Irlandesa March 7, 2017 Share March 7, 2017 On 3/5/2017 at 9:25 PM, stagmania said: Not seeing sinister Ed/Abigail vibes at all. I don't want to see the vibes but I've probably seen too many Lifetime movies where step-daddy does step-daughter. First, there was that moment last week when the camera focused on Abigail watching Madeline and Ed dance. Then there was this week where the camera seemed to focus on Ed watching Abigail take pictures only to avert his eyes when she comes in. Now, I didn't pick up any vibes once she was back in the house so maybe I'm crazy but Ed's "she's like you" and Abigail's sudden drop in grades and desire to move out the house have me suspicious. It's not to the point where if they don't go there that I'll feel tricked but if they do, they did drop hints. On 3/5/2017 at 9:15 PM, stagmania said: I think it's clear that the show is not trying to depict Perry as a straightforward villain. And given the way they revealed Jane's backstory, not showing her rapist's face and having him use a fake name, I expect we know him, or will soon. I think they're trying to show a more "real" depiction of abuse but I'll have more on that in a bit. As for Jane's rapist, I do think we'll know him. Right now, I feel like Nathan, Gordon and Perry are the three most likely suspects based on what we saw in her memory of that night. Gordon is just on the periphery enough that I lean towards him. Speaking of Gordon, I didn't realize until tonight that Jeffrey Nordling was playing him. I knew he was in this but I thought he was playing Nathan and that James Tupper was playing Gordon. So...um...am I crazy for thinking these two look a lot alike? 12 hours ago, Winston9-DT3 said: I posted an article in the media thread where the therapy sessions were discussed. I agree with that writer's take on it. I'm not suggesting any interpretation is a more 'correct' one or that Perry is husband of the year, but I personally don't see his fears as turning him into a victim so much as making him seem more human and sympathetic. He's willing to admit he's violent and willing to discuss his fears and insecurities in a therapy setting. Like Celeste, I see that as a step in the right direction more than passing blame. It is generally not recommended that people in abusive marriages seek out couples counseling to deal with the issue for reasons I think we saw in this episode. First, abuse isn't a "we" situation but an "I" situation. If Perry really wanted to get better, he wouldn't be doing it in couples counseling. Couples counseling usually involves discovering what steps both partners can take to improve their relationship. If the biggest issue in their marriage is abuse, then it's suddenly shifting some responsibility for preventing that abuse onto the victim. Another reason it's dangerous is because of what we saw Perry do in this therapy session. Abusers know how to manipulate through controlling the narrative. He opened up...just enough. He admitted to some violence which makes it seem to Celeste and the therapist that he's open to being honest. At the same time, since he was the one to share the violence, he also got a chance to downplay the severity of the violence. He also shared something that made him look vulnerable in front of the therapist and something he knew Celeste was primed to want to placate given how much she had given up already--his insecurity. Unless a therapist is trained in dealing with this specifically, they can play into an abusers hands to gaslight their partner. And if it's a good therapist who won't play since they understand this dynamic, then the abusive partner usually wants to put an end to the sessions. We never got a reason why therapy hadn't worked for these two in the past but I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the reasons why they quit a few attempts they mentioned in their past. 12 hours ago, Eyes High said: It wasn't so much the dance moves as the fact that it was a very beautiful and fit woman doing the dance moves. Yep. As someone said, she might seem exotic to this group. Not only because of her ethnicity but the fact that she's a yoga teacher, wears looser clothing and is more free spirited in general. What she was doing wasn't overly sexual but rather she was likely absorbing a lot of male fantasy projection. I binged the first three episodes and couldn't shake the fact that Bonnie reminded me of Lisa Bonet. It wasn't until I came into this thread where people were writing Zoey's name that I realized there's a good reason I was reminded of Lisa. 1 20 Link to comment
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