Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Absolom]

Maternity clothes would almost always be an expense since they don't accrue value no matter how many pregnancies they are worn.  I'd guess the cheap ones make it through only one or two pregnancies and the mid range through possibly three depending on how often they're worn.  

Joy is likely buying a few midrange pieces but most are from Walmart and resale shops.  As often as she may be pregnant, this is one area where maybe buying a few Walmart tops and some medium price maternity jeans works.  She's going to be so sick of the same few tops at the end of the pregnancy she may never want to see them again or as large as she gets they may be stretched out and only good for the last couple of months on reuse.

Edited March 5, 2023 by Absolom

[floridamom]

Sorry to say that it doesn't sound like Joy and Austin are giving little Gideon any speech therapy. I could hardly understand him. He sounded 2 years behind to me. Evie should also be lined up for this as she has a pronounced lisp. Henry Seewald also needs to be brought up to par on his situation. It seems to me that these parents don't really care about their childrens' needs. Makes me sad for them. I hope Gideon enjoyed his birthday celebrations. 

[jacourt]

There’s  a slight difference between joy’s kids birthdays and Jessa’s. Good for Joy and Austin for making it special. Austin interacts with the kids so well. Ben always seems to be stiff with his kids. 

[Salacious Kitty]

28 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Sorry to say that it doesn't sound like Joy and Austin are giving little Gideon any speech therapy. I could hardly understand him. He sounded 2 years behind to me. Evie should also be lined up for this as she has a pronounced lisp. Henry Seewald also needs to be brought up to par on his situation. It seems to me that these parents don't really care about their childrens' needs. Makes me sad for them. I hope Gideon enjoyed his birthday celebrations. 

I work with kids who have just turned 5. Gideon is far behind them verbally. 

[Madtown]

They all care more about birthing babies than the education of the children they already have. 

[Teriacky]

I had speech therapy as a child and it’s the best thing that ever happened to me. 
On the minus side, I always missed my math class on therapy days so even though I speak clearly and have worked in radio, I can’t do math worth a damn! 

[floridamom]

As I have posted before, our local public school system did wonders with my son from age 3 to age 5....all services were free to us, thank God. My son, now 31, gives great motivational speeches in front of hundreds of people with excellent diction. It's such a shame that Joy and Jessa don't help their sons excel. Their potential will never be realized, as for all of the children in this family.

[libgirl2]

3 hours ago, Teriacky said:

I had speech therapy as a child and it’s the best thing that ever happened to me. 
On the minus side, I always missed my math class on therapy days so even though I speak clearly and have worked in radio, I can’t do math worth a damn! 

My son had it. He said d for th, so like dese, dem, dose...... he sounded like he should be in a gangster movie. 

He liked it because the speech teacher always gave him candy. I met her once and she looked just like Kristin Davis from Sex and the City. I even told her. She had no idea who I was talking about (and this was about 20 years ago!). 

I don't know if these people would consider speech therapy. They probably think that Jesus will cure it. No, Jesus gives us intelligent people who can help us with out problems. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by libgirl2

[ozziemom]

Speech therapist would probably expect to see Giddy on a regular basis, and if Joy is anything like her bestie Carlin, that would be an issue. Who can remember what time or even what date to go. 

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

Speech therapist would probably expect to see Giddy on a regular basis, and if Joy is anything like her bestie Carlin, that would be an issue. Who can remember what time or even what date to go. 

No structure with these people whatsoever. The only one I can see having structure are Jeremy and Jinger. I don't know why but I can see him having their day planned out.

[Salacious Kitty]

11 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

My son had it. He said d for th, so like dese, dem, dose...... he sounded like he should be in a gangster movie. 

He liked it because the speech teacher always gave him candy. I met her once and she looked just like Kristin Davis from Sex and the City. I even told her. She had no idea who I was talking about (and this was about 20 years ago!). 

I don't know if these people would consider speech therapy. They probably think that Jesus will cure it. No, Jesus gives us intelligent people who can help us with out problems. 

