S10.E05: Tea for Tat

[psychoticstate]

8 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Even as somebody who writes copy professionally, I still tend to make plenty of grammatical errors (that's what editors are for!). So I'm generally pretty forgiving of other writer's mistakes.  But I'll concede that "Scott and I" is a pretty bad one - especially since that's her opening sentence! 

However, the rest of her blog is pretty on target with what most of us have been saying here about T:

I'm a writer and I make mistakes too - - everyone does.  But not everyone has Carole's haughty attitude.  

She should have used "If anyone is thick as thieves this season, Scott and I are" as her tagline if she really wanted to use "I."  

Disclaimer:  Improper and egregious use of "I" is one of my biggest pet peeves! 

[QuinnM]

3 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

Disclaimer:  Improper and egregious use of "I" is one of my biggest pet peeves! 

Ok, then I’ll ask you.  It is I versus It is me.  I was taught It is I.  That makes Carole’s use correct.  So then I googled it and it says It is I is an archane usage.  So old fashioned and I need to update my grammar?

Carole also goes on about being a war correspondent and how Bethenny is crazy.  So the Carole everyone knows now is chronically late, has limited dietary options, hasn’t ventured outside her artsy enclave to Chinatown in all the years she’s lived in NYC.  So I don’t see her as a good candidate for a trip that requires exact punctuality (they need escorts to travel and all travel has to be wrapped up by nightfall) since they are traveling with bars of gold.  The trip does not include food.  They eat at which ever kitchen has food that day.  There is no cell and I think at the time they were going it was only 20% of the island with power.  I do know that the RHONY camera crew was the only one that went with Bethenny.  

So Bethenny doesn’t blog at all.  Carole has her assignment in at sunrise the day after.  Does anyone know if there are contractual requirements for blogs?

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, ShawnaLanne said:

How do you see them gaslighting Sonja? I don't see the women lying to her to make her think she's crazy. That's Sonja's role.

I'm with you. The only person gaslighting Sonja is herself. 

 

58 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

For all the politically correct women on this show they do not hesitate to malign another's mental illness and use it as a weapon against them instead of trying to help.  Carole can comment about the use of the word "driver" which is not all that uncommon-it is not as if he is assigned to Luann full time and she has a personal relationship with him.  Carole picking nits.  

I get what you're saying about nitpicking, but the use of the word "driver" in that context really bothered me. "Hey, driver...." - just sounded so fucking snobby. If was I riding in an Uber or hired car, where it wasn't a regular driver of mine (thus I didn't know his name), I would have said - "Excuse me, sir?" to get his attention. Just as if I was in a bakery and needed to get the attention of one of the employees, I would say - "excuse me, ma'am?" and not, "Hey, baker!" 

 

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

Is it cool or uncool to host a party, then walk out while everybody is still there?

That party no longer is. It was. 

 

41 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Not to endorse Sonja's behavior but I do think she feels as if she put Tinsley up and Tinsley bonded with Carole.  There were photos of Carole and Tinsley attending some big society ball together, while Tinsley was living with Sonja.

But Sonja was weird with Tinsley from day one. She didn't want to invite Tinsley along when SHE went out somewhere, but if one of the other girls invited Tinsley out, Sonja was miffed if Tinsley didn't bring her along. I don't blame Tinsley for developing bonds outside of that Tragic Townhouse. 

[AttackTurtle]

I'm completely Team Bethenny in the feud with Carole.  Bethenny kept it pretty low key in her response to questions about Carole on WWHL last night.  Carole flat out called Bethenny a liar, which is far worse than anything Bethenny has said about Carole.  Carole always has her blog in, because she gets to be oh so cute and clever with her takedowns of those she feels have slighted her.  I think Bethenny is smart enough to not engage on social media with Carole, but I don't think Carole realizes that her fan base isn't quite as big as she imagines it to be.  

And while I don't like Luanne calling the driver "driver", Carole's new BFF is Ramona.  Luanne is a far cry from being as rude as Ramona is to the lay people.  

[Gem 10]

50 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

Dear Carole - When you have to spend an abundance of time talking about what your relationship is and is not, your relationship is NOT. Plus we don't care anyway.

THX, 

The Viewers  

I think he had enough of living with her and split, but kept it friendly.   Younger girls are probably falling all over him.  

[ancslove]

“Is” is a linking verb, not a transitive verb, so you can use I instead of me.  Common usage says “me”, but this is why the old mysteries always ended with a dramatic “It was I who killed X!”.  

I’m dying for Bethenny to start blogging again!  I wonder if Carole thinks Bethenny got too close to Luann, tying in Bethenny’s alleged criticism of Adam with Luann’s constant digs.

[BodhiGurl]

8 hours ago, diadochokinesis said:

I also loved that she walks over and says that she just wants to leave with her jewelry on and that she is wearing the real stuff and not the fake stuff while making a gesture towards the display.  How obnoxious. This party was at Henri Bendel which is an extremely nice store.  It isn’t like a Sears or JCPenney’s. 

