S12.E20: Reunion Part 1

[WireWrap]

44 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

Well, yes, some details are indeed ambiguous or outright incorrect. 

Shannon is an unreliable narrator to the point of incoherence but she has maintained for the entirety of her duration on the show since coverage of the 2003 incident first broke in 2013 (even prior to the broadcast of her debut on the program) that David never made physical contact with her during that episode. Period, end of story according to Shannon. She even called commenters who asked about that history "morons" just last year for suggesting  that domestic violence in fact did occur. I personally find it difficult to believe that a wealthy white man would find himself in a position that mandated acceptance of plea deal without some form of corroborating evidence but, consistently and definitively, the only account provided regarding those events has been Shannon's ... and it is not that "David did come after Shannon"; it is that she telephoned 911 to stop a verbal argument. 

There were not two "separate" occasions vis-a-vis the second disturbance that was introduced into the narrative. It was a conintuous chain on the same night. Shannon and David had sent their daughters to stay with Shannon's mom in Nashville. Shannon and David were a night or two away from departing for Hawaii when Shannon, yes, got drunk and then, coming in and out of blackout (since she says "I can't remember what happened" regarding what transpired between the restaurant and charging into the door), later that same evening tried to beat down Adaline's bedroom door after David locked himself inside. http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/episode-21/videos/shannon-tells-what-really-happened

Although I find Shannon to have a propensity for retconning when it's situationally convenient in order to make herself look better, her own narrative is that she drunkenly went after David in the second episode and crazily, irresponsibly called 911 on him despite no threat of physical peril during the first. 

Vicki explained on the bus that she had shared the incident with Kelly in order to provide background on why she, Vicki, was supposedly afraid that David could have hit her, Vicki, during their argument at the '70s party. This was a patently stupid assertion because Vicki was the one invading David's space at that event. 

Kelly, on said bus ride, yelled to Shannon that Vicki had informed her "your husband beats the shit out of you." Whether that was Kelly's own articulation or a direct quote, I don't know. 

All of this makes me wonder if Shannon is really the aggressor when she gets drunk, not David either time, but Shannon.

[Jextella]

18 hours ago, dabmusic said:

Wow, some of these stories are made up.  David did come after Shannon years ago, hence why he had to go to anger management.  Shannon did get drunk at a bar or café, She was found walking somewhere unknown and thinks she fell as she had bruises.  David found her blocks away.  The incident at the house was separate and she did call Vicki with a witness.  People were angry at Vicki for not calling 911 when Shannon told her David was hitting her.  Vicki did not tell Kelli that David beats the crap out of her, she told Kelly about the one incident.  I'm not a Vicki fan but something in my gut tells me there is truth behind these so called rumors.  I think there has been frustration, hate, feeling of being trapped and alcohol for quite sometime in that marriage.  Why isn't Shannon equally angry at Tamra and Heather for sharing the gossip the first season she was on?  Heather told her friends at lunch about Shannon.   Personally, this season has been a bust because Shannon and Tamra decided to ice Vicki out, get Kelly onboard. 

Totally agree that there is truth in all this....somewhere. We aren't getting the full picture though.  What I'm leaning toward is that both are at fault in some way.  Shannon drinking too much and then nagging on David, David responding physically in some way, etc.  Maybe not hitting Shannon but coming close....something like that. 

I do believe that Vicki felt concern for Shannon - which Shannon didn't understand because Vicki is a horrible communicator.  I also think Vicki had some concerns for Meghan and her marriage to Jim.  In her own way, I think Vicki was trying to stick up for Shannon and Meghan at various times this season (although in a very poor and unsuccessful manner) - the 70's party being one of them.  Shannon and Meghan went into defensive mode and couldn't see this.  They lashed back at Vicki, and it's been downhill ever since.  Ironically, I also believe Vicki is telling the truth when she says she likes Eddie.

For such a bust of a season, we all sure talk about it a lot.  I was curious and ran some ratings numbers based on what I found on this site http://allthingsrh.com/rhoc-ratings/.  Data only goes back to Season 6.  Numbers are season averages.  Cast lists are from Wikipedia.  

I'm not sure how all this translates for casting decisions.  Odds are there is much more to it than just average ratings, e.g. surrounding buzz, social media, etc.  but the show sure took a nose-dive after Gretchen and Alexis left.

