S07.E01: The Day Will Come When You Won't Be

[halgia]

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Last season ended with Rick and our group kneeling helplessly before Negan and his group; what Negan does will haunt those who survive forever.

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[whydoievencare]

Oh my god.

[Samsnee]

Tell me again why last season's finale couldn't have just been the first 20 minutes of this premiere, and the ending have been Neegan dragging Rick into the RV?

Oh right, because the writers think they are as clever as Neegan with another one of his fucking monologues.

[AimingforYoko]

Just now, Samsnee said:

Tell me again why last season's finale couldn't have just been the first 20 minutes of this premiere, and the ending have been Neegan dragging Rick into the RV?

Hire this man!

[phoenix780]

Props to AMC. That was a masterclass in dragging things out and muting emotional impact. And reusing footage/audio, like on the old He-Man cartoons. 

Terrible episode, imho. But it'll get huge ratings and seemed low effort so, y'know, good on them. 

[Boofish]

My boyfriend looks like JDM. He is not getting laid tonight 

[placate]

I decided to write something positive after ragging on the premiere, at least it's not Fear the Walking Dead.

[MichaelaRae]

I am literally wrung out from all of the crying and gagging and "nope nope nope nope NOPE"ing I was doing (and I was inadvertently spoiled). This should be work PTO criteria. I can't be expected to function tomorrow.

Edited October 24, 2016 by MichaelaRae

[minamurray78]

I need a shower after that.

And a set of earplugs if I'm gonna make it through a season of this guy's constant yapping.

[xaxat]

Negan sure does love the sound of his voice.

I didn't like it. It felt like the action was driven more by a desire to subvert viewer expectations than good storytelling.

[Straycat80]

If this season is going to be all about Negan, his incessant talking, torture and chopping parts of Daryl I think I'm out. Or until someone kills Negan.  Why didn't Rick grab the ax out of the table and whack Negan in the head while he was driving? Whatever...RIP Abe and Glenn. 

Edited October 24, 2016 by Straycat80

[Spartan Girl]

I'm glad I was spoiled but that still hurt like hell.

RIP Glenn.  Seeing his last few moments of life was worse than Hershel. Poor, poor Maggie.

RIP Abe. At least he got some good last words, telling Negan to suck his nuts. At least he's with his kids again....and to a lesser extent, the horrible crazy wife that got them killed -- yes, I know she was raped and traumatized BUT STILL...

Fuck you, Negan. I think I'm taking a hiatus from this show for a while.

[Lillith]

I was spoiled even though I wasn't sure it was accurate.  Too much torture porn, not enough emotional connection. I may truly finally be done with this show. I gave up on FTWD in the middle of the first episode of the second season and now it may be time to switch to something else. Or read more. 

[Red Fields]

It's fitting that the weather is not cooperating on the outdoor show.

[peach]

I was spoiled so I decided not to watch it, and reading the live chat thread assures me I made the right decision. 

[Reghan]

Ironically we had to put my cat, Maggie, down today.  R.I.P Glenn and Maggie the cat

Edited October 24, 2016 by Reghan

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Oh man, the vision of Glen and Abe, with the group at the Garden Party.

 

 holding baby Gleggie, Sasha pregnant.

 

Damn.

[laschifosavita]

I feel like I was supposed to be getting off on this.  I'm a huge horror fan, and I am skeeved out.  That is not easy to do.

[nodorothyparker]

I seriously cannot get my head around the fact that Kirkman and Gimple and whoever sat around in a room yanking each other's dicks and telling each other that this was going to be great TV.  They put this on TV thinking they'd done something just amazing.  And other people at AMC and wherever looked at it and said, sure.

I don't have the energy for the inevitable tongue bath Hardwick will be giving.

Edited October 24, 2016 by nodorothyparker

[EllenC]

Truly I don't see the point of all the violence tonight. (And yes, I know this is a violent show -- but this ... ) They could have started with the aftermath and more of the character reaction (even better if we'd known the victim(s) at end of last season) -- that's what I care about. I may not watch for a while after this one.

