Season 2 Discussion

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, MrSmith said:

This is interesting. The "sister" was selected to represent the DR in the Miss World 2016 pageant:

The article says she represented the DR in the Miss EARTH contest, which I've never heard of, not the more prestigious (and legit) Miss World, or Miss Universe. Reminds me of some of the made up pageants on Toddlers and Tiaras, like "Little Miss Third Planet From the Sun." 

[magemaud]

13 minutes ago, Drogo said:

I was especially pleased with SisterPedro receiving The Straightening Iron She Really Needed and immediately holding it up to her Already Perfectly Straightened Hair.

I thought Mama Pedro asked for that for her stringy witchy hair so she wouldn't need to cover it with a hat. Speaking of hats, if the 2nd DR wedding ever really happens, will both mothers be wearing hats? Stay tuned...

[MrSmith]

9 minutes ago, magemaud said:

The article says she represented the DR in the Miss EARTH contest, which I've never heard of, not the more prestigious (and legit) Miss World, or Miss Universe. Reminds me of some of the made up pageants on Toddlers and Tiaras, like "Little Miss Third Planet From the Sun." 

Thanks for the correction. That was a legitimate typo on my part!

I found this about Miss Earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Earth

Edited July 25, 2017 by MrSmith

[magemaud]

Thanks for the information about the Miss Earth pageant which centers on environmental projects and explains why the 2016 winner (from Ecuador) is shown doing things like visiting electric car showrooms, planting trees, giving away solar lamps and placing trash bins around Ghana. 

[bethster2000]

3 hours ago, MrSmith said:

My wife and I are convinced that his sister is not his sister and only plays one on TV. We're pretty sure that she and he are not blood related and are, in fact, a romantic unit. We also think that his mother and his "sister" encouraged him to find an American girl whose family he can grift for everything they're worth, get his US citizenship, then marry the "sister" and get both her and mom over to the US.

This 100%.  Chantel's family may be snobby, but they aren't shady, which Pedro's "family" certainly is.  They are also mean-spirited and childish.  I would have thrown those goddamned chicken feet on the floor, where offal belongs.

[Kellyee]

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If Jorge tells Lourdes about being hit...and it seems continual and in public (the attorney's office), Lourdes needs to SPEAK UP!   This is domestic violence that will only get worse.

Lourdes wasn't complaining about domestic violence. She was basically complaining that her brother has to pay for sex. But he entered into the relationship with a very clear idea of what the ground rules were.

[bethster2000]

2 hours ago, MrSmith said:

aging, skanky Pao

That's "spicy Latina" to you, missy.

[MrSmith]

Just now, bethster2000 said:

This 100%.  Chantel's family may be snobby, but they aren't shady, which Pedro's "family" certainly is.  They are also mean-spirited and childish.  I would have thrown those goddamned chicken feet on the floor, where offal belongs.

I would have eaten them or at least tried them. It's rude to reject food someone else has offered you. It's the one universal truth about humanity: we come together over our meals.

[zenme]

I think Pedro's sister looks like Pedro with  makeup and straight hair, so I think she is actually his sister and not lover. I just think they have a very weird way about them.

[MrSmith]

2 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Lourdes wasn't complaining about domestic violence. She was basically complaining that her brother has to pay for sex. But he entered into the relationship with a very clear idea of what the ground rules were.

The thing that grinds me about this is that he knew he was paying for sex when he entered into this relationship. So no one should be surprised when she demands he pay up - Jorge especially! In my opinion, the reality is that he was always going to be condemned to pay for sex until he changes his attitude about "feminists" and women in general. (I quote the word feminists because his idea of a feminist is just a caricature.) I have never had a problem with the women I dated being sweet, fun, caring, and giving. Of course, I also recognized them for the human beings they are; I also recognized that relationships are negotiated and never demanded that any of the women I dated fit into some weird, pre-defined, and largely imaginary role in order to be with me.

2 minutes ago, zenme said:

I think Pedro's sister looks like Pedro with  makeup and straight hair, so I think she is actually his sister and not lover. I just think they have a very weird way about them.

Yeah, that's putting it mildly. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that they would behave like lovers and actually be siblings. That's as far as I can take that part of the conversation. Feels like I'm about to cross a line nobody wants crossed and that I won't appreciate the outcome of having crossed.