S12 - 1,673,053 - Vicki, Tamra, Shannon, Meghan, Kelly, Lydia, Peggy
S11 - 1,775,095 - Vicki, Tamra, Heather, Shannon, Meghan, Kelly
S10 - 1,820,500 - Vicki, Tamra, Heather, Shannon, Meghan
S09 - 1,755,048 - Vicki, Tamra, Heather, Shannon, Lizzie
S08 - 1,898,227 - Vicki, Tamra, Gretchen, Alexis, Heather, Lydia
S07 - 1,971,091 - Vicki, Tamra, Gretchen, Alexis, Heather
S06 - 1,942,375 - Vicki, Tamra, Gretchen, Alexis, Peggy

Edited November 20, 2017 by Jextella

[Natalie68]

13 hours ago, dabmusic said:

Wow, some of these stories are made up.  David did come after Shannon years ago, hence why he had to go to anger management.  Shannon did get drunk at a bar or café, She was found walking somewhere unknown and thinks she fell as she had bruises.  David found her blocks away.  The incident at the house was separate and she did call Vicki with a witness.  People were angry at Vicki for not calling 911 when Shannon told her David was hitting her.  Vicki did not tell Kelli that David beats the crap out of her, she told Kelly about the one incident.  I'm not a Vicki fan but something in my gut tells me there is truth behind these so called rumors.  I think there has been frustration, hate, feeling of being trapped and alcohol for quite sometime in that marriage.  Why isn't Shannon equally angry at Tamra and Heather for sharing the gossip the first season she was on?  Heather told her friends at lunch about Shannon.   Personally, this season has been a bust because Shannon and Tamra decided to ice Vicki out, get Kelly onboard. 

I think the facts lie somewhere in the middle.  My problem is Vicki using this as a weapon against Shannon.  She didn't care to help Shannon, she wanted to hurt her.  People were pretty respectful to Vicki in the beginning of the Brooks brouhaha and weren't doing it to hurt her (maybe Tamra, she seems to get pleasure in that), but did it to help her figure out B is/was a loser until Vicki double downed on B and just wanted a casserole..  Then they were done.  Vicki sinks to below low when fighting so I think she is a shit person.

[breezy424]

Seeing those previews clips...boy, both Lydia and Peggy are quite the condescending two.  And I guess my understanding of Christian principles are very different from Lydia.  And I only comment on it because Lydia keeps putting it out there.  She came back to promote the stupid magazine because neither she or her husband have much going on business wise. 

Maybe Peggy grew up in an insulated environment but she supposedly went to UCLA for four years and what did she do after she got out of college?  I also find it very interesting that at times she loses most of her accent.  She plays a role but I don't think many people are buying it.  And I don't think she had any desire to be a housewife.  That was Diko because he's the one who really wants fame.

[ivygirl]

On 11/17/2017 at 0:04 AM, Hockey Addict said:

Ok, not a fan of Sparkle Pony but Meghan's bible comment turned me off. Okay Meghan, so what if Lydia had told you to use your brain and not let a psychic tell you what to think? Hmmmm. 

This. You could also replace "psychic" with "Instagram hashtags."

On 11/17/2017 at 6:29 AM, IKnowRight said:

Lydia and Peggy have every right to their opinion and feelings, to not want to acknowledge/participate in any activities they feel interfere with the word of God.  Lydia did engage in pleasantries with Meghan's friend and should have no regrets about taking a stand based on her religious convictions.  I do see why Meghan sees it as hurting her intuitive friend's feelings, or the psychic friend's reputation but Lydia wasn't rude in that instance.  There's nothing wrong with not being comfortable about certain people or activities, it's her right.  I'm also surprised because I think Meghan went to a Catholic school outside of St. Louis like her sister the soccer player attended, she should get it.  

 

Typically, in real life, Lydia just would have declined such invitations but in this case, they are on a reality show and you can't say no often if you want to keep your orange.  Of course, this means Lydia is going to be asked questions and that's where the challenge begins with those who disagree.  People have a right to their principles but it's going to clash with this format, having talking heads where you have to explain your positions, popular ones or not...

 

Where I think Lydia loses people is that she often contradicts conventional Christian standards.  For example, calling someone out for being crazy and pushing people away instead of helping them out.  She has been outright mean spirited with her approach towards handling Shannon with the exception of the first scene of trying to help her at the Quiet Woman.  (I already have seen this behavior with the way she let her friend Alexis hang out to dry and delivered her to a raging Tamra in her last season) People that I know that host prayer groups or claim to bring people together, keep their negative thoughts to themselves and don't ramp up agitated people.  They tend to be helpful and deescalate not contribute to arguments in public.  Not to mention the constant talk of balls/insistence on a vasectomy only to push for a designer baby the minute Doug's been clipped!  But...she's on a reality show, she's also stirring the pot, interrupting, so she thinks it's game on!

