S10.E07: On an Island

[ShawnaLanne]

15 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

You are GOOD. Nailed it.

No. I remember this. Jill was horrible. It wasn't a little bit of trouble. Bethany got snippy with Jill and Jill nuked her. Bethany thought of Jill as a mother/big sister,  she begged for reconciliation. And when she was rejected repeatedly she was done. 

In my head,  Bethany defending Sonja is sort of like her defending Jill. 

15 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I do agree with this.  I don't think anyone should be shamed on national TV just b/c they didn't go or asked about being comped.  Who knows what his financial situation really is?  Maybe the vacations he goes to is on someone's dime?  And if so, that's on the person treating him for the vacations.  Or maybe they are workingj vacations?  His parents may be wealthy, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is.  Most parents don't fund their children after 21.  Or it they have money, it's in a trust fund for later in life or inheritance.  

I enjoyed that bit of Beth gossip; and he probably is an "operator" as she said.  He may have loved Carole, but I would not be surprised if his motive wasn't entirely pure there either.  But Beth seems to enjoy shaming people.  Didn't she also comment on the amount Ramona gave, as if it was paltry?  She threw some shade on the dollar amounts.  I applaud her for what she is doing in PR but not everyone has the financial means she does.  

It was one day and all travel costs paid for. 

[Delete]

I have no favourite in the feud between Carole and Bethenny, but I’ll be sitting back with the popcorn to watch the fireworks. 

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

No. I remember this. Jill was horrible. It wasn't a little bit of trouble. Bethany got snippy with Jill and Jill nuked her. Bethany thought of Jill as a mother/big sister,  she begged for reconciliation. And when she was rejected repeatedly she was done. 

In my head,  Bethany defending Sonja is sort of like her defending Jill. 

It was one day and all travel costs paid for. 

Bethenny tweeted that she "Threw Sonja a Bone" because no one wanted to be around her which is why she defended her. Except, that wasn't true, Luann was also defending Sonja and spending the most amount of time with her, not Bethenny and Sonja/Ramona made up while B/D were in PR. Plus,Sonja brought it all on herself by selling/telling lies about Dorinda/Tinsley to page six. Funny, Bethenny never forgave Kirsten for answering a question about Bethenny at a step and repeat and Kristen was complimentary about Bethenny. 

Bethenny never said that all travel costs (to/in Houston) would be paid for by her charity, which was still strictly tied to DFS back then. All volunteers had to assume all cost, including travel costs.

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, Rap541 said:

But its not. Someone who has never had a child has no responsibility to another human being except by choice. It's a responsibility, a responsibility Carole and Tinsley don't know and likely will never know. However crappy of parents they might be, parents of adult children like Ramona, Luann, and Dorinda still think of their children and feel some responsibility towards them. Likewise Sonya and Bethenny with school age children. There is a difference in responsibility and mindset. 

I'm personally happily child free so don't think I am some crazy mom who sniffed her baby's head and let the pheromones warp her mind

Exactly. Just because Lu, Ramona and Dorinda have adult children doesn't mean they are out of their lives. We have heard of Victoria's DUI arrest among other problems, seen Dorinda's daughter living with her and apparently unable to get on with her life until a year or so ago due to grief over her step father's death. In Ramona's case, after her divorce she seemed to lean on Avery and often Avery seemed like the adult/mother in the relationship. These days with cell phones and the ability to stay in touch 24/7, it seems like often parents and adult children are joined at the hip in an unhealthy way. Just a couple of days ago a friend of mine was lamenting that her 32 year old daughter never calls, only texts where she used to call several times a day. Rather than be proud that her daughter is self sufficient and happy, she upset that her daughter wasn't sharing every part of her life as she used to. Other friends are upset as their adult children are too dependent on them. In any case though, I think the old saying applies - you are only as happy as your unhappiest child. And it doesn't matter how old that child is. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by UsernameFatigue

[lunastartron]

59 minutes ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

It's not "lore" that Carole called Aviva "nothing" because she had no career & was a SAHM.  She did do this.  So I don't understand your point.  My point is, she can apologize for that till she's in the grave.  She never should have said it in the first place.  And that remark, even if she makes 10 billion apologies for it, conflicts with her recent Bravo blog.

You are correct. During their tete a tete, Aviva brought up the fact that Carole had produced only a single book prior to Widow's Guide (this was after Carole had previously rolled her eyes at the ostensible stupidity of Aviva for referencing her Chicken Soup essay and educational background as proof of her own writing-heavy background). Carole then declared, "you're nothing: you've never worked outside the home." 

The train of thought seems pretty connected/representative of a mental progression to me. 

