Spoilery Stuff: Media, Social And Otherwise

[RealReality]

Thanks @mamadrama for the recap.  I know it's probably a lost cause, but if anyone has the link I'd like to watch.  I feel like we're going to get the most boring edit at the actual tell-all. 

[RealReality]

I watched the preview.  I was surprised that ash apologized for anything.  That was a point in his favor.  

I get the impression that ash is good in the sack, but everything else is a mess and I think that is why he was so upset that Avery wouldn't stay in the same hotel room with him. 

He figured he could smooth things over with some great sex and her spending the night alone allows her think logically and pragmatically about the situation.  That is not good for ash because if she really thinks this through, logically, there is no chance she sticks around.   

I'm not sure I'd like someone like Avery in real life, but I'd admit that she is physically attractive and has a decent job.  She can get plenty of guys in the US who do not have these issues.  

Erika and Stephanie.....if it were anyone other than Stephanie I'd be sympathetic.  

I think that conversation sounded like someone trying to slowly raise the temperature so that they don't just stick the frog in boiling water.  

I'd think, at this point, Magda knows something is up.  The way that conversation went down.....and the "confession" that never happened.....with her "friend" who is going to "stay with her" in America.....come on, she knows something.  

Erika is "making sure she takes all her vitamins" first off, Stephanie is nearly 30, she ought to be ashamed that anyone has to remind her about her medication. 

But I also don't think that that's something the average friend does.  I mean I can see if you have an illness that leaves you debilitated, but a chronic condition like this?  No.  I've never had a friend remind me to take my insulin... probably because I'm a damn adult, but that's really more like romantic partner type stuff.  

I also think that given the fact that Stephanie seems to have grown up in a conservative and judgmental household her being stiff and judgmental makes sense.  I'm glad she wasn't a joyless wet blanket at the game night.  

But, this is Stephanie.....and I think she is an attentionsexual so I don't take her segments at face value. 

[Gobi]

4 hours ago, RealReality said:

He figured he could smooth things over with some great sex and her spending the night alone allows her think logically and pragmatically about the situation.  That is not good for ash because if she really thinks this through, logically, there is no chance she sticks around.   

But Ash knows she can't think logically and pragmatically with that emotional spaghetti strand brain of hers. 😀

[Frozendiva]

4 hours ago, Gobi said:

But Ash knows she can't think logically and pragmatically with that emotional spaghetti strand brain of hers. 😀

She needs his meatball.

[AZChristian]

4 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

She needs his meatball.

He keeps it in the frozen food section of the boxes in his brain.

[Armchair Critic]

On 5/9/2020 at 5:07 PM, kendi said:

Still not finished watching it but just gotta say, if this was an in-studio tell all show, Ed would not be popping off the way he is. He's a keyboard warrior.

Lisa would be fighting people in the green room just like Angela.

Lisa is awful. Crude and rude and smug. I know Ed was annoying but I pretty much agreed with everything he was saying to her. The way she was telling the host Shaun to shut up and was so combative to others I do believe she would be physically fighting people if they had gotten together in person.

[kendi]

15 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

Lisa is awful. Crude and rude and smug. I know Ed was annoying but I pretty much agreed with everything he was saying to her. The way she was telling the host Shaun to shut up and was so combative to others I do believe she would be physically fighting people if they had gotten together in person.

I agree with you about Lisa but Ed is the biggest hypocrite. He acts like he's some big prize and knows exactly what people should do. I can't take anything he says seriously and his constant need to outshout everyone (reminds me of Sheldon on Big Bang, "Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny, Penny.." until he's heard) like he's going to reveal some nugget of knowledge drove me crazy. The fact that he's created even more fake accounts on IG (and now he's attacking Erika) to talk even more shit about his fellow castmates solidifies my opinion about his ugliness. I'm not even talking about his disgusting hygiene and his appearance.

[jumper sage]

On 5/10/2020 at 3:38 AM, RealReality said:

I get the impression that ash is good in the sack,

I think not.  He is probably the kind to get his.

[RealReality]

54 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

I think not.  He is probably the kind to get his.

Avery suggested it was amazing. 

I think that he likely sleeps with or slept with some of his  "clients" and because I don't think he would seriously be paid for good relationship advice I think he is paid for good sex.  A moron with bad sex isn't going to make enough to pay the bills.  But I suspect these women forgive a lot because he is good in bed.  

I also can see him having a meltdown because he knows that sex is the one thing he is good at and once a woman doesn't want that anymore from him, she won't be dickmatized and will take off.  

I've overlooked things in the past for good sex, so I can see how it can happen. 

[jumper sage]

6 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Avery suggested it was amazing. 

MY EYES, MY EYES. Yuck.

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, RealReality said:

I think that he likely sleeps with or slept with some of his  "clients" and because I don't think he would seriously be paid for good relationship advice I think he is paid for good sex. 

I wonder how many of his clients (who probably have to pay "up front") just fell asleep during foreplay while Ash was explaining his brain boxes and their spaghetti brains.  And then telling them in his soothing voice, "Please let me know during our encounter if something I am doing pleases you a lot, or conversely if you are not comfortable with something I am doing.  I am here to please you and to show you how fulfilling a male/female relationship can be.  Thank you for leaving your money on the dresser when you came into the hotel room you paid for, and thank you for this opportunity to be here and to be of service . . . "

Her:  "z-z-z-z-z-z."

[Gobi]

9 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

I wonder how many of his clients (who probably have to pay "up front") just fell asleep during foreplay while Ash was explaining his brain boxes and their spaghetti brains.  And then telling them in his soothing voice, "Please let me know during our encounter if something I am doing pleases you a lot, or conversely if you are not comfortable with something I am doing.  I am here to please you and to show you how fulfilling a male/female relationship can be.  Thank you for leaving your money on the dresser when you came into the hotel room you paid for, and thank you for this opportunity to be here and to be of service . . . "

Her:  "z-z-z-z-z-z."

“Please click like and subscribe if I made you feel like a natural woman.”

[AZChristian]

1 minute ago, Gobi said:

“Please click like and subscribe if I made you feel like a natural woman.”

Yes!

Or rate me on Yelp!

[politichick]

On 5/9/2020 at 2:07 AM, mamadrama said:

A complete write up...

Part 1: David

A lot of time was spent on David. Asking David the same questions, hoping he’d get a clue. Instead he doubled down on his delusion.

David started in this endeavor by going on two trips with a friend over 20 years ago. He states he did not like it - 25 guys meeting 400 women in a big bar. He said it was horrible - he called the women aggressive and professional daters. He went on another trip with 10 guys meeting maybe 40 women in different cities. He describes receiving catalogs of women and selecting specific ones to meet on the trip. A friend he met on one of these trips introduced him to a web site in 2007.

Lana does not work for the web site or get paid. According to David, the web sites are US sites, they contract through the agency that vets the “girls”. He insists Lana derives no income from the web site or agency. It’s illegal for him to contact her directly? He pays in order to not be scammed.

He has known Lana for 7 years. She was too young at the start - he won’t “date” anyone under 25. He wasn’t talking to Lana for 2.5 years. He’s “dated” 30 girls in Ukraine when he wasn’t talking to Lana. He’s been to Ukraine 20 times. He’s been engaged twice to women over there (and twice in America.)

David says Lana is very poor. Has very few clothes and possessions. She only has five pairs of shoes and gets a new pair of sneakers every 3 years or so. She doesn’t speak English. He bought her an iPhone to talk directly but she doesn’t like the keyboard because of her long fingernails. She can’t talk directly to him on the computer because the agency owns the laptop and monitors activity.

He’s spent $250,000 to $300,000 on “dating” on these sites. He claims he’s a millionaire so the money is no object.

Friends of David appear. Then disappear.

Cesar appears. David had talked to Maria years ago. Said she was high maintenance.

Yolanda and Usman join in. Usman has poor connection. Usman leaves.

A wild Tom appears. Tom compliments Yolanda’s weight loss. Says he’s not hitting on her, just complimenting her.

Tom doesn’t watch much of the show. Says David is his “fast forward couple”.

Cesar says he visited Maria. Maria wasn’t happy he showed up. But she met him, they took photos, she asked to see his phone and he realized later she deleted the photos. They spent 10 days together, he got a couple of pecks on the cheek and lips? But no intimacy. Specified no tongue. Maria was “pissed off” that he showed up, refused to meet Cesar it the cameras were there. Wanted him to buy her a $500 pair of shoes and $300 dinner.

Tom asks if he packed the chocolate panties. Cesar said he took the beaded candy ones.

Yolanda said Cesar DMd her and left his phone number. Cesar says Yolanda is beautiful and that he “loves chocolate” with a Pervy laugh. But he says he was just reaching out as friends. Shaun asks Cesar if he DMs Tom. Tom confirms that he did, and that the alumni reach out to each other.

Shaun asks Yolanda would date Cesar, she replies with an emphatic no.

David went back to Ukraine and met Lana. They kissed, no other intimacy. He proposed, she accepted (they show clips.) Lana is still on the dating sites. David is still on the dating sites because Lana is. Lana is still on the site because that’s where her only friends are, David basically describes her as a shut in with no friends.

At one point later in the show he drops the bombshell “love has nothing to do with it.”

Ed appears. He’s holding Teddy (against the dog’s will) on his lap. Ed shouts into his mic. He yells about David being scammed repeatedly for the better part of 18 minutes.

David gets excitable. Yells about this being bullshit. Yells at Tom that Darcey was still talking to other guys.