[Ivanova]

MrSmith, exactly

7 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

would have eaten them or at least tried them. It's rude to reject food someone else has offered you. It's the one universal truth about humanity: we come together over our meals.

I remember, as a child, I was really impressed by a legend that I heard about a Native American chief who came to visit the white people. They decided to play a prank on him and pretended to be eating bread with mustard. They offered it to him, he tried it and it was so nasty he almost cried, but he finished it and put the pranksters to shame by showing how much more dignity he had than them.

[zenme]

Yes, MrSmith. It's an awkward line to cross when speculating on Pedro's relationship with his sister, because it's such a detestable implication. One scenario could be that having been raised among all these women he's just slightly more comfortable...(??) and I don't want to say it's cultural because I don't think that's true.  

Just a weird and awkward relationship for me...

Edited July 25, 2017 by zenme

[Baltimore Betty]

22 minutes ago, bethster2000 said:

This 100%.  Chantel's family may be snobby, but they aren't shady, which Pedro's "family" certainly is.  They are also mean-spirited and childish.  I would have thrown those goddamned chicken feet on the floor, where offal belongs.

OMG, that could be it, great theory! 

[Palomar]

16 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

I would have eaten them or at least tried them. It's rude to reject food someone else has offered you. It's the one universal truth about humanity: we come together over our meals.

Under normal conditions I would agree.  But not when they won't even sit with you and eat them too.  Not when they are smirking and laughing "waiting" to see if you are going to try them.  Something was up there....especially when they admitted they never eat this kind of food (Pedro either).  It was definitely pre-nup revenge time.

[MrSmith]

4 minutes ago, Palomar said:

Under normal conditions I would agree.  But not when they won't even sit with you and eat them too.  Not when they are smirking and laughing "waiting" to see if you are going to try them.  Something was up there....especially when they admitted they never eat this kind of food (Pedro either).  It was definitely pre-nup revenge time.

Well, I agree that Pedro's family served these things with malicious intent. I think that if Chantel's family had actually deigned to at least try the food and make a show of being gracious, then I think the meltdown that is occurring between the families either wouldn't have happened or wouldn't be as severe. Instead, Chantel's family turned their noses up and made themselves look like haughty, stupid Americans, which is exactly what Pedro's family already thought of them and so confirmed their opinions. Granted, Pedro's family showed themselves to be petty and ungracious (and other adjectives). I just think that had Chantel's family tried what was offered, then Pedro's family would have been surprised and decided to rethink their preconceptions about Chantel's family.

Edited July 25, 2017 by MrSmith

[zenme]

Well, I hate to say it but I hate when people make my dinner plans for me. "Dinner? Well, I wish Chantel would have let me know beforehand! Father Chantel and I have already made plans for dinner. Please join us!"

[Dobian]

3 hours ago, MrSmith said:

Overall, her agent is tremendously shady and they should get away from her as soon as possible. I'm convinced her agent is trying to get her into doing porn.

That's about all she can do.  Pao's face and body are not up to the standard for being a legitimate model.  Just because you look hot at a nightclub doesn't make you model material.

[magemaud]

First people were speculating about Chantel and River having an unusual relationship, now we are thinking the same things about Pedro and Nicole. 

[greekmom]

27 minutes ago, zenme said:

Yes, MrSmith. It's a awkward line to cross when speculating on Pedro's relationship with his sister, because it's such a detestable implication. One scenario could be that having been raised among all these women he's just slightly more comfortable...(??) and I don't want to say it's cultural because I don't think that's true.  

Just a weird and awkward relationship for me...

Sadly, I am seeing it live. It's awkward to the hilt. 

 

1 minute ago, magemaud said:

First people were speculating about Chantel and River having an unusual relationship, now we are thinking the same things about Pedro and Nicole. 

With River and Chantel I am thinking it's all River projecting on Chantel and not Chantel wanting River.

With Pedro & Nicole I think it's a mutual thing.

[Palomar]

With all the Chantel/Pedro family drama forgot to mention my growing disdain for Pao.  I didn't see the original season that showed the Russ and Pao story so maybe she was not always so selfish.  Just have to say....Pao, you do NOT have a career and you are NOT a model. You have to actually have a gig first before you can claim that. Not to mention it has taken Pao two months to realize that she is not even on her agent's radar or more importantly on her computer.   Maybe someday, but you are asking your husband to give up a house and his schooling to support something that doesn't even exist except in your own mind.  Maybe face a little reality before dishing out ultimatums. The TLC money supporting your party lifestyle will not be there forever.