I don't recall her ever apologizing for it, though. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

Keith Hernandez & Lu?  Ew, don't make me picture that.  2 sleazy sex addicts bumping up.  Yuck.  Even Elaine on Seinfeld passed on him.  But if it's got a penis & a heartbeat, Lu is on it, eh?  Thanks for reminding us of that, Sonja.  Guess she's the same way, right?

Btw, Moaner constantly saying that Lu-man shit was stupid.  She just wouldn't stop with that crap.  WTF?

Idk, Sonja's bullshit storyline of painting her bird-crap encrusted & really disgusting-looking outdoor "furniture" got me to thinking again about Sonja's financial status.  Is Sonja really broke & dependent on Bravo dough & whatever child support payments she still manages to get from Old Man Morgan?

[bref]

I've not been a fan of Bethenny's for a very long time, but I did like Carole. Now I think they both suck. They both look terrible in this fight, IMO. 

[ivygirl]

I’m on the “Bethenny’s comment about Tinsley and Carole being unmarried and childless was super cold” side of the fence. Sure, it’s a statement of fact, but when I hear it, I think of Tai’s comment to Cher in Clueless, when she was mad about what Cher had said about Tai’s chances with Josh: “You’re a virgin who can’t drive.” It was true; and yet, it was a putdown. 

To imply that two people would be better friends because neither has had kids or is/has been married is shady—a very “I’m up here and you’re down here” moment, IMO. Like, “of course they have time to be friends—they don’t have a kid (like me) or a committed man (like me) or a successful business (like me).” Bethenny said it to feel better about herself, likely because she feels a sting in her “parting” from Carole.

 

6 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I laugh too and I always think of Kathleen Turner when she was on Friends as Chandler Bing's dad (pretending to be in drag), same voice.

What do we think will be in Lu's set list for her cabaret show...Steam Heat, Funny Valentine, I't's a Quarter to Three...plus one of the cool hip songs the kids are singing like something from Taylor Swift plus something she used to sing to her kids when they were little.  So many choices.

Poor Natalie Cole... I saw a video of her rehearsing Nat King Cole’s “Love.” 

I personally think this show is going to be entertaining. A wonderful musical experience? Nooooo (at least for the singing). But entertaining? Oh yes.

Edited May 18, 2018 by ivygirl

[Happy Camper]

11 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I think "deep down" Carole never thought Bethenny would turn on her like she has everyone else in her life, save Bryn. I think "deep down" that Carole really thought she and Bethenny were real friends with a friendship that would stand the test of time. She was wrong!

Bethenny and Carol bring to my mind the Scorpion and the Frog fable.

[diadochokinesis]

16 hours ago, missyb said:

Check out Carole's blog. Scathing and interesting. 

http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-10/blogs/carole-radziwill/carole-radziwill-to-bnice-or

Tamara Tattles did a purple pen on the blog and it is amazing.  I hardly ever agree with TT on ANYTHING and I used to really like Carole but OMG.  I have to agree with 99.9% of that purple pen.  It isn’t a good look for Carole.  She comes off as petty, jealous, and not at all self-aware. 

[weaver]

13 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I think Carole is afraid of what Bethenny can reveal about Adam.

I think Bethenny might be afraid of what Carole can reveal about Bethenny/Jason although Bethenny is so narcissistic she'd never believe SHE did anything wrong.  

Wonder where Andy stands?  

[hoodooznoodooz]

Someone upthread mentioned that Tom slept with another woman the night before the Reunion taping. How did you learn this?

Also in an interview someone linked, Lu says that she discovered Tom in bed with another woman. And Victoria told Lu that she noticed Tom’s car was missing the next morning. Can someone connect the dots for me? Thank you!

[BodhiGurl]

2 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Tamara Tattles did a purple pen on the blog and it is amazing.  I hardly ever agree with TT on ANYTHING and I used to really like Carole but OMG.  I have to agree with 99.9% of that purple pen.  It isn’t a good look for Carole.  She comes off as petty, jealous, and not at all self-aware. 

oooooh... Tamra Tattles... BURN.... and IMO, accurate... good read, thanks for mentioning it :)

http://tamaratattles.com/2018/05/17/carole-radziwill-comes-for-bethenny-on-her-latest-bravo-blog/

Edited May 18, 2018 by BodhiGurl

[SuprSuprElevated]

5 hours ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

Btw, Moaner constantly saying that Lu-man shit was stupid.  She just wouldn't stop with that crap.  WTF?

Ramona is uncomfortably (for me) fulfilled by denegrating her co-workers.  The LuMan thing, the inviting Missy to an event where Luann is also attending thing, quizzing BF about her past soft porn stuff (in a crowd)... and on and on.  She loves it and lives for it.  

Reprehensible.