Right! Also - Sonja saying she wanted to leave with her "real stuff" as an excuse to not shop is really only because she has no money to spend on anything in the store - like we're meant to believe she was planning to buy anything. LMAO... Has she spent money on anything really since joining RHONY? I can't recollect us seeing her shopping somewhere (other than suk in Morocco and I honestly don't remember her buying anything). She's always looking for freebies. Free lunch. Free dinner. Free drinks. Free treatments. She showed up at the party for the free food, and any other free stuff they may have been handing out. I'm sure she'd love herself some goodie bags... not exactly wealthy NY woman behavior... 

[LIMOM]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Yes, I was curious about that as well. The way Sonja said it, it sounded like whatever Ramona knew would erase any doubts people had about Sonja's fidelity. So was it that Morgan was cheating as well? They had an open marriage? What? I mean, I can't really think of ANYTHING that would make cavorting in the South of France while someone is in the hospital look good.

I don’t know. Picture this versus that:

 

 

[LIMOM]

5 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Right! Also - Sonja saying she wanted to leave with her "real stuff" as an excuse to not shop is really only because she has no money to spend on anything in the store - like we're meant to believe she was planning to buy anything. LMAO... Has she spent money on anything really since joining RHONY? I can't recollect us seeing her shopping somewhere (other than suk in Morocco and I honestly don't remember her buying anything). She's always looking for freebies. Free lunch. Free dinner. Free drinks. Free treatments. She showed up at the party for the free food, and any other free stuff they may have been handing out. I'm sure she'd love herself some goodie bags... not exactly wealthy NY woman behavior... 

Girl, rich women are the worst when it comes to freebies. Lol.

[Diane Mars]

9 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

I don’t know. Picture this versus that:

 

 

The problem is that you can't have the second one if you dont take care of the first one ^_^

[LIMOM]

Yep, never abandon the money bag. Gold digging 101.

[Gem 10]

21 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Right! Also - Sonja saying she wanted to leave with her "real stuff" as an excuse to not shop is really only because she has no money to spend on anything in the store - like we're meant to believe she was planning to buy anything. LMAO... Has she spent money on anything really since joining RHONY? I can't recollect us seeing her shopping somewhere (other than suk in Morocco and I honestly don't remember her buying anything). She's always looking for freebies. Free lunch. Free dinner. Free drinks. Free treatments. She showed up at the party for the free food, and any other free stuff they may have been handing out. I'm sure she'd love herself some goodie bags... not exactly wealthy NY woman behavior... 

Supposedly she's "juicing", but did you see her stuffing her mouth to the fullest?  I actually felt sorry for her at that moment.     Talking about freebies, has anyone ever seen the Hollywood Elite grabbing all those goodies at the end of Awards Shows?  Disgusting.

Edited May 3, 2018 by Gem 10

[bichonblitz]

Dear Carole,

You are madly in love with Adam. Stop playing us with the carefree attitude and just OWN IT.  

[SweetieDarling]

58 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I get what you're saying about nitpicking, but the use of the word "driver" in that context really bothered me. "Hey, driver...." - just sounded so fucking snobby. If was I riding in an Uber or hired car, where it wasn't a regular driver of mine (thus I didn't know his name), I would have said - "Excuse me, sir?" to get his attention. Just as if I was in a bakery and needed to get the attention of one of the employees, I would say - "excuse me, ma'am?" and not, "Hey, baker!" 

I agree completely! The thing that bugged me worse was how the women behaved when they were entering Ramona's party. These women are so rude to staff. Luann did say "Thank you" to the woman who directed her to the party, but walked ahead of her never looking at her, and she completely ignored the champagne guy. Sonja greeted and made eye contact with the woman, but never thanked her. Carol vaguely acknowledged the wine guy, ("Oh gosh, should I?") but never looked at him or thanked him.  And then there's Ramona rearranging the furniture (decorations) to suite her taste. We didn't see Dorinda enter, but she did say please when asking for a glass of wine.

[LilaFowler]

Who would take relationship advice from Carole? She was/is dating a guy for three years and was just unceremoniously downgraded to a mid-morning jumpoff. What does she know?

3 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Carole claiming Luann should have contacted her after she and Adam's break up-what break up?  Carole claims they had a cooling off period after he moved out-before the Reunion last season and has been bringing her coffee ever since and since the marathon they are seeing more and more of each other.  So was Luann or anyone else suppose to call and say -oh sorry about your decision to re-classify your relationship from boyfriend/girlfriend to not dating others and still seeing each other?

There is a huge difference between a divorce and a reclassification of relationship with an expiration date.  Does the CaroleAdam relationship have a "best by May 20** discard after Dec 20**?  Carole offering the relationship advice when she seems to be a tad clueless making sure like a proper stalker to keep a joint custody pet in the picture.  Guarantees contact and control.

 

The thing is, Carole never admits to wrongdoing. Ever. She will try to justify her responses (or lack thereof) but she won't apologize or say that she was wrong. It is well-known (and confirmed by her former BFF Bethenny) that Carole cannot stand Luann. She isn't in Lu's ear giving her updates about her "breakup" with her boytoy -- how was Luann really supposed to know the status? Meanwhile, she was going through a very public divorce. It's not the same thing but Carole will go to her grave saying that it is and that she deserved a text from Luann, simply because she doesn't want to admit that she was wrong.

