Josiah and Lauren: He Has To Marry Somebody

[lookeyloo]

20 hours ago, Normades said:

At first I read that as clean crisp linens and I thought that must be a change for Josiah.  It does make me wonder what those boys think when they get married and actually get to sleep in clean beds with sheets.  Then I wonder what the husbands of the girls think when they come home and are expected to sleep on a bare mattress!!  Can you tell the no sheets thing really grosses me out???

the girls' dorm seems like it has real bedding, but, do you think the new wives have to remind their husbands to shower before getting into bed?  Or that Austin has to tell Joy to wash her filthy feet?

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

the girls' dorm seems like it has real bedding, but, do you think the new wives have to remind their husbands to shower before getting into bed?  Or that Austin has to tell Joy to wash her filthy feet?

Yep. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if some marryers-in had to remind Duggarlings not to just fall asleep in their clothes in a corner somewhere. Or half on, half off a staircase. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Barb23]

Just reading on another site that a poster thinks Lauren is pregnant because Josiah has prenatal vitamins & a nursery rocking chair listed on his Amazon Wishlist.   

Any way to verify this?  (I'm old & computer challenged. )

ETA:  I know a lot of women take prenatal vitamins while trying to get pregnant so that's really not a reason to think she's pregnant.  But the rocking chair...who knows with this gang? They may have just listed it to get everyone talking (like us.)

Edited February 10, 2019 by Barb23

[Lady Edith]

Maybe the baby stuff is in anticipation of procreation as opposed to an immediate need?  Maybe?

I honestly don’t see Lauren wanting to wait very long to jump on the B Train. 

[galaxychaser]

There will be a blessing shortly. None of them except Jeremy/Jinger waited very long.

[DangerousMinds]

They can’t buy their own prenatal vitamins?

[EVS]

16 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

They can’t buy their own prenatal vitamins?

Then how would people know that they are having sex, I mean trying to have a baby? (Sorry, I have no idea how to do a strike through words.)

[Lunera]

Someone in the comments said she saw them at Disney World 

[Albanyguy]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

They can’t buy their own prenatal vitamins?

If you're a Duggar, you never pay for something with your own money if you can grift it from someone else.

[galaxychaser]

1 hour ago, Lunera said:

Someone in the comments said she saw them at Disney World 

Josiah doesn’t look happy.  Date night hashtag is sad. They should have dated before they got married.

[cmr2014]

29 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Josiah doesn’t look happy.  Date night hashtag is sad. They should have dated before they got married.

The kissing photo is grim. Just like Jill, they need to learn to edit their SM photos.

[BitterApple]

2 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

They can’t buy their own prenatal vitamins?

Lmfaoo, right? Excuse me for a moment while I go put dental floss and q-tips on my wish list. Ffs, Josiah, just go to CVS and buy the vitamins. 

I hate to break it to Lauren, but Josiah's going to be Josh 2.0. I don't mean that he's going to molest girls, but I guarantee there'll be a cheating scandal somewhere down the line. His dead eyes and flat facial expression are carbon copies of Josh's. 

Edited February 10, 2019 by BitterApple

[madpsych78]

2 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

The kissing photo is grim. Just like Jill, they need to learn to edit their SM photos.

Especially Josiah's body language. Lauren at least has put her entire arms around Josiah's body, but he is just barely touching her elbow. 

[BigBingerBro]

Excuse me for asking this as I am a bit out of the loop, but does Josiah work?  Or at least claim to?

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Excuse me for asking this as I am a bit out of the loop, but does Josiah work?  Or at least claim to?

He's one of the myriad of sons who dabble in odd jobs for Boob. Doing what, who knows.

[BigBingerBro]

Just now, BitterApple said:

He's one of the myriad of sons who dabble in odd jobs for Boob. Doing what, who knows.

That's what I figured.  He's also on the show too, so I guess one could count that as well.

[Lunera]

It appears that Lauren had a miscarriage. The new preview shows Lauren and Josiah announcing their pregnancy to their family with a shirt that says 'Mamma in the making' and then cuts to the a scene of Lauren crying and the producers asking her what happened. 

[ginger90]

Previews are often  misleading, on purpose. If this is the case, it’s pretty rotten of TLC. If not, I’m sorry if she did have a miscarriage.

Edited February 11, 2019 by ginger90

[JoanArc]

Yeah, these shows are selectively edited to hell and back. I'll believe it when it's shown. I feel bad for her - to be stuck with Josiah, and have a miscarriage spread around the media  - she's just a teenager, right? Probably already regretting some life choices.