The current status of the relationship? David thinks they’re not together. He hasn’t communicated with Lana in 6 days. But their engagement hasn’t been broken. So they’re engaged but no longer together?

Lana refuses to participate because she’s getting hate mail from guys who have seen the show accusing her of being a scammer.

Stephanie appears.

Stephanie says she thinks it’s disgusting that Lana is being discussed like she’s a commodity. Points out that their relationship is transactional. David and Ed are screaming at each other over her. Stephanie Commends David for not worrying about spending $100,000 while Ed freaked out about spending $2.

A clip of David proposing to Lana with a prop fake ring shows.

Return to Ed and David arguing.

Usman appears.

David is getting heated.

Bottom Line: David’s retiring to move to Ukraine, but started the K1 process.

Shaun wraps the segment with David still arguing at the 3-hour mark. Shaun leaves (possibly to drink heavily - I would be if I was her.) I forgot to note that Tom made a remark to Ed about him not being able to see his toes. It was a joke, but went completely missed by everyone else.

David, Ed, Stephanie and Usman chit chat. Usman sings a bit.

Part 2: Yolanda

We resume at 3:30 with Yolanda.

Yolanda has the flu at the beginning of December. She was in a coma for a month and was on a ventilator for 3 weeks. Her kidneys and liver were failing. Her doctor now believes she had Covid-19.

She did not hear from Williams during that time. She heard from him just a couple of months ago. She didn’t tell him about her coma, he was talking about his aunt dying so it “didn’t come up.”

He didn’t reach out directly, he went through “sweetberry” (?) on Instagram to ask if he could contact her again.

Yolanda’s daughter and a PI the daughter hired join in. PI says the accounts have ties to Nigerian scammers.

Usman joins. He knows nothing about Nigerian scammers, doubts they’re Nigerian.

Usman leaves. Darcey joins. She’s wearing a platinum blonde wig, primping a bit, trying to center herself on the bed she’s sitting on. She’s nodding along to absolutely nothing, shaking her head and smiling periodically like she’s involved in a totally different conversation than we are seeing.

Daughter and PI leave. Shaun asks Darcey what she thinks about Yolanda and Williams. Darcey goes into a spiel about being a target and people on IG preying on her. Starts talking about Jesse and Tom. Says she spent a lot of money on Jesse, says she helped Tom financially and bought him clothes and gifts. Goes into a tangent of non-specific items, won’t provide a direct answer on how much she spent but finally claims she spent $2000 on Tom.

Erika appears.

Shaun tries to get back on the topic of Yolanda and Willams. Shaun asks Erika about her opinion on The Williams mystery IG account and the blackmail.

Darcey uses that opportunity to talk about being targeted by a “network of people” that was calculated by “people in different countries to target certain people around the world.”

“Maybe Nigeria was a part of it, Maybe England was a part of it”. After Tom Darcey says she met someone who targeted her, says it was a couple she knew and Tom was a part of it, says IP addresses traced to Nottingham and there’s a network of people targeting women around the world.

Darcey claims her second time in Amsterdam she was robbed while shopping after Jesse told her to leave her passport if she was going out shopping. Later says pickpocketed. Implies that the robbery was a setup by Jesse.

Shaun tries to redirect the subject back to Yolanda and Williams.

Lisa appears.

Lisa jumps right in with her expertise about Yahoo Boys, G-Men and grooming people. Darcey drops off and Usman reappears.

Lisa’s gravelly voice takes on a fake Nigerian accent as they yell “baby love” at each other.

Lisa goes on about her social media expertise. Explains the three different cultures of Nigeria. She tells Yolanda to join the Facebook Group SSA: Scamming Scammers Action that Lisa is a big part of.

They convince Yolanda to try to call Williams on speakerphone. No answer.

Lisa is also an expert in African and Nigerian accents FYI.

Erika leaves. David reappears.

Lisa dominates the conversation. Keeps recounting conversations and events of hackings and stuff.

Lisa starts talking about Blood Rituals. Sacrifices. Money rituals. Voodoo dolls. Kidnappings. Killing people to bring luck in scamming people. They believe in black magic and juju. Lisa and Usman keep interrupting each other. Usman has never heard of this. Lisa insists this is real. Go to SSA on Facebook, all the proof is there.

Yolanda, David and Shaun are stunned silent.

Usman is trying to fact check Lisa’s completely far-fetched theories. Lisa purses her beak.

Finally, Shaun redirects.

Yolanda says she’s done. If she hears from Williams again she’s done.

Yolanda is getting DMs all the time offering to FaceTime her. David tells her to go get her Groove back in Jamaica. Yolanda and David both get DMs encouraging them to hook up since they’re both in Vegas.

We are 5 hours 10 minutes in. Let’s see a clip! We see Lana before she met David. She’s at the gym. She’s walking around Kiev in a silver puffer jacket and Nikes. She using her iPhone (with her short nails) to take pictures. She’s shopping for makeup. She’s sipping a latte in a cafe while typing on her laptop. She’s talking to a friend on her iPhone. She talks about America. She knows that you can get married quickly in Las Vegas. She tells her friend she has an exciting day tomorrow “I’m meeting an American.” Her friend asks if he’s wealthy.

Shaun points out the inconsistencies in Lana’s apparent poverty and David’s understanding of her circumstances. David says “that’s not real”.

We spent the next 10 minutes or so with Yolanda, Usman, Lisa and Shaun trying to talk some sense into David. It doesn’t work.

Shaun leaves for a break.

Ash appears. We spend the next while discussing quarantine. Ash hadn’t heard about Yolanda being sick, his eyes get wide when he hears her coma tale.

They’re talking about lockdowns and restrictions and being able to go where you want. David thinks they’re talking about Ash being able to visit the US on his Australian passport.

Lisa’s ex-husband just got out of prison.

David lives in a rental house that’s being sold in a month.

Yolanda asks if people read their tweets.

Lisa has a stalker with 25 accounts. Lisa now has her phone number and address. She’s going to have her arrested and “put charges against her”.

David gets death threats.

Back to Yolanda and the Covid.

David leaves.

Tom returns. He asks how many bottles of lube Lisa and Usman used raw dogging it. She said none - I’m guessing she just peed on him a la Dinyell.

More R-rated banter. Lisa tells Tom to ask about Usman refusing to join the mile high club.

Ash looks stunned into silence. Maybe a bit frightened. He’s retreated to his nothing box.

Usman trues to explain about the 70%, that it’s a B and a compliment. Tom asks why she paid twice the going rate for a goat.

Lots of goat talk. Peeing goat talk. Showering the goat. Walking in sandals through mud and goat shit.

Tom makes a crack about not being the only cast members showering with animals. Ash asks about Ed showering with Rosemarie’s father? Then his feed goes out.

Lisa starts talking about gross food. Tom are goat brain in Albania. Lisa starts everything with “Usman, tell them about the time...” then just talks over him to tell the story herself.

Stephanie appears.

Ed appears.

Usman leaves. Lisa tells them about the armed convoy everywhere they went. Ed wants to know about the goat. More goat tales.

Keep going to part 3...

Part 3: Lisa and Usman

7 hour 10 minute mark.

Shaun is back with Lisa and Usman. We lose Usman.

Lisa had surgery.

She hurt her baby toe before going to Nigeria. Ruptured a blood vessel. It swelled up in Africa. Returned to the US with a dead/dying toe. Got infected, went gangrenous, was amputated.

Usman returns.

The next segment is insufferable.

Usman says Lisa calls him a N***** frequently. Lisa screams about opening a can of worms.

Usman asks if American women are all like this.

Lisa and Usman are married but keep blocking each other.

Lisa is Usman’s first serious relationship.

Lisa freaks out about women on Usman’s comments and in his DMs.

Says she’s seen the other girls Usman dated, they’re “3 times my size”.

They fight about Trish Playtas.

Lisa talks over Usman. Yells, curses, threatens.

Enter Giant and Aba (?) after 25 minutes of toxic bullshit.

Lisa talks about getting “gangbanged” by them. I do not think that word means what she thinks it means (She obviously meant "ganged up on", since it wasn't a raunchy joke accompanied by her crackly cackle.)

Lisa has a screaming match. Hangs up because she was “mistreated and disrespected”.

Enter Lisa’s friend Nikki.

Nikki screams about disrespect for the next forever. Lisa returns.

There’s endless raspy screeching about bitches, clowns, motherfuckers and more disrespect. Fuck you. Fuck outta here.

Shaun loses all control.

Aba and Nikki scream at each other some more.

Shaun gives up. She is writing something just below the screen. I suspect it’s her resignation letter.

Finally Shaun redirects the conversation. She brings up the polygamy.

If Lisa has an egg and can tote it, Usman doesn’t want another wife. If Lisa can’t squat and hatch Usman’s offspring, he will take another wife.

Cue Lisa’s expertise on polygamy.

Clip Roll: the night before the wedding, Lisa storms off and disrespects Usman’s brothers the night before the wedding.

Lisa cackles.

Avery and Ed appear.

Usman and Lisa keep arguing.

Shaun asks Avery’s perception. Avery asks “where is the love?” All she sees is them screaming over each other and assert themselves.

Before Lisa can respond Ed jumps in.

Lisa calls the kettle black and says Avery and Ed aren’t portrayed well.

Ed started to watch the show after he decided to be on it.

Ed compliments Usman for being calm and respectful and not using any foul words.

Lisa Cackles. Ed calls her a bull in a china shop “no disrespect”. Says he thought she was the definition of a narcissist, but says she’s actually the definition of delusional.