 

On 11/17/2017 at 11:49 AM, zoeysmom said:

Pretty much since she interrupted and did not let Meghan finish her thought.  I believe all Meghan was trying to say was that as her friend and guest in her home she could zip it.  The woman wasn't exactly Allison DuBois -predicting the end of people's marriage and making death predictions.  I thought Lydia lost huge points with her saying she was okay with calling Shannon "Mayor of Crazy Town" and her various other insults directed at Shannon.  Whether she said them to her face or not it is not a friendship builder.  Then she turned around and blamed Shannon for not wanting to hang out with her.*  Lydia doesn't seem to have any problems with her mother's unusual view of life.  It is okay for her mother to say someone has a bright light and then turn around and claim the person is a lost soul.  Seems she would be use to new age behavior by now.  

On 11/17/2017 at 1:04 PM, la patineuse said:

I agree that both Lydia and Peggy have the right to voice their opinions when they feel uncomfortable about participating in some of the activities on the show that are in conflict with their values and faith (in contrast to Tamra and Vicky who profess to be Christians, but still consult with psychics).  However, they aren't as consistent in their Christian values in other parts of their lives---namely how they treat other people.  And for all of Lydia's distaste of Kelly's boob party, that didn't stop Lydia from conceiving and hosting Doug's tacky 'balls voyage' party.

These posts sum up how I feel about Lydia. I wanted to like her, as she's pretty open about her faith and claims that it guides her life. And I respect that she has religious convictions. But geez, the way she treated others (like Shannon) this season completely turns me off. Her attitude towards both Shannon and Meghan in this clip was obnoxious as well. Being Christian doesn't mean you need to be besties with everyone--but it does have standards of kindness and compassion, and speaking truth with love, and plenty to say about pride... so no amount of Lydia's "owning" (groan) her feelings can cancel out what I consider a poor and hypocritical attitude. She speaks so imperiously when she believes she's right about people. 

[lunastartron]

Not to mention, I thought Meghan was opposed to Heather appointing herself sheriff of the morality police so why is Meghan assuming the role of spirituality arbiter? 

[lunastartron]

19 hours ago, WireWrap said:

All of this makes me wonder if Shannon is really the aggressor when she gets drunk, not David either time, but Shannon.

And this is why I'm done (fucking done! *gasp* *sob*) with Shannon and have been since last year's reunion. If she were a man or David had admitted to such behavior,  that behavior would be well near unanimously condemned as abusive. And rightly so. 

Per her own assertions, she is the dangerous partner in the narrative of the Beador marriage. 

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, lunastartron said:

And this is why I'm done (fucking done! *gasp* *sob*) with Shannon and have been since last year's reunion. If she were a man or David had admitted to such behavior,  that behavior would be well near unanimously condemned as abusive. And rightly so. 

Per her own assertions, she is the dangerous partner in the narrative of the Beador marriage. 

I suspect that this side of Shannon, aggressive, comes out only when she is really drunk and very, very angry with men that cheat on her. I would not be surprised to learn that David was cheating on her back then as well. That doesn't mean that Shannon losing her grip, getting aggressive is ok but that would make more sense. And, we don't know that she physical hits him when she gets this way, she just may be verbally aggressive, still bad but not at the level of physical aggression. I know a few women that slam doors and stomp from room to room while yelling but they never lay a hand on anyone and I suspect that is Shannon as well. 

[SheTalksShit]

So watching the reunion preview, Lydia is pissing me off. 

10 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Seeing those previews clips...boy, both Lydia and Peggy are quite the condescending two.  And I guess my understanding of Christian principles are very different from Lydia.  And I only comment on it because Lydia keeps putting it out there.  She came back to promote the stupid magazine because neither she or her husband have much going on business wise. 

Maybe Peggy grew up in an insulated environment but she supposedly went to UCLA for four years and what did she do after she got out of college?  I also find it very interesting that at times she loses most of her accent.  She plays a role but I don't think many people are buying it.  And I don't think she had any desire to be a housewife.  That was Diko because he's the one who really wants fame.