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

Yeah, these shows are selectively edited to hell and back. I'll believe it when it's shown. I feel bad for her - to be stuck with Josiah, and have a miscarriage spread around the media  - she's just a teenager, right? Probably already regretting some life choices.

If she did have a miscarriage, I feel terrible for both of them. If, as we suspect, Josiah was harried to Alert numerous times for being some kind of ungodly misfit he'd likely be tormented by guilt -- or at least agonizing questions -- over a miscarriage, too, given their beliefs. 

Edited February 11, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Saylii]

The Duggar Family FB page confirmed a miscarriage.  I feel bad for Lauren.

[FizzyPuff]

Its true they did have a miscarriage there's a video of them talking about it here: https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/counting-on-josiah-duggar-lauren-swanson-suffered-miscarriage/ 

[Snow Fairy]

But lots od women have early misscariages. How pregnant was she?

My doctor said that it was "natural selection" and it is expected that a woman who tries and has more than one child will have a misscariage in the process.

I have 2 ivf children and 1 lost baby from spontaneus pregnany. So I feel for her. It is hard, even without the "God punishment" idea

[madpsych78]

When Michelle and JB lost Jubilee, they already had 19 children, so it would make sense that their reaction would be very different from Josiah and Lauren, or even when JB/Michelle miscarried Caleb, because they already had been blessed 19 times by the Lord.

[Minivanessa]

That's terrible. Both that she miscarried, and how they have to talk about in public - on a timeline driven by the TLC show. Maybe that worked out okay for them - or maybe they would have preferred a quiet statement (no video) shortly after it happened, or not to have to go public with it at all. 

This is definitely the dark side of the Duggars' role as procreators for Jesus. It's all fine when the babies get born in the spotlight, but not all pregnancies are successful. And apparently it's obligatory for a Duggar wife to make ratings out of a miscarriage too.

The image of that calendar with Michelle's fertility cycle, carefully tracked by her children, and posted on the fridge in the family's kitchen, and featured on their cable TV show, pretty much tells the story of their lives for all the Duggar daughters and daughters-in-law.

FFS, Lauren is only 19. I wonder how many of their leghumpers share the fundie/Gothard views that miscarriage is God's punishment for sin - and are sharing that message with this couple now. I just spent a few minutes going down that rabbit hole of abusive theological bullsh*t, and I can't take much of it, but it has to be hellish if Lauren believes all that. 

I've posted links to a random set of articles about this issue in the religion topic. Might as well not waste my quick research results.

Edited February 11, 2019 by Jeeves
to add link to my related post

[Barb23]

3 hours ago, Lunera said:

It appears that Lauren had a miscarriage. The new preview shows Lauren and Josiah announcing their pregnancy to their family with a shirt that says 'Mamma in the making' and then cuts to the a scene of Lauren crying and the producers asking her what happened. 

A couple of the posters mentioned the pregnancy in the comment section of the Florida pucture.

I never realized they believe miscarriage is God's way of punishing them for sinning.  I know Cathy said something similar about cancer & the devil but what a way to torture these couples. It's bad enough having a miscarriage but then having to believe God took the baby from you because you sinned is just awful.  These people are just unbelievable (in their beliefs.) 

ETA: I wonder if Lauren was allowed to see an OB Gyn after the miscarriage to make sure everything is OK. I know sometimes a D&C is required.  Hoping that Jill didn't just tell her everthing is fine & there's no need to see a heathan professional doctor.

[quarks]

My sincere sympathies to her - having a miscarriage is sad enough without adding this family's pregnancy/baby focus - along with my sincere hopes that going public with this was genuinely her idea, and not something she felt pressured into for the sake of a TV show.

[awaken]

 I agree. I hope that it was their sincere desire to share their experience with the public, and not show driven. 

[JoanArc]

Now that it is verified I do feel bad for her. I'd suggest that miscarriage can be prevented as easily as pregnancy. She's gonna have a lot more if they continue with their current asinine beliefs. Hell, I'm sure Michelle had a few other she may or may not have been aware of.

[BitterApple]

It's sad, but how far along could she possibly have been? They got married in Augusr, she had the miscarriage in October, so seven, eight weeks at most? She must've announced to the family ridiculously early.

[Minivanessa]

According to Wikipedia, they were married on June 30, 2018. She could have been farther along than eight weeks, especially by late October.

Edited February 11, 2019 by Jeeves

[Churchhoney]

36 minutes ago, awaken said:

 I agree. I hope that it was their sincere desire to share their experience with the public, and not show driven. 