Lisa interrupts. Usman starts singing. Lisa and Ed scream over each other. Lisa tells Avery to shut up, says she went on Ed’s live drunk and making an ass of herself. Ed keeps screaming “delusional”. Lisa calls Avery a drunk. Avery tells Usman “not all American women are like that”, Lisa rebounds with “that’s why Ash dumped your ass.” Ed tells Usman there are many more nicer women.

Ed: she treated you like a piece of shit. She treated you like a slave.

Lisa: you are a piece of shit!

Ed: you made America Sick!

Lisa: Ed Fuck You! Fuck You!

Lisa: you abused Rose to go on this show because no fucking other woman would! You fucking used her (x 5). Shut the fuck up.

More screaming over each other.

Usman begs Ed to calm down.

Lisa: you’re going to let this fucking pervert who’s got charges for sexual harassment... you’re going to let this idiot come at me with the fucking charges he’s got? This fucking pervert has been grooming women. The women are coming out of the woodwork saying Ed has molested them, he’s groomed them, and god only knows what the fuck else he did to them.

More screaming.

Ed: the internet is fake!

Lisa: Harry (producer) remove these two right now!

Lisa calls them Thing 1 and Thing 2 and demands Harry remove them.

Ed gets cut.

Lisa continues to scream at Avery about glass houses.

Tom appears.

Usman is yelling now.

Shaun tries to gain control.

Tom: I was nervous delivering that letter to Darcey but coming in to this conversation is wild!

Shaun brings up the polygamy subject again.

Lisa might move to Nigeria for The Other Way.

Shaun disappears.

Avery drops.

Lisa says “Tom, this is all for show. It’s a dog and horse, pony show I call it.”

Tom blows smoke up her ass. His idea of love is apparently jealousy, anger and disrespect.

Shaun is back. Darcey appears. Usman is singing. Darcey is swaying to Soja Boy, slurring, “do it big! Lisa, Be the queen!”

Darcey’s been in the sauce.

Usman tells Lisa to cover her bra.

More second wife talk.

Tom asks a question about what kind of second wife Usman would have. Darcey says something. Shaun asks Lisa a question. Usman freaks out and screams “Tom asked me a question, let me answer the question”. This leads to Lisa screaming at Shaun about disrespecting Usman, screams at the producer “you better tell this hostess to shut her mouth” shut up! Shut up!”

Usman keeps yelling. Shaun trying to calm everyone.

Lisa: Barb! Barb! Barb! Do you hear me? It’s time to cut her now! Barb! Cut her now! Barb! Cut the fucking thing, cut it now! She’s disrespecting Usman! Fucking stop it! Stop it barb! Fuck off!

Darcey looks like a confused bobble head.

Lisa hangs up.

Usman and Darcey talk about Trish Playtas.

Darcey: things are done differently in America, I’ve been in the entertainment industry way before Tom, way before Jesse.

Usman starts to explain going live with Trish.

Lisa returns.

One more: Part 4...

 

Part 4: Wrap Ups and "where does your relationship stand"

Shaun turns to Darcey and Tom, asks where the future of their relationship is. Lisa and Usman respond loudly, not letting them talk.

Finally, Lisa and Usman are gone.

Tom: friends maybe blah blah blah great mom, good person, with you the best.

Darcey: my journey, my daughters, my brother who passed blah blah blah don’t want toxic negativity

Ash and Avery: same question

Ash is worried about his hair being cut off on the screen.

Ash started the journey with the intent to propose. Says he loves her. Breaking up was the hardest thing. Future is going to be looking after his family.

Ash answers the question in a concise, straight forward manner.

Just kidding. He uses a lot of words to absolutely avoid answering anything.

Avery says this is a hard question to ask someone who just separated. She trails off. I think... I don’t... I wanted... honestly...

Erika and Stephanie: where do you stand?

Not even friends. Can they ever be friends?

Stephanie says best case is friends from afar.

Erika says they’ve been friends and fought many many times. She came in today wanting to speak and wasn’t able to do that, but doesn’t hold any hate. It’s going to be hard to see any of this in a positive light.

Erika didn’t get a change to express that she took a big step coming out to her parents then Stephanie dumped her the next morning.

Stephanie came out to her mom too apparently, but it wasn’t like Erika’s coming out (receptive and kind).

Pick up lines:

Asking what they’ve been doing during the quarantine, will air at the beginning of the show.

(Erika makes earrings!)

Shaun has to rephrase the question to Stephanie to ask specifically about... HER ILLNESS!

Bet you didn’t see that one coming.

Yolanda wrap up: no more online dating. She’s going to meet men at the market or the casino. Old school.

Ed wrap up: who cares.

Ok. I guess we do.

Shaun asks about the shower. I just can’t listen to him anymore. Then she asks about the first night they were intimate. I’m going to barf.

Ed takes full responsibility for “not the things I did, but the way I did them”. Rose is mad at him right now. She wanted to reconcile February 9.

Ed is taking a break from dating (sorry ladies!) but Rose taught him to love again and “she didn’t destroy me like my first marriage did.”

His mom is moving in with him. But she’s a nurse so hasn’t moved in yet. Ed’s mom is a nurse caring for a young child with a tracheostomy.

Ed sucks, but a round of applause for Mother Ed is deserved.

David wrap up:

David is going to retire earlier than planned because of the recession resulting from the quarantine.

Shaun asks about the first kiss.

David says something about bowling. He bowls 4 strikes with Lana.

The girls in Ukraine love bowling but don’t get to do that. So he takes them. He bets kisses for every strike he bowls.

Lana is upset over the publicity from the show. Gets physically ill in front of the camera.

If she won’t come to the US or dumps him, he will live part time in the Ukraine - 3 months at a time - to continue dating women there.

It's over.

Wow.

[kendi]

What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I think we all know what greasy guy will probably be in this next rumored spinoff

[AZChristian]

1 minute ago, kendi said:

What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I think we all know what greasy guy will probably be in this next rumored spinoff

Official Title (if they were to ask me):  90 Days:  Who Really Cares?

[DEL901]

8 minutes ago, kendi said:

What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I think we all know what greasy guy will probably be in this next rumored spinoff

 

6 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Official Title (if they were to ask me):  90 Days:  Who Really Cares?

90 Days:   It was bad editing 

[UniqueHandle]

2 hours ago, kendi said:

What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I think we all know what greasy guy will probably be in this next rumored spinoff

No thank you. I don't want any part of a show that allows Lisa to "clapback" at anyone. She is vile.

[DanaMB]

2 hours ago, kendi said:

What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I think we all know what greasy guy will probably be in this next rumored spinoff

Oh Christ. Everyone we hate, so most of the American cast (+Tom). None of whom deserve more exposure.

Edited May 11, 2020 by DanaMB

[deirdra]

8 hours ago, RealReality said:

Avery suggested it was amazing. 

Didn't she also suggest it was the best she'd ever had, when talking to the camera operator after sleeping with Ash on the first night after saying she wouldn't?

[Scout Finch]

Endless weeks stuck at home with a serious MRSA infection + being furloughed from my job=plenty of time to waste watching the Tell-All leak. After reading the breakdown that @Mamadrama found, I feel compelled to watch at least some of the dumpster fire! Impatiently waiting for the download to finish...

[RealReality]

13 minutes ago, Scout Finch said:

Endless weeks stuck at home with a serious MRSA infection + being furloughed from my job=plenty of time to waste watching the Tell-All leak. After reading the breakdown that @Mamadrama found, I feel compelled to watch at least some of the dumpster fire! Impatiently waiting for the download to finish...

Where is this download?  Asking for a friend. 

3 hours ago, deirdra said:

Didn't she also suggest it was the best she'd ever had, when talking to the camera operator after sleeping with Ash on the first night after saying she wouldn't?

Yeah, I knew she was full of it when she said she wasn't going to sleep with him.  It's not that I think it's impossible to stay in a house with a man and not have sex, but I think if she was serious about that she would have gotten a hotel room. 

[RealReality]

6 hours ago, DanaMB said:

Oh Christ. Everyone we hate, so most of the American cast (+Tom). None of whom deserve more exposure.

I'm interested, but would prefer it was a two way exchange.  This just sounds like a bully pulpit for the participants to claim everything is a lie without anyine to challenge them.  

It'll basically be what they do now on SM where they just claim everyone is a liar.  Without a counterpoint it's not that interesting of a concept. 

[mamadrama]

23 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Where is this download?  Asking for a friend. 

Yeah, I knew she was full of it when she said she wasn't going to sleep with him.  It's not that I think it's impossible to stay in a house with a man and not have sex, but I think if she was serious about that she would have gotten a hotel room. 

I posted some links, either here or in David's thread, but I'm pretty sure they've all been removed. I'd keep watching for it on YouTube. It will show up again. I have it downloaded but I don't know how to share it. My internet is super slow, it takes me an hour to upload a 10-minute kitten video. I know I couldn't upload this monster. It took 5 hours to download it. 

[RealReality]

19 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

I posted some links, either here or in David's thread, but I'm pretty sure they've all been removed. I'd keep watching for it on YouTube. It will show up again. I have it downloaded but I don't know how to share it. My internet is super slow, it takes me an hour to upload a 10-minute kitten video. I know I couldn't upload this monster. It took 5 hours to download it. 

Yikes, I'll keep checking! 

[RealReality]

Ed needs to put that fucking dog down.*

Multimillionaire David doesn't want to spring for real engagement rings but continually insists that he money is no issue.  

"It's a rich mans game"

"The money is nothing"

"I'm a multimillionaire"

He is so obnoxious that I'm actively rooting for Lana to milk him dry.  