I'm done with Lydia. She looks defensive and condescending as hell in the preview clips and brings nothing, nada to the show. 

[mytmo]

Amazing that anyone else can sit on that couch with Lydia with that plank in her eye.  Funny how she misses a whole bunch of Bible teachings like using words to edify and lift up, humbleness and the whole love one another lesson.  The gospel according to Lydia - no thanks.

[Duke2801]

6 hours ago, SheTalksShit said:

So watching the reunion preview, Lydia is pissing me off. 

I'm done with Lydia. She looks defensive and condescending as hell in the preview clips and brings nothing, nada to the show. 

For real.  This pretty much sums up how I feel about Lydia.  

[lunastartron]

Just caught the rebroadcast of the Mystic Mistake episode in the pre-reunion marathon. 

For the record, Vicki and Kelly both said among themselves that they didn't attend the dinner specifically because of the psychic's presence. Kelly declared that the prospect was "scary," Vicki that it was "not Biblical." In a talking head, Vicki further said that psychics are "quacks" who "can take your money and say whatever they want."

Peggy politely declined to submit to an aura reading when Michaela offered and explained in her confessional that "God is her psychic" i.e. His will is predestined (so, presumably, she doesn't need to foresee the future by proxy). 

Lydia greeted Michaela and happily engaged with her during the supper but noted in her TH that she "doesn't really even want to be around" clairvoyance but that "it's important to Meghan" so she attended in support of her friend. 

It will be intersting to see the entire dispute between Lydia and Meghan since, from my subjective opinion, neither Lydia nor Peggy behaved objectionably and Vicki/Kelly were far more egregious. 

[Kairay]

Fricking Lydia. "My features don't translate" Your whole fricking personality doesn't translate!!!! Who has their husband complete a visectomy and then unfreezes their sperm??? 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Vicki’s birthday party dress great flashback  :  backfat, pooch highlighting, body con Saran Wrap shininess vision how nice to see that little number again hahahaha why Vicks why!?? 

[Straycat80]

I just noticed on my TV guide that there is only two parts of this reunion instead of the usual three. Kind of glad because I’m over Lydiot and dimwit Peggy. 

[nexxie]

Am I the only one thinking that the big pain in Briana’s neck might be named Vicki?

[Pickles]

Peggy looks awful. So masculine or something. Lydia is so irritating. Such a tiny head and face and overwhelmed by hair. Annoying voice. She needs to go! Please go!

[Kairay]

This show is driving me to drink my whole box of wine. Thanks for forcing me to do this Vicki!!

Edited November 21, 2017 by Kairay

[ivygirl]

Wow. My opinion of Lydia was not helped by the full video. Does she not realize how horribly she comes across when she tries to be Sparkle Pony but thinks that it’s ok to call someone psycho and Mayor of Crazy Town if you say it to their face? 

[ivygirl]

OH NO. Kelly goes for the juggler. LOLOLOL

[psychoticstate]

4 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

OH NO. Kelly goes for the juggler. LOLOLOL

I was just coming here to post that.  Yep, Tamra.  Go for the juggler.  Or sun-theen.

[HunterHunted]

13 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

OH NO. Kelly goes for the juggler. LOLOLOL

Like this

or this

[PhilMarlowe2]

On 11/19/2017 at 1:29 AM, lunastartron said:

Kelly, on said bus ride, yelled to Shannon that Vicki had informed her "your husband beats the shit out of you." Whether that was Kelly's own articulation or a direct quote, I don't know.

I've always suspected that was Kelly's own way of re-framing the info. Though we will never know for sure. It just "sounds" like Kelly.

[sasha206]

Am I the only one who thinks Shannon looks the best out of the reunion?  Tamra's face lift didn't do her any favors.  I hope that she's going back to the shorter hair she sported during WWHL a while ago.  She looked much prettier; not sure whether this was filmed before or after that appearance.  Kelly's fillers need to calm down; one side of her face looks different than the others.

Lydia is just unattractive; her face is aging rapidly and looks even worse.

[JD5166]

Did Vickie just make Shannon’s divorce about her? Why yes....yes she did. She’s pretty amazing! LOL 

Poor Shannon, you go girl! Find someone worthy of you! I am going thru the same kind of shit (minus kids) but am crying at her raw emotions. The only problem on my end is I haven’t got lots of money to make it just a litte easier....! 