Me, too. But I wonder whether anything they do is not show driven. Whether they realize that or not ...,

[PikaScrewChu]

37 minutes ago, awaken said:

 I agree. I hope that it was their sincere desire to share their experience with the public, and not show driven. 

This is the Duggars. They're the Kardashians of the fundie world. 100% show driven.

Granted Jilly Muffin made a statement about announcing early even if she miscarried because sanctity of life and blah blah blah.

[Annb67]

I'm sorry she miscarried, I truly am. However, and I'm going to sound like an insensitive bitch but these people announce their pregnancies sometimes barely into a month. Look, I've had numerous miscarriages so I get it. However, just sitting around waiting to get pregnant while everyone else waits for you to announce fuels this crazy announcing while your pee stick is still wet and your maybe one day late. Just....slow...down.

[madpsych78]

But she never publicly announced she was pregnant. Didn't she just tell the family?

[JoanArc]

49 minutes ago, Annb67 said:

I'm sorry she miscarried, I truly am. However, and I'm going to sound like an insensitive bitch but these people announce their pregnancies sometimes barely into a month. Look, I've had numerous miscarriages so I get it. However, just sitting around waiting to get pregnant while everyone else waits for you to announce fuels this crazy announcing while your pee stick is still wet and your maybe one day late. Just....slow...down.

These are the same people who like to crow about sex having consequences, so YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ABORTION EVER, KAREN. Miscarriage is a consequence of sex, too. They need to one-up Anna and name it, though.

Edited February 11, 2019 by JoanArc

[PikaScrewChu]

1 hour ago, madpsych78 said:

But she never publicly announced she was pregnant. Didn't she just tell the family?

Yep. I imagine they were prepping for an announcement after the Jabbie wedding special.

I really hope these two are taking the time for themselves. They're so young. Lauren shouldn't be worried about getting pregnant ASAP.

[ginger90]

I hope if a pregnancy announcement was filmed, TLC doesn’t air it.

[PikaScrewChu]

Just now, ginger90 said:

I hope if a pregnancy announcement was filmed, TLC doesn’t air it.

Oh no. It's even better. They filmed Lauren in a talking head alone sobbing about it. No 'Siah in sight.

As much as I find their belief system abhorrent, have a little humanity TLC.

[Minivanessa]

30 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Yep. I imagine they were prepping for an announcement after the Jabbie wedding special.

I really hope these two are taking the time for themselves. They're so young. Lauren shouldn't be worried about getting pregnant ASAP.

I agree with you, but sadly, that ship has sailed. Lauren's job is to make babies for Jesus and the Duggar TV show. She knows it, and got pregnant ASAP which sadly ended in a miscarriage. As we've discussed above, in their theology that means that she and Josiah are being punished by God for having sinned. I'm sure they are going to do their best to have a successful pregnancy which will be God's blessing them after all.

9 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Oh no. It's even better. They filmed Lauren in a talking head alone sobbing about it. No 'Siah in sight.

As much as I find their belief system abhorrent, have a little humanity TLC.

It's not humanity. It's television. Ratings and revenue rule. The more drama the better. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Oh no. It's even better. They filmed Lauren in a talking head alone sobbing about it. No 'Siah in sight.

As much as I find their belief system abhorrent, have a little humanity TLC.

That's depressing as hell. And she's really just a kid. And I do feel bad for her situation. 

At the same time, she eagerly signed up to be on TeeVee.

I don't for one minute believe she married because she's attracted to or sympatico with or even "likes as a friend" her hubby. 

He's a Duggarling, and she and her family wanted to rub against the Duggars to get the money-attracting FAME to rub off. She and her family married her into the clan on purpose because they've seen them for a decade-plus on the TEEVEE. And she and her family want a piece of that action.

Now she's ON TeeVee, just like she and her family wanted. And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if she's getting off a bit (or a lot) on telling her story to a million people. 

I don't for one minute believe that if she'd said, "NO. I will NOT share my current emotional pain with the TeeVee audience," that the production staff would have gone very far in forcing the issue.

Of course they would want to film it. That's what reality TeeVee is. But I doubt the contract says that you have to film absolutely everything. And if they do try to get you to spill in a talking head, you can clam up or leave the room. Various Duggarlings and plenty of other Reality TeeVee folks have been bitched about by viewers over the years for being too reserved and not spilling their guts. So it can be done. 

And you do have the option of turning down the contract. Lauren and Josiah are two able-bodied and, it seems to me, fairly smart people. If they don't want this kind of thing to happen, they can make their living in some other way. 