[Baltimore Betty]

3 minutes ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

Ramona is uncomfortably (for me) fulfilled by denegrating her co-workers.  The LuMan thing, the inviting Missy to an event where Luann is also attending thing, quizzing BF about her past soft porn stuff (in a crowd)... and on and on.  She loves it and lives for it.  

Reprehensible.

I think she has some sort of autism, she cannot read facial cues or realize what she says is hurtful or stupid, I just think something is not right upstairs with her.  She is awkward physically, jerky even, runs at the mouth often without saying anything, has no idea how to treat anyone in the service industry or people in general.  Ramona somehow has never been punched by anyone, ever...how could that be?  I really think there is something chemical going on there that needs some chemicals, pronto.

24 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Someone upthread mentioned that Tom slept with another woman the night before the Reunion taping. How did you learn this?

Also in an interview someone linked, Lu says that she discovered Tom in bed with another woman. And Victoria told Lu that she noticed Tom’s car was missing the next morning. Can someone connect the dots for me? Thank you!

Those dots were never there.  

[Baltimore Betty]

10 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

Was it my imagination or was Tinsley wearing the same sleeveless sparkly black dress (with white collar, naturally) during both the party and the TH shown during the party?  If I wasnt hallucinating, is this the first time that has happened on a RH ahow?

Maybe her wardrobe allowance has taken a hit...

I recognized that dress too, Sonja re wears her wardrobe constantly.  But honestly, I have not even seen anyone wear the same pair of shoes on this show.  Maybe there is a bit of borrowing from designers going on, it's a great way to get your clothes seen and the HW gets a nice outfit to wear without the expense...return and repeat.

[noveltylibrary]

17 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Maybe but a)I honestly didn't see any earth shaking true revelations in Carole's temper tantrum of a blog post and b) it's all happening because Bethenny's crack about her life and career clearly cut Carole to the bone.

People who are confident in their success let that success be the answer. People who are desperately insecure do what Carole just did on her blog. All she's doing is confirming there is some truth to what Bethenny said.

She is definitely seeing red!  I think it's dumb to imply Skinnygirl isn't a real accomplishment because it happened on a reality show.   And the line that she 'quietly gives to charity'; it's not quiet when you announce it!  Don't get me wrong Bethenny is a mess in her own way, but I can never stop watching her, unlike Carole who makes for a good bathroom break.  

[Sweet-tea]

On 5/16/2018 at 11:24 PM, diadochokinesis said:

I haven’t read the comments and I’m not even all the way through the episode but I have to say this...  I have so many conflicting feelings about Dorinda.  When she is sober, I like her.  I’ve finished the Puerto Rico part of the episode and I liked her.  But when she is drunk  and angry, I don’t like that Dorinda.  She is completely a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde person.  Sober Dorinda is nice.  Drunk Dorinda is angry and scary. 

The Big Book (Alcoholics Anonymous) uses the Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde description in describing the alcoholic. 

[Kemper]

I may have missed this in all the upthread posts, but about Duff.  I remember reading her book years ago and liking it.  But what was the very-obvious white patch on her chest for?  Did she have a lumpectomy?  And why was she walking through somewhere with her coat hanging off one shoulder?  Did she have surgery?  I am not trying to be catty...I would just like to know what the physical problem is/was; I hope it is nothing serious.  But the patch was very obviously displayed.  Or maybe she just wanted to wear an off-the-shoulder top/dress!

[zoeysmom]

10 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Bethenny tweeted that she "Threw Sonja a Bone" because no one wanted to be around her which is why she defended her. Except, that wasn't true, Luann was also defending Sonja and spending the most amount of time with her, not Bethenny and Sonja/Ramona made up while B/D were in PR. Plus,Sonja brought it all on herself by selling/telling lies about Dorinda/Tinsley to page six. Funny, Bethenny never forgave Kirsten for answering a question about Bethenny at a step and repeat and Kristen was complimentary about Bethenny. 

Bethenny never said that all travel costs (to/in Houston) would be paid for by her charity, which was still strictly tied to DFS back then. All volunteers had to assume all cost, including travel costs.

I don't think the issue is whether or not expenses were offered up or paid or whether it was for one day or a week or a portion of a week I believe the beef for Carole  is Bethenny went directly to Adam.  Bethenny telling Carole back in August Adam was an operator probably did not sit well with Carole.  Carole's frustration seems to be Bethenny and her confessionals.  I am on the fence when a couple breaks up if a friend makes an negative observation about the ex if it is a deal breaker in the friendship.  

Funny thing happened about talking to Page Six, now Dorinda, Carole, Sonja and others regularly appear on their news show and bash other cast mates.  Sonja's great crime was telling Page Six Tinsley was a bad houseguest.  Tinsley seemed to try and remedy it with the fake thank you party also known as the season finale.  