[sasha206]

Holy hell.  David said "We've had a couple of good months."  What a fucking jackass.

[Straycat80]

This is heartbreaking listening to Shannon. Sounds like Tamra is her real friend and there for her. 

[JD5166]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

Holy hell.  David said "We've had a couple of good months."  What a fucking jackass.

Fucking Dick! 

[ivygirl]

Vicki is off the show.

Until next season.

[Straycat80]

Vicki isn’t going anywhere, she’s too much of a fameho. 

[nexxie]

I really hope Shannon finds her true love - after she spends some healing time getting to know herself.

[sasha206]

I realized while watching this show that it went from Vicki and Tamra's show to Shannon and Kelly show (although Kelly is pretty quiet tonight). Shannon, warts and all, at least brings authenticy to this show.

Edited November 21, 2017 by sasha206

[LilaFowler]

I had hoped that the divorce was equally Shannon's idea, if not entirely. Sorry to see that I was wrong. He left her. I wonder if she sees what a jerk he was to her, or that she deserves better, or if she still wants him back after all of this.

Vicki was really pissing me off when she was making both Kelly and Shannon's revelations about her. She is a true narcissist.

Meghan was no match for Lydia in that argument. It was kinda awesome to see.

[nexxie]

8 minutes ago, LilaFowler said:

I had hoped that the divorce was equally Shannon's idea, if not entirely. Sorry to see that I was wrong. He left her. I wonder if she sees what a jerk he was to her, or that she deserves better, or if she still wants him back after all of this.

Vicki was really pissing me off when she was making both Kelly and Shannon's revelations about her. She is a true narcissist.

Meghan was no match for Lydia in that argument. It was kinda awesome to see.

I was sort of hoping Meghan would slap that self-righteous sneer off Lydiot’s face.

[Bronzedog]

Hate to be a bitch.  Well, not really.  I am what I am, but, I’m really tired of hearing the Tamra/daughter crap.  Also, Shannon’s weight has been a topic all season, but, Vicki  looks like a linebacker.  No way that she hasn’t packed on some pounds.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, lunastartron said:

Just caught the rebroadcast of the Mystic Mistake episode in the pre-reunion marathon. 

For the record, Vicki and Kelly both said among themselves that they didn't attend the dinner specifically because of the psychic's presence. Kelly declared that the prospect was "scary," Vicki that it was "not Biblical." In a talking head, Vicki further said that psychics are "quacks" who "can take your money and say whatever they want."

Peggy politely declined to submit to an aura reading when Michaela offered and explained in her confessional that "God is her psychic" i.e. His will is predestined (so, presumably, she doesn't need to foresee the future by proxy). 

Lydia greeted Michaela and happily engaged with her during the supper but noted in her TH that she "doesn't really even want to be around" clairvoyance but that "it's important to Meghan" so she attended in support of her friend. 

It will be intersting to see the entire dispute between Lydia and Meghan since, from my subjective opinion, neither Lydia nor Peggy behaved objectionably and Vicki/Kelly were far more egregious. 

Yes, Vicki dislikes psychics so much she had one to her home after her mother died! LOL

 

 

 

Poor, poor Vicki, she is so jealous of the time/attention that Andy gave Shannon that she made Shannon's/David's breakup all about her. Too bad she couldn't even muster up some tears even when she tried stabbing herself with the tissue corner. LOL 

 

ETA, last part was not directed to you, Lunastartron, PRV just merged 2 of my posts. LOL

Edited November 21, 2017 by WireWrap

[LilaFowler]

5 minutes ago, nexxie said:

I was sort of hoping Meghan would slap that self-righteous sneer off Lydiot’s face.

Like Meghan hasn't spent the vast majority of her time on the show being self-righteous. Her ass got owned tonight by the bigger bitch. Ha!

[SnarkAttack]

24 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Am I the only one who thinks Shannon looks the best out of the reunion?  Tamra's face lift didn't do her any favors.  I hope that she's going back to the shorter hair she sported during WWHL a while ago.  She looked much prettier; not sure whether this was filmed before or after that appearance.  Kelly's fillers need to calm down; one side of her face looks different than the others.

Lydia is just unattractive; her face is aging rapidly and looks even worse.

I agree.  Tamra had too much make-up on.  Usually the way it works is when you're young, you wear more make-up to look older; when you're older, you wear less make-up to look younger!

[enchantingmonkey]

They should have given them one of those special Watch What Happens episodes.  I don't know why they'd spend the money on a full blown reunion for this awful season.  

