you do a disservice to your future as a nation. Meghan may think she's all smart and fancy while she mimics the Republican ideologies like the good little monkey she is but it's entirely possible for someone to care about women's issues, national security, foreign policy, etc. No candidate is ever perfect that's why people who aren't beholden to a party and are willing to vote based on principle and policies recognize that the best candidate is the one that provides the most balanced and reasonable approach. 

[bannana]

1 hour ago, backformore said:

Maybe Meghan's view is  just backlash to the idea of having a royal family and a monarchy, instead of a democracy.  I've never been a fan of the "royalty"  idea, but this new generation of royals, especially Harry, seem to have a sense of humor about it.  Meghan and Harry seem very down to earth, so my dislike of the idea of royalty doesn't extend to them.  I'm sure Meghan McCain's husband dislikes the whole thing, so she had to sit out the wedding and talk to pictures instead. 

But really - Meghan just wanted an excuse to show off those oil paintings of the founding fathers.   And seriously, what a crazy fucking way to decorate your house!   I bet they were a wedding present from one of her husband's friends.  

This I could understand.  There is a lot that is wrong about having a monarchy starting with the exorbitant cost to taxpayers, and the perpetuation of a caste system.  So this is a principle that one could argue.  But the idea that Americans cannot get behind the Royal wedding because they had a revolution against the Brits?  Canada and the US might have a big problem then too, if that is how Elsa views the world.

[piccadilly83]

3 hours ago, WarnerCL45 said:

Same.  Just enough of the stupidity.  The last straw was the Kelly Clarkson thing.  Some people evolve! 

It's not even that.  With regards to the Kelly Clarkson thing, Meghan needs to understand that owning a gun and supporting gun control are not mutually exclusive. Kelly didn't need to evolve into someone who doesn't like guns because she now supports gun control legislation.  She can possess an entire artillery and still want to make sure that there's stricter legislation to ensure firearms end up in the hands of responsible gun owners.

I wish Sunny had been given a chance to further explain what she meant about women's issues.  It sounded like she had some good points, but unfortunately they were at odds with what Meghan had to say, so we never actually got to hear Sunny complete her thoughts.  As for being against identity politics -- le sigh.  In the words of Ta-Naheisi Coates, "all politics is identity politics."

I'm also not sure why Meghan made it seem like people mistrusting intelligence agencies was something unique to today.  That's always been the case.  The only thing with today is that a lot of the mistrust is coming from the allegedly more conservative wing of our country's political spectrum.  

As for the N-word debate, I agree with everything Joy and Sunny said; and pretty much with what Whoopi said as well.

[geekburger]

MM again said the “Special place in hell...” quote which Albright herself said to MM was taken out context. That shows how MM isn’t interested in presenting honest facts. 

[maggiemae]

Good catch geekburger!

[Ohboy]

8 hours ago, blondiec0332 said:

I'm so confused.  In 2018 women were told to not back Hillary Clinton simply because she is a women and now we have people saying women should back Gina Haspel because she is a woman.  And Meghan has the gall to say female Democrats are hypocrites?  Fuck her.

No. The Republicans are saying that the Democrats are being hypocritical because they did want people to vote for Hillary simply because she was a woman and now the Democrats are saying that gender should not play any factor. See the hypocrisy? Republicans can also be be hypocritical, but this instance of hypocrisy is all Democrat.

[backformore]

1 hour ago, Ohboy said:

No. The Republicans are saying that the Democrats are being hypocritical because they did want people to vote for Hillary simply because she was a woman and now the Democrats are saying that gender should not play any factor. See the hypocrisy? Republicans can also be be hypocritical, but this instance of hypocrisy is all Democrat.

that is not the way I see it at ALL. 

Democrats did not say "vote for Hillary SIMPLY because she's female,"  that is what republicans painted it as.   Republicans said it was WRONG to vote for Hillary based on gender. Democrats wanted people to vote for Hillary because she was the better candidate. 

