S21.E02: Wedding Photo Shoot

[OnceSane]

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One anxious bachelorette hides her secret history with Nick; 12 ladies attend a wedding photo shoot with Nick; Nick whisks away one lucky gal to a private yacht; Nick meets six women at Hollywood's Museum of Broken Relationships where each lady acts out a breakup with Nick; Nick does something shocking that no one could have expected.

[Flybutter]

Am I the only one who sees this guy (Wallace Shawn) when Corinne is on my screen?

 

[Armchair Critic]

Danielle who had a boyfriend OD, her constant eye closing while talking got on my nerves but she seems like a sweet person especially compared to Corinne.

[Jax7917]

Is Corinne a real person ? I've never seen anyone crave more attention and be more bachelor in paradise ready than she is .. 

danielle is cute but I don't see her as his type .. and that voice has got to go 

I don't really find any of the girls pretty and they all seem like such ditzes

[awaken]

Corrine was sooooo drunk in her THs. 

[dizzyd]

Nothing screams producer driven more than a non-Bachelor selected winner, especially one selected by a sleazy photographer in short shorts. Guess that means Corinne will be around for a while, darn! My poor eyes are going to stick in the back of my head from all the eye rolling they do when she opens her mouth or is on screen. I can see her being so pissed she wasn't the first contestant to score with Nick.

Fortunately and surprisingly Liz is done, guess there's a limit to the number of producer pawns in their storyline and the spoiled brat or perhaps a bribe from the rich girl wins out. Guess she was done fulfilling her purpose of the drama related to her prior one nighter with Nick at, if you hadn't heard it a million times already, Jade and Tanner's wedding. I really hope this is not her pitch for the next bachelorette, I can't bear to hear it a million times again.

Does anyone else think Christen looks a little bit like Phoebe Cates?

Its like watching UnREAL, only less entertaining and more awkward.

[JenE4]

Cracked myself up seeing Alexis dolphin-shark as the pregnant shotgun bride after joking last week that she might be pregnant under that costume.

Cracked up even more seeing Corrine bragging about being too sexy for a wedding dress and then Eve walks out--and the insecurity and wine start flowing. She even invoked the spirit of Tiera mentioning her sparkle! Then she pulls a half Courtney and gets half naked in the water with her suitor. She's off to a smashing start as the season's villain. While talking to her Nick says, "You're sexy, and I love your [literally puts his hands up and gestures breasts!!!!!!!!!] initiative." Bwhahaha! Just when I think Corrine couldn't get better, she walks back to the girls and says, "My nipple might have been out, but that's okay." Oh, snap! THEN she berates them for not being able to handle being interrupted and gives the camera a Not Here to Make Friends. Corrine, girl, don't pull out all the villain trope on date 1; save some up for future weeks. A third steal!!! And a steal back! Ooooh! A "re-interruption." Wait, after Corrine gives them all a speech about handling steals, she goes off in a tizzy about a "direct hit on a character" and worried about "a situation about a situation." Then she's going off again about interrupting each other and remember that they're all here for themselves. Oh, she's giving HERSELF, not the other girls, this pep talk, I think. I can imagine the poor nanny must have to have to talk her down off a ledge every time she needs her cucumbers.

Danielle was one of my favorites from night 1. I think she's too normal for TV. Yes, she has the dead fiancé sob story. (Drink!) But she was very demure and didn't really show much of a personality. I think she sunk from a top choice to middle of the pack--even though no one else has risen through the ranks for me.

Girl who slapped Nick has gotta go. That's your default mode for a fake break up?! Nope!

My favorite part of the Liz-Nick drama is Christen--the way she was gaping in shock and grabbing everyone, who were none the wiser. As Danielle went down a bit in my esteem, Christen went up. I wasn't impressed with her last week, but she handled all this fairly well as a good friend to Liz. Liz is obviously There for the Wrong Reasons. The girls are going to freak out. I can't wait!

Edited January 10, 2017 by JenE4

[Armchair Critic]

Are the women really that upset that Nick had sex with what's her face, they have already seen him getting it on with multiple women on TV? Seems like a lot of righteous indignation. He let her go so it's not like she has an advantage over them.