Bethenny has said she will personally pay the expenses:  

 

I am thinking Bethenny doesn't pay for the plane-but gets the flight donated?  I also can't imagine what expenses there are for a day trip.  I wonder if the T-shirts have to be the Bethenny branding shirt?  I could never wear the stupid #thisisacrisis shirt.    Again I think Carole's issue is she feels as though Bethenny went behind her back. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by zoeysmom

[Keywestclubkid]

IF Bethany was doing this for the RIGHT reasons she would have left Adams's name out of her mouth.... you go to help people and dont expect anything in return. No look at me i did this arnt I great?.... Beth is now turning this into a smear campaign against those who have wronged her.. WELL Adam wanted money, well if Carol really cared she would have done this blah blah blah. Why turn it into what they didn't do? Why not leave it at we helped a lot of people that needed it?? Bethany cant help herself with tearing others down to make herself look better.. just like at that dinner when she went after a semi powerful man who had some semi power talking about dorindas dead husband.. she just needs to keep her mouth closed it makes her look like a shrew of a woman who is above everyone else.. a true business woman and philanthropist would have said he wasn't part of it or she wasn't part of it unfortunately and left it at that but oh no not get in a jab Bethany

Edited May 18, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[weaver]

4 minutes ago, Kemper said:

I may have missed this in all the upthread posts, but about Duff.  I remember reading her book years ago and liking it.  But what was the very-obvious white patch on her chest for?  Did she have a lumpectomy?  And why was she walking through somewhere with her coat hanging off one shoulder?  Did she have surgery?  I am not trying to be catty...I would just like to know what the physical problem is/was; I hope it is nothing serious.  But the patch was very obviously displayed.  Or maybe she just wanted to wear an off-the-shoulder top/dress!

I suspect it was a pain patch. She has sarcoidosis.   Her book is about dealing with chronic pain. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

21 hours ago, Ki-in said:

Luann calls Adam a user

http://www.allabouttrh.com/2018/05/16/the-countess-recounts-her-epic-falls-and-reveals-her-greatest-lover-plus-calls-adam-kenworthy-boring-and-a-user/

 

Listen to the podcast and you can hear it for yourself

“...She saw him in bed with her the next day, but her daughter filled her in about his car’s absence that morning.”

This part is what is confusing me about the Lu/Tom explanation. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[SuprSuprElevated]

19 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't think the issue is whether or not expenses were offered up or paid or whether it was for one day or a week or a portion of a week I believe the beef for Carole  is Bethenny went directly to Adam.  Bethenny telling Carole back in August Adam was an operator probably did not sit well with Carole.  Carole's frustration seems to be Bethenny and her confessionals.  I am on the fence when a couple breaks up if a friend makes an negative observation about the ex if it is a deal breaker in the friendship.  

Funny thing happened about talking to Page Six, now Dorinda, Carole, Sonja and others regularly appear on their news show and bash other cast mates.  Sonja's great crime was telling Page Six Tinsley was a bad houseguest.  Tinsley seemed to try and remedy it with the fake thank you party also known as the season finale.  

Bethenny has said she will personally pay the expenses:  

 

I am thinking Bethenny doesn't pay for the plane-but gets the flight donated?  I also can't imagine what expenses there are for a day trip.  I wonder if the T-shirts have to be the Bethenny branding shirt?  I could never where the stupid #thisisacrisis shirt.    Again I think Carole's issue is she feels as though Bethenny went behind her back. 

For me, if that's Carole's beef, it's a stupid one.  

For B to say she doesn't pay volunteers is rather redundant isn't it?  A volunteer by definition...

Adam wasn't willing to be a volunteer, at least for Bethenny and this charity.  Get over it dear.

[WireWrap]

15 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't think the issue is whether or not expenses were offered up or paid or whether it was for one day or a week or a portion of a week I believe the beef for Carole  is Bethenny went directly to Adam.  Bethenny telling Carole back in August Adam was an operator probably did not sit well with Carole.  Carole's frustration seems to be Bethenny and her confessionals.  I am on the fence when a couple breaks up if a friend makes an negative observation about the ex if it is a deal breaker in the friendship.  

Funny thing happened about talking to Page Six, now Dorinda, Carole, Sonja and others regularly appear on their news show and bash other cast mates.  Sonja's great crime was telling Page Six Tinsley was a bad houseguest.  Tinsley seemed to try and remedy it with the fake thank you party also known as the season finale.  

Bethenny has said she will personally pay the expenses:  

 

I am thinking Bethenny doesn't pay for the plane-but gets the flight donated?  I also can't imagine what expenses there are for a day trip.  I wonder if the T-shirts have to be the Bethenny branding shirt?  I could never where the stupid #thisisacrisis shirt.    Again I think Carole's issue is she feels as though Bethenny went behind her back. 