THEN - republicans put forth a female CIA director and say that any Democrats are being hypocritical and sexist to  not support her, that she deserved the support SIMPLY because she's female.  Democrats were against Gina Haspel because of her stance on, and history with torture.  they didn't want to support her simply because of her gender and ignore the terrible things she stands for. 

this instance of hypocrisy is ALL Republican.

And all of the hosts, even Meghan, agreed with this.   Well, Meghan agreed with it and then went off on a tangent that then went somewhere else, but at least for a moment, she agreed.  

Edited May 23, 2018 by backformore

[A.J.]

6 hours ago, merriebreeze said:

Whoopi was a complete failure as a moderator today. She wouldn't give Sunny the time to voice her views, and then refused to stop and go to commercial as directed when she had the floor and was just repeating herself. She and Meghan have a lot in common. They both think they should be deferred to because their words are so much more important than the other panelists. Insecure much? Whoopi goes after people she feels threatened by/inferior to - Rosie, Sunny . . . 

 

This is why I've stopped watching every day.  She's almost to the point of being insufferable.  Guess I won't watch today's show.  I long for Friday shows when she is off.    

Edited May 23, 2018 by A.J.
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[Onceafan]

I'm trying to understand Whoopie's determination to use the "N" word at the hot topics table when Sunny has voiced on multiple occasions that she is not comfortable with that word, and that she has an intense emotional reaction hearing it. I wish Whoopie would be considerate of that, but she just blurts it out on today's show. 

It bothered me when Joy pointed out that Kendrick Lamar uses the word "bitch" in one of his songs and he shouldn't be using that word. While I agree that the word bitch can be derogatory it is not comparable to a person using a racially charged word that has a lot of historical racism and violence and inequality towards people of color. For me "bitch"  and the "N" word are not comparable, and I don't think Joy should have brought that up.

[Apprentice79]

2 hours ago, backformore said:

THEN - republicans put forth a female CIA director and say that any Democrats are being hypocritical and sexist to  not support her, that she deserved the support SIMPLY because she's female.  Democrats were against Gina Haspel because of her stance on, and history with torture.  they didn't want to support her simply because of her gender and ignore the terrible things she stands for. 

Plus, Gina refused to say that torture is immoral.  That was a sticking point for the Democrats that chilled them to the bone.  She prevaricated and made platitudes, but,  said nothing substantial that assured them that she would refuse to enact torture, if she was asked to do it, by a certain person.  

Edited May 23, 2018 by Apprentice79

[TheGreenKnight]

5 hours ago, backformore said:

that is not the way I see it at ALL. 

Democrats did not say "vote for Hillary SIMPLY because she's female,"  that is what republicans painted it as.   Republicans said it was WRONG to vote for Hillary based on gender. Democrats wanted people to vote for Hillary because she was the better candidate. 

THEN - republicans put forth a female CIA director and say that any Democrats are being hypocritical and sexist to  not support her, that she deserved the support SIMPLY because she's female.  Democrats were against Gina Haspel because of her stance on, and history with torture.  they didn't want to support her simply because of her gender and ignore the terrible things she stands for. 

this instance of hypocrisy is ALL Republican.

And all of the hosts, even Meghan, agreed with this.   Well, Meghan agreed with it and then went off on a tangent that then went somewhere else, but at least for a moment, she agreed.  

 

I agree. Probably the main feature of the Democrats in 2016 was focusing on a lesser-of-two-evils / "I'm not Trump" strategy (a shame, imo, because they had better to work with). If anything, the Right was more concerned with bringing up the fact that she was female by dismissing people as only supporting her because she was a woman. Now they expect support for monsters like Haspel, SHS, etc. only because they're female, despite what they do and stand for.

Edited May 23, 2018 by TheGreenKnight

[Former Nun]

James Clapper explains a mistake he made while answering a Congressman's question.  Then Meghan JUMPS on him and accuses him of lying.  Did she not listen?  Then he calmly explains (again) what we all heard him explain.  All the while, she's scowling.  I have a resting-bitch face; can I have her job?