 

2 hours ago, lawyergal said:

Sonya complains that Ramona didn't defend her to Dorinda immediately after Sonya had just stated that Ramona had sex with her contractor, Mario. Why hasn't anyone brought this up? This to me seems like a better defense for Ramona. 

And while I typically like Bethenny, she felt sorry for Sonya sitting at the end of the table by herself? A couple of years ago, Sonya missed out on half the season's hijinks - including a trip to the Berkshires - because Bethenny was pissed at her!! So, please, Bethenny, give me a break. 

The only reason Bethenny is cuddling up to Sonja this year is because she doesn't have Carole or Tinsley anymore. Same thing with Carole inexplicably reaching out to Luann and Ramona. They are looking for allies to film with since they don't like to spend as much time together as they used to. It's all very fake.

[Chickabiddy]

5 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

I love the real estate porn from Bethenny, but I am getting sick of seeing her buy/gut/remodel apartments every season.  Also tired of hearing how <<this>> apartment is her "dream" home for her & Brynn...haven't there been several of those already?I know the one she bought when Jason was in the picture had to go b/c of the divorce and bad memories, but what happened to the one she bought after being "homeless" and lived in the hotel?

Bethenny will never settle down into her "dream" home. She will keep moving from one to the other in hopes of finding it, but she won't because something will always be wrong. The problem is that what is wrong is Bethenny. She is the problem, and she can't outrun herself. (obviously) She has so many deep seated issues and traumas that will haunt her from fabulous apartment to apartment until she sorts herself out. I think that deep down she has a certain amount of self-loathing (merited or not) that will prevent her from ever being truly happy - no matter how much money, fame or success she accumulates. It's sad really.

[Pop Tart]

Most everything covered so all I want to add...how about Ramona just leaving “her” party while half the guests were still there? Guess that’s okay since it was really a Bendel party and Ramona’s only contribution was to get people there to buy the stuff so she could get free stuff herself. Her whole scurrying around fixing the decor ahead of time to show she’s the host was all just a cover for the fact that this was solely and only being run by the Bendel folks. 

At a Tupperware party the host has to at least provide the food and stay until the end.

[shoegal]

13 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Who would take relationship advice from Carole? She was/is dating a guy for three years and was just unceremoniously downgraded to a mid-morning jumpoff. What does she know?

The thing is, Carole never admits to wrongdoing. Ever. She will try to justify her responses (or lack thereof) but she won't apologize or say that she was wrong. It is well-known (and confirmed by her former BFF Bethenny) that Carole cannot stand Luann. She isn't in Lu's ear giving her updates about her "breakup" with her boytoy -- how was Luann really supposed to know the status? Meanwhile, she was going through a very public divorce. It's not the same thing but Carole will go to her grave saying that it is and that she deserved a text from Luann, simply because she doesn't want to admit that she was wrong.

 

The only reason Bethenny is cuddling up to Sonja this year is because she doesn't have Carole or Tinsley anymore. Same thing with Carole inexplicably reaching out to Luann and Ramona. They are looking for allies to film with since they don't like to spend as much time together as they used to. It's all very fake.

I believe that the break up with Adam and Carole was in the tabloids at the time, which was I think around the same time that LuAnn's divorce news broke.  If LuAnn and Carole weren't friendly enough for LuAnn to reach out to Carole about Adam, why is it expected that they are friendly enough for Carole to reach out to LuAnn about Tom?  Let's not pretend that LuAnn and Tom's relationship didn't have an expiration date.  Wasn't it LuAnn's friend who told Carole before the wedding that LuAnn would rather go through with the wedding and get divorced later than call off the wedding?  For LuAnn to act like this divorce is some great tragedy is pretty laughable IMO.

However, LuAnn will milk this "you didn't text me" shit until the day she dies....and LuAnn will never admit she was wrong about her behavior re: Carole and Adam.  Just like she couldn't admit that she's still calling Adam names.  

[Ki-in]

15 hours ago, Mozelle said:

Bethenny really is bothered by Carole’s and Tinsley’s friendship. Heh.

Bethenny can’t invite Carole to Puerto Rico because of her supposed need of eyelashes (i.e., being high maintenance)? Carole Radziwill who ran a marathon without a care for false eyelashes? Carole Radziwill who traveled abroad producing news in Cambodia and Afghanistan? That Carole Radziwill?

Must be two Carole Radziwills.

Carole did all of that stuff like what 20/25 years ago? She is drinking HW kool-aid and believing her own press releases, she has become a Real Housewife and is not a journalist in any way shape or form anymore.

And she wore lash extensions during the marathon so she is definitely more than low maintenance at this point.

[Delete]

I cannot STAND prissy pink princess Tinsley. Women don't squeal and act like a 5 year old at a cupcake party unless there is something wrong with them. She makes me cringe every time she's on the teevee.  The sex must be amazing for Scott to put up with that nonsense. 

How much merchandise did Ramona 'borrow' from her Christmas party. She most likely lifted a few items and told Bravo to pick up the bill. 

Bethenny is now selling jeans? She's got so many merchandising ideas. Women don't want the Skinny Girl logo printed on their jeans. I'm so sick of  product shilling on the Real Housewives shows. B kinda of started it all with the SG margarita crap. 