Edited October 24, 2016 by EllenC

[Latsmile]

I've never watched so many seasons of a show and bailed but that was the most boring hour of TV I've forced myself to sit through in a long time. I'll probably read recaps for awhile and see if those can hold my interest.  Deleting Talking Dead, don't care to hear them gush (like Abe and Glenn's heads?!) over how epic it was.   Zzzzzz.

[mustbekarma]

This episode sucked big, hairy buffalo ..... All right, I'm not going to cuss in this post. Suffice it to say, listening to Negan's Nattering (TM) rose my blood pressure to such high levels I'm sure I'm going to need by Losartan doubled at tomorrow's doctor visit. I need Negan to die so badly. I crave his brutal, horrific death via throat being torn out by Rick's teeth, leg being chopped off and eaten by Termites, and eaten by Walkers simultaneously. I crave this as much as I crave chocolate, Donald Trump to lose the election, and a crate of Moscato D'Asti. If Lucille could somehow have carnal knowledge of Negan before his gloriously brutal death, that would be even better.

I'm not watching this show again until I know for sure that Negan dies. This kind of villain doesn't need to hang around episode after unending episode. This villain needs to die with a glorious comeuppance.

The family scene at the end with Maggie, that should have broken my heart. I only felt mild empathy.

NEGAN.....RUINS......EVERYTHING! Yes, I am screaming this as loudly as I can. What, there's nobody in the house to hear me.

4 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

If this season is going to be all about Negan, his incessant talking, torture and chopping parts off Glenn I think I'm out. Or until someone kills Negan.  Why didn't Rick grab the ax out of the table and whack Negan in the head while he was driving? Whatever...RIP Abe and Glenn. 

The rest of the group were hostages. That's why Rick stopped fighting.

[walnutqueen]

1 minute ago, Boofish said:

My boyfriend looks like JDM. He is not getting laid tonight 

I'd have ghost sex with Denny Duquette ... Negan, not so much.    So, which one is he?  :)

 

Kirkman is a fucking wanker.   That is all.

[Mu Shu]

Blah blah blah,  brutal beating, blah blah, brutal beating, blah blah, drive around, blah blah blah, you belong to me, oh, and take this truck. 

[Geillis]

The writers need a better trope.  The bully scenarios are getting old.  I certainly hope that by the end of the season Negan gets his comeuppance, and that next year there are different challenges instead of war with the newest bully.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Geillis
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[HolmesUltimateQu]

I know I'm not saying what we haven't already said - but it's so fucked up to tease us with Glenn's death in the mid-season last season and then give us this. And that stupid "what could've been" -- fuck you, show. Fuck you.

[oakville]

I think the show is making a mistake in making Neegan the focus of the show. This episode was confusing to follow with the walkers in the smog. I don't like Neegan. it makes no sense for him to allow any of Rick's group to live. They will all want revenge on him & try to kill him. Management by "baseball bat with chains" is not a good way at increasing productivity of the labor force. Neeganis creating to many enemies.

I am upset that Abraham & Glenn were killed.

[ghoulina]

Okay, I'm still pissed that they delayed the whole thing, but I'll admit - they got me. It wasn't even necessarily losing Abraham. And Glenn. Abraham - meh. He was kind of pissing me off lately, with how he handled the whole love triangle thing. And I adore Glenn, but his fakeout death took a lot of the impact out of it. No, but what got me was the reaction of everyone who was left. This show is really saved by the actors - especially Andy and Danai. Just brutal reactions. 

Those final moments, of them all coming together, even Rosita and Sasha, reminds me why I love this show. 

Also, that shit with Carl's arm about killed me. I really and truly thought they'd go for it. I had my fingers over my face, was crying out for him to stop - everything. SO glad Carl didn't have to lose another part of his body. 

Negan can get fucked. I know a lot of people enjoy him because he's so "charismatic". Personally? I think he talks too fucking much and I'm over his theatrics. He is beyond brutal. It's quite clear that he operates by hurting other people, not you, if you fuck up. Quite frankly, that terrifies me. 