We'll see if they sign on for the next "season" of the show. If they do, then obviously Lauren didn't mind the gut-spilling all that much. 

Edited February 11, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Temperance]

@Churchhoney Actually they've known the Duggars for a long time. The Swansons are IBLP. They've met at conferences. Lauren's father, Dwain Swanson, runs a ministry with Michelle's nephew.  So she married Josiah, because he's IBLP royalty and probably was a little into the television side as well. 

I agree they're okay with sharing it with the world. Not everyone cares about sharing pain publicly. 

[Lunera]

3 hours ago, BitterApple said:

It's sad, but how far along could she possibly have been? They got married in Augusr, she had the miscarriage in October, so seven, eight weeks at most? She must've announced to the family ridiculously early.

Lauren started pinning baby stuff on her pinterest around mid September and then quickly deleted it. That's possibly when she found out. I think the miscarriage happened shortly after Jabbie's wedding. 

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

I hope if a pregnancy announcement was filmed, TLC doesn’t air it.

Of course they'll air it. They waited all the way until the season premiere to tell us about the miscarriage for ratings. These people can't quietly announce anything. 

[ginger90]

This was posted an hour ago:

[Lunera]

The miscarriage happened in October shortly after they announced. There is a video of them talking about it.

https://m.eonline.com/news/1013274/counting-on-s-josiah-and-lauren-duggar-reveal-she-suffered-a-miscarriage-in-october

https://www.tlcme.com/shows/counting-on/articles/josiah-and-lauren-duggar-open-up-about-miscarriage

[Annb67]

And how sick that they realize everyone just expects them to get pregnant. This makes me angry. Yes, kids are great, they are awesome, wouldn't trade mine for the world. However, christ on a cracker. .experience some life first. Discover a hobby..get an education. Do SOMETHING beside just sitting around taking pregnancy tests.

[questionfear]

SUUUUPER terrible thought-Didn't it get reported they live in an apartment now, not JB's fixer upper? Did JB boot them because of the miscarriage? It feels like the sort of evilly petty thing he would do, especially since he (on the outside) appears to really dislike Josiah. 

[McManda]

I know babies are their life and The believe god has a reason for everything, but would it ever occur to them that maybe god decided to not bless them with a baby because it wasn't time? Like, she's 19. Maybe god doesn't want her to have a baby at 19, hence the miscarriage. 

I don't really belive that an all-powerful deity is controlling my life, but if I did I would probably believe that if he was, it was the big picture that he was controlling and that he gave me free will for the small things. There's no way he's sitting around deciding what I'm eating for breakfast. So in that vein, if I use my free will to do something not in my grand plan, maybe that's when he steps in. 

So if I'm 19 use my free will and get pregnant ... oops, maybe that wasn't supposed to happen. Maybe not in that moment, maybe not ever, but he tried to correct my course by undoing it. Just a (heathen devil's advocate) thought.

I do feel sorry that she has to experience a miscarriage under the rules of fundyland, though. A miscarriage is hard enough without thinking you've let people down or it being penance for your wrongdoings. Doubly so if you're pretty sure someone is going to make a storyline out of it.

[mythoughtis]

Nice to see Josiah acknowledge that miscarriages are not anyone’s fault. He specifically says that - so he’s not a believer of the ‘sin’ theory.     I’m sorry that they lost their baby. I’m sorry they feel the need to explain why they aren’t pregnant. I think he felt like he had to explain- because every tabloid, every fundie gathering is screaming the question at them.  We want them to be different, but we pester them to death with ‘why aren’t you pregnant, courting, engaged, married, etc yet?’ 

[madpsych78]

6 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Nice to see Josiah acknowledge that miscarriages are not anyone’s fault. He specifically says that - so he’s not a believer of the ‘sin’ theory.     I’m sorry that they lost their baby. I’m sorry they feel the need to explain why they aren’t pregnant. I think he felt like he had to explain- because every tabloid, every fundie gathering is screaming the question at them.  We want them to be different, but we pester them to death with ‘why aren’t you pregnant, courting, engaged, married, etc yet?’ 

I can only imagine what Jinger (at least) was thinking at this point in her marriage to Jeremy. I feel like she was never pregnant in the first year, because I feel like we would have heard had she miscarried. 

All things considered, I felt like Josiah's (or Lauren's?) message was pretty heartfelt, and I agree that Josiah's message about miscarriages being no one's fault is a pretty healthy stance to take.