Edited May 3, 2018 by Barbara Please

[missyb]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

 

Carole also goes on about being a war correspondent and how Bethenny is crazy.  So the Carole everyone knows now is chronically late, has limited dietary options, hasn’t ventured outside her artsy enclave to Chinatown in all the years she’s lived in NYC.  So I don’t see her as a good candidate for a trip that requires exact punctuality (they need escorts to travel and all travel has to be wrapped up by nightfall) since they are traveling with bars of gold.  The trip does not include food.  They eat at which ever kitchen has food that day.  There is no cell and I think at the time they were going it was only 20% of the island with power.  I do know that the RHONY camera crew was the only one that went with Bethenny.  

So Bethenny doesn’t blog at all.  Carole has her assignment in at sunrise the day after.  Does anyone know if there are contractual requirements for blogs?

I have the same "blogging" issue with RHOBH. Teddi was the only one blogging . Dorit was for a while and then stopped when the OG's did. It should be a contractual obligation.

Carole also said and shared pictures, in her blog about her experiences in war torn countries. Surely she has the necessary constitution for PR. And I believe that Puerto Rico was the basis for the failure of the relationship. Having been a war corespondent in her early life, to be deemed by Bethenny as unacceptable for a mercy trip must have burned.

1 minute ago, Barbara Please said:

I cannot STAND prissy pink princess Tinsley. Women don't squeal and act like a 5 year old at a cupcake party unless there is something wrong with them. She makes me cringe every time she's on the teevee.  The sex must be amazing for Scott to put up with that nonsense. 

How much merchandise did Ramona 'borrow' from her Christmas party. She most likely lifted a few items and told Bravo to pick up the bill. 

Bethenny is now selling jeans? She's got so many merchandising ideas. Women don't want the Skinny Girl logo printed on their jeans. I'm so sick of  product shilling on RHONY. 

I absolutely loathe to say this but I would be interested in Skinny Girl jeans. I think Bethany has a nice aesthetic , and generally is a nice dresser. I would take a look at er clothing line. ( ducking now  from flying skinny margaritas at my head)!!

[abbottrabbit]

15 hours ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

Do we really need a scene of Luann pretending to look for an apartment in the city every year?

The way they cut from Bethenny talking about renting out her current place / moving to the new one, I was half convinced LuAnn would end up being the "girl" who had agreed to rent Bethenny's apartment. 

 

15 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

If someone threw themselves on the floor because we hadn't seen each other and I surprised them, I'd surprise them again by turning around and running in the other direction en fuego!

It would be like an old Roadrunner cartoon -- there would be a me-shaped hole in the door with vapor trails coming out of it and tire tracks where my feet had been. 

10 hours ago, Mrs Huffnagle said:

This is at least the second party Ramona has "hosted" at Henri Bendel.  Now, I'm wondering if she gets a percentage of the evening's sales.

Ramon is/has been in the business of buying department store overstock and selling it to "second line" retailers (TJ Maxx, Marshalls, etc), right? I wondered if it was an arrangement like that -- here's what hasn't moved, instead selling it to you outright, we'll co-host a "party" in our store with you where we offer your friends a discount. You supply the suckers and collect a percentage of whatever we take in. 

4 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Sonja shows up and is as delusional as ever.  Okay, she is right about one thing - Ramona DOES love to apologize quickly and move on, without ever really changing. But Sonja is too focused on what others have done "wrong" and doesn't seem willing to fix HER issues, independent of what others do. And that final moment, of her telling people that the girls are yelling because, "they don't see enough of me" - it would be sad if she wasn't so vicious on top of it. I just can't bring myself to feel empathy for her any more. She may have some issues, but I think even without those issues she'd be an awful person. 

This. I've always thought that the dangerous thing about Sonja is that she "takes notes." She's not only living in her own past, she's living in your past, and ready to bring up the dirt at a moment's notice, completely absent any context, if she thinks it will score some points. She probably has a filofax with the names of every '80s stockbroker who took Ramona to dinner BITD and got some over the pants action in return.

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I’m still not following Sonja’s beef with Tinsley. She saw Tinsley tweet that she donated $10K to Beth’s PR relief fund. She also refused the check that Tinsley gave her at Ramona’s dinner party, purporting to not want her money, she wanted her love. 

Lu didn’t complain while living with Sonja, because Sonja didn’t treat Lu as if Lu was her inferior.

And thiiiiiiiiis is 100% what I was thinking the entire time. LuAnn didn't complain about living with Sonja because she was there for what? a couple of weeks before she glommed onto Tom? And because she and Sonja knew that their role was to act like sorority sisters / fun girls about town, heading out to party and then waking up and padding around the unheated kitchen in each other's fur vests and so on. 

But with Tinsley, Sonja made up this narrative that she was like. . . I don't know, the Aunt in a Regency Romance novel, launching a debutante on society as a favor to their parents or something. She treated Tinsley like a child who had to be controlled and instructed, set those bizarre parameters about how to treat her "staff", and carped at her constantly about how she wasn't being appreciative. (and honestly, she would have had the win in that situation if she'd only mentioned Tinsley never doing / getting anything for her a) after the fact, and b) ONCE. The fact that she stood in her dated kitchen doling out brown ice and rattling off a list of complaints including Tinsley never even buying flowers for the house means that she, not Tinsley, is the one lacking grace in that scenario). 