Shannon made my eyes water a little.  Not only did she get dumped but he wouldn't even allow her the delusion of believing they had a few good years.  Heartless!  I was pleased she owned that she was lashing out at others because of her pain over the disintegrating marriage.  

Andy is such an awful interviewer/host.  Just terrible!

Who lied and told Kelly she should wear that dress out of the house???

[Bronzedog]

Andy is such a little shit stirrer.  He's talking to Tamra about her daughter.   "So, you're daughter has stated she doesn't want to be mentioned.  So, here we are talking about your daughter.  How do you think she'd feel if she knew we were talking about her?  Which daughter is it that doesn't want to be mentioned?  Whew! What else do you think your daughter wouldn't want you to mention about her?".  And, on and on.

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, Pickles said:

Peggy looks awful. So masculine or something. Lydia is so irritating. Such a tiny head and face and overwhelmed by hair. Annoying voice. She needs to go! Please go!

OMG, Peggy's hair could not have been done by a professional, right? 

I saw no difference in Tamra's face.

None of the women could muster up a real tear.

I predict that Vicki will be getting her neck done after she watches the reunion.  When they showed the clip of her in the red dress at her birthday party I was shocked that nobody said anything about how awful she looked.  

[Ubiquitous]

On 11/18/2017 at 8:00 AM, diadochokinesis said:

In my opinion, Shannon was taking ownership.  She said she was unhappy and she was taking it out on everybody.  She apologized to those she went off on.  Instead of listening to her, Vicki had her judgmental face on.  She could have even just tried for a neutral, blank expression but nope, she had to full on judgmental.  I don't think Vicki really has the right to be judgmental of anybody in that crew considering everything she has done. 

I would have believed Vicki's sympathy for Shannon were she not a cancerous conwoman.

[njbchlover]

11 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Andy is such a little shit stirrer.  He's talking to Tamra about her daughter.   "So, you're daughter has stated she doesn't want to be mentioned.  So, here we are talking about your daughter.  How do you think she'd feel if she knew we were talking about her?  Which daughter is it that doesn't want to be mentioned?  Whew! What else do you think your daughter wouldn't want you to mention about her?".  And, on and on.

I thought this was horrible, and as annoyed as I was with Andy, I was more annoyed with Tamra.  If she truly wanted to reconcile with her daughter, she could have not answered.  Instead, we got more "tears" and a rather lengthy diatribe about Sydney and what went wrong again.

Tamra basically made her choice - she chose being a reality star over her relationship with her daughter (or, I bet that's the way Sydney sees it).  

Tamra could have just said to Andy "I won't discuss this out of respect for my daughter, in the hopes of possibly reconciling with her one day."

[Ubiquitous]

I have to hand it to Tamra ("what is this hand?") for shedding tears this time.

Or was that glitter from her eye makeup?

[poeticlicensed]

I feel so bad for Shannon. She has always struck me as someone who struggles with self esteem. David the douche leaving her must be devastating. 

Kelly otoh, is ready to party. Kelly needs to do the single ladies thing with Shannon . 

I feel no sympathy for Tamra. Her daughter specifically said to keep her out of the public eye and Tamra of course did whatever she wants. 

Lydia can go away anytime now. And peggy too. Megan is meh. I figured since she moved away, she is gone anyway. 

Vicki can threaten all she wants but we all know she's not going anywhere as long as they want her in the cast. I seriously do not understand why Vicki is so determined to get married...to anyone who asks. 

Edited November 21, 2017 by poeticlicensed

[JAYJAY1979]

I hope Shannon finds true love....herself.  if not for her,  at least for her three daughters.  

Vicki...no words

Kelly seems ready to party, but I did like Tamras advice to Kelly.

T amra said in season 8 she never wanted to get oin Lydia s bad side...youd think Meghan would question why T amra of all people d oesnt even want to tangle with Lydia lol

[breezy424]

I felt for Shannon and believe or not, Kelly.  Divorce is hard and it's especially hard when you have children. 

I even felt for Tamra.  Really Andy?  Continue to ask questions about Tamra's daughter not wanting her mother to discuss her on TV?  I know many will disagree about Tamra answering his questions but I would have just a hard time as well as a mother.  I can't imagine what it would be like to have one of my children to not want to have any relationship with me, especially at her daughter's age.  That pain would cut so deep.