[Former Nun]

6 hours ago, bannana said:

There is a lot that is wrong about having a monarchy starting with the exorbitant cost to taxpayers, and the perpetuation of a caste system.  So this is a principle that one could argue. 

In the case of this royal wedding, the people certainly seemed to support all the pageantry...and the expenses have been documented for them almost daily.  I know they also complain about their taxes and the extravagant lives of the royals, but I think they often put all that aside.

[bannana]

25 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

In the case of this royal wedding, the people certainly seemed to support all the pageantry...and the expenses have been documented for them almost daily.  I know they also complain about their taxes and the extravagant lives of the royals, but I think they often put all that aside.

I do not disagree that this is the case.  Clearly there is support for the monarchy, both in the UK and in the Commonwealth.  In Canada we pay a ridiculous amount of money to host the Royals when they visit and Canadians seem to be okay with that.

I only raised this perspective to say that Elsa could have argued the uselessness of the monarchy as a reason to not get excited about watching the royal wedding.  But she had a different weird perspective.

[Jaded]

In addition to Whoopi swallowing up time with "Welcome to The View" at the start of the show we also had her licking RMB's asshole to try and keep her simmer level at a minimum.

[Bronzedog]

Why does Sara have a hair bubble? Who thought that was a good idea?   And, more importantly, why doesn't someone bitch slap Meghan?

[GoldenGirl90]

Here goes Meghan again, trying to interject herself and her family into a hot topic. They're not talking about your dad's "off the record" conversation with a journalist, Meghan. Plus, off-camera doesn't automatically mean "off the record." I knew she'd revert back to defending Trump.

Meghan says she doesn't trust a lot of the media. Well, a lot of people don't trust you either Meghan, so what does that tell you? More importantly, why would we care which members of the media you distrust?! Ughhhh.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Alexis2291

[Ladyrain]

Why does Whoopie always go to break when SUNNY is talking?!   Has she ever interrupted Elsa mid-sentence to go to break?  Because if she has, I sure don't remember it.  If I were hosting that show, we'd have 57 breaks, because I would go to one every time Meggie opened her pie hole.

[TheGreenKnight]

Meghan is such a buffoon. She's more concerned with a media source giving "off-the-record" information--not even knowing if it was off-the-record--than what was actually said. So then instead of talking about the topic, which is that Trump attacks the media to cause distrust and confusion among the public so that they won't believe anything that's reported about him, they instead talk about the journalist/reporter. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it, too, Meghan. You can't pretend you criticize the Trump administration when you daily defend, deflect, and obfuscate things like this.

[blondiec0332]

4 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

You can't pretend you criticize the Trump administration when you daily defend, deflect, and obfuscate things like this.

She only criticizes Trump and his cronies when it's personal to her.

 

Trump doesn't think voting in the midterms is important because he isn't on the ballot.  Once again it's all about him.

Edited May 23, 2018 by blondiec0332

[Haleth]

Blame the messenger. 

Big girl pundint word of the day: infantilization. 

[GoldenGirl90]

5 minutes ago, Ladyrain said:

Has she ever interrupted Elsa mid-sentence to go to break?

Very rarely, and when she does, she apologizes ("I'm sorry go ahead baby"). She never apologizes when interrupting anybody else at the table, especially if that person is Sunny.

[Coffeewinewater]

Congratulations Meghan the whole conversation was about Leslie Stahl and not what Trump said and how it is shaping people's  idea of the press. Oh yeah and thank you Whoopi you are the worst moderator ever!

[Ladyrain]

I was screaming so loud at the TV that they must have heard me over there in NYC.  "Trump hasn't played by the rules for over two fricking years now!  Why should the press be the only ones doing the right thing!  He's lied, ridiculed and bullied them and their reporting as FAKE NEWS! for years and it's about flipping time somebody called him out on it!!!"

There.  I feel better now.  I probably didn't explain my point very well, but I'm still rage-shaking at MM's blind partisanship on this issue.  Well, on any issue, really.