[hyacinth]

Damn, I have loved this show for years and I was feeling a little bored tonight.   Thank God for Kendall Jackson Chardonnay.  I may start taking a sip whenever Nick covers his mouth when he talks.   I guess I just wanted him to be more... I don't know, entertaining.

Edited January 10, 2017 by hyacinth

[Ms Blue Jay]

I figured that Caila was half Asian last year and then I started to Google it and of course I got spoiled for the season so I'm not doing it again.  I think Christen is half Asian, but I've been wrong before.  (Like with Jason Lee and Ed Westwick.)  She is really cute regardless, but I started to get tired of her antics by the end of the episode.  Also, she looks like 10 years old!

That girl.  I don't even know her name.  The psychology major.  To me she tries to act like Caila but she ain't cute and doesn't have the charm.

Man, The Real Nick is coming out I guess.  No wonder everyone talks about what a sex freak he is. He certainly seems like it.

My jaw dropped.  This episode was so scandalous, from Corinne to the Liz reveals.  My favourite part was BOTH times that the cameraperson focused on Jasmine barely able to get a drink down because she was so scandalized. Meme-worthy.  LOL

Liz is really not my type and was getting really Fatal Attractiony.  (Yes, even with Corinne there.) I don't get her game at all.  Issues.

There's so much fodder still here, but meh, whatever.  I'm entertained.  Nick is really hot, but his speech is a hangup for me and I think he's hornier than even these women minus Corinne.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Ms Blue Jay

[TiredMe]

did Liz watch How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days before coming on this show? Cuz it seemed like it was calculated to be the worst possible move followed by the next worst move etc. I find it bizarre that she felt anything she did or said was a good idea. 

Ah Corinne, making her parents proud one episode at a time. I can seee why the producers choose her to win that task. She is drama gold. 

[truthaboutluv]

1 hour ago, Armchair Critic said:

Danielle who had a boyfriend OD, her constant eye closing while talking got on my nerves but she seems like a sweet person especially compared to Corinne.

The Danielle date was a palate cleanser after the Corinne show. Listen, I get it, it's a reality show, so we always need the over the top idiot but I don't think I can do it with Corinne. That voice already is so nails on a chalkboard and the drunker she gets, the worse it sounds. By the end of the night Corinne looked like she came straight off the set of a Girls Gone Wild video with the horrible hair, teetering on her heels drunk, etc. Like really?

And the longer she stays, the more annoyed I'll be with Nick. Yeah, yeah, he likes assertive women. But there's a difference between assertive and hot ass mess, which was what Corinne was. And what happened to last week's, "I want to be respectful" when Jasmine tried to get him to come with her and interrupted the one woman's 1 on 1? Tonight he lets Corinne interrupt two different times. 

I know he's not going to pick her because Nick is not dumb and he knows no one will take all his blabbering of finding love seriously if he picks the trashed out 23 year old, but I don't know how long I can last till her eventual elimination. Meanwhile, Danielle is perfection but I didn't see major sparks with her and Nick. Just like Rachel last week, I think Nick liked her as a person and was genuine in his response to her story and enjoyed spending time with her, but I don't think he was really sexually and romantically into her. 

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Are the women really that upset that Nick had sex with what's her face, they have already seen him getting it on with multiple women on TV? Seems like a lot of righteous indignation. He let her go so it's not like she has an advantage over them.

I think that might be a fakeout and the reaction is about more of Corinne's antics. Because they showed scenes of some of the women at the pool party the season promo previewed that had Corinne grinding on Nick in some inflatable thing. If it is about Liz, I think it's a combination of Liz and Corinne.

We saw a few women tonight call out the fact of Nick responding positively to Corinne and wondering if that is an indication of what he's looking for and then they were very confused because Danielle, who is the antithesis of Corinne, got the 1 on 1. So I think they may be feeling like maybe he's just looking for a very sexually aggressive woman instead of a wife you could bring home to mom and they call him out on it. 

eta: Forgot to add that I cannot remember a more abrupt and straightforward elimination like Nick's words tonight to Liz, where the person wasn't this huge villain. It was literally just, "so yeah you need to go now...bye Felicia, don't let the door hit you on your way out". And Liz maintained that weird creepy smile the whole time. I get it though. As Nick has said, this isn't his first rodeo. Yes he was on the other side, but he knows how this show works and he knew keeping Liz would make that dominate most of the season. And there was a risk of it upsetting the women, as we see in the promos. 