Thank goodness that only a few minutes, if that, were devoted to Peggy.

Sorry Lydia.  You are a hypocrite and condensing fake.  You remind me of the members of the church who go to Mass on Sunday and then cut someone off in the parking lot afterwards.  You talk about the bible.  You need to read further about what Jesus stood for.  I don't recall Jesus saying that it's ok because you said it to their 'face'.  That's not practicing the teachings of Christianity.  Christianity is about going deeper and trying to understand what a person is going through.  Not declaring them crazy to their face.  I really hate having this discussion but Lydia keeps putting her 'faith' out there.   Sorry Lydia but you're not living Christianity. 

[lunastartron]

1 minute ago, breezy424 said:

I felt for Shannon and believe or not, Kelly.  Divorce is hard and it's especially hard when you have children. 

I even felt for Tamra.  Really Andy?  Continue to ask questions about Tamra's daughter not wanting her mother to discuss her on TV?  I know many will disagree about Tamra answering his questions but I would have just a hard time as well as a mother.  I can't imagine what it would be like to have one of my children to not want to have any relationship with me, especially at her daughter's age.  That pain would cut so deep.

Thank goodness that only a few minutes, if that, were devoted to Peggy.

Sorry Lydia.  You are a hypocrite and condensing fake.  You remind me of the members of the church who go to Mass on Sunday and then cut someone off in the parking lot afterwards.  You talk about the bible.  You need to read further about what Jesus stood for.  I don't recall Jesus saying that it's ok because you said it to their 'face'.  That's not practicing the teachings of Christianity.  Christianity is about going deeper and trying to understand what a person is going through.  Not declaring them crazy to their face.  I really hate having this discussion but Lydia keeps putting her 'faith' out there.   Sorry Lydia but you're not living Christianity. 

 

25 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Andy is such a little shit stirrer.  He's talking to Tamra about her daughter.   "So, you're daughter has stated she doesn't want to be mentioned.  So, here we are talking about your daughter.  How do you think she'd feel if she knew we were talking about her?  Which daughter is it that doesn't want to be mentioned?  Whew! What else do you think your daughter wouldn't want you to mention about her?".  And, on and on.

Tamra has made "parental alienation" and, thus, her relationship with Sidney a primary plot point for her presence on the show over the course of multiple seasons.

Why shouldn't Andy ask about it? Tamra has displayed no hesitation whatsoever about presenting her distance from Sidney as a narrative.

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1 hour ago, sasha206 said:

Holy hell.  David said "We've had a couple of good months."  What a fucking jackass.

No kidding.  The best thing in the world is for Shannon to develop a sense of self-worth - no man, or anyone else needed.

Going totally against the grain, but I think Lydia came off way better than Shannon and Meghan during round 1 of the reunion.  Lydia's no dummy and she out argued them, IMO. 

Tamra dug her grave about 10 feet deeper for me.  How she is handling the situation with her daughter is crazy to me.  

I liked Kelly, finally.  I especially like how she hasn't held a grudge.  I would very much like to see Vicki and Shannon make up as I think they actually have the most in common of any of them and they could be good support systems for each other.  I think Kelly could be a good 3rd wheel in that as well. 

Meghan and Peggy were non-entities tonight.  I guess we'll see more next week.

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Were the packages designed to end with Vicki being humiliated? I'm not really complaining.

• Vicki coming out in her fire engine red sausage casing dress to thunderous silence and indifference at her birthday party
• Vicki asking Steve to marry her and Steve responding with a "Huh?"

This is what I think of when I see Lydia and her enormous chompers.

 

36 minutes ago, enchantingmonkey said:

Shannon made my eyes water a little.  Not only did she get dumped but he wouldn't even allow her the delusion of believing they had a few good years.  Heartless!  I was pleased she owned that she was lashing out at others because of her pain over the disintegrating marriage.  

David is a tremendous asshole. He doesn't have the balls to talk to Shannon when he's unhappy to fix their problems nor does he leave when he's merely unhappy. Instead, David stews in his unhappiness until he's a rich hearty cassoulet of misery that he shares with everyone. They had a good couple of months? Fuck him. Why did he stay to raise 3 kids closer to adulthood than not if he only had a couple of months of happiness to power him through his nearly 2 decades of misery with Shannon? Everyone else on the set seemed to be upset by the news of David and Shannon's split except for stone faced Peggy who didn't understand because she and Diko have been happily married/divorced for 22/21 years.