Jessa took Henry to a speech therapist on the show. Who knows if she followed up, but Henry's speech still seems delayed. She might have taken him a few times, saw some initial results, and decided he was cured. 

I hope someone can get through to Joy. No clue how close she is with Jessa these days.

[GeeGolly]

Giddy was also seen by a specialist. IIRC, he has some type of auditory processing disorder in addition to speech issues. I wouldn't be surprised if he had ADHD too.

I don't think Joy understands the enormity of the problem.

[satrunrose]

I'm really surprised that speech issues are something that aren't getting dealt with. I don't like, but I can see how math, reading, science, social studies etc aren't a priority because dad or their fathers in laws will give them stuff to do in exchange for money (either actual money or dad pays the bills, it's still not clear) and as for the rest, Jesus and KJV take care of it. But being a preacher is the pinnacle of Funny achievement. So why aren't they making sure the boys can actually talk?

[sagittarius sue]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Giddy was also seen by a specialist. IIRC, he has some type of auditory processing disorder in addition to speech issues. I wouldn't be surprised if he had ADHD too.

I don't think Joy understands the enormity of the problem.

I've wondered about ADHD myself after seeing how often he's running around and being very disruptive in videos.

53 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

I'm really surprised that speech issues are something that aren't getting dealt with. I don't like, but I can see how math, reading, science, social studies etc aren't a priority because dad or their fathers in laws will give them stuff to do in exchange for money (either actual money or dad pays the bills, it's still not clear) and as for the rest, Jesus and KJV take care of it. But being a preacher is the pinnacle of Funny achievement. So why aren't they making sure the boys can actually talk?

I think JB & Meech are content enough with the daughters marrying preachers, but it doesn't seem they're interested in that as a career for the sons.  They appear to steer them to hands-on jobs.

[cmr2014]

2 hours ago, ozziemom said:

Speech therapist would probably expect to see Giddy on a regular basis, and if Joy is anything like her bestie Carlin, that would be an issue. Who can remember what time or even what date to go. 

They really aren't capable of doing anything that requires commitment or consistency (see the endless string of disappearing kittens and puppies). 

It's possible that Joy has some sort of exercises she's supposed to practice with Gideon, but they just never get done. It's far more important for her to create more children than it is to care for the ones she already has.

[AstridM]

3 hours ago, satrunrose said:

I'm really surprised that speech issues are something that aren't getting dealt with. I don't like, but I can see how math, reading, science, social studies etc aren't a priority because dad or their fathers in laws will give them stuff to do in exchange for money (either actual money or dad pays the bills, it's still not clear) and as for the rest, Jesus and KJV take care of it. But being a preacher is the pinnacle of Funny achievement. So why aren't they making sure the boys can actually talk?

IDK, but look at the Rodrigues boys 

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

They really aren't capable of doing anything that requires commitment or consistency (see the endless string of disappearing kittens and puppies). 

It's possible that Joy has some sort of exercises she's supposed to practice with Gideon, but they just never get done. It's far more important for her to create more children than it is to care for the ones she already has.

And travel cross country during a pandemic while heavily pregnant.

[oliviabenson]

Joy said she will homeschool for 30 minutes a day. I don’t think she will take him to speech therapy or any other therapy or help for that matter. 

As long as he can be like daddy all is good.

[GeeGolly]

8 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

Joy said she will homeschool for 30 minutes a day. I don’t think she will take him to speech therapy or any other therapy or help for that matter. 

As long as he can be like daddy all is good.

This is beyond sad. Our brains are the most receptive to interventions when we're young. At some point Joy and Austin are going to have a very disappointing epiphany when they realize Giddy has paid the price for their negligence.

[SMama]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

This is beyond sad. Our brains are the most receptive to interventions when we're young. At some point Joy and Austin are going to have a very disappointing epiphany when they realize Giddy has paid the price for their negligence.

I doubt it will even register with those two. They are a very good match, but seem to share one firing neuron. Of anyone dares mention Gideon’s speech delay they will say he says things a little differently.