[Chickabiddy]

2 minutes ago, abbottrabbit said:

She treated Tinsley like a child

Well, in all fairness to Sonja, Tinsley does act like a child. ;-) 

You can't be all silly grins,, giggles, hair flips, hysterics, tutus, no meaningful occupation, and living in a hotel like bloody Eloise at over 40  and expect to be treated like a independent, fully-functioning, grown-ass woman. :-) 

[abbottrabbit]

Fair play, but if people stopped treating her like a daft, willful child, it might help her step up and stop acting like one. 

[laprin]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Ok, then I’ll ask you.  It is I versus It is me.  I was taught It is I.  That makes Carole’s use correct.  So then I googled it and it says It is I is an archane usage.  So old fashioned and I need to update my grammar?

 

"It is I" is the correct phrase.  However, Scott and I should be Scott and me.  The way I always learned to test this is to drop the preceding object and see if the sentence makes sense. For example, consider the sentence "Ramona told Lu and I that Dorinda hates Sonya."  This is not correct. You can test this by dropping "Lu" from the sentence. It would then read "Ramona told I that Dorinda hates Sonya."  That's obviously not correct, right?  Instead it should read "Ramona told me that Dorinda hates Sonya."  Hence, the correct sentence is "Ramona told Lu and me that Dorinda hates Sonya."  I hope this helps. 

[LilaFowler]

28 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I believe that the break up with Adam and Carole was in the tabloids at the time, which was I think around the same time that LuAnn's divorce news broke.  If LuAnn and Carole weren't friendly enough for LuAnn to reach out to Carole about Adam, why is it expected that they are friendly enough for Carole to reach out to LuAnn about Tom?  Let's not pretend that LuAnn and Tom's relationship didn't have an expiration date.  Wasn't it LuAnn's friend who told Carole before the wedding that LuAnn would rather go through with the wedding and get divorced later than call off the wedding?  For LuAnn to act like this divorce is some great tragedy is pretty laughable IMO.

However, LuAnn will milk this "you didn't text me" shit until the day she dies....and LuAnn will never admit she was wrong about her behavior re: Carole and Adam.  Just like she couldn't admit that she's still calling Adam names.  

Petty tit for tat bullshit. Ever since she joined the show, Carole has made snarky and at times nasty comments about Luann (her voice, the size of her head, etc -- things Luann can't change). This was before the Adam Comments. Luann has apologized several times for what she has said about Adam. Either Carole accepts the apologies and acts like a civil human being or she doesn't. If she's not going to, then she shouldn't be inviting Luann for tea to discuss their nonexistent relationship. What were her objectives with that meeting? To get Luann to apologize again, so she can not really accept the apology again? We get it: Carole hates Luann, always has, always will. It's just very disingenuous to me to call a meeting with someone she can't stand simply because Bethenny won't let her live inside her asshole anymore and she needs to get in some filming time. Even after calling a truce with Luann, she still snarked on Luann for no good reason later in the episode.

[shoegal]

4 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Petty tit for tat bullshit. Ever since she joined the show, Carole has made snarky and at times nasty comments about Luann (her voice, the size of her head, etc -- things Luann can't change). This was before the Adam Comments. Luann has apologized several times for what she has said about Adam. Either Carole accepts the apologies and acts like a civil human being or she doesn't. If she's not going to, then she shouldn't be inviting Luann for tea to discuss their nonexistent relationship. What were her objectives with that meeting? To get Luann to apologize again, so she can not really accept the apology again? We get it: Carole hates Luann, always has, always will. It's just very disingenuous to me to call a meeting with someone she can't stand simply because Bethenny won't let her live inside her asshole anymore and she needs to get in some filming time. Even after calling a truce with Luann, she still snarked on Luann for no good reason later in the episode.

Yet, she keeps saying shit.  Perhaps that's why Carole doesn't accept the apologies. 

Edited May 3, 2018 by shoegal

[Coffeewinewater]

I'm glad Ramona confirmed she was never around Sonja when she was married to her husband.  Why would  Ramona defend Sonja's marriage to Dorinda?  She only has Sonja's word that she didn't cheat .  Ramona isn't getting into an argument about something that has nothing to do with her. 

Ramona is always really nasty to Lu, yes lu is no saint but could you imagine if Lu had a party and invited that woman mario was running around with?  We'd never hear the end of it.  I don't  think Lu would ever do that.

[LilaFowler]

1 minute ago, shoegal said:

Yet, she keeps saying shit.  Perhaps that's why Carole doesn't accept the apologies. 

If Carole is going to dish it out in her THs and blogs, she should be able to take it. She can't, though.

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, LilaFowler said:

If Carole is going to dish it out in her THs and blogs, she should be able to take it. She can't, though.

If LuAnn's going to dish it out, she should be prepared to be called on it.  

Carole takes it just fine, IMO, but she's not having any shit talking about Adam, and I don't blame her for that.  As far as we know, Adam has been a perfectly good boyfriend and person throughout this whole process, and he doesn't deserve shit talking by the bitter betty Countess.  

[WireWrap]

7 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Yet, she keeps saying shit.  Perhaps that's why Carole doesn't accept the apologies. 