David also let slip that he is basically a jon. He spent "2,000 a month" on dates before getting on the websites.  Those are escort prices.   

If he is really a multimillionaire and Lana is desperately impoverished, he would be an asshole for not sending her a dime. 

What David says technically makes sense.  I could see ukranian women who want to get a green card signing up with dating agencies and the agencies creating these websites. 

I can also understand why US law might discourage or prohibit a guy meeting a girl on a website from interacting with her offline because he'd probably set up a sex date or it could lead to trafficking, especially from eastern European countries.  

He is so loathsome though.  And I really think he has sent Lana a shitton of money.  A girl who looks like Lana, or at least has pictures that look like Lana doesn't need a brokered agency in the day and age of social media.  

The money is "nothing" to him and Lana is a mere object.  I have no feelings one way or the other about Lana but David is so unlikeable that I actively root for Lana to take all his money. 

I don't understand the point of flying to Ukraine every month.  But hey, I'm all for the poor people of ukraine getting the dumbass American economic stimulus package. 

* -its not Teddy's fault that that dog is squirmy and he and Ed look like they are ready to make out.   

[athousandclowns]

I was catching up on Heather McDonalds  Juicy Scoop pod casts and she mentions she interviewed Ed. 
pi kinda forget I have them until I take a walk. 

[gingerella]

On 5/8/2020 at 11:07 PM, mamadrama said:

He’s “dated” 30 girls in Ukraine when he wasn’t talking to Lana. He’s been to Ukraine 20 times. He’s been engaged twice to women over there (and twice in America.)

Well, well, well, a serial fetishist then?! The fact that he's been there so many times isn't that mindblowing when you consider that out of 20 of those times, about 8, including the current footage, were spent stalking "Lana".

As for him "dating" girls in the Ukraine by computer, I wonder what a "date" with Dave is like? I'm guessing something like this:

David: Hello, you are so beautiful.

"Lana": Hello handsome.

David: Mmmmmm. What are you wearing?

"Lana": Sends fake photo from magazine clipping of random blond

David: Mmmmmm. I'm wearing this [send photo of him shirtless, mantitties hanging out, with his full length, leather Wyatt Earp coat]. Do you like?

"Lana": [three dots processing, processing, processing]

David: Where did you go? Are you still there?

David: I think her internet got cut off because she's so poor and lives with her sister. But I'm going to ask her to marry me tomorrow. She loves me, I can tell. This is sooooo real!

 

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Usman joins. He knows nothing about Nigerian scammers, doubts they’re Nigerian.

This? Is hilarious to me! A Nigerian scammer doubting that Nigerian scammers exist...I don't know if it's a jump the shark moment, or shaudefraude or Denial it Aint Just a River in Egypt, or what, but it's funny that Usman thinks he can poo poo the concept of Nigerian Scammers away. He really is a country mouse!

 

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I was catching up on Heather McDonalds  Juicy Scoop pod casts and she mentions she interviewed Ed. 

I could be mistaken but doesn't Heather McDonald usually crawl right up people's asses when she 'interviews' them? Sadly, I'm doubting she took him to task for his disgusting behavior, but hey, a girl can hope, right?

Edited May 12, 2020 by gingerella

[DanaMB]

17 hours ago, RealReality said:

I'm interested, but would prefer it was a two way exchange.  This just sounds like a bully pulpit for the participants to claim everything is a lie without anyine to challenge them.  

 

I so wish they'd have some of our awesome snarkers throw questions at them in person.

[Neurochick]

Interesting article.

Maybe TLC shouldn't take on anybody who has a YouTube channel.

[sainte-chapelle]

On 5/9/2020 at 2:07 AM, mamadrama said:

A complete write up...

Part 1: David

A lot of time was spent on David. Asking David the same questions, hoping he’d get a clue. Instead he doubled down on his delusion.

David started in this endeavor by going on two trips with a friend over 20 years ago. He states he did not like it - 25 guys meeting 400 women in a big bar. He said it was horrible - he called the women aggressive and professional daters. He went on another trip with 10 guys meeting maybe 40 women in different cities. He describes receiving catalogs of women and selecting specific ones to meet on the trip. A friend he met on one of these trips introduced him to a web site in 2007.

Lana does not work for the web site or get paid. According to David, the web sites are US sites, they contract through the agency that vets the “girls”. He insists Lana derives no income from the web site or agency. It’s illegal for him to contact her directly? He pays in order to not be scammed.

He has known Lana for 7 years. She was too young at the start - he won’t “date” anyone under 25. He wasn’t talking to Lana for 2.5 years. He’s “dated” 30 girls in Ukraine when he wasn’t talking to Lana. He’s been to Ukraine 20 times. He’s been engaged twice to women over there (and twice in America.)

David says Lana is very poor. Has very few clothes and possessions. She only has five pairs of shoes and gets a new pair of sneakers every 3 years or so. She doesn’t speak English. He bought her an iPhone to talk directly but she doesn’t like the keyboard because of her long fingernails. She can’t talk directly to him on the computer because the agency owns the laptop and monitors activity.

He’s spent $250,000 to $300,000 on “dating” on these sites. He claims he’s a millionaire so the money is no object.

Friends of David appear. Then disappear.

Cesar appears. David had talked to Maria years ago. Said she was high maintenance.

Yolanda and Usman join in. Usman has poor connection. Usman leaves.

A wild Tom appears. Tom compliments Yolanda’s weight loss. Says he’s not hitting on her, just complimenting her.

Tom doesn’t watch much of the show. Says David is his “fast forward couple”.

Cesar says he visited Maria. Maria wasn’t happy he showed up. But she met him, they took photos, she asked to see his phone and he realized later she deleted the photos. They spent 10 days together, he got a couple of pecks on the cheek and lips? But no intimacy. Specified no tongue. Maria was “pissed off” that he showed up, refused to meet Cesar it the cameras were there. Wanted him to buy her a $500 pair of shoes and $300 dinner.

Tom asks if he packed the chocolate panties. Cesar said he took the beaded candy ones.

Yolanda said Cesar DMd her and left his phone number. Cesar says Yolanda is beautiful and that he “loves chocolate” with a Pervy laugh. But he says he was just reaching out as friends. Shaun asks Cesar if he DMs Tom. Tom confirms that he did, and that the alumni reach out to each other.

Shaun asks Yolanda would date Cesar, she replies with an emphatic no.

David went back to Ukraine and met Lana. They kissed, no other intimacy. He proposed, she accepted (they show clips.) Lana is still on the dating sites. David is still on the dating sites because Lana is. Lana is still on the site because that’s where her only friends are, David basically describes her as a shut in with no friends.

At one point later in the show he drops the bombshell “love has nothing to do with it.”

Ed appears. He’s holding Teddy (against the dog’s will) on his lap. Ed shouts into his mic. He yells about David being scammed repeatedly for the better part of 18 minutes.

David gets excitable. Yells about this being bullshit. Yells at Tom that Darcey was still talking to other guys.

The current status of the relationship? David thinks they’re not together. He hasn’t communicated with Lana in 6 days. But their engagement hasn’t been broken. So they’re engaged but no longer together?

Lana refuses to participate because she’s getting hate mail from guys who have seen the show accusing her of being a scammer.

Stephanie appears.

Stephanie says she thinks it’s disgusting that Lana is being discussed like she’s a commodity. Points out that their relationship is transactional. David and Ed are screaming at each other over her. Stephanie Commends David for not worrying about spending $100,000 while Ed freaked out about spending $2.

A clip of David proposing to Lana with a prop fake ring shows.

Return to Ed and David arguing.

Usman appears.

David is getting heated.

Bottom Line: David’s retiring to move to Ukraine, but started the K1 process.

Shaun wraps the segment with David still arguing at the 3-hour mark. Shaun leaves (possibly to drink heavily - I would be if I was her.) I forgot to note that Tom made a remark to Ed about him not being able to see his toes. It was a joke, but went completely missed by everyone else.

David, Ed, Stephanie and Usman chit chat. Usman sings a bit.

Part 2: Yolanda

We resume at 3:30 with Yolanda.

Yolanda has the flu at the beginning of December. She was in a coma for a month and was on a ventilator for 3 weeks. Her kidneys and liver were failing. Her doctor now believes she had Covid-19.

She did not hear from Williams during that time. She heard from him just a couple of months ago. She didn’t tell him about her coma, he was talking about his aunt dying so it “didn’t come up.”

He didn’t reach out directly, he went through “sweetberry” (?) on Instagram to ask if he could contact her again.

Yolanda’s daughter and a PI the daughter hired join in. PI says the accounts have ties to Nigerian scammers.

Usman joins. He knows nothing about Nigerian scammers, doubts they’re Nigerian.

Usman leaves. Darcey joins. She’s wearing a platinum blonde wig, primping a bit, trying to center herself on the bed she’s sitting on. She’s nodding along to absolutely nothing, shaking her head and smiling periodically like she’s involved in a totally different conversation than we are seeing.

Daughter and PI leave. Shaun asks Darcey what she thinks about Yolanda and Williams. Darcey goes into a spiel about being a target and people on IG preying on her. Starts talking about Jesse and Tom. Says she spent a lot of money on Jesse, says she helped Tom financially and bought him clothes and gifts. Goes into a tangent of non-specific items, won’t provide a direct answer on how much she spent but finally claims she spent $2000 on Tom.

Erika appears.

Shaun tries to get back on the topic of Yolanda and Willams. Shaun asks Erika about her opinion on The Williams mystery IG account and the blackmail.