For the record, I'm sure Stahl's conversation was not 'off the record', because no matter what, I doubt that she would reveal that info if it was.

[WarnerCL45]

15 hours ago, bannana said:

This I could understand.  There is a lot that is wrong about having a monarchy starting with the exorbitant cost to taxpayers, and the perpetuation of a caste system.  So this is a principle that one could argue. 

But there’s no monarchy in the US.  Does she have empathy for the Brits?  LOL.  I still think she gets her ideas from her husband. I just don’t get her reasoning.

[blondiec0332]

1 minute ago, Ladyrain said:

For the record, I'm sure Stahl's conversation was not 'off the record', because no matter what, I doubt that she would reveal that info if it was.

And Trump doesn't know the meaning of the words off the record.  The man runs off at the mouth constantly.

 

And WTF is wrong with Meghan that even if it was off the record what he said doesn't bother her??????

[Tunia]

OMG - it's a topsy-turvy day when Whoopi has the best hair on the panel.  Sara looks thrown together, Joy is shaggy and needs a cut,  Sunny's hair is wearing her, and Meghan looks like an 80-year-old dowager.  Get it together, ladies!  You're on TV!

[Bronzedog]

Michelle Wolf is very off putting.  I don't like her.

Is the 30 year old whose parents are trying to evict going to use his parents money to appeal the judge's decision?

[GoldenGirl90]

Meghan just asked Michelle Wolf how she would feel knowing that she may have killed any comedian's future career because of her White House Correspondence performance. WTF kind of question is that?? So even if there are no more comedians invited to the White House Correspondence Dinner ever, that means comedians will never find gigs elsewhere?! What a stupid question.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Alexis2291

[TheGreenKnight]

2 hours ago, WarnerCL45 said:

But there’s no monarchy in the US.  Does she have empathy for the Brits?  LOL.  I still think she gets her ideas from her husband. I just don’t get her reasoning.

I don't think she has reasoning for anything. She just repeats what the Republican talking points are for the day. Oversimplification and diversions are the tactic du jour right now.

[blondiec0332]

Whoopi is criticizing the 30 yr. old man living with his parents when she still continues to support her 40something daughter.

[Coffeewinewater]

12 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Michelle Wolf is very off putting.  I don't like her.

Is the 30 year old whose parents are trying to evict going to use his parents money to appeal the judge's decision?

My husband was getting ready for work,  I turned on the news and this was the story that was on, we both laughed so hard. We have a 24 year old that moved home a few weeks ago and it's been interesting.  We have a time line of how long she can stay. She better not makes us take to court lol. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Coffeewinewater

[Medicine Crow]

I don't understand why "the press" doesn't boycott Trump & only print/report stories obtained from ANY OTHER SOURCE!!  Just sayin'.

[GHScorpiosRule]

5 minutes ago, Medicine Crow said:

I don't understand why "the press" doesn't boycott Trump & only print/report stories obtained from ANY OTHER SOURCE!!  Just sayin'.

Because the press doesn't get to choose what stories to report and print. Their purpose is to report on everything of national and public interest. If they only report stories from other sources, they're NOT doing their jobs. And the shenanigans being conducted should be reported.

Show should just put a giant postcard of things Meghan doesn't trust or like. She's already gone on record that she hates the "media" and that the NYT is "slime" and Newsweek is "trash." Nothing new here. So I guess because she can't come up with anything new, she just regurgitates what she's already said?

So she's reverted to type/natural/real behavior/person now that Sweeps are over. Color me shocked. ?????

[RHJunkie]

The sweet irony of Meghan complaining about Democrats being about identity politics which sunk their ship in 2016 and literally a day later she's having to discuss women in the Democratic party scoring big in the preliminaries of red states, haha.

Why would anyone be surprised by millennials not voting when candidates don't really pay any attention to millennial issues...except one person, Bernie Sanders. His campaign was proof that there are A LOT of millennials that care and want to see difference. Crazy idea, but if you'd like to figure out ways to increase voting numbers, then maybe you should consider how politics can be more inclusive to issues that are outside immigration, employment and abortion.