Carole keeps saying crap about Luann as well. Carole doesn't have the high ground here, they are at an equal level, they both say crap about each other. At least Luann has apologized, we have yet to hear one from Carole to Luann.

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

Girl, rich women are the worst when it comes to freebies. Lol.

That's how they stay rich!  ;-)

[b2H]

15 hours ago, njbchlover said:

I seriously think that Tinsley does not have a clue as to how old she is.  Hair style, apparel choices, behaviors - she has a severe case of arrested development.  She acts like a 18-22 year old - even to calling her mother over the "surprise visit".  As if that surprise was real.  NOT!!!  

I don't know if this has been stated in Tinsley's thread, but she and her mother were subjects of a Dr. Phil show several years ago.  Her mother was/is a controller from the word go.  This poor girl may be 40 something but she has arrested development because her mother never let her grow up.  She's behind the power curve now and I don't know how she can recover.

[shoegal]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Carole keeps saying crap about Luann as well. Carole doesn't have the high ground here, they are at an equal level, they both say crap about each other. At least Luann has apologized, we have yet to hear one from Carole to Luann.

Actually, that's not true, Carole apologized for not calling LuAnn when she heard they were getting divorced.  This was the first time LuAnn brought it up at the Halloween party, and how many times has LuAnn mentioned it to Carole since Carole apologized? Hmmmm.....

[LilaFowler]

8 minutes ago, shoegal said:

If LuAnn's going to dish it out, she should be prepared to be called on it.  

Carole takes it just fine, IMO, but she's not having any shit talking about Adam, and I don't blame her for that.  As far as we know, Adam has been a perfectly good boyfriend and person throughout this whole process, and he doesn't deserve shit talking by the bitter betty Countess.  

"Perfectly good" boyfriends don't downgrade their girlfriend of three years to a jump-off. Also, if Carole is so fine with the situation with Luann, she'd be ignoring her, not dragging her out for tea.

 

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Carole keeps saying crap about Luann as well. Carole doesn't have the high ground here, they are at an equal level, they both say crap about each other. At least Luann has apologized, we have yet to hear one from Carole to Luann.

Exactly. Carole has never apologized to any cast member on this show for anything. She will argue and deflect but she won't take accountability. She always has to be right.

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, LilaFowler said:

"Perfectly good" boyfriends don't downgrade their girlfriend of three years to a jump-off. Also, if Carole is so fine with the situation with Luann, she'd be ignoring her, not dragging her out for tea.

 

Exactly. Carole has never apologized to any cast member on this show for anything. She will argue and deflect but she won't take accountability. She always has to be right.

Is Adam the one who "downgraded" Carole?  I don't think that's been established.  It sounds like it was pretty mutual agreement, along with the mutual "coffee" aftermath.  There has never been any indication that there is anything but love and respect between Carole and Adam.  

And, Carole apologized to LuAnn at the beginning of the season when LuAnn pulled her poor pitiful me card and berated Carole for not texting.  We see how well the Countess moves on!  LOL!

[TV Diva Queen]

21 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Is Adam the one who "downgraded" Carole?  I don't think that's been established.  It sounds like it was pretty mutual agreement, along with the mutual "coffee" aftermath.  There has never been any indication that there is anything but love and respect between Carole and Adam.  

And, Carole apologized to LuAnn at the beginning of the season when LuAnn pulled her poor pitiful me card and berated Carole for not texting.  We see how well the Countess moves on!  LOL!

I think they agreed to break up because Adam wants kids and while Adam is on his quest for the love of his life and mother of his children, Carole agreed to be a jump-off.  Its not any deeper than that....I see you Carole, you're not fooling anyone but yourself. 

[Gem 10]

51 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

Petty tit for tat bullshit. Ever since she joined the show, Carole has made snarky and at times nasty comments about Luann (her voice, the size of her head, etc -- things Luann can't change). This was before the Adam Comments. Luann has apologized several times for what she has said about Adam. Either Carole accepts the apologies and acts like a civil human being or she doesn't. If she's not going to, then she shouldn't be inviting Luann for tea to discuss their nonexistent relationship. What were her objectives with that meeting? To get Luann to apologize again, so she can not really accept the apology again? We get it: Carole hates Luann, always has, always will. It's just very disingenuous to me to call a meeting with someone she can't stand simply because Bethenny won't let her live inside her asshole anymore and she needs to get in some filming time. Even after calling a truce with Luann, she still snarked on Luann for no good reason later in the episode.

Carole is an entitled snob who snarks and thinks she is above everyone else.  I really don't know why she is even on this show, IMO.  She comes from a different world.

[Ki-in]

Apparently Adam is dating and enjoying it (from next week's preview and this CDAN blind  http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/search?q=carole+radziwell&max-results=8 ) so I think Carole is the one who was downgraded.

 

Carole has done nothing rag on Luann since day 1. She has made fun of her looks and her voice but Luann has never made fun of Carole's looks, just her bitch attitude. Plus the whole "pedafile" comment was never seen or heard by anyone at this public event that was being recorded for the show where it supposedly happened so we only have Carole's word about it but we do have Carole on camera saying she doesn't care about Luann or her niece.