BTW, I thought Gideon was celebrating his fourth birthday and was telling SBaba about his obvious speech difficulties. I was stunned that he’s actually five years old.

Both our kids had speech therapy and had processing issues (One bio, one adopted, I was sure it was my fault). As another poster said, help is available and free through the school district. Joy could have also received the services free from the speech therapist who did Gideon’s evaluation in exchange for the publicity. But consistency and commitment are foreign concepts to these people. It’s sad because Gideon’s speech is more delayed than either of my two babies at the same age and we were really worried about them. 

[anyasmom]

Speaking from experience, I'm sure Joy and Austin can understand what Gideon is saying.  My daughter definitely needed and benefitted from speech therapy, but I could always figure out what she was trying to say.  I had to work as a "translator" between her and new acquaintances though.  Gideon probably isn't exposed to many strangers so Joy and Austin probably aren't aware how much help he needs.   Not that I'm defending them, but I can see how it might not be as obvious to them as others.

[SMama]

4 minutes ago, anyasmom said:

Not that I'm defending them, but I can see how it might not be as obvious to them as others.

I completely understand a parent understanding what the kid says. The problem is Gideon was evaluated by a professional with actual credentials. They are aware Gideon is delayed and are sitting on their asses when they could be making sure their child gets the help he needs. Typical fundie parenting. 

[anyasmom]

It's really sad that these kids will never reach their potential just because their parents can't be bothered to actually parent.  Most parents WANT their children to have a better life than them.  These fundies are all about repressing these kids and dooming them to a mediocre life at best.

[Meow Mix]

1 hour ago, anyasmom said:

Speaking from experience, I'm sure Joy and Austin can understand what Gideon is saying.  My daughter definitely needed and benefitted from speech therapy, but I could always figure out what she was trying to say.  I had to work as a "translator" between her and new acquaintances though.  Gideon probably isn't exposed to many strangers so Joy and Austin probably aren't aware how much help he needs.   Not that I'm defending them, but I can see how it might not be as obvious to them as others.

A friend of mine's middle son had speech delays and she said the same about being able to understand him and translating.  The speech therapist worked with her and her son to change that dynamic because he would rely on his mom doing the translating for him. 

In Joy's case, she did post a video of Gideon being evaluated and what the speech therapist told her (at least some of it).  There was definitely reference to consistency by the therapist which went in one ear and out the other for Joy.  Poor kid really needs more than what he is getting.

[Notabug]

12 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

A friend of mine's middle son had speech delays and she said the same about being able to understand him and translating.  The speech therapist worked with her and her son to change that dynamic because he would rely on his mom doing the translating for him. 

In Joy's case, she did post a video of Gideon being evaluated and what the speech therapist told her (at least some of it).  There was definitely reference to consistency by the therapist which went in one ear and out the other for Joy.  Poor kid really needs more than what he is getting.

My nephew went to a speech therapist when he was 3 or 4.  The first thing the therapist did was to tell my sister not to respond when his speech was not clear and to never 'translate' for others except in emergencies; that he'd become complacent about improving his speech because she was doing all the work for him.  His speech got remarkably better in just a few weeks after she stopped running interference for him.

I think Joy, as is the Duggar way, is taking the easy way out with Gideon's speech delay.  It's just easier to ignore it and wait for him to figure it out than to actually work with him on improving.  This is a situation where exposure to other kids in preschool or kindergarten would do wonders in helping him improve.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Notabug

[anyasmom]

I can definitely see how some kids would get complacent about trying to improve their speech.  And maybe Gideon would fall into that category, especially since he's probably not meeting lots of people who can't understand him.  My daughter was so frustrated when she couldn't be understood that she would eventually cry.  It broke my heart as a parent, and I really had to be an advocate to get her speech therapy.  I was told things like "It's not that bad.  It's just a few consonants.  She will outgrow it."  Umm no.  She's frustrated.  I can't picture Joy and Austin pushing to get Gideon therapy.  If they were told some of the things I heard, they would just agree because that's easier than sticking with a therapy schedule.