Wish that Alexi and Loren could get his family out here.  Of course they have problems too, but at least there seems to be real love there.  It just seems that all the other couples have their own agendas.  Of course Danielle and Mohammed aren't even a couple.

[gonecrackers]

I haven't seen this yet but I'm not one to feel we have to eat everything offered to us (I get nauseous easily & we're an allergy family), but we can be polite about it. That said as a host I would check with my guests ahead to make something acceptable to everyone, as I'd want everyone to feel comfortable, but maybe that's just me.

It sounds like the chosen meal was served to increase the tension with everyone. Most likely it was a production driven stunt; I just wonder if Family Chantel were let in on it ahead of time, or not, for more dramatic effect.

Edited July 25, 2017 by gonecrackers

[LunaMia]

20 hours ago, lilsadone said:

4. I felt like all black Americans just took a hit because of Chantels family and their ignorance and refusal to be open minded in a DIFFERENT country. 

No way! Did you see Nicole in Morocco last season? She was also being a textbook "Ugly American." 

[Kath94]

35 minutes ago, gonecrackers said:

I haven't seen this yet but I'm not one to feel we have to eat everything offered to us (I get nauseous easily & we're an allergy family), but we can be polite about it. That said as a host I would check with my guests ahead to make something acceptable to everyone, as I'd want everyone to feel comfortable, but maybe that's just me.

It sounds like the chosen meal was served to increase the tension with everyone. Most likely it was a production driven stunt; I just wonder if Family Chantel were let in on it ahead of time, or not, for more dramatic effect.

I agree.  My guess is that production suggested chicken feet & necks or something not really mainstream "American" to Pedro's family, and then whispered voodoo suggestions to Chantel's family.  Why else would someone jump from "you're serving chicken feet" to "Ermagerd!  Voodoo!?"

Edited July 25, 2017 by Kath94
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[gunderda]

On 7/24/2017 at 4:11 AM, biakbiak said:

Did Pedro's mom and sister send him links to dresses they like because that was random as hell the other items I understand but that was just strange also that they were all black and white.

I have a feeling they have some sort of access to a credit card of his and just have the items mailed to him.  Or they do send him links and tell him to buy it. 

On 7/24/2017 at 7:48 AM, bichonblitz said:

If Diamond is so bothered by crazy Danielle harassing her, why doesn't she just block her from texting her and from social media? It's not rocket science. 

One wonders how Danielle got Diamond's phone number?? 

On 7/24/2017 at 10:41 AM, AnnaL said:

Does Chantal work? 

 

I'm thinking no, or not really because during their argument Pedro said "When you're done with school and you work, you can spend your money on ____" which seem to implied that he's the one paying the bills so he thinks he can do whatever else he wants with 'his' money.

On 7/24/2017 at 0:21 PM, Swim mom said:

I'm going to rewatch that because I remember thinking that Pedro didn't want to eat it either, it looked like, maybe, he just ate some of the breading. 

I find it odd that he didn't seem surprised at them making it... after all they said they don't eat it... Pedro would know that. 

[ciaoformeow]

1 hour ago, LunaMia said:

No way! Did you see Nicole in Morocco last season? She was also being a textbook "Ugly American." 

YES! Thank you for reminding me - she was dreadful. 

6 hours ago, MrSmith said:

I'm glad other people saw this. She jumped into his arms like a lover would at the airport, too. Also, later in the episode, he's giving her a new dress and says, "For my sexiest". My wife and I are convinced that his sister is not his sister and only plays one on TV. We're pretty sure that she and he are not blood related and are, in fact, a romantic unit. We also think that his mother and his "sister" encouraged him to find an American girl whose family he can grift for everything they're worth, get his US citizenship, then marry the "sister" and get both her and mom over to the US.

I love this theory

However, by the looks of the sister it seems like they'd have better luck with this scheme if it was the sister marrying a well off American man. Chantel was super broke when he came over. The sister would have had better lucks marrying a rich dude, based on looks alone. 

[Former Nun]

4 hours ago, MrSmith said:

In this particular and very unique situation, I think Jorge needs to get hit for a while longer first.

So there would be no negative reactions if Jorge were hitting Anfisa...in this particular and very unique situation?  

