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People can leave but it won't hurt the ratings much. I have feeling that the people who complain about this and that regarding the show are the minority. The strong minority.

The roughest thing about this is that it's on the heels of me watching the first three episodes of season 3 black mirror. A very dark day indeed.

I don't have a problem with the violence. I'm watching the walking dead. It's what I expect.

I don't have a problem with the whole episode being about the incident. It's what people came for. Of course, as a fan, I want the answers. But, it's not killing me that they did it their way. 

I don't have a problem with negan. He's a talky villain. It happens. A lot. He needed to make a point that this is his world now. He needed to fully break everyone to make that point. Didn't have a problem with it.

I generally don't hate anything as much as others do but I really don't have the hatred people are exuding for the premier. This has always been the most watched and somehow most hated show anyway. It almost never wins. 

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51 minutes ago, Reghan said:

Ironically we had to put my cat, Maggie, down today.  R.I.P Glenn and Maggie the cat

 

I haven't watched the episode yet (not in a big rush) but just wanted to say I'm so sorry for you and your family. I know how awful that is. 

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20 minutes ago, bmoore4026 said:

I could kick myself for watching Westworld first instead of this. 

Two deaths.  Two deaths!!!

I'm kicking myself for NOT watching Westworld instead of this. And I've watched TWD from the beginning.

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I was DEEPLY resentful of the cliffhanger but even inadvertently spoiled, those deaths were devastating. The episode was absolute torture. I did NOT enjoy it. I physically HURT watching it. But I'll also say, that makes some powerful television. I'm conflicted about what this season can bring but I will keep watching...for now. Even though that was some pretty fucking sadistic torture porn and I do NOT watch Saw movies, y'all.

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I hope they regroup and collect