Edited January 10, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[lids]

When one of the 'ettes said that she didn't think that Nick would go for the type of woman who would take her top off so early in the game, I was thinking: have they not met Kaitlin? Kaitlin did the same thing early on in Chris S's season.

To be honest though, these women make Kaitlin look classy. I've never seen such trashy-wear - skimpy tops with the straps falling down, bra straps showing, boobs popping out, jean shorts cut to crotch level. Ladies! You are auditioning to become a fake wife not a real porn star.

[MsPH]

What was Liz thinking?! Not much by the looks of things. Way to make an awkward situation infinitely more awkward by basically telling everyone while pretending it's fictional. That must've taken a lot of producer prodding or she's a total idiot. Nick couldn't get rid of her fast enough and I can't blame him at all. She wanted Nick to be a stalker who wouldn't leave her alone after she refused to give her number? Yeah right!

Corinne is insufferable. I give those women a lot of credit for not strangling her already. They probably just pity her, since she's such a trashy mess. A younger trashier Kaitlyn basically. No way was giving her a rose Nick's choice. I smell producer antics.

Danielle M. is sweet, but so not Nick's type. I thought Jen was way too calm and low energy for him and she's practically hyper compared to Danielle.

[operalover]

1 hour ago, Flybutter said:

Am I the only one who sees this guy (Wallace Shawn) when Corinne is on my screen?

 

It's contheevable that they are related!

Edited January 10, 2017 by operalover

[huahaha]

Well, I was completely sucked into the drama, despite being spoiled! I knew Liz was going home, but I still wanted her to have a real moment with Nick. Instead, he freaked out so badly that he couldn't even make eye contact. Painful. 

I guess it's good that Liz demonstrated what not to do when you like a guy. The Bachelor remains a petri dish of 20-30-something romance. 

[Nowhere]

I think Nick is amazing. But for those who don't think he's that cute I say there must be something about him in person that's irresistible. Two seasons of the bachelorette and he makes it to the final two and those two women thought he was sexy as hell. He irritated me at the beginning of Andi's season and by the end I realized all the men were just butt hurt because Nick has game and game is not always about looks. During Kaitlyn's season, I was sure that was the case. The men were jealous because Nick sits there awkwardly basically doing nothing and the women love it. I think he's great now that I saw him on BIP. I like his sense of humor. 

Anyway, I'm calling it now. Vanessa and Danielle for bottom two. Their music is implying it and they're getting really good edits. 

I love the shark who identifies as a dolphin. That girl is adorable but she's a friend zone if I've ever seen one. Nose Balls is also friend zone.

i hate Corinne. Raven was right when she said no wonder this is his fourth try. She actually got the group date rose. That is very telling. He just sent a message to the real women that they are not what he's looking for. I'd have a hard time staying if Corinne gets one more Rose. Not only was she highly inappropriate in the pool, but she cared nothing for the feelings of the other women and "stole him" like a thousand times. That's crazy pants but he liked it. Wow.

[dom16]

I love how outraged Corinne was that the Adam & Eve girl got to wear less clothing than her. Like, "I'M supposed to be the slutty one!"

Raven has quickly become one of my favourites. Snark is the way to my heart.

[Flybutter]

1 hour ago, Armchair Critic said:

Danielle who had a boyfriend OD, her constant eye closing while talking got on my nerves but she seems like a sweet person especially compared to Corinne.

Her eyes got on my nerves too. But then I wondered just how exhausted and sleep-deprived these women must be, especially during the first few days of filming. Add to that the multiple liquored beverages, and my eyelids would be drooping too. Remember, Danielle M. is a ripe old 31 years old, which is downright ancient for this show!

That, or I'm just projecting my own exhaustion from being 42.