Darcey uses that opportunity to talk about being targeted by a “network of people” that was calculated by “people in different countries to target certain people around the world.”

“Maybe Nigeria was a part of it, Maybe England was a part of it”. After Tom Darcey says she met someone who targeted her, says it was a couple she knew and Tom was a part of it, says IP addresses traced to Nottingham and there’s a network of people targeting women around the world.

Darcey claims her second time in Amsterdam she was robbed while shopping after Jesse told her to leave her passport if she was going out shopping. Later says pickpocketed. Implies that the robbery was a setup by Jesse.

Shaun tries to redirect the subject back to Yolanda and Williams.

Lisa appears.

Lisa jumps right in with her expertise about Yahoo Boys, G-Men and grooming people. Darcey drops off and Usman reappears.

Lisa’s gravelly voice takes on a fake Nigerian accent as they yell “baby love” at each other.

Lisa goes on about her social media expertise. Explains the three different cultures of Nigeria. She tells Yolanda to join the Facebook Group SSA: Scamming Scammers Action that Lisa is a big part of.

They convince Yolanda to try to call Williams on speakerphone. No answer.

Lisa is also an expert in African and Nigerian accents FYI.

Erika leaves. David reappears.

Lisa dominates the conversation. Keeps recounting conversations and events of hackings and stuff.

Lisa starts talking about Blood Rituals. Sacrifices. Money rituals. Voodoo dolls. Kidnappings. Killing people to bring luck in scamming people. They believe in black magic and juju. Lisa and Usman keep interrupting each other. Usman has never heard of this. Lisa insists this is real. Go to SSA on Facebook, all the proof is there.

Yolanda, David and Shaun are stunned silent.

Usman is trying to fact check Lisa’s completely far-fetched theories. Lisa purses her beak.

Finally, Shaun redirects.

Yolanda says she’s done. If she hears from Williams again she’s done.

Yolanda is getting DMs all the time offering to FaceTime her. David tells her to go get her Groove back in Jamaica. Yolanda and David both get DMs encouraging them to hook up since they’re both in Vegas.

We are 5 hours 10 minutes in. Let’s see a clip! We see Lana before she met David. She’s at the gym. She’s walking around Kiev in a silver puffer jacket and Nikes. She using her iPhone (with her short nails) to take pictures. She’s shopping for makeup. She’s sipping a latte in a cafe while typing on her laptop. She’s talking to a friend on her iPhone. She talks about America. She knows that you can get married quickly in Las Vegas. She tells her friend she has an exciting day tomorrow “I’m meeting an American.” Her friend asks if he’s wealthy.

Shaun points out the inconsistencies in Lana’s apparent poverty and David’s understanding of her circumstances. David says “that’s not real”.

We spent the next 10 minutes or so with Yolanda, Usman, Lisa and Shaun trying to talk some sense into David. It doesn’t work.

Shaun leaves for a break.

Ash appears. We spend the next while discussing quarantine. Ash hadn’t heard about Yolanda being sick, his eyes get wide when he hears her coma tale.

They’re talking about lockdowns and restrictions and being able to go where you want. David thinks they’re talking about Ash being able to visit the US on his Australian passport.

Lisa’s ex-husband just got out of prison.

David lives in a rental house that’s being sold in a month.

Yolanda asks if people read their tweets.

Lisa has a stalker with 25 accounts. Lisa now has her phone number and address. She’s going to have her arrested and “put charges against her”.

David gets death threats.

Back to Yolanda and the Covid.

David leaves.

Tom returns. He asks how many bottles of lube Lisa and Usman used raw dogging it. She said none - I’m guessing she just peed on him a la Dinyell.

More R-rated banter. Lisa tells Tom to ask about Usman refusing to join the mile high club.

Ash looks stunned into silence. Maybe a bit frightened. He’s retreated to his nothing box.

Usman trues to explain about the 70%, that it’s a B and a compliment. Tom asks why she paid twice the going rate for a goat.

Lots of goat talk. Peeing goat talk. Showering the goat. Walking in sandals through mud and goat shit.

Tom makes a crack about not being the only cast members showering with animals. Ash asks about Ed showering with Rosemarie’s father? Then his feed goes out.

Lisa starts talking about gross food. Tom are goat brain in Albania. Lisa starts everything with “Usman, tell them about the time...” then just talks over him to tell the story herself.

Stephanie appears.

Ed appears.

Usman leaves. Lisa tells them about the armed convoy everywhere they went. Ed wants to know about the goat. More goat tales.

Keep going to part 3...

Part 3: Lisa and Usman

7 hour 10 minute mark.

Shaun is back with Lisa and Usman. We lose Usman.

Lisa had surgery.

She hurt her baby toe before going to Nigeria. Ruptured a blood vessel. It swelled up in Africa. Returned to the US with a dead/dying toe. Got infected, went gangrenous, was amputated.

Usman returns.

The next segment is insufferable.

Usman says Lisa calls him a N***** frequently. Lisa screams about opening a can of worms.

Usman asks if American women are all like this.

Lisa and Usman are married but keep blocking each other.

Lisa is Usman’s first serious relationship.

Lisa freaks out about women on Usman’s comments and in his DMs.

Says she’s seen the other girls Usman dated, they’re “3 times my size”.

They fight about Trish Playtas.

Lisa talks over Usman. Yells, curses, threatens.

Enter Giant and Aba (?) after 25 minutes of toxic bullshit.

Lisa talks about getting “gangbanged” by them. I do not think that word means what she thinks it means (She obviously meant "ganged up on", since it wasn't a raunchy joke accompanied by her crackly cackle.)

Lisa has a screaming match. Hangs up because she was “mistreated and disrespected”.

Enter Lisa’s friend Nikki.

Nikki screams about disrespect for the next forever. Lisa returns.

There’s endless raspy screeching about bitches, clowns, motherfuckers and more disrespect. Fuck you. Fuck outta here.

Shaun loses all control.

Aba and Nikki scream at each other some more.

Shaun gives up. She is writing something just below the screen. I suspect it’s her resignation letter.

Finally Shaun redirects the conversation. She brings up the polygamy.

If Lisa has an egg and can tote it, Usman doesn’t want another wife. If Lisa can’t squat and hatch Usman’s offspring, he will take another wife.

Cue Lisa’s expertise on polygamy.

Clip Roll: the night before the wedding, Lisa storms off and disrespects Usman’s brothers the night before the wedding.

Lisa cackles.

Avery and Ed appear.

Usman and Lisa keep arguing.

Shaun asks Avery’s perception. Avery asks “where is the love?” All she sees is them screaming over each other and assert themselves.

Before Lisa can respond Ed jumps in.

Lisa calls the kettle black and says Avery and Ed aren’t portrayed well.

Ed started to watch the show after he decided to be on it.

Ed compliments Usman for being calm and respectful and not using any foul words.

Lisa Cackles. Ed calls her a bull in a china shop “no disrespect”. Says he thought she was the definition of a narcissist, but says she’s actually the definition of delusional.

Lisa interrupts. Usman starts singing. Lisa and Ed scream over each other. Lisa tells Avery to shut up, says she went on Ed’s live drunk and making an ass of herself. Ed keeps screaming “delusional”. Lisa calls Avery a drunk. Avery tells Usman “not all American women are like that”, Lisa rebounds with “that’s why Ash dumped your ass.” Ed tells Usman there are many more nicer women.

Ed: she treated you like a piece of shit. She treated you like a slave.

Lisa: you are a piece of shit!

Ed: you made America Sick!

Lisa: Ed Fuck You! Fuck You!

Lisa: you abused Rose to go on this show because no fucking other woman would! You fucking used her (x 5). Shut the fuck up.

More screaming over each other.

Usman begs Ed to calm down.

Lisa: you’re going to let this fucking pervert who’s got charges for sexual harassment... you’re going to let this idiot come at me with the fucking charges he’s got? This fucking pervert has been grooming women. The women are coming out of the woodwork saying Ed has molested them, he’s groomed them, and god only knows what the fuck else he did to them.

More screaming.

Ed: the internet is fake!

Lisa: Harry (producer) remove these two right now!

Lisa calls them Thing 1 and Thing 2 and demands Harry remove them.

Ed gets cut.

Lisa continues to scream at Avery about glass houses.

Tom appears.

Usman is yelling now.

Shaun tries to gain control.

Tom: I was nervous delivering that letter to Darcey but coming in to this conversation is wild!

Shaun brings up the polygamy subject again.

Lisa might move to Nigeria for The Other Way.

Shaun disappears.

Avery drops.

Lisa says “Tom, this is all for show. It’s a dog and horse, pony show I call it.”

Tom blows smoke up her ass. His idea of love is apparently jealousy, anger and disrespect.

Shaun is back. Darcey appears. Usman is singing. Darcey is swaying to Soja Boy, slurring, “do it big! Lisa, Be the queen!”

Darcey’s been in the sauce.

Usman tells Lisa to cover her bra.

More second wife talk.

Tom asks a question about what kind of second wife Usman would have. Darcey says something. Shaun asks Lisa a question. Usman freaks out and screams “Tom asked me a question, let me answer the question”. This leads to Lisa screaming at Shaun about disrespecting Usman, screams at the producer “you better tell this hostess to shut her mouth” shut up! Shut up!”

Usman keeps yelling. Shaun trying to calm everyone.

Lisa: Barb! Barb! Barb! Do you hear me? It’s time to cut her now! Barb! Cut her now! Barb! Cut the fucking thing, cut it now! She’s disrespecting Usman! Fucking stop it! Stop it barb! Fuck off!