[KungFuBunny]

7 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

That Bendel party was lame.  The store itself looked pretty enough- loved the atrium and the fixtures and the architecture.  As for the goods offered in the little "party room"...meh.  Most of the stuff in there looked like what I have seen in the HomeGoods or Marshalls.  I'm sure the price tags were tripled or quintupled for everything, but those makeup bags especially looked decidedly low end to me. And what was that pink faux collar thing Lu had on?  Are dickies making a fashion come back?  Who needs the top fifth of a sweater wrapped around their neck, and on top of their jacket/coat?  

Oh Sonja.  Those two women who were unlucky enough to be in her path of psychosis...did she even know them?  Was she just rambling to strangers?  They looked like they were hostages in a bank robbery and scanning the room for escape options.

And Tinsley, good thing Carole coached you on how to play it "cute & cool" with Scott.  NAILED IT!

I love the real estate porn from Bethenny, but I am getting sick of seeing her buy/gut/remodel apartments every season.  Also tired of hearing how <<this>> apartment is her "dream" home for her & Brynn...haven't there been several of those already?I know the one she bought when Jason was in the picture had to go b/c of the divorce and bad memories, but what happened to the one she bought after being "homeless" and lived in the hotel? I also don't know why Lu can't find an apartment already!If she can afford it, there shouldn't be a problem.  If she can't afford it, then please stop the charade of Lu's real estate shopping scenes.

Dorinda, I'm trying to stay on your side, but the public sloppy drunkenness is becoming too frequent.  I also am not loving the over-platinum hair and make up this season.  

Romona looked fabulous with the shorter hair in her TH's!  She needs to keep this look up and never go back to her old long hair.  She looked younger and fresher IMO.

For NY and these ladies - it's a must have. Most of them I've never seen wear winter hats - probably because they don't want to mess up the extensions. The coats they wear are more for fashion than warmth. Normal NYers wear infinity scarves and more recently neck scarves - they look like the neck part of a turtle neck.

The rest bolded - Hah!

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, shoegal said:

Actually, that's not true, Carole apologized for not calling LuAnn when she heard they were getting divorced.  This was the first time LuAnn brought it up at the Halloween party, and how many times has LuAnn mentioned it to Carole since Carole apologized? Hmmmm.....

That was not an apology, she excused herself from supporting Luann because Luann didn't reach out to her over Adam, no way was Carole seriously/sincerely apologizing to her.

[esco1822]

33 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Carole is an entitled snob who snarks and thinks she is above everyone else.  I really don't know why she is even on this show, IMO.  She comes from a different world.

A different world from who? She grew up in a working class family, worked her butt off, and became a NY Times best selling author, 3 time Emmy winner and Peabody winner.  And by the way, if you haven't read it, What Remains was a great book and a total heart-breaker.  I suspect her history with Anthony has had a profound affect on Carole's desire to settle down again with anyone. I Imagine spending almost the entirety of your 5 marriage (she found a lump on him during their honeymoon) with the love of your life battling, and eventually succumbing to cancer. Imagine finally losing him 3 weeks after the death of both of your best friends who were literally on their way to be with you. It's a lot of loss in a really short period of time and it's life-altering.  

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, shoegal said:

I believe that the break up with Adam and Carole was in the tabloids at the time, which was I think around the same time that LuAnn's divorce news broke.  If LuAnn and Carole weren't friendly enough for LuAnn to reach out to Carole about Adam, why is it expected that they are friendly enough for Carole to reach out to LuAnn about Tom?  Let's not pretend that LuAnn and Tom's relationship didn't have an expiration date.  Wasn't it LuAnn's friend who told Carole before the wedding that LuAnn would rather go through with the wedding and get divorced later than call off the wedding?  For LuAnn to act like this divorce is some great tragedy is pretty laughable IMO.

However, LuAnn will milk this "you didn't text me" shit until the day she dies....and LuAnn will never admit she was wrong about her behavior re: Carole and Adam.  Just like she couldn't admit that she's still calling Adam names.  

Yea, I'm not really seeing the difference in the two relationships. What, Lu's is somehow more sacred and meaningful because it was legally binding? Marriage means nothing to people these days. Hers would top that list. It was a farce from the beginning and everyone knew it. As much as Carole's coyness about her relationship with Adam bugs me, I see those two as a lot more invested in each other than Tom and Lu ever were. If Carole should have called Lu, Lu should have called Carole. 

 

2 hours ago, abbottrabbit said:

The way they cut from Bethenny talking about renting out her current place / moving to the new one, I was half convinced LuAnn would end up being the "girl" who had agreed to rent Bethenny's apartment. 

Oh thank God I wasn't the only one who had that thought! LOL

In reality, Lu should just stay in a hotel like Tinsley. She even said she wants a furnished place, just bring her clothes and move in. 

2 hours ago, Chickabiddy said:

Well, in all fairness to Sonja, Tinsley does act like a child. ;-) 

You can't be all silly grins,, giggles, hair flips, hysterics, tutus, no meaningful occupation, and living in a hotel like bloody Eloise at over 40  and expect to be treated like a independent, fully-functioning, grown-ass woman. :-) 

Well, you can by Sonja. Because she basically acts the same way. Just replace tutus for French Maid costume (with her bare, bruised ass showing). 