[truthaboutluv]

7 minutes ago, dom16 said:

I love how outraged Corinne was that the Adam & Eve girl got to wear less clothing than her. Like, "I'M supposed to be the slutty one!"

Raven has quickly become one of my favourites. Snark is the way to my heart.

And of course the woman who has to wear the costume is all freaked out at first when she sees what she has to wear and Corinne's all "boo, I'm the biggest slut dammit" (TM the fabulous Blanche Devereaux).

As annoying as Corinne was and I give Taylor props for not putting up with her bullshit, Taylor was giving me some delusional vibes as well.  Um did I just miss all this amazing connection Taylor developed with Nick on night 1? Because all I remember is her insisting how much of a piece of shit some of her friends thought he was. But she just kept going on and on about this amazing connection they've built and I am so confused. 

Meanwhile, my favorite person tonight was Astrid. She was hilarious last week when she said that her last boyfriend was seeing someone else without her knowing but at least this time she knows he'll be dating other women. Tonight though, her reaction to Liz's second hand embarrassing inducing breakup was classic. Her baffled,"wait, I'm confused, did they break up?" was hilarious. And then her snarky, "okay great, we'll just sit and ponder that" in response to Christen's annoyingly vague comment that made it clear she knew something about Nick and Liz that they didn't. 

[awaken]

I think Liz should let us know where she met nick, and how long ago. I don't think we heard "jade and tanner's wedding" or "9 months ago" enough times for us to recall. 

[fib]

Oof.  What a mess.  (Corinne that is).  FWIW, yes, Kaitlyn went topless... in the middle of nowhere and not for a photographer.  She also didnt demand that Chris hold her boobs.  Corinne did it in broad daylight as a show.  Kaitlyn did it for fun, and was not particularly flagrant about it.  Two VERY different things.  

I wonder how long it will take Nick to see past her boobs to hear her talk.  She had NOTHING to say.  Especially compared with his actually substantive conversations with a lot of the other women.  He's going to figure that out soon, right?

I really like his conversations generally.  I feel as though I know more about many of these women than I knew about Lauren or Jojo by the end of Ben's seasons.

[truthaboutluv]

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Oof.  What a mess.  (Corinne that is).  FWIW, yes, Kaitlyn went topless... in the middle of nowhere and not for a photographer.  She also didnt demand that Chris hold her boobs.  Corinne did it in broad daylight as a show.  Kaitlyn did it for fun, and was not particularly flagrant about it.  Two VERY different things.  

Wasn't it her ass she showed? I just remember her mooning everyone. But annoying as Kaitlyn is today, she didn't constantly interrupt people and be as pushy as Corinne. In fact if I'm not mistaken, Kaitlyn was very liked by the other women that season. 

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I really like his conversations generally.  I feel as though I know more about many of these women than I knew about Lauren or Jojo by the end of Ben's seasons.

Yeah. Even though I didn't see major romantic/sexual sparks between him and Danielle, I really enjoyed their date. Like I said, it was a palate cleanser after all the drunk Corinne trashiness. I thought what he said to her regarding her fiance was very kind and sweet and it was just nice seeing two people just talk. A welcome break from the face sucking.

eta: I really liked the bonus scene of Alexis celebrating the one year anniversary of her boob job with Nick. I can definitely see why Nick kept Alexis around (even if I'm sure it'll only be for like two/three weeks). Girl just seems fun and not the ridiculous nonsense of Corinne. That moment really seemed like two friends just having a laugh.

Edited January 10, 2017 by truthaboutluv

[backformore]

Corrine is one of those women who is attractive at first glance, but only because of her long blond hair.  her face is rather plain. 

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wonder how long it will take Nick to see past her boobs to hear her talk.  She had NOTHING to say.

Well, you can't talk with your lips pressed up against his, can you?

Is this Corrine's first venture outside of the home and office she shares with her parents?   Because she reminds me of a spoiled rich girl on spring break for the first time ever.  Drink, take off your top, make out with the cute guy, drink more, etc.    It's possible she has talked to Nick, and we didn't see it, and she mentioned her spiel about "I run a multi-million dollar company" which might make her a little more intriguing to him.