I suspect Carole's beef with Bethenny about Adam is 2 fold, 1)being that Bethenny didn't talk to her first about asking him, 2) (more importantly) Bethenny talking smack about him to the others behind her back and doing it on camera. If we compare Carole's behavior on the episode, she is still pro Bethenny but starting to feel B's sting, against her blogs, where she is OTT about Bethenny, the difference is that Carole knows exactly what Bethenny has been saying about her/Adam to the others (mainly Dorinda is my guess) both on and off camera. Bethenny had better hope she hasn't pushed Carole too far or Carole may spill the beans on her. LOL

The Huston trip wasn't anything like the later trips to PR where she had planes donated for her to use, so Yes, anyone going to Huston with her would have had to pay for the flight there and find a hotel (nearly impossible) to stay. I have no doubt that everyone that helps Bethenny had to wear 1 of her T shirts.

Carole's problem is that Bethenny "talked" badly about her/Adam behind their backs and on camera.

[SuprSuprElevated]

3 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Carole's problem is that Bethenny "talked" badly about her/Adam behind their backs and on camera.

Which is mandated in the Charter of the Real Housewives.  Section IV, Article 7.211

Edited May 18, 2018 by SuprSuprElevated

[KungFuBunny]

8 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

No. I remember this. Jill was horrible. It wasn't a little bit of trouble. Bethany got snippy with Jill and Jill nuked her. Bethany thought of Jill as a mother/big sister,  she begged for reconciliation. And when she was rejected repeatedly she was done. 

In my head,  Bethany defending Sonja is sort of like her defending Jill. 

It was one day and all travel costs paid for. 

It seems like the first question he asked was what was the comp? I hope someone has the email stream of this conversation.

[Mindthinkr]

56 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I am thinking Bethenny doesn't pay for the plane-but gets the flight donated?  I also can't imagine what expenses there are for a day trip.  I wonder if the T-shirts have to be the Bethenny branding shirt?  I could never where the stupid #thisisacrisis shirt.    Again I think Carole's issue is she feels as though Bethenny went behind her back. 

Steve Harvey was a major donator. He gave her use of his private planes to go back and forth to PR at no expense to her. He generously flew in supplies, and Bethenny and crew to help. His plane was also used to take in relief even when Bethenny wasn’t on it, but was arranging for a continuous flow of food, water, medicine etc to help those in need. He (SH) hasn’t been too vocal about his help but I’m surprised that Bethenny hasn’t applauded him more in her SM for what he did for her. 

Edited to add: She might have paid for some planes, as she stated on Twitter, but she didn’t pay for all the planes. It kind of peeves me that she’s presenting herself to be the sole supporting factor when that’s clearly not the case. Still I’m happy that she got up and did so much that was needed for PR. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Mindthinkr

[lezlers]

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 6:43 PM, Neurochick said:

I love it, I was like, "ouch!"

I thought Carole was a writer.

Wait, one of Carole's friends is Duff?  I'd forgotten about her, didn't she used to be on MTV and/or Fox news?

Was that Duff from the MtV days of yore???  She looked like it and the name was the same but I wasn't sure. She was one of the original Veejays!   What was that patch on her chest.  It was quite distracting.  I'm gonna feel like a real asshole if it was medically necessary and needed to be on that spot.

[lezlers]

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 7:00 PM, ShawnaLanne said:

Why wouldn't Tom have a party on the same boat? Should he scrap it now that he had an engagement party on it?

I think it was all of the small details all together at once.  Having a NYE party which would've been their first anniversary, on the boat they chartered for their engagement party (pretty sure he doesn't own it) just seems mean.  I was cracking up at Dorinda proudly telling the story about drunkenly raving at Tom about it and Lu's obvious delight at hearing it.  Everything is great when Drunk Dorinda uses her powers for good! 

[hoodooznoodooz]

29 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I suspect Carole's beef with Bethenny about Adam is 2 fold, 1)being that Bethenny didn't talk to her first about asking him, 2) (more importantly) Bethenny talking smack about him to the others behind her back and doing it on camera. If we compare Carole's behavior on the episode, she is still pro Bethenny but starting to feel B's sting, against her blogs, where she is OTT about Bethenny, the difference is that Carole knows exactly what Bethenny has been saying about her/Adam to the others (mainly Dorinda is my guess) both on and off camera. Bethenny had better hope she hasn't pushed Carole too far or Carole may spill the beans on her. LOL

The Huston trip wasn't anything like the later trips to PR where she had planes donated for her to use, so Yes, anyone going to Huston with her would have had to pay for the flight there and find a hotel (nearly impossible) to stay. I have no doubt that everyone that helps Bethenny had to wear 1 of her T shirts.