[ciaoformeow]

6 hours ago, MrSmith said:

We loved the "deer in the headlights" look of "OMG! I'm busted" when Russ and Paola were calling her on her shit. As for the other couple that the photographer introduced them to, they're not even in the same industry as Paola is trying to get into. That lady is about fitness more than modeling. Overall, her agent is tremendously shady and they should get away from her as soon as possible. I'm convinced her agent is trying to get her into doing porn.

 

 

Now Paos instagram makes more sense. She got super fit and is now doing more fitness modeling and is now officially a personal trainer. 

BTW, don't agents only get paid when the model gets paid for a gig (10%), or is that only how it works with acting? 

[Awfarmington]

21 hours ago, Meowwww said:

I grew up with parents who came to the USA after the war.  

Pray tell, please, what is there to eat of chicken feet, other than the yummy fried breaking?

As someone who raises chickens and has for many years, the chicken feet made my stomach turn. Chickens routinely step in their own waste. Which I realize can be washed, but still. The worse part is that chickens are prone to many different parasites. Which includes ones that burrow under the scaless of the feet and lower legs. That's where they feed and live. 

Edited July 26, 2017 by Awfarmington

[Awfarmington]

38 minutes ago, lilsadone said:

YES! Thank you for reminding me - she was dreadful. 

I love this theory

However, by the looks of the sister it seems like they'd have better luck with this scheme if it was the sister marrying a well off American man. Chantel was super broke when he came over. The sister would have had better lucks marrying a rich dude, based on looks alone. 

The butt squeeze was no accident so the theory makes sense. BUT she looks JUST like Pedro except skinny and wearing lip gloss. 

I know their are cultural differences but I can't see butt grabbing as acceptable for siblings, ever. 

[CofCinci]

20 hours ago, Slamdunk said:

Can you elaborate on why?  Because they are Russian/Ukranian?

Jews in the Ukrain helped with the mass extinction of the Jews before the Holocaust.  Now they come to Israel and are regarded as both traitors and how some Americans look at Mexicans "they took our jobs". 

[Awfarmington]

4 hours ago, bethster2000 said:

This 100%.  Chantel's family may be snobby, but they aren't shady, which Pedro's "family" certainly is.  They are also mean-spirited and childish.  I would have thrown those goddamned chicken feet on the floor, where offal belongs.

THIS^ I

I don't get all the hate on Chantel's family. I don't care for the way they handled things. But Pedro's family took it to a whole 'nother level. The dumb smirk on their faces was infuriating. Then the way they acted when Chantel and Pedro were fighting. Pure trash. 

[Awfarmington]

This may be stretching it. But had Family Chantel not be tricked with the chicken feet, I think they would have been less afraid to get out at the grandmothers house. They might have been on guard at that point and felt like it was an ambush of some sort. The way Pedro's mom and sister kept smiling was creepy as hell and I might be afraid to get out, too. 

[nlkm9]

39 minutes ago, Awfarmington said:

This may be stretching it. But had Family Chantel not be tricked with the chicken feet, I think they would have been less afraid to get out at the grandmothers house. They might have been on guard at that point and felt like it was an ambush of some sort. The way Pedro's mom and sister kept smiling was creepy as hell and I might be afraid to get out, too. 

excellent point. I mean the way Mother Pedro just dropped that bowl of feet on the table with a smirk, I would have been out of there. Ugh.

[MrSmith]

1 hour ago, Former Nun said:

So there would be no negative reactions if Jorge were hitting Anfisa...in this particular and very unique situation?  

Oh, there would be negative reactions. However, he brought this on himself with all his lying and bullshit. Sometimes things are simply deserved even though they're normally wrong and, right now, he deserves what he's getting.

[Kath94]

1 hour ago, Awfarmington said:

This may be stretching it. But had Family Chantel not be tricked with the chicken feet, I think they would have been less afraid to get out at the grandmothers house. They might have been on guard at that point and felt like it was an ambush of some sort. The way Pedro's mom and sister kept smiling was creepy as hell and I might be afraid to get out, too. 

How afraid could they have been with a full camera crew accompanying them?!?

[Awfarmington]

5 minutes ago, Kath94 said:

How afraid could they have been with a full camera crew accompanying them?!?

There was a full camera crew when they tried to trick them into eating chicken feet lol. Feeling fear of getting a beat down and attacked by the 'pack' of dogs IS pretty ridiculous, with a camera crew there especially. But fear of being fed something nasty, hazing, or whatever else is plausible. Pedro's mom made it clear by her words and actions that she can't stand Family Chantel.   