[Ketzel]

Well, of course Nick Viall is enjoying having a hot 23-year-old shove her bare breasts into his hands, stick her tongue down his throat multiple times and repeatedly return to chase away the other women and grab him again. I don't think he gave her the rose because the producers insisted; I think he was perfectly willing to reward her efforts. I honestly don't know if she's just a drunk girl on the loose for the first time, or if this is a calculated Kardashianesque plan to get the maximum amount of screen time and Bachelor attention. Time will tell.

Oh dear, Liz certainly played her cards wrong in every way, didn't she? There she was, bridesmaid to JADE at her WEDDING to TANNER, probably deep in discussions with JADE about how JADE was going to get her on The Bachelor. And there's Nick, hot to trot and certainly acceptable for a drunken ONS after the WEDDING. But he was a 2-time loser on The Bachelor, down to doing the low-rent Paradise show. No way a connection with him would help her get on the Big Show. So she brushed him off and OMG!!! NINE MONTHS LATER he's the Bachelor. And suddenly her drunken hook-up becomes currency, at least where the producers are concerned. How sad for her that she lacked the manipulative skills to join the cast and convince Nick she was there for the right reasons after all!

Edited January 10, 2017 by Ketzel

[Madding crowd]

Nick seems to be an odd combination of introvert and sex addict. He came across as really disinterested most of the night, but I will allow that could be just because he is kind of introverted. Not so introverted that he can't hold onto Corinne's boobs or make a toast to dolphin girl's boob job. Corinne is very unattractive to me: the long stringy hair extensions and too wide smile and then there is her horrible personality. She really got mad at being interrupted after she had been interrupting people all evening. She seems very delusional. I thought Danielle was beautiful, classy and smart-so of course Nick won't pick her. He is asking good questions but he doesn't make eye contact with anyone and seems not interested at all.

The whole Liz thing was just weird. She had no interest in getting together with him after the one night stand, and yet tonight she was tearing up constantly and did that really awkward bit at the break up place. What did she want exactly? I have a feeling she was expecting Nick to be really after her from the first day, she would get all the attention, and then somehow end up as the Bachelorette. I think the tears were more that she knew her days were numbered and she won't even be asked to Paradise. I almost think I saw a tiny bit of interest from Nick with Liz, but he knew he had to send her home. Felt sorry for Christen, the messenger is always sent home, if not right away then soon. He asked her and she gave an honest answer, but romance never comes from tattle tales. I wish they could schedule things so we see a rose ceremony every episode. For some reason, I'm fascinated at how the Bachelor chooses or doesn't choose certain woman. I also always wonder about the women on group dates who seem to make no effort to have one on one time. I'm pretty shy but if I was on a show like this, I would at least make the effort. It's possible they do talk to him but it's not shown. 

[backformore]

Is there a rule on this show that when one of the contenders says "can I steal you?"  the lead HAS to say yes?    because for part of the evening, at least the way it was shown, it was nick talks to one girl, Nick makes out with Corrine, Nick talks to another girl, makes out with Corrine again, talks to a third girl, Oops!  there's Corrine!  time to make out! 

I get that he likes confident, assertive women.  But this is needy, selfish, insecure behavior.  He's having a conversation, and she is like "hey! remember me?  you had your hands on by tits!  want to do that again?" 

[In2You]

2 minutes ago, backformore said:

Is there a rule on this show that when one of the contenders says "can I steal you?"  the lead HAS to say yes?    because for part of the evening, at least the way it was shown, it was nick talks to one girl, Nick makes out with Corrine, Nick talks to another girl, makes out with Corrine again, talks to a third girl, Oops!  there's Corrine!  time to make out! 

I get that he likes confident, assertive women.  But this is needy, selfish, insecure behavior.  He's having a conversation, and she is like "hey! remember me?  you had your hands on by tits!  want to do that again?" 

Every time I hear "Can I steal you, for a second" I think of that SNL skit that made fun of Ben's season

[catrice2]

Well, the Thin Man was on TMC and the Bachelor just can't compete.  I did see a lot, but not all of it.  Oh my gosh, I thought I was on some weird loop because every time I would leave the room or the channel I would come back to the same words..."Jade and Tanner's wedding."  Did she really say it that many times in the episode?