[KungFuBunny]

6 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I did call it at bit "extra" in my original post, but I definitely don't think it was "psycho". I'm a bit of a dramatic personality myself, so if I think about it - I could actually see myself doing something similar. She was just really surprised to see him. 

 

Right? Just more of Sonja's delusions and pretensions. I'm surprised she could even make it to the party. Didn't she have yacht party plans with Diddy....or John-John Kennedy? 

I'm giving Tinsley the side eye on that.

Did she think viewers were so interested in watching them film the hotel service cleaning her apartment and just waiting to cut when the cheese plate she ordered arrive or did she think they'd film her eating said cheese plate and then going to the airport?

Tinsley mentioned that the flowers she kept from Carole stunk - so she throws them into the garbage under the sink and leaves for the weekend? I hope she called the hotel to empty her garbage or she's coming home to gnats

[Natalie68]

17 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

Why do I feel like Tinsley was a bit too psycho and intense for Scott?

Cause she was!  I was embarrassed for her.  

[Sooner Smiles]

IMO Bethenny scored a direct hit on Carol in this episode. She knows Carol’s weakness is her pride in being seen as an accomplished journalist and author, and not just a valid reality star. Stupid Aviva went after Carol with a full frontal attack on the ghost writer accusation which just made everyone say WTF. Bethany implies Carol wouldn’t be able to handle accompanying her to Puerto Rico. Which, to me, was a huge jab at a woman who literally reported from a war zone. I don’t really have a dog in the fight. I like and dislike things about both women. I just had to give a shout out to Bethenny’s game. I’m going to assume Carol was livid when she heard that. 

[ghoulina]

7 minutes ago, Sooner Smiles said:

IMO Bethenny scored a direct hit on Carol in this episode. She knows Carol’s weakness is her pride in being seen as an accomplished journalist and author, and not just a valid reality star. Stupid Aviva went after Carol with a full frontal attack on the ghost writer accusation which just made everyone say WTF. Bethany implies Carol wouldn’t be able to handle accompanying her to Puerto Rico. Which, to me, was a huge jab at a woman who literally reported from a war zone. I don’t really have a dog in the fight. I like and dislike things about both women. I just had to give a shout out to Bethenny’s game. I’m going to assume Carol was livid when she heard that. 

I did kind of side-eye Bethenny when she said that. But she was making several points about her PR choice. I wonder if maybe she meant more that TINSLEY was too high maintenance to come, and Dorinda was picked over Carole simply because of her interest in it. Bethenny did point out that the other women really weren't asking her about it; and I think she just thought Dorinda would appreciate it more. 

[Drumpf1737]

12 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I’m still not following Sonja’s beef with Tinsley.

Because there's no real beef. Sonja is jealous because Tinsley is younger with money to spend and a man in her life.  Sonja wishes she had a trust she could pull from hence her constantly haranguing Tinsley about where her money comes from. I'm surprised the Countess wasn't triggered to explain to Sonja that it's gauche to talk about money. 

I hope one of them meets Sonja for lunch, brings a copy of the  NY Post and reads all the "blind" items that she fed them aloud.

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And while I don't like Luanne calling the driver "driver"

What are you supposed to call them though? You don't know their names when you get in unless it's a Lyft/Uber and that's not what that was. "Hey" seems rude so what's wrong with "driver".  Also as a woman to invite familiarity with men is to potentially put yourself in jeopardy. Better to draw the lines and stay safe. 

Fuck Carole's limousine liberal faux outrage. When she shows up at a Black Lives Matter march or mentions Eric Garner she can act holier than thou until then she should STFU. 

Edited May 4, 2018 by Drumpf1737

[Kemper]

I agree that Tinsley will probably never grow up and become a productive adult.  I didn't know about her mother being controlling or a Dr. Phil appearance!  Jeez.  But...

I have to wonder if Tinsley could change (at this late date) if her family put a tighter rein on the purse strings...maybe insist she do some sort of philanthropic work (volunteer/charity work for us mortals) to earn her money.  How can a person never have a real job?  Yes, it is a dream for most of us, but at least do something productive with your time; it doesn't have to be paid.  But it would involve interacting with people outside your own social class.

I think (before marrying "up") Luann was a nurse; I know Ramona worked; Bethany works for a living; Carol worked (sorry, still cannot stand her) for a living; not sure about Dorinda or what she did before Richard; wasn't Sonja a hostess or worked in a restaurant, etc.  I may be wrong and maybe Tinsley did work or do something other than have a terrible marriage, live in a hotel, and put all her efforts in her latest boyfriend.  Yes, boyfriend for a 40-year-old.  That just about says it all.  It probably isn't her fault; that is what she apparently was brought up to do...marry well.

Of course, isn't the reason we watch this show to get a peek at how women in the NY social scene live their lives?  But a show about a rich woman/child with long gold ringlets (picture Goldilocks) volunteering in a soup kitchen probably wouldn't pique my interest.  Other than maybe being comedy gold.  Sorry.  Catty.

[WhoaWhoKnew]

I'm watching Dorinda's Sonja-rattlesnake analogy.

She sounds like someone's drunk uncle Larry who hasn't been sober since 10th grade, but thinks he has life all figured out.

Edited May 3, 2018 by WhoaWhoKnew