Darcey looks like a confused bobble head.

Lisa hangs up.

Usman and Darcey talk about Trish Playtas.

Darcey: things are done differently in America, I’ve been in the entertainment industry way before Tom, way before Jesse.

Usman starts to explain going live with Trish.

Lisa returns.

One more: Part 4...

 

Part 4: Wrap Ups and "where does your relationship stand"

Shaun turns to Darcey and Tom, asks where the future of their relationship is. Lisa and Usman respond loudly, not letting them talk.

Finally, Lisa and Usman are gone.

Tom: friends maybe blah blah blah great mom, good person, with you the best.

Darcey: my journey, my daughters, my brother who passed blah blah blah don’t want toxic negativity

Ash and Avery: same question

Ash is worried about his hair being cut off on the screen.

Ash started the journey with the intent to propose. Says he loves her. Breaking up was the hardest thing. Future is going to be looking after his family.

Ash answers the question in a concise, straight forward manner.

Just kidding. He uses a lot of words to absolutely avoid answering anything.

Avery says this is a hard question to ask someone who just separated. She trails off. I think... I don’t... I wanted... honestly...

Erika and Stephanie: where do you stand?

Not even friends. Can they ever be friends?

Stephanie says best case is friends from afar.

Erika says they’ve been friends and fought many many times. She came in today wanting to speak and wasn’t able to do that, but doesn’t hold any hate. It’s going to be hard to see any of this in a positive light.

Erika didn’t get a change to express that she took a big step coming out to her parents then Stephanie dumped her the next morning.

Stephanie came out to her mom too apparently, but it wasn’t like Erika’s coming out (receptive and kind).

Pick up lines:

Asking what they’ve been doing during the quarantine, will air at the beginning of the show.

(Erika makes earrings!)

Shaun has to rephrase the question to Stephanie to ask specifically about... HER ILLNESS!

Bet you didn’t see that one coming.

Yolanda wrap up: no more online dating. She’s going to meet men at the market or the casino. Old school.

Ed wrap up: who cares.

Ok. I guess we do.

Shaun asks about the shower. I just can’t listen to him anymore. Then she asks about the first night they were intimate. I’m going to barf.

Ed takes full responsibility for “not the things I did, but the way I did them”. Rose is mad at him right now. She wanted to reconcile February 9.

Ed is taking a break from dating (sorry ladies!) but Rose taught him to love again and “she didn’t destroy me like my first marriage did.”

His mom is moving in with him. But she’s a nurse so hasn’t moved in yet. Ed’s mom is a nurse caring for a young child with a tracheostomy.

Ed sucks, but a round of applause for Mother Ed is deserved.

David wrap up:

David is going to retire earlier than planned because of the recession resulting from the quarantine.

Shaun asks about the first kiss.

David says something about bowling. He bowls 4 strikes with Lana.

The girls in Ukraine love bowling but don’t get to do that. So he takes them. He bets kisses for every strike he bowls.

Lana is upset over the publicity from the show. Gets physically ill in front of the camera.

If she won’t come to the US or dumps him, he will live part time in the Ukraine - 3 months at a time - to continue dating women there.

It's over.

Thank you so much for the write up, that was amazing. If the link is still up I want to watch this mess.

Edited May 13, 2020 by sainte-chapelle

[RealReality]

On 5/11/2020 at 12:24 PM, DEL901 said:

 

90 Days:   It was bad editing 

This comment is criminally underrated.  

[Scout Finch]

Oh. My. God. Whatever they're paying Shaun Robinson, it's not enough. I watched the whole leak and didn't think it could get any worse than the angry interactions between cast members commenting on/criticizing each other but then came the shitstorm hurricane that was Lisa and Usman's segment! I don't think I will ever criticize Shaun now for just moving on ahead instead of asking deeper followup questions when we think things are just about to get juicier. Now that I know that we are just seeing a very small percentage of the batshit crazy behavior that precedes that and gets edited out (the editors deserve a raise, too), yeah, I'd want to move the hell on ahead because some of the cast members' tempers go from zero to 60 in just a few minutes and can no longer be dealt with rationally.

DAMN.

[DEL901]

She was probably pretty happy this Tell All was by Zoom. 

[b2H]

On 5/11/2020 at 2:15 PM, kendi said:

What's the saying? The squeaky wheel gets the grease? I think we all know what greasy guy will probably be in this next rumored spinoff

Oh, goody!!!  Another pile of lies I can ignore.  Thanks for the heads-up!!

[Scout Finch]

Love when Lisa kept yelling at them to cut off the "host." I would have had a hard time not responding with, "Bitch, my name's Shaun, and it's funny that you think you have that kind of power."

I enjoyed the break when it was just some of the cast members having an informal discussion, and all the awkward pauses when they would run out of things to say and you could see everyone trying to think of something to get the conversation started again!

[Colfrmb]

Just to be clearly obvious, Lana basically told David that she loves her long finger nails more than she loves him...  just sayin’.  Or, is it that the dating agency forces her to have extremely long nails thus it’s their fault she can’t text. Those horrible slave drivers!  BTW, inability to use a screen with nails is not a thing! Screams every female who goes to the nail salon every couple of weeks and watches everybody text with one hand while the other hand gets new nails.

[AZChristian]

6 minutes ago, Colfrmb said:

Just to be clearly obvious, Lana basically told David that she loves her long finger nails more than she loves him...  just sayin’.  Or, is it that the dating agency forces her to have extremely long nails thus it’s their fault she can’t text. Those horrible slave drivers!  BTW, inability to use a screen with nails is not a thing! Screams every female who goes to the nail salon every couple of weeks and watches everybody text with one hand while the other hand gets new nails.

I'm wondering . . . is it impossible to buy a stylus in Ukraine?

[magemaud]

NM

Edited May 13, 2020 by magemaud

[deirdra]

56 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

I'm wondering . . . is it impossible to buy a stylus in Ukraine?

My thoughts exactly.  I have short nails, but my fingertips don't work well on touch screens, so I use a stylus.  After years of "dating" Americans on the Internet and claiming to want to marry one and immigrate to the US, you'd think Lana would have learned some English. Unless she is owned and controlled by the website and has no intention of going anywhere because she gets plenty of dough.

[AZChristian]

10 minutes ago, deirdra said:

My thoughts exactly.  I have short nails, but my fingertips don't work well on touch screens, so I use a stylus.  After years of "dating" Americans on the Internet and claiming to want to marry one and immigrate to the US, you'd think Lana would have learned some English. Unless she is owned and controlled by the website and has no intention of going anywhere because she gets plenty of dough.

And another thing . . . 

I can talk to my smart phone, and it types what I say.  Can't she do that and then run it through a translate-text-to-English program?

@Deirdra, our problem is that we are problem solvers.  Lana seems to be a problem creator, and David is so stupid he believes her.

[Colfrmb]

@mamadrama, thank you for that fabulously entertaining summary of the Leaks video.  I gave up trying to watch it but then again, I think I probably would’ve given up simply based on all the screaming, yelling and chaos.  I want to hear each person’s schtick.  You saved me hours of frustration.  I laughed til I cried.

[Angry Moldovan]

On 5/9/2020 at 2:07 AM, mamadrama said:

A complete write up...

Part 1: David

A lot of time was spent on David. Asking David the same questions, hoping he’d get a clue. Instead he doubled down on his delusion.

David started in this endeavor by going on two trips with a friend over 20 years ago. He states he did not like it - 25 guys meeting 400 women in a big bar. He said it was horrible - he called the women aggressive and professional daters. He went on another trip with 10 guys meeting maybe 40 women in different cities. He describes receiving catalogs of women and selecting specific ones to meet on the trip. A friend he met on one of these trips introduced him to a web site in 2007.

Lana does not work for the web site or get paid. According to David, the web sites are US sites, they contract through the agency that vets the “girls”. He insists Lana derives no income from the web site or agency. It’s illegal for him to contact her directly? He pays in order to not be scammed.

He has known Lana for 7 years. She was too young at the start - he won’t “date” anyone under 25. He wasn’t talking to Lana for 2.5 years. He’s “dated” 30 girls in Ukraine when he wasn’t talking to Lana. He’s been to Ukraine 20 times. He’s been engaged twice to women over there (and twice in America.)

David says Lana is very poor. Has very few clothes and possessions. She only has five pairs of shoes and gets a new pair of sneakers every 3 years or so. She doesn’t speak English. He bought her an iPhone to talk directly but she doesn’t like the keyboard because of her long fingernails. She can’t talk directly to him on the computer because the agency owns the laptop and monitors activity.

He’s spent $250,000 to $300,000 on “dating” on these sites. He claims he’s a millionaire so the money is no object.

Friends of David appear. Then disappear.

Cesar appears. David had talked to Maria years ago. Said she was high maintenance.

Yolanda and Usman join in. Usman has poor connection. Usman leaves.

A wild Tom appears. Tom compliments Yolanda’s weight loss. Says he’s not hitting on her, just complimenting her.

Tom doesn’t watch much of the show. Says David is his “fast forward couple”.

Cesar says he visited Maria. Maria wasn’t happy he showed up. But she met him, they took photos, she asked to see his phone and he realized later she deleted the photos. They spent 10 days together, he got a couple of pecks on the cheek and lips? But no intimacy. Specified no tongue. Maria was “pissed off” that he showed up, refused to meet Cesar it the cameras were there. Wanted him to buy her a $500 pair of shoes and $300 dinner.

Tom asks if he packed the chocolate panties. Cesar said he took the beaded candy ones.