I am sure the producers created the impression, but I am glad she is gone.  I did find her creepy.  I also found her confidant creepy. Don't "tease"people. If you are going to spill, then spill or just say nothing. 

I guess most of these girls seem to be so young that I cant take them seriously  Corrine is just a baby, as is Taylor.  As accomplished as she is, she comes across as only slightly less immature than Corrine. 

This show really sells sex!  Some of the "bride" pictures made me uncomfortable.   

Oh my gosh, why didn't anyone prepare me for Nick?  I couldn't understand most of what he was saying.  He has some weird way of talking that sounds really strange.  He reminds me of someone who was overweight at some point in his life and he has lost the weight, but some of the baby fat is still in his face. It isl like  he never became comfortable with his teeth or something.  That would turn me off more than anything. I don't  know, I feel some kind of way watching him talk.  Do they always start to kiss so  many girls so early? 

The only person I hated to hear talk more than Nick was Raven.  Is she overdoing the accent?  And she is NOT cute, most of these girls are not.  Jaime? has got to go and that has nothing to do with a female lover.   Vanessa is really pretty, but she comes across as haughty sometimes.  She reminds me of the blonde that was the last one in Ben's season, something about her mannerisms. 

What is the story with Jasmine?    So far I don't see a "connection" with anyone.  Nick just looks like he is enjoying sucking face with as many girls as he can , especially the ones that actively go for it.  If he had a reputation before the show, I can't see anything he is doing to change that.  

The end credits were so disturbing.  Not only is Dolphin girl unattractive, but a boob ceremony?  The first thing I thought was "I hope you got a discount, or that they gave you the money back." 

I agree, I would lose interest in a man that would continue to choose someone as obvious and immature as Corrine, especially when he is in his thirties. I am not a prude, but drunk hookups should be done in your 20's.  By the time you get in your mid thirties you should have a little more self control.   That would tell me a lot about him, going after the young 20 somethings. .  They are not, however, "here for the right reasons."  Some of them probably already have a deal with Flat tea or the hair vitamins. 

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[Ms Blue Jay]

At least his speech impediment gives him a flaw.  Without it, he'd be so scorching hot, he'd be way too intimidating for any of these women.  I know this opinion won't be universal, LOL.

[In2You]

Nick  talks like he's speaking through new veneers.

[Madding crowd]

I find his looks to be average. He has kind of a baby face, and the speech impediment is really annoying. I would rate him as below some of the other Bachelor's in looks. 

[catrice2]

12 minutes ago, backformore said:

Is there a rule on this show that when one of the contenders says "can I steal you?"  the lead HAS to say yes?    because for part of the evening, at least the way it was shown, it was nick talks to one girl, Nick makes out with Corrine, Nick talks to another girl, makes out with Corrine again, talks to a third girl, Oops!  there's Corrine!  time to make out! 

I get that he likes confident, assertive women.  But this is needy, selfish, insecure behavior.  He's having a conversation, and she is like "hey! remember me?  you had your hands on by tits!  want to do that again?" 

I'm sure the producers tell them to let the girls do that to add to the drama.  It would seem like at some point one of the leads would say "no, I'm sorry I would like to give xxx my full attention" especially if they had already spoken to the interrupter that night.  I feel, however, that the other girls need to be more assertive and say something like, I"m sorry, but now is not a good time, can you come back later?"  

[backformore]

2 minutes ago, In2You said:

Nick  talks like he's speaking through new veneers.

But he's been talking like that for a few seasons now.

[Artsda]

Corrine is totally going to end up naked on Bachelor in Paradise. That seems to be more her style.

Still not sure of everyone's names, but the one that wore the Princess dress was so pretty. That dress was perfect for her. 

Danielle reminds me of Whitney from Farmer Chris's season.

Jade's Maid of Honor made no sense, she was totally out for tv and got called on it. All she had to do was ask Jade for Nick's number, she didn't need to go on TV. She waited for TV. Glad Nick cut her. 