Carole's problem is that Bethenny "talked" badly about her/Adam behind their backs and on camera.

This is one reason I don’t despise Carole as much as some people do. She is very loyal. I am the same way. She will defend her favorite people and will not malign them behind their backs. Unless she feels betrayed. I can’t defend how she spoke about Jules, however.

Also, often she will do the right thing, even if she has nothing to gain.  She gently scolded Ramona for inviting Missy to HB’s, even though she kind of hates Lu.

[A-Lo]

After reading all the comments about Bethenny really being the only one of the cast who has an actual job, I rewatched the episode with that in mind.  What do you think these ladies do all day?  None of them have young children and we rarely see them engaging in any kind of volunteer work (again, except for Bethenny) aside from throwing the occasional dinner or party that might benefit a cause.

[BodhiGurl]

2 hours ago, noveltylibrary said:

She is definitely seeing red!  I think it's dumb to imply Skinnygirl isn't a real accomplishment because it happened on a reality show.   And the line that she 'quietly gives to charity'; it's not quiet when you announce it!  Don't get me wrong Bethenny is a mess in her own way, but I can never stop watching her, unlike Carole who makes for a good bathroom break.  

Yasss.... I feel the same way. I noticed Carole opted out of mentioning how many books Bethenny has published under her name - it's way more than 2... just saying. If she wants to play the tit for tat game... The reunion should be awesome... unless of course they miraculously make up and make it nice before the end of the season...

[lezlers]

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 7:11 PM, JD5166 said:

2 years ago (almost to the day—I only know because my mother passed  5/20/16...missed this news because of it) Adam and his father crashed their small private plane here in Iowa in a cornfield. Assuming his family has money. 

Oh yeah, Adam screams coddled trust fund baby.  Which makes it even more gross that he refused to do charity work without being paid.  Not a good look.  And Carole defending him makes her look even worse.  It's funny, her first couple of seasons she came across as being very socially conscious, giving and down to earth.  Now she's coming across as a spoiled, listless, bratty princess.  My how times change.

[KungFuBunny]

6 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Tamara Tattles did a purple pen on the blog and it is amazing.  I hardly ever agree with TT on ANYTHING and I used to really like Carole but OMG.  I have to agree with 99.9% of that purple pen.  It isn’t a good look for Carole.  She comes off as petty, jealous, and not at all self-aware. 

She comes off as desperate to keep Adam.

[QuinnM]

25 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

He (SH) hasn’t been too vocal about his help but I’m surprised that Bethenny hasn’t applauded him more in her SM for what he did for her. 

She was very cautious on SM using people’s names. She did respond when the donor tweeted. Steve Harvey did a whole show with Bethenny where she thanked him and explained how much was done because of his help. 

[Keywestclubkid]

24 minutes ago, lezlers said:

Oh yeah, Adam screams coddled trust fund baby.  Which makes it even more gross that he refused to do charity work without being paid.  Not a good look.  And Carole defending him makes her look even worse.  It's funny, her first couple of seasons she came across as being very socially conscious, giving and down to earth.  Now she's coming across as a spoiled, listless, bratty princess.  My how times change.

And this is EXACTLY what Bethany wanted and why she brought up Adam at all... oh your gonna be Tinsley best friend well I'm gonna drag you. How do I attack you? well the best way is through Adam..Bethany is a very calculating person. Notice how nothing at all has changed about Carol other then the fact that she is friends with Tinsley. So why now? Why all the sudden does everything that Carol does annoy Beth when just months ago it was all gravy? 

Edited May 18, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[WireWrap]

38 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Steve Harvey was a major donator. He gave her use of his private planes to go back and forth to PR at no expense to her. He generously flew in supplies, and Bethenny and crew to help. His plane was also used to take in relief even when Bethenny wasn’t on it, but was arranging for a continuous flow of food, water, medicine etc to help those in need. He (SH) hasn’t been too vocal about his help but I’m surprised that Bethenny hasn’t applauded him more in her SM for what he did for her. 

Edited to add: She might have paid for some planes, as she stated on Twitter, but she didn’t pay for all the planes. It kind of peeves me that she’s presenting herself to be the sole supporting factor when that’s clearly not the case. Still I’m happy that she got up and did so much that was needed for PR. 

Yes, SH has done a lot and some of that was through Bethenny but this had nothing to do with Huston/Adam not doing her bidding. This was early on when Bethenny tied B Strong to DFS, then HH hit Huston and she flew down to help DFS hand out donations she had trucked down for them, this was before HM/PR, she flew down on a commercial flight, no private planes for her at that point. Adam initially said Yes to Bethenny but then turned her down when he couldn't change his work schedule, so he didn't lose his paycheck/clients, to fit her timeline unless she made up his paycheck. She said no, got pissed off that he turned her down and she branded him a user because of it. 