Yolanda said Cesar DMd her and left his phone number. Cesar says Yolanda is beautiful and that he “loves chocolate” with a Pervy laugh. But he says he was just reaching out as friends. Shaun asks Cesar if he DMs Tom. Tom confirms that he did, and that the alumni reach out to each other.

Shaun asks Yolanda would date Cesar, she replies with an emphatic no.

David went back to Ukraine and met Lana. They kissed, no other intimacy. He proposed, she accepted (they show clips.) Lana is still on the dating sites. David is still on the dating sites because Lana is. Lana is still on the site because that’s where her only friends are, David basically describes her as a shut in with no friends.

At one point later in the show he drops the bombshell “love has nothing to do with it.”

Ed appears. He’s holding Teddy (against the dog’s will) on his lap. Ed shouts into his mic. He yells about David being scammed repeatedly for the better part of 18 minutes.

David gets excitable. Yells about this being bullshit. Yells at Tom that Darcey was still talking to other guys.

The current status of the relationship? David thinks they’re not together. He hasn’t communicated with Lana in 6 days. But their engagement hasn’t been broken. So they’re engaged but no longer together?

Lana refuses to participate because she’s getting hate mail from guys who have seen the show accusing her of being a scammer.

Stephanie appears.

Stephanie says she thinks it’s disgusting that Lana is being discussed like she’s a commodity. Points out that their relationship is transactional. David and Ed are screaming at each other over her. Stephanie Commends David for not worrying about spending $100,000 while Ed freaked out about spending $2.

A clip of David proposing to Lana with a prop fake ring shows.

Return to Ed and David arguing.

Usman appears.

David is getting heated.

Bottom Line: David’s retiring to move to Ukraine, but started the K1 process.

Shaun wraps the segment with David still arguing at the 3-hour mark. Shaun leaves (possibly to drink heavily - I would be if I was her.) I forgot to note that Tom made a remark to Ed about him not being able to see his toes. It was a joke, but went completely missed by everyone else.

David, Ed, Stephanie and Usman chit chat. Usman sings a bit.

Part 2: Yolanda

We resume at 3:30 with Yolanda.

Yolanda has the flu at the beginning of December. She was in a coma for a month and was on a ventilator for 3 weeks. Her kidneys and liver were failing. Her doctor now believes she had Covid-19.

She did not hear from Williams during that time. She heard from him just a couple of months ago. She didn’t tell him about her coma, he was talking about his aunt dying so it “didn’t come up.”

He didn’t reach out directly, he went through “sweetberry” (?) on Instagram to ask if he could contact her again.

Yolanda’s daughter and a PI the daughter hired join in. PI says the accounts have ties to Nigerian scammers.

Usman joins. He knows nothing about Nigerian scammers, doubts they’re Nigerian.

Usman leaves. Darcey joins. She’s wearing a platinum blonde wig, primping a bit, trying to center herself on the bed she’s sitting on. She’s nodding along to absolutely nothing, shaking her head and smiling periodically like she’s involved in a totally different conversation than we are seeing.

Daughter and PI leave. Shaun asks Darcey what she thinks about Yolanda and Williams. Darcey goes into a spiel about being a target and people on IG preying on her. Starts talking about Jesse and Tom. Says she spent a lot of money on Jesse, says she helped Tom financially and bought him clothes and gifts. Goes into a tangent of non-specific items, won’t provide a direct answer on how much she spent but finally claims she spent $2000 on Tom.

Erika appears.

Shaun tries to get back on the topic of Yolanda and Willams. Shaun asks Erika about her opinion on The Williams mystery IG account and the blackmail.

Darcey uses that opportunity to talk about being targeted by a “network of people” that was calculated by “people in different countries to target certain people around the world.”

“Maybe Nigeria was a part of it, Maybe England was a part of it”. After Tom Darcey says she met someone who targeted her, says it was a couple she knew and Tom was a part of it, says IP addresses traced to Nottingham and there’s a network of people targeting women around the world.

Darcey claims her second time in Amsterdam she was robbed while shopping after Jesse told her to leave her passport if she was going out shopping. Later says pickpocketed. Implies that the robbery was a setup by Jesse.

Shaun tries to redirect the subject back to Yolanda and Williams.

Lisa appears.

Lisa jumps right in with her expertise about Yahoo Boys, G-Men and grooming people. Darcey drops off and Usman reappears.

Lisa’s gravelly voice takes on a fake Nigerian accent as they yell “baby love” at each other.

Lisa goes on about her social media expertise. Explains the three different cultures of Nigeria. She tells Yolanda to join the Facebook Group SSA: Scamming Scammers Action that Lisa is a big part of.

They convince Yolanda to try to call Williams on speakerphone. No answer.

Lisa is also an expert in African and Nigerian accents FYI.

Erika leaves. David reappears.

Lisa dominates the conversation. Keeps recounting conversations and events of hackings and stuff.

Lisa starts talking about Blood Rituals. Sacrifices. Money rituals. Voodoo dolls. Kidnappings. Killing people to bring luck in scamming people. They believe in black magic and juju. Lisa and Usman keep interrupting each other. Usman has never heard of this. Lisa insists this is real. Go to SSA on Facebook, all the proof is there.

Yolanda, David and Shaun are stunned silent.

Usman is trying to fact check Lisa’s completely far-fetched theories. Lisa purses her beak.

Finally, Shaun redirects.

Yolanda says she’s done. If she hears from Williams again she’s done.

Yolanda is getting DMs all the time offering to FaceTime her. David tells her to go get her Groove back in Jamaica. Yolanda and David both get DMs encouraging them to hook up since they’re both in Vegas.

We are 5 hours 10 minutes in. Let’s see a clip! We see Lana before she met David. She’s at the gym. She’s walking around Kiev in a silver puffer jacket and Nikes. She using her iPhone (with her short nails) to take pictures. She’s shopping for makeup. She’s sipping a latte in a cafe while typing on her laptop. She’s talking to a friend on her iPhone. She talks about America. She knows that you can get married quickly in Las Vegas. She tells her friend she has an exciting day tomorrow “I’m meeting an American.” Her friend asks if he’s wealthy.

Shaun points out the inconsistencies in Lana’s apparent poverty and David’s understanding of her circumstances. David says “that’s not real”.

We spent the next 10 minutes or so with Yolanda, Usman, Lisa and Shaun trying to talk some sense into David. It doesn’t work.

Shaun leaves for a break.

Ash appears. We spend the next while discussing quarantine. Ash hadn’t heard about Yolanda being sick, his eyes get wide when he hears her coma tale.

They’re talking about lockdowns and restrictions and being able to go where you want. David thinks they’re talking about Ash being able to visit the US on his Australian passport.

Lisa’s ex-husband just got out of prison.

David lives in a rental house that’s being sold in a month.

Yolanda asks if people read their tweets.

Lisa has a stalker with 25 accounts. Lisa now has her phone number and address. She’s going to have her arrested and “put charges against her”.

David gets death threats.

Back to Yolanda and the Covid.

David leaves.

Tom returns. He asks how many bottles of lube Lisa and Usman used raw dogging it. She said none - I’m guessing she just peed on him a la Dinyell.

More R-rated banter. Lisa tells Tom to ask about Usman refusing to join the mile high club.

Ash looks stunned into silence. Maybe a bit frightened. He’s retreated to his nothing box.

Usman trues to explain about the 70%, that it’s a B and a compliment. Tom asks why she paid twice the going rate for a goat.

Lots of goat talk. Peeing goat talk. Showering the goat. Walking in sandals through mud and goat shit.

Tom makes a crack about not being the only cast members showering with animals. Ash asks about Ed showering with Rosemarie’s father? Then his feed goes out.

Lisa starts talking about gross food. Tom are goat brain in Albania. Lisa starts everything with “Usman, tell them about the time...” then just talks over him to tell the story herself.

Stephanie appears.

Ed appears.

Usman leaves. Lisa tells them about the armed convoy everywhere they went. Ed wants to know about the goat. More goat tales.

Keep going to part 3...

Part 3: Lisa and Usman

7 hour 10 minute mark.

Shaun is back with Lisa and Usman. We lose Usman.

Lisa had surgery.

She hurt her baby toe before going to Nigeria. Ruptured a blood vessel. It swelled up in Africa. Returned to the US with a dead/dying toe. Got infected, went gangrenous, was amputated.

Usman returns.

The next segment is insufferable.

Usman says Lisa calls him a N***** frequently. Lisa screams about opening a can of worms.

Usman asks if American women are all like this.

Lisa and Usman are married but keep blocking each other.

Lisa is Usman’s first serious relationship.

Lisa freaks out about women on Usman’s comments and in his DMs.

Says she’s seen the other girls Usman dated, they’re “3 times my size”.

They fight about Trish Playtas.

Lisa talks over Usman. Yells, curses, threatens.

Enter Giant and Aba (?) after 25 minutes of toxic bullshit.

Lisa talks about getting “gangbanged” by them. I do not think that word means what she thinks it means (She obviously meant "ganged up on", since it wasn't a raunchy joke accompanied by her crackly cackle.)

Lisa has a screaming match. Hangs up because she was “mistreated and disrespected”.

Enter Lisa’s friend Nikki.

Nikki screams about disrespect for the next forever. Lisa returns.

There’s endless raspy screeching about bitches, clowns, motherfuckers and more disrespect. Fuck you. Fuck outta here.

Shaun loses all control.

Aba and Nikki scream at each other some more.

Shaun gives up. She is writing something just below the screen. I suspect it’s her resignation letter.