[yorklee2]

I realize that Corrine is this season's version of the villain but she still gets on my nerves regardless of how fake or producer driven she might be. We see this every season. Girl rudely pushes herself on the bachelor flaunting her time with him to the other women with the inevitable catchphrase, "I'm not here to make friends". They see this done season after season and with the exception of Courtney in Ben F's season it never gets them to F1. If the endgame is to be the last one standing, or even to get close enough to be in contention for the bachelorette, way to endure yourself with the viewers. I think the only reason these girls go as far as they do is because they are kept around to ensure drama. Still makes it hard not to hate on them with their over the top antics.

Liz, Liz, Liz...what can I say? Even if you somehow made it to BIP I don't think many men would be attracted to you with your delusional and clingy actions. And that creepy look on her face at the end. What was that? It was like the half smile/smirk was froze on her face as inside she was feeling so embarressed and utterly rejected. Also if Nick was even slightly entertaining the notion to keep you on a little longer way to seal your fate by divulging your little, "secret". That was actually kind of painful to watch.

I thought the group dates were fun with the photo shoot and breakup performances. Somehow don't think Josephine will last much longer with that slap she gave Nick even if it was in fun. She seemed to really get into it and was enjoying it a little too much. Might have been a little bit too realistic in his mind.

Edited January 10, 2017 by yorklee2

[yorklee2]

Sorry just had a double post. Does anyone know how to delete a post if you don't want or need it up anymore?

Edited January 10, 2017 by yorklee2

[backformore]

The producers must hate Liz.  a number of her TH's looked like they got her out of the shower to be interviews.  Her hair was practically dripping wet.

[TomGirl]

Corinne is a cross between Erica Rose and Vienna.  This is not meant as a compliment.

[locomoco]

If an elephant sat on Corinne, I wouldn't be too broken up about it... unless the elephant got hurt in the process.

[chocolatine]

I have a hard time getting worked up about Corinne's antics because everything about her screams producer plant/BIP audition. Nick knows it too and is just playing along. This many years into the show it's the women that are scandalized/intimidated by her that end up looking ridiculous. Especially Taylor with her Master's degree in psychology from Johns freaking Hopkins.

I almost fell asleep during Danielle's date. Lovely woman, but so dull. She should have taken a cue from Emily Maynard on how to tell a sob story.

When I saw the photos of the women before the season started, I thought Liz was gorgeous. But boy, is she insane with her stare and maniacal grin. Her screen caption says she's a doula, but I doubt that anyone who's seen her on the Bachelor will let her deliver their baby.

Edited January 10, 2017 by chocolatine

[LittleCabbage]

Liz: "We got drunk and f*cked, but I didn't want to give him my number because he doesn't know me like that."

Oh, those crazy kids of today and their kooky mating rituals! Back in my day you gave the guy your phone number first, and then maybe you'd let him put his penis in your vagina!

[Padma]

I thought Liz was one of the prettiest--maybe the prettiest--there. But her goal was clearly just to be on television (and I think she'll get her wish with BIP.) I liked how Nick handled the whole thing.  He consistently spoke positively of their one night stand and of Liz personally, including when so blindsided by her already having told Kristen (kudos to her for keeping it secret from the other girls).

Liz telling about it--not to mention coming on the show and creating an awkward, possible "relationship ending" problem for Nick and the others--showed that she really didn't care about his well-being at all.  I liked how you can see his mind working and how he was calmly making his decision. (Ironically, much nicer than the Museum of Broken Relationships ev er did).

The show loves its dramas, but I'm surprised they don't worry about overplaying their hand.  After all, a lot of the Stockholm Syndrome they always create is this fantasy of the wonderful prize--the great Prince Charming.  Watching him fall in love with Andi...then Kaitlyn... wouldn't necessarily squelch that feeling, even though he was rejected both times.

But somehow his one night stand with Liz at the wedding just seems like "not much of a prize".  Granted, he was unattached, not cheating on anyone, but it just seems "too easy" for your would-be boyfriend. Not very romantic. (Easier to hear about than to actually have been living with the woman for a few days and having no idea they'd ever slept together. Kind of creepy.)

Leads should know that the producers are going to mess with them and make them look bad, but it always still surprises me--and surely seems to surprise them.