I don't know how they're going to get out of this one, but now that they're going to have to do Negan's dirty work, they're going to further blur that line between good and evil - which they already started blurring by going after Negan's men in the first place. Talk about hindsight. 

So yea, I still feel they're being too gimmicky, but the actors saved it. I liked the episode and was disgusted by it all at once.

[jcin617]

Negan is not interesting.  He's not an interesting villain in the sense of story-telling, he's just sadistic.   And he won't. shut. up.   I am probably just going to wait until the season is over and watch on Netflix.   I've got better shows like Westworld to watch instead.

Edited October 24, 2016 by jcin617

[candall]

3 minutes ago, Reghan said:

Ironically we had to put my cat, Maggie, down today.  R.I.P Glenn and Maggie 

Oh, your sweet kitten--sooo sorry.

[oakville]

7 minutes ago, Reghan said:

Ironically we had to put my cat, Maggie, down today.  R.I.P Glenn and Maggie the cat

I am so sorry for your loss. The loss of any pet is devastating.

3 minutes ago, jcin617 said:

Negan is not interesting.  He's not a interesting villain in the sense of story-telling, he's just sadistic.   And he won't. shut. up.   I am probably just going to wait until the season is over and watch on Netflix.   I've got better shows like Westworld to watch instead.

They have to do a back story on Negan. I don't know why he thinks wiping out a few people here & there in a sadistic way is good PR.

[thuganomics85]

Say what you will about Negan, but at least he has the courtesy to make absolute sure his victims don't end up becoming Walkers.  Good Guy Negan?

Anyway, I had predicted either Abraham or Glenn to be "Lucilled," so yay for me, for it ending up being both?  I don't know; I get that death will always be a big part of the show and certainly plenty of characters I like have perished already, but something about their deaths just makes me feel... well, empty.  It just didn't feel like it did them any service, because it was all about how "funny" Negan is, how "badass" Negan is, how "unpredictable" Negan is.  Sure, I felt some emotion for Glenn especially; since he's been her since the beginning; but it just felt like they almost took a backseat to their own damn deaths for fucking Negan.  I don't know: I just feel somehow both underwhelmed and pissed about how it all went down.

Although I guess it is kind of interesting that Glenn's death is because of Daryl trying to be a hero, so part of his death will be on him, and I wonder how Daryl will feel about this, or how this will effect his relationship with Maggie.  But I kind of feel like this will get glossed over as well.

Either way, I found this entire episode to be pretty weak.  Just a whole bunch of Negan gloating, smirking, cracking lame jokes, and getting off on torturing Rick.  It was like seeing a troll on an internet comment section come to life.  It sucks since I like Jeffery Dean Morgan, but I'm already tired of Negan, and it's only his second freaking episode.  This is going to get old real fast.

I also found it interesting that despite the break-up and new coupling, Sasha seemed more held together after and during Abe's death then Rosita, who seemed broken.  I guess she still really had feelings for him.  Not saying Sasha didn't, but maybe she was just more accepting once she saw what was going down, or having already gone through this (Bob), made her more prepared for this outcome.

Negan's henchmen is apparently Simon, but he will still just be Trevor, because Steven Ogg is always Trevor to me!

Ending on a more positive note: the acting was on point as always, with the highlights being Steven Yeun and Lauren Cohan's final moment and Andrew Lincoln selling Rick completely being out of his element and breaking down.

[econ07]

Good writing should make you want to see the villain get what is coming to them.  All I want to see is the writers/creators get what is coming to them ... for this show to flame out this season.  I'm never been less interested in seeing how this unfolds.

[SoSueMe]

Just now, oakville said:

I am so sorry for your loss. The loss of any pet is devastating.

My sympathy as well, Reghan.

[Boofish]

5 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

I'd have ghost sex with Denny Duquette ... Negan, not so much.    So, which one is he?  :)

 

Kirkman is a fucking wanker.   That is all.

Negan :(. It was even going to be his Halloween costume but now not so much

[ghoulina]

9 minutes ago, Boofish said:

My boyfriend looks like JDM. He is not getting laid tonight 

You signed your death warrant.