Bethenny makes it sound like she makes all the decisions concerning the PR trips and that isn't true either. Her partners make all the decisions as to where the donations go, what areas they visit, so and so forth, not Bethenny. Although she is doing a good thing, she isn't the lead in all of this anymore and wasn't when that trip was filmed for the show.

[QuinnM]

9 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

And this is EXACTLY what Bethany wanted and why she brought up Adam at all...

Except that it was pre season red carpet when Carole brought up Bethenny saying something about Adam as the reason for tension. And it was Carole who brought it up and dinner. So if Carole didn’t want Adam dragged into it then she needs to keep his name out of her mouth. But then she really would lose that story line. 

[Martinigirl]

1 hour ago, Kemper said:

I may have missed this in all the upthread posts, but about Duff.  I remember reading her book years ago and liking it.  But what was the very-obvious white patch on her chest for?  Did she have a lumpectomy?  And why was she walking through somewhere with her coat hanging off one shoulder?  Did she have surgery?  I am not trying to be catty...I would just like to know what the physical problem is/was; I hope it is nothing serious.  But the patch was very obviously displayed.  Or maybe she just wanted to wear an off-the-shoulder top/dress!

I'm guessing it is a port....it's the exact same place mine was placed.

[Keywestclubkid]

38 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Except that it was pre season red carpet when Carole brought up Bethenny saying something about Adam as the reason for tension. And it was Carole who brought it up and dinner. So if Carole didn’t want Adam dragged into it then she needs to keep his name out of her mouth. But then she really would lose that story line. 

because she was hearing that Betheny was talking smack and had whatever conflict she has yet to have with her on the show that is now airing. watching this season she has been nothing but complementing of Beth so far even in her talking heads not knowing what was being said behind her back... unless Bethany had a time machine to go back and get revenge on carol for what was said on that red carpet AFTER filming was done this is all still on beth

Edited May 18, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[AnnA]

12 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

 

Maybe it's something they both drummed up for the show... guess we'll find out if there is one big thing that has caused all this. Hopefully.

Edited May 18, 2018 by AnnA

[AnnA]

12 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

Maybe it's something they both drummed up for the show... guess we'll find out if there is one big thing that has caused all this. Hopefully.

Maybe it is.

How many times over the years has production decided it would be good for ratings to break up a perceived friendship and pit two HWs against one another another?   We'll never know for sure but this may just be one of those times.

Edited May 18, 2018 by AnnA

[WireWrap]

11 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Except that it was pre season red carpet when Carole brought up Bethenny saying something about Adam as the reason for tension. And it was Carole who brought it up and dinner. So if Carole didn’t want Adam dragged into it then she needs to keep his name out of her mouth. But then she really would lose that story line. 

Carole may have said something prior to when the show started (aired) this year but she said it after they were finished filming for the season (except the reunion that is), so Carole already knew Bethenny talked smack about her/Adam on camera to at least Dorinda if not others. So, it wasn't Carole who brought it up first, it was Bethenny talking to Dorinda about him on camera!

[Rap541]

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I think she has some sort of autism, she cannot read facial cues or realize what she says is hurtful or stupid, I just think something is not right upstairs with her.  She is awkward physically, jerky even, runs at the mouth often without saying anything, has no idea how to treat anyone in the service industry or people in general.  Ramona somehow has never been punched by anyone, ever...how could that be?  I really think there is something chemical going on there that needs some chemicals, pronto.

As a woman who is often accused by family of "if you were in school now, you'd be diagnosed as autistic" can I say that I could believe this about Ramona? High functioning autism in women and girls looks much different than it does in men and boys. 

[RHJunkie]

13 hours ago, QuinnM said:

I agree.  One of the things B said during twitter was that he said yes and then said no and she was so new with fund raising and things that she took it pretty hard.  I wondered if she thought he said yes and then Carol made him call back and say no.  She didn’t say that but if it had been me I would have wondered why the no.

I did read part of Carole's blog that was posted in this thread and she mentions that Adam tried to rearrange his schedule to accommodate but he wasn't able to due to his existing client schedule. So assuming Bethanny is even remembering her timelines and story properly, that could explain why Adam would have seemed on board to participate and then had to back track. Perhaps once he realized that taking the trip would mean losing salary from a scheduled client, he went back and asked about whether comps were available.