[SMama]

49 minutes ago, Notabug said:

This is a situation where exposure to other kids in preschool or kindergarten would do wonders in helping him improve.

Heck, expose him as much as possible to Gracie. That little girl’s speech is so clear. Throw in Henry while you’re at it. 

[Spazamanaz]

6 hours ago, Notabug said:

My nephew went to a speech therapist when he was 3 or 4.  The first thing the therapist did was to tell my sister not to respond when his speech was not clear and to never 'translate' for others except in emergencies; that he'd become complacent about improving his speech because she was doing all the work for him.  His speech got remarkably better in just a few weeks after she stopped running interference for him.

 

I was told the same thing from sons speech therapist and aide. It was hard for me to not help him, but the more he spoke the better he became. 

[AgathaC]

This sort of thing really frustrates me! My next-to-youngest sister was born with a cleft palate as well as developmental delays. We could usually understand her and, when we couldn’t, my youngest sister (only 16 months younger) could. But when we were around other people, the difficulties were more clear. She had extensive speech therapy and while she’s obviously not typical in her speech, she’s not hard to understand and is able to communicate well. Early intervention is so important. It baffles me how/why some parents won’t do whatever they can to help their children reach their full potential.

Edited March 8, 2023 by AgathaC

[CalicoKitty]

I don't think these parents understand the concept of "potential".  The parents get attention for having a baby.  Nothing is expected from said child as far as education or career.  They just need to learn to instantly obey and quote scripture.  They are not to have any curiosity about anything.  The boys will have some kind of job working for a relative.  The girls will marry and have babies. "What do you want to be when you grow up?" is not a question they are ever asked because there are no choices.  So clear speech or being able to control one's behavior in an age-appropriate manner just doesn't matter.  So why should the parents take the time for "school" or speech therapy?  And so the cycle continues.

[lookeyloo]

1 minute ago, CalicoKitty said:

I don't think these parents understand the concept of "potential".  The parents get attention for having a baby.  Nothing is expected from said child as far as education or career.  They just need to learn to instantly obey and quote scripture.  They are not to have any curiosity about anything.  The boys will have some kind of job working for a relative.  The girls will marry and have babies. "What do you want to be when you grow up?" is not a question they are ever asked because there are no choices.  So clear speech or being able to control one's behavior in an age-appropriate manner just doesn't matter.  So why should the parents take the time for "school" or speech therapy?  And so the cycle continues.

All true except Austin has a job ("career") - or is he dependent on a relative?  He must be able to read, use math, understand a contract, etc?  Or not?  Their house still seems to be standing, hasn't fallen down, burnt down, plumbing works, etc.  I remember he had a problem with permits a while back.  Maybe he figured that out.  Very confusing how they live.  Not my style either.

[CalicoKitty]

1 minute ago, lookeyloo said:

All true except Austin has a job ("career") - or is he dependent on a relative?  He must be able to read, use math, understand a contract, etc?  Or not?  Their house still seems to be standing, hasn't fallen down, burnt down, plumbing works, etc.  I remember he had a problem with permits a while back.  Maybe he figured that out.  Very confusing how they live.  Not my style either.

I'm not sure if Austin works with family or not.  I will not be surprised if Giddy ends up working for him, however.  Hopefully he will learn basic math and be able to read forms and receipts.  I don't know how well Joy can read or what math skills she has.  Giddy probably won't learn more than she knows, especially in the 30 minutes a day she says she "has school".

[SMama]

8 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I'm not sure if Austin works with family or not.  I will not be surprised if Giddy ends up working for him, however.  Hopefully he will learn basic math and be able to read forms and receipts.  I don't know how well Joy can read or what math skills she has.  Giddy probably won't learn more than she knows, especially in the 30 minutes a day she says she "has school".