[Former Nun]

Can someone on the crew help Chantel apply her make-up in a consistent manner?  Sometimes I don't even recognize her!

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Awfarmington said:

As someone who raises chickens and has for many years, the chicken feet made my stomach turn. Chickens routinely step in their own waste. Wish I realize can be washed, but still. The worse part is that chickens are prone to many different parasites. Which includes ones that burrow under the scaless of the feet and lower legs. That's where they feed and live. 

I googled are chicken feet kosher, and, while they are, the site I read commented that in the United States,  they are discarded because of great fear of infection. Quoting from Star K kosher certification. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Awfarmington said:

This may be stretching it. But had Family Chantel not be tricked with the chicken feet, I think they would have been less afraid to get out at the grandmothers house. They might have been on guard at that point and felt like it was an ambush of some sort. The way Pedro's mom and sister kept smiling was creepy as hell and I might be afraid to get out, too. 

I agree. Based on what happened earlier, and it was dark, no way would I have eaten at Grandma's house. There was no way to see what Pedro's mother and sister were, and were not, eating.  Where did Mom and Daughter learn to be so hateful?  Well, maybe from Grandma.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

excellent point. I mean the way Mother Pedro just dropped that bowl of feet on the table with a smirk, I would have been out of there. Ugh.

This didn't happen, it was Pedro not his mother who brought the plate of chicken feet to the table.

[babydollbrat]

7 hours ago, Palomar said:

Under normal conditions I would agree.  But not when they won't even sit with you and eat them too.  Not when they are smirking and laughing "waiting" to see if you are going to try them.  Something was up there....especially when they admitted they never eat this kind of food (Pedro either).  It was definitely pre-nup revenge time.

I could have sworn Pedro ate the feet

[KBrownie]

52 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

This didn't happen, it was Pedro not his mother who brought the plate of chicken feet to the table.

Thank you.  There are a whole lot of alternative facts floating around about that whole scene at the moment to justify family Chantel acting like inconsiderate assholes and paint family Pedro as completely 100% responsible for what happened.  I keep seeing the word "trick" applied to the chicken feet, but what exactly was the "trick?"  Pedro put a plate of food on the table and walked away.  How was that a trick?  Were the feet going to start dancing a jig on the table?  Did Pedro lie about what it was he put out?  What trick was played on family Chantel?  They are the ones who totally overreacted and started the stereotyping of accusing them of engaging in "voodoo" and disrespecting them when all they had to do was politely decline and wait for what else was being served.  That would have made them the bigger people in that situation if, which I personally don't believe there was, there was some big conspiracy about the meal.

Now Grandma is responsible for everyone being hateful?  Please.  Did Grandma even show up on screen?  And Pedro and his sister are lovers and not siblings despite looking very similar and pulling an elaborate scam on the innocent Chantel and her lovely family who've been nothing but nice and respectful to Pedro.  They haven't treated him like dirt or as if they are so better than him at all.  River hasn't been a total jealous, spiteful bitch to Pedro. Nope.  It's like playing telephone.  The story just keeps getting more and more fantastic and further away from the truth the more it gets told.

Edited July 26, 2017 by KBrownie

[Chickabiddy]

18 minutes ago, Swim mom said:

I agree. Based on what happened earlier, and it was dark, no way would I have eaten at Grandma's house. There was no way to see what Pedro's mother and sister were, and were not, eating.  Where did Mom and Daughter learn to be so hateful?  Well, maybe from Grandma.

Because Pedro's mom and sister/gf were going to poison them while the camera crew taped it to air on TV later?  Was there a chance they were going to slip them a potion to turn them into zombies for American audiences?  I think the paranoia is a little over the top. It looked to me like the people at grandma's went to a lot of work to put on a big spread of food. And if they are as poor as Chantel family thinks they are, than sharing all that food was truly generous. Whst a burden for Chantel family to live with all that fear of "the other" and the paranoia. 

[sainte-chapelle]

I know this was mentioned earlier but wtf was with Pedro grabbing his 'sisters' ass? I watched it twice and it appears he squeezed as though he forgot himself for a moment then moved his hand to her back.  Someone else mentioned this but it makes me think she is Pedro's side chick and not his sister. Maybe his moms took her in when they were young but no way is she a full blood sister.