[violetr]

3 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Nick seems to be an odd combination of introvert and sex addict.

Ha! It's true. He's sexy and awkward at the same time. And when he gets nervous he kinds starts babbling. I get the feeling he's still not sure this is actually happening. It's very entertaining. 

[Wandering Snark]

2 hours ago, Artsda said:

Corrine is totally going to end up naked on Bachelor in Paradise. That seems to be more her style.

It's like she thinks she IS on BiP... or that that is all she knows of the 'world' she's involved herself in. I would have said to her "Okay hon, next time you'll need a token to talk to me. Is there one that says "Take a Five Minute Time Out"? he has that whole bag afterall... Cause girl is trying aproximately 34 times too hard. The most telling part though was her applauding herself for "Having clothes on and then taking them off and how 'out of her comfort zone' she was pushing herself. Great, pyscho AND deluded, what a winning combo.

Speaking of psycho, there's Liz. As Gordon Ramsey would say... Wow. Wow wow wow. I loved Nick saying that the more he talks to her the less sense she makes. There was a way to make their past 'funny and endearing' and move on from there but she took the wrong way at every step! But speaking of The Wrong Step I don't think that coming right out with "We met at a wedding and HAD SEX." Was the right way to handle it, but then he must have been tired, emotionally drained and more than a little drunk by then so maybe he couldn't do anything but blurt it out?

But the way to go about that one I think was more to the tune of "So I just sent Liz home. *pause for everyone to freak out and then get past it* because I doubt she was being genuine about her reasons for being here. See... we'd met at wedding about 9 months ago (since that seems to be law that people mention the time) and had a bit of an awkward drunken evening after which she said she didn't want my number. I was surprised to see her here and more surprised at her answers regarding why she was came here and didn't try to get in touch. Out of respect to the rest of you *look around, make eye contact, pause* that I've been having a great time getting to know, I sent her home. So, let's get out of here huh?"

Oh well. And Nick, stop doing that thing where you put your hand your face and half cover your mumbling mushmouth.

Edited January 10, 2017 by Wandering Snark

[nutty1]

I hate when they focus so much on the villain that everyone else is just background. I never miss an episode of this stupid show, but was tempted to turn it off last night.

[Superpole2000]

The wedding dress date was too sleazy. The topless outfit, the indiscriminate kissing, and most of all the contrived Corinne bullshit just made me want to skip ahead. So I did...to Nick handing out the rose to Corinne. Whatever, show.

The museum of broken relationships (that's not even a thing) was such filler. Then when I realized they had set it all up to break out the Liz storyline I skipped ahead again. The writing on this show isn't good enough to make these phony segments watchable.

I have so many questions about Danielle's drug overdose backstory.

[alexa]

What I didn't get is that Nick started to appear annoyed by her constant interruptions, so when he gave her the rose I was totally confused.  What a way to make the other women feel included... he knows better than that how that impacts his relationships with everyone else.

Also the Liz thing, as others have covered, he did well getting rid of her.  She made no sense at all.

[DEL901]

To say Liz is an idiot is an understatement.  All of Nick's questions were reasonable and she had no prepared answers.  Did she think he'd be so excited to see her (does she think she's that memorable in bed???) that he'd forget the fact that she didn't want his number and didn't want to see him again until he was the Bachelor?.   And her pathetic excuse... I don't like to talk on the phone when I know someone... I like to see them in person????  Seriously?  You think talking in front of television cameras is more intimate?  

As for Corinne... Nick lost a lot of points with the women over giving her not just any rose, but the group date rose.  I think that will bother more of them than the whole Liz thing since he was blind-sided by her.  On the other hand, she and Corrine together are evidence that maybe he is really just a man-ho out for notches.

On the other hand, I like that he does have conversations and asks follow up questions.  He listens and responds.  Remember Ben Flapjack?  They'd talk and he'd kiss then so he didn't have to talk back, even if he was planning on sending them home.

[dleighg]

8 hours ago, In2You said:

I think of that SNL skit that made fun of Ben's season

But what is Kellyanne Conway doing on The Bachelor? :)