I think it was Joy who said she didn’t take algebra because she didn’t have any use for it after graduating. Just as well since I don’t think there was anyone at the TTH capable of teaching the subject. 

[lookeyloo]

11 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I'm not sure if Austin works with family or not.  I will not be surprised if Giddy ends up working for him, however.  Hopefully he will learn basic math and be able to read forms and receipts.  I don't know how well Joy can read or what math skills she has.  Giddy probably won't learn more than she knows, especially in the 30 minutes a day she says she "has school".

Well, if poor giddy remains so undereducated Austin may finally get frustrated 10 years down the road.  Or not.

[AstridM]

53 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

All true except Austin has a job ("career") - or is he dependent on a relative?  He must be able to read, use math, understand a contract, etc?  Or not?  Their house still seems to be standing, hasn't fallen down, burnt down, plumbing works, etc.  I remember he had a problem with permits a while back.  Maybe he figured that out.  Very confusing how they live.  Not my style either.

Joy seems very focused on exploiting the family on SM and YouTube, which makes me wonder how desperate they are for money. Austin seems to have a lot of free time. I assume they will one day take over the “family camp” from his awful dad, so yeah. 

[Ljohnson1987]

On 2/21/2023 at 4:23 PM, LolaGeek said:

At least she was early? 🤷‍♀️

That's not Duggar time. Lol!

[Ljohnson1987]

I hope Joy schedules a C-Section for this delivery. Looks like another big baby. 

[Salacious Kitty]

2 hours ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I hope Joy schedules a C-Section for this delivery. Looks like another big baby. 

She's being watched for gestational diabetes. I think she likely had it with Giddy, being a 10 lb baby, but she didn't seek real medical care during that pregnancy. 

[lookeyloo]

4 hours ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I hope Joy schedules a C-Section for this delivery. Looks like another big baby. 

Isn't she going to a "real" doctor?  I guess they will help determine what kind of birth and when?

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Isn't she going to a "real" doctor?  I guess they will help determine what kind of birth and when?

She's seeing specialists due to being high risk. And yes, baby is measuring large.

[Absolom]

She's had two c-sections already.  I doubt they're going to want to gamble very much on a vbac. 

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Absolom said:

She's had two c-sections already.  I doubt they're going to want to gamble very much on a vbac. 

Well, lets hope she listens to the doctors.

[Salacious Kitty]

Didn't realize that Evy was also a C-section. That should hopefully keep her litter at a reasonable number. 

[beckie]

14 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Didn't realize that Evy was also a C-section. That should hopefully keep her litter at a reasonable number. 

Wasn't Evy a v-back?

[ginger90]

15 hours ago, Absolom said:

She's had two c-sections already.  I doubt they're going to want to gamble very much on a vbac. 

I thought Evelyn was a VBAC?

[Absolom]

Too many babies for me to be sure now.  

[Meow Mix]

Jill has had all three as c-sections.  Evie was a VBAC.  Not sure what the doctors will recommend with the latest for Joy since the baby is measuring large and she already failed the at home glucose test.  

[Notabug]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I thought Evelyn was a VBAC?

Yes, Evelyn was a VBAC and Joy seemed to do pretty well with the labor.  Looking at a pregnant woman is no way to determine the size of the child.  Joy is somewhat short and short-waisted; she will always look bigger than most at the end of a pregnancy, she doesn't have anywhere for her belly to go but out.  An experienced practitioner laying hands on her can predict the baby's size about as well as an ultrasound; both have a 10-15% range of error.

I presume she will try to deliver vaginally and her doctor will monitor her labor carefully and be ready to change plans if she has any difficulty.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Notabug

[Salacious Kitty]

@NotabugI n the latest vlog, Joy said baby was measuring large and that she's being monitored for GD. 

[floridamom]

Between the c-sections, a lost pregnancy, large babies and another failed glusose test, if I were these two I would seriously consider a smaller family. Nothing wrong with 3 children with a healthy/living mother.

[ginger90]

When she was in labor the last time, Joy said she was done and she wanted to adopt.