[alegtostandon]

On 7/24/2017 at 1:00 PM, Dobian said:

Out of all of Anfisa's BS, the biggest one of all is that she's 20.  She's talking about Botox for her wrinkles, her face and lips look like they're full of fillers.  My daughter is 20, her friends are 20, I know what 20 looks like.  Anfisa is not 20.

I was thinking the same thing. The scene where Jorge was with his sister & talking about being afraid of Anfisa, they showed a scene in the car where she was demanding he bring her red makeup bag.  She looked so old in that scene, obviously, was makeup free.  I had to replay it, didn't even look like the Anfisa we usually see. I do not find her to be attractive.  But, I'm not a guy, what do I know.

[magemaud]

2 hours ago, babydollbrat said:

I could have sworn Pedro ate the feet

I re-watched and yes, he nibbled on a foot (mostly breading) then held it in his hand and kind of waved it around while talking, then ate some more. Later when Chantel was trying to explain (with her limited Spanish) that her family was offended by them, his mother and sister admitted to not eating chicken feet, but I thought I heard Pedro say (with his limited English) that he LIKES THEM. 

[jumper sage]

I loved when Russ caught that agent in a lie.  Didn't she have to pay for the agent to represent her?  The agent reminds me of someone who's business is more scam than business.  I think she didn't want Russ to come to Miami because she knew she had Paola, hook line and sinker.  The photographer gives me the creeps.

I will never agree with Ansifa hitting Jorge.  He should take the tapes to the D.A., convict her and get an annulment and deport her ass.  Don't get me wrong, he is an asshole too for lying but nothing makes it ok to hit someone.

The most horrid couple ever to appear on TV - loved how her daughter knew that gross lady could not be alone with the nut job.

[Verojama]

On 2017-07-23 at 11:10 PM, Swim mom said:

Sorry, but I feel that Pedro's family definitely cooked those feet and necks to offend Chantel's family because neither the mom, nor the daughter, took even ONE bite. They both said, "I don't eat that." Then they both smirked. If they had eaten that, I'd give them the benefit of doubt, but, no way, Jose. No way would I have touched that. Pedro's been in the country a year and never noticed that we don't eat that. He's been gaming too much.  

Well actually pedro ate the foot.. mither pefro did that because if the prenup.. but not getting out of the campo was complete disrespect.. the grandmother was there how discusting is that if i was pedro i would loose all respect for chantel family and what happens to the marriage now 

[Kellyee]

16 hours ago, Palomar said:

With all the Chantel/Pedro family drama forgot to mention my growing disdain for Pao.  I didn't see the original season that showed the Russ and Pao story so maybe she was not always so selfish. 

I watched the original season. This relationship was doomed from the first day. I believe that Paola had sincere intentions, but there was no way she would be happy in Oklahoma. She should have been honest about that before they got married. And in Paola's defense, Russ was as stubborn about Oklahoma as Paola is about Miami. They're just a horrible match. They should divorce and remain friends. It's never going to work.

[MrSmith]

10 hours ago, KBrownie said:

Now Grandma is responsible for everyone being hateful?  Please.  Did Grandma even show up on screen?  And Pedro and his sister are lovers and not siblings despite looking very similar and pulling an elaborate scam on the innocent Chantel and her lovely family who've been nothing but nice and respectful to Pedro.  They haven't treated him like dirt or as if they are so better than him at all.  River hasn't been a total jealous, spiteful bitch to Pedro. Nope.  It's like playing telephone.  The story just keeps getting more and more fantastic and further away from the truth the more it gets told.

So you're saying that her jumping into his arms like a lover at the airport, him grabbing her ass, and his referring to her as "my sexiest" is just perfectly normal behaviour between siblings? And while you think they look "very similar", I do not see it.

8 hours ago, alegtostandon said:

I was thinking the same thing. The scene where Jorge was with his sister & talking about being afraid of Anfisa, they showed a scene in the car where she was demanding he bring her red makeup bag.  She looked so old in that scene, obviously, was makeup free.  I had to replay it, didn't even look like the Anfisa we usually see. I do not find her to be attractive.  But, I'm not a guy, what do I know.

The few men that I work with who also watch this show do not find her attractive, either. Neither do I. None of us would've looked at her twice walking down the sidewalk.

Edited July 26, 2017 by MrSmith