Truthfully, just going off of Bethanny's version of events, even if I can agree that Adam didn't really communicate well throughout the process, I still can't fault him or be angry by his decision. I think Bethanny was so personally involved in this cause that she took things too personally and took offense that others didn't make this cause part of their reality in the same way that she did. The fact that she called out certain women for donating a lot, not so much and not donating at all...that's not cool to do. So as much as I can credit her for her good work involving Puerto Rico, I'm not on board with some of her comments and inferences made about the other women (and Adam) regarding their contributions to her charity work.

[RHJunkie]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Yes, SH has done a lot and some of that was through Bethenny but this had nothing to do with Huston/Adam not doing her bidding. This was early on when Bethenny tied B Strong to DFS, then HH hit Huston and she flew down to help DFS hand out donations she had trucked down for them, this was before HM/PR, she flew down on a commercial flight, no private planes for her at that point. Adam initially said Yes to Bethenny but then turned her down when he couldn't change his work schedule, so he didn't lose his paycheck/clients, to fit her timeline unless she made up his paycheck. She said no, got pissed off that he turned her down and she branded him a user because of it. 

Bethenny makes it sound like she makes all the decisions concerning the PR trips and that isn't true either. Her partners make all the decisions as to where the donations go, what areas they visit, so and so forth, not Bethenny. Although she is doing a good thing, she isn't the lead in all of this anymore and wasn't when that trip was filmed for the show.

I'm pretty sure Bethanny explained in a TH in a previous episode that her role was about gathering donors while her partners managed all the other details. Maybe it lends the impression that Bethanny is the leader of everything because she's being very open about her own experiences of being involved in this project but in fairness, she can only speak to her experiences and she is the one that is a cast member of this show, not her business partners. She explained that she was brought in after the project was started, she said what her specific role was and even when telling Dorinda about Adam asking about comps, she said 'we went back and told him that there were no comps for it' which implies that there is a collective effort that is discussing and making decisions. While I get the impression that Bethanny has taken her involvement too personally which has led to her own judgements about the other women based on who they supported/contributed to her cause, I have never personally been under the impression that Bethanny was the leader or that she was trying to suggest that she was the one calling all of the shots.

[Kemper]

What pastry/donut company would have Carole as a spokesperson or as advertisement cool chick?  She is skin and bones.  She would probably be one of the worst Housewives to be a spokes-model.  Who knows, maybe she loves donuts and volunteered.

[QuinnM]

2 minutes ago, Kemper said:

Who knows, maybe she loves donuts and volunteered.

Or she had Adam as a paid photographer and he can add it to his portfolio. 

[HunterHunted]

7 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

Tamara Tattles did a purple pen on the blog and it is amazing.  I hardly ever agree with TT on ANYTHING and I used to really like Carole but OMG.  I have to agree with 99.9% of that purple pen.  It isn’t a good look for Carole.  She comes off as petty, jealous, and not at all self-aware. 

4 hours ago, BodhiGurl said:

oooooh... Tamra Tattles... BURN.... and IMO, accurate... good read, thanks for mentioning it :)

http://tamaratattles.com/2018/05/17/carole-radziwill-comes-for-bethenny-on-her-latest-bravo-blog/

 

I'm not impressed by TT's purple pen. I thought it was a lot of weak sauce opinions. If you want an actual takedown of Carole with some opinions, but lots of actual receipts, check out @ItIsAboutThePasta in Carole's thread. I generally like Carole, but she can be a hypocrite.

However, Bethenny is a tremendous asshole and for whatever reason Carole's relationships with Tinsley and Adam bother Bethenny. Rather than saying what's actually bothering her, Bethenny decides to wage this weird shadow campaign against Tinsley and Adam. It's immature and nasty. For all of her faults, Carole has repeatedly asked Bethenny if she, Carole, did something to upset Bethenny. Bethenny has continued to answer with a blithe "no" while continuing to spread disinformation and be manipulative. The answer is clearly "yes" based on her actions. She's hurt that Carole seems closer to Tinsley. She's upset that Carole seems only generally interested in her charity work. And I think she wanted more assistance from Carole to help with fundraising in Carole's set of friends, especially among the journalists. That's the thing with Bethenny, her mouth moves a lot and she talks a lot, but she often isn't vulnerable in a real way. She couldn't just talk to Carole. She had to start being manipulative rather than just show that she was a hurt friend. It's unbelievably immature.

Also Luann needs to shut the fuck up about Adam being a "user" and "boring." That's some bullshit revisionist history and retroactive continuity there. He was so boring and such a user that she continued to lay into Carole for dating him and "breaking up" Adam and Nicole. Because that was Luann's fondest wish, that her niece continue to have a romantic relationship with a boring cheating user. It's also why when she listed her objections to Carole and Adam dating, she said that he was boring and a user. Oh wait, she didn't. Luann is a bandwagon hoping bitch. I see what she's doing and I'm not buying it.