MM is literally a version of Trump...and absolute hypocrite. If you love America so much, why are you upset that there are people that are willing to leak unconstitutional and unlawful information in order to have people intervene and end those antics? If you are a patriot, why are you upset that someone is outing a comment that goes against the very grain of the democratic principles of the very country and flag you worship? And why are you making it about yourself? Did you say very unAmerican things and expose your manipulative thinking when speaking to Stahl and her crew? Is that why you're so worried about your off the record conversations? Be real Meghan, they wouldn't be there if it weren't for wanting to talk to your dad so if you now have an issue with trusting Stahl because of his comment, just don't show up to the family interview when she's there. She knows that this revelation could detract many of the middle Republicans who haven't gone to the extreme of thinking Trump can do no wrong. As much as she says she doesn't like Trump, she would rather him in office and a Republican hold on the house than him not being there. So she distracts from the real crux of the matter to make it a conversation about principle but the very fact that she would do that shows the lack of principle and integrity she has.

I love when Michelle Wolf said 'to the people who thought I was talking about her looks...well I thought you were smarter than that...and maybe it says more about you and what you think about her looks' as MM sat by silently and said nothing. She was one of those people and if Michelle Wolf watched The View, she would have known that MM is in fact not smarter or better than to immediately draw comparisons to the looks because MM is basic thinking like that...like real basic thinking to the point where it often lacks common sense.

I truly do respect what John McCain has done for his country and feel bad for what he's going through right now, but it's bittersweet listening to any of his wise words because it seems lost on his own daughter and she sits on that stage everyday and conducts herself in a way (and makes inferences in a way) that seems to go against the very grain of her own father's principles and integrity. And worse than that, she soaks up all that praise. Please stop directing your John McCain compliments at her! Respecting her father doesn't mean she should get a free ride when she says wrong things, when she behaves aggressively and like a brat who can't hear anyone else speak around her unless they're agreeing with her. Just stop it!

[Orillia]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

In addition to Whoopi swallowing up time with "Welcome to The View" at the start of the show we also had her licking RMB's asshole to try and keep her simmer level at a minimum.

When the show opened with that award winning ass kissing, I thought we'd be in trouble. But they went on to redeem themselves with an update on the second greatest love story of the week. That segment brought a tear to my eye , it was so touching.

[Tunia]

2 hours ago, Jaded said:

In addition to Whoopi swallowing up time with "Welcome to The View" at the start of the show we also had her licking RMB's asshole to try and keep her simmer level at a minimum.

MMM needs an ass kicking, rather than an ass licking.

[Wings]

On 5/23/2018 at 8:21 AM, Ladyrain said:

Why does Whoopie always go to break when SUNNY is talking?!   Has she ever interrupted Elsa mid-sentence to go to break?  Because if she has, I sure don't remember it.  If I were hosting that show, we'd have 57 breaks, because I would go to one every time Meggie opened her pie hole.

That is the producers  call, not hers.  Every so often she asks to keep going and they tell her, after the break.  

On 5/23/2018 at 8:43 AM, blondiec0332 said:

Whoopi is criticizing the 30 yr. old man living with his parents when she still continues to support her 40something daughter.

Alex doesn’t live with her.  If I had millions I would gift my kids, too.  Joy probably does the same with her daughter. 

On 5/23/2018 at 8:41 AM, Alexis2291 said:

Meghan just asked Michelle Wolf how she would feel knowing that she may have killed any comedian's future career because of her White House Correspondence performance. WTF kind of question is that?? So even if there are no more comedians invited to the White House Correspondence Dinner ever, that means comedians will never find gigs elsewhere?! What a stupid question.

 

Too much!  Trump cannot kill a comedian's career by not allowing them to be at his functions!!  They don't give a shit, there are other gigs.  She is too much.

On 5/23/2018 at 8:37 AM, Tunia said:

OMG - it's a topsy-turvy day when Whoopi has the best hair on the panel.  Sara looks thrown together, Joy is shaggy and needs a cut,  Sunny's hair is wearing her, and Meghan looks like an 80-year-old dowager.  Get it together, ladies!  You're on TV!