Finally Shaun redirects the conversation. She brings up the polygamy.

If Lisa has an egg and can tote it, Usman doesn’t want another wife. If Lisa can’t squat and hatch Usman’s offspring, he will take another wife.

Cue Lisa’s expertise on polygamy.

Clip Roll: the night before the wedding, Lisa storms off and disrespects Usman’s brothers the night before the wedding.

Lisa cackles.

Avery and Ed appear.

Usman and Lisa keep arguing.

Shaun asks Avery’s perception. Avery asks “where is the love?” All she sees is them screaming over each other and assert themselves.

Before Lisa can respond Ed jumps in.

Lisa calls the kettle black and says Avery and Ed aren’t portrayed well.

Ed started to watch the show after he decided to be on it.

Ed compliments Usman for being calm and respectful and not using any foul words.

Lisa Cackles. Ed calls her a bull in a china shop “no disrespect”. Says he thought she was the definition of a narcissist, but says she’s actually the definition of delusional.

Lisa interrupts. Usman starts singing. Lisa and Ed scream over each other. Lisa tells Avery to shut up, says she went on Ed’s live drunk and making an ass of herself. Ed keeps screaming “delusional”. Lisa calls Avery a drunk. Avery tells Usman “not all American women are like that”, Lisa rebounds with “that’s why Ash dumped your ass.” Ed tells Usman there are many more nicer women.

Ed: she treated you like a piece of shit. She treated you like a slave.

Lisa: you are a piece of shit!

Ed: you made America Sick!

Lisa: Ed Fuck You! Fuck You!

Lisa: you abused Rose to go on this show because no fucking other woman would! You fucking used her (x 5). Shut the fuck up.

More screaming over each other.

Usman begs Ed to calm down.

Lisa: you’re going to let this fucking pervert who’s got charges for sexual harassment... you’re going to let this idiot come at me with the fucking charges he’s got? This fucking pervert has been grooming women. The women are coming out of the woodwork saying Ed has molested them, he’s groomed them, and god only knows what the fuck else he did to them.

More screaming.

Ed: the internet is fake!

Lisa: Harry (producer) remove these two right now!

Lisa calls them Thing 1 and Thing 2 and demands Harry remove them.

Ed gets cut.

Lisa continues to scream at Avery about glass houses.

Tom appears.

Usman is yelling now.

Shaun tries to gain control.

Tom: I was nervous delivering that letter to Darcey but coming in to this conversation is wild!

Shaun brings up the polygamy subject again.

Lisa might move to Nigeria for The Other Way.

Shaun disappears.

Avery drops.

Lisa says “Tom, this is all for show. It’s a dog and horse, pony show I call it.”

Tom blows smoke up her ass. His idea of love is apparently jealousy, anger and disrespect.

Shaun is back. Darcey appears. Usman is singing. Darcey is swaying to Soja Boy, slurring, “do it big! Lisa, Be the queen!”

Darcey’s been in the sauce.

Usman tells Lisa to cover her bra.

More second wife talk.

Tom asks a question about what kind of second wife Usman would have. Darcey says something. Shaun asks Lisa a question. Usman freaks out and screams “Tom asked me a question, let me answer the question”. This leads to Lisa screaming at Shaun about disrespecting Usman, screams at the producer “you better tell this hostess to shut her mouth” shut up! Shut up!”

Usman keeps yelling. Shaun trying to calm everyone.

Lisa: Barb! Barb! Barb! Do you hear me? It’s time to cut her now! Barb! Cut her now! Barb! Cut the fucking thing, cut it now! She’s disrespecting Usman! Fucking stop it! Stop it barb! Fuck off!

Darcey looks like a confused bobble head.

Lisa hangs up.

Usman and Darcey talk about Trish Playtas.

Darcey: things are done differently in America, I’ve been in the entertainment industry way before Tom, way before Jesse.

Usman starts to explain going live with Trish.

Lisa returns.

One more: Part 4...

 

Part 4: Wrap Ups and "where does your relationship stand"

Shaun turns to Darcey and Tom, asks where the future of their relationship is. Lisa and Usman respond loudly, not letting them talk.

Finally, Lisa and Usman are gone.

Tom: friends maybe blah blah blah great mom, good person, with you the best.

Darcey: my journey, my daughters, my brother who passed blah blah blah don’t want toxic negativity

Ash and Avery: same question

Ash is worried about his hair being cut off on the screen.

Ash started the journey with the intent to propose. Says he loves her. Breaking up was the hardest thing. Future is going to be looking after his family.

Ash answers the question in a concise, straight forward manner.

Just kidding. He uses a lot of words to absolutely avoid answering anything.

Avery says this is a hard question to ask someone who just separated. She trails off. I think... I don’t... I wanted... honestly...

Erika and Stephanie: where do you stand?

Not even friends. Can they ever be friends?

Stephanie says best case is friends from afar.

Erika says they’ve been friends and fought many many times. She came in today wanting to speak and wasn’t able to do that, but doesn’t hold any hate. It’s going to be hard to see any of this in a positive light.

Erika didn’t get a change to express that she took a big step coming out to her parents then Stephanie dumped her the next morning.

Stephanie came out to her mom too apparently, but it wasn’t like Erika’s coming out (receptive and kind).

Pick up lines:

Asking what they’ve been doing during the quarantine, will air at the beginning of the show.

(Erika makes earrings!)

Shaun has to rephrase the question to Stephanie to ask specifically about... HER ILLNESS!

Bet you didn’t see that one coming.

Yolanda wrap up: no more online dating. She’s going to meet men at the market or the casino. Old school.

Ed wrap up: who cares.

Ok. I guess we do.

Shaun asks about the shower. I just can’t listen to him anymore. Then she asks about the first night they were intimate. I’m going to barf.

Ed takes full responsibility for “not the things I did, but the way I did them”. Rose is mad at him right now. She wanted to reconcile February 9.

Ed is taking a break from dating (sorry ladies!) but Rose taught him to love again and “she didn’t destroy me like my first marriage did.”

His mom is moving in with him. But she’s a nurse so hasn’t moved in yet. Ed’s mom is a nurse caring for a young child with a tracheostomy.

Ed sucks, but a round of applause for Mother Ed is deserved.

David wrap up:

David is going to retire earlier than planned because of the recession resulting from the quarantine.

Shaun asks about the first kiss.

David says something about bowling. He bowls 4 strikes with Lana.

The girls in Ukraine love bowling but don’t get to do that. So he takes them. He bets kisses for every strike he bowls.

Lana is upset over the publicity from the show. Gets physically ill in front of the camera.

If she won’t come to the US or dumps him, he will live part time in the Ukraine - 3 months at a time - to continue dating women there.

It's over.

Fabulous recap!

[Chalby]

On 1/14/2020 at 9:05 PM, lasandi said:

I just read that Ceasar Mack now has a revenge body and he is going to be on Naked and Afraid. 

Caesar!? More like he'll be naked, and I'll be afraid...

[Chalby]

On 5/9/2020 at 10:29 PM, RealReality said:

Thanks @mamadrama for the recap.  I know it's probably a lost cause, but if anyone has the link I'd like to watch. 

The recap was so well written, I am actually satisfied not seeing it. I do not understand why producers let people like Lisa, et el be allowed to make demands while disrespecting others. THEN having the nerve to complain that she is being disrespected. Plus all her spewing of stereotypical 'facts' about a country she is not from just turns my stomach. And I am curious now as to Lisa's claims re: Ed and young girls. He is such a pig... Actually, has anyone noticed that the couples who tend to stay together usually met in person, or on holiday, etc. The ones who meet through dating sites don't fare as well?

[blubld43]

3 hours ago, Chalby said:

Caesar!? More like he'll be naked, and I'll be afraid...

Honest to God, I find Caesar hugely entertaining, his segment on Quarantined had me in tears of laughter😂😂.  Funniest thing I've seen on this show in ages!

[kendi]

1 hour ago, blubld43 said:

Honest to God, I find Caesar hugely entertaining, his segment on Quarantined had me in tears of laughter😂😂.  Funniest thing I've seen on this show in ages!

The way he and David were chuckling about those pesky little dating sites, like they've shared war stories over beer was kind of funny. Cesar is a bit less dim than David. He advised him you to talk to the girl off the site. That's when David got scary creepy, so insistent that he knows more than the average visitor to the sites. The depths of David's obsession were more than anyone expected to see. I think Cesar even had an awakening. If Cesar had access to money like David, I don't believe he'd be on the sites. Maria would have milked him dry. 

If TLC could control it a little better, I'd actually like to see more mixes of seasons with similar storylines using this format. Mute more instead of the yelling over each other and ask those hard questions. I think they feel more open talking to a screen and not have to fear a chair flying at them from Angela or Lisa.

Could you imagine Angela, Michael, Usman and BGL having a mediated conversation by Ananda or any past Talk Soup host? I'd love that. 

Edited May 16, 2020 by kendi
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[For Cereals]

17 hours ago, Chalby said:

Caesar!? More like he'll be naked, and I'll be afraid...

Those feet though...ugh

[4merBachAddict]

I know it was relayed that Varya & Geoffrey would NOT be part of the tell-all, but if a reason was given, I missed it. If there WAS a reason, could someone tell me what it is?  Thanks.

[kendi]

50 minutes ago, 4merBachAddict said:

I know it was relayed that Varya & Geoffrey would NOT be part of the tell-all, but if a reason was given, I missed it. If there WAS a reason, could someone tell me what it is?  Thanks.

If you go here to their couple thread, you can read all about it