[Boofish]

Just now, ghoulina said:

You signed your death warrant.

LMAO .. well at least for tonight he will need to "take matters into his own hands"

[walnutqueen]

4 minutes ago, Reghan said:

Ironically we had to put my cat, Maggie, down today.  R.I.P Glenn and Maggie the cat

I am so very sorry for your loss.   May your sweet Maggie be met by DaBoy, ShoeShoe, KittyKitty, BeanieBaby, Li'l Old Man and all my other dearly departed ones.

[ShadowSixx]

The episode was ok, didn't like the first 15 minutes as it dragged on more than what it need to be to find out who was the victim or victims of Lucille.

I do blame Daryl for Glenn's death because Daryl had to try and be the hero like an idiot when it wasn't the time for it. I didn't care that Abe died cause I didn't like him anyway. 

The one bright spot in the episode was Rick's breakdown on not wanting to cut off Carl's arm. That was great acting from Andrew Lincoln with his snot and everything. 

The episode could have been better.

[Bryce Lynch]

When the ratings plummet 20 to 30% this season, the producers will blame it on fans being mad that they killed Glen and Abe.

I don't care that the killed Glen and Abe, I am angry that they decided to bore the audience to death in the process, with one endless Neagan monolog after another.  If the producers think that is anything rresembling good television, this show is done and won't make it to season 8.

[jcin617]

2 minutes ago, oakville said:

They have to do a back story on Negan. I don't know why he thinks wiping out a few people here & there in a sadistic way is good PR.

I know it's the zombie apocalypse and all, and I understand how mob mentality works - but seriously, I can't fathom how all those people are just OK with his methods.   Did he "Carl's Arm" every one them too?

[Lyra Angelica]

This better not be an indication of how this writing is going to be.  We waited months for this and then it gets dragged out for even longer.  Blech.

[mmecorday]

Wait, did you hear that sound at the end? As if millions of Walking Dead fans suddenly cried out in terror and said "That's it! I'm out!"

[ghoulina]

3 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

also found it interesting that despite the break-up and new coupling, Sasha seemed more held together after and during Abe's death then Rosita, who seemed broken.  I guess she still really had feelings for him.  Not saying Sasha didn't, but maybe she was just more accepting once she saw what was going down, or having already gone through this (Bob), made her more prepared for this outcome.

Yea, Rosita definitely seemed more traumatized. Maybe it was like Rick with Lori - all the hard feelings and unfinished business. The last time Rosita and Abe really talked wasn't good, no? It's hard to lose someone you care about, period, but when things aren't in a good place and you'll never have that chance to move forward....it really sucks.

[oakville]

1 minute ago, mmecorday said:

Wait, did you hear that sound at the end? As if millions of Walking Dead fans suddenly cried out in terror and said "That's it! I'm out!"

I do think ratings will drop after this episode.

[tomsmom]

Omg Maggie "You go and I'll stay out here" Stfu! People going off on their own is why y'all get in so many messes damnit! Ugh!

[EllenC]

I should feel devastated by those deaths, right? But it just seemed anticlimactic. (Admittedly, I was spoiled b/c of the cliffhanger nonsense.) Plus the excessive gore, blah. And the nattering of a villain who makes me long for the Governor. Who at least wore a jacket that fit.

Edited October 24, 2016 by EllenC

[festivus]

I was spoiled for this because I needed to know who dies and I was prepared for that but I think they went too far. I'm a huge horror movie fan and I have seen it all but I had to look away from Glen. That was just too much for me. I'll never be watching this episode again.

[econ07]

Watching Chris Hardwick interview these chumps is like watching CNN, MSNBC, FOX, and other network reporters interview their meal tickets ... I mean, the presidential candidates.

[BellyLaughter]

So I guess most fans will still salivate over (incredibly stupid) Daryl despite his inbred, volatile tendencies finally costing someone really important their life. Hope he has fun as Neeeeeegan's special guest.......*insert eyeroll*