Ha ha ha ha ha!  Joy needs a new hair style.  One side back and the other down is not working well.   Sunny, lose the ingenue look. 

Edited May 26, 2018 by Wings

[blondiec0332]

5 minutes ago, Wings said:

 

Alex doesn’t live with her.  If I had millions I would gift my kids, too.  Joy probably does the same with her daughter. 

 

 

There is a difference between gifting and supporting.   As far as I know Alex has never had a job.  I don't even know if her husband has a job.

[atlantaloves]

Yep, you are right about that Blondie.

[Wings]

2 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

There is a difference between gifting and supporting.   As far as I know Alex has never had a job.  I don't even know if her husband has a job.

Ahhh, I didn’t know this. 

[JakeyJokes]

2 hours ago, Alexis2291 said:

Meghan just asked Michelle Wolf how she would feel knowing that she may have killed any comedian's future career because of her White House Correspondence performance. WTF kind of question is that?? So even if there are no more comedians invited to the White House Correspondence Dinner ever, that means comedians will never find gigs elsewhere?! What a stupid question.

 

If she were a lawyer, wouldn't this be "leading" or "badgering the witness"? It's a mean-spirited hypothetical question. In the movie in my mind, Ana Navarro or Jedidah Bila asks something like, "After your performance, there were opinion pieces that suggested ending the White House Correspondents Dinner in part because of the negative media attention. Do you think that's a reasonable thing to do?" This lets the not-as-aware viewers know that, yes, there WAS a considerable backlash, but also gives Michele the floor to speak on it.

My favorite episode ever of The View (sadly gone from the Interwebs) is with Audra McDonald in S10 and Joy Behar has, jokingly, said so many comments that hurt Rosie's feelings that Rosie says to the camera, "I have to tell you, I'm really missing Star Jones right now. I miss her. I'm feeling the love."

MM has me feeling that way about Hasselbeck and Candace Cameron.

I am moving back in with my parents VERY TEMPORARILY and that lawsuit is so upsetting! I'm paying rent!

Edited May 23, 2018 by JakeyJokes

[Former Nun]

2 hours ago, blondiec0332 said:

Whoopi is criticizing the 30 yr. old man living with his parents when she still continues to support her 40something daughter.

...and perhaps the granddaughter and great-granddaughter.  Poor Alex has been trying to get into showbiz all her life.  I'm sure Whoopi encouraged it at first and pulled every string she could.  Too late to break that mold, I guess.   I suppose if I were Whoopi's daughter and compared what I could earn on a "real" job--even a really good one--I'd be discouraged and take the easy way out (sucking up to my millionaire mother).

Edited May 23, 2018 by Former Nun
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[Wings]

I am so sick of Meggie.  She is not a conservative, she is a radical pinhead. 

That’s all I got today. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Wings

[blondiec0332]

Am I the only one who thought Meghan looked like she belonged on Little House on the Prairie today?

[atlantaloves]

Honey I haven't even watched the show yet, and I agree with your critique of her outfit. Snort. 

[Catnip]

15 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said:

Am I the only one who thought Meghan looked like she belonged on Little House on the Prairie today?

Yes -- Nellie Oleson when MM wears her hair in tendrils along with her mean girl persona. 

[ari333]

Why was MM wearing a window treatment?

[JakeyJokes]

The primaries segment drove me nuts!  I'm glad they discussed it, so A for effort, but you can't discuss low voter turnout without voter suppression. I don't know the laws in GA, but I have been an election judge in MN for years and new residents are gobsmacked at how easy we make it for you to vote. Many states now require ID for you to vote (not register, but vote!) and in some states they do that also practically shutting the places where you can obtain your ID. It's not just millennials staying home, it's millenials not voting because a student ID is not valid. And then Whoopi says that Deval Patrick was not the first black governor but the guy in L.A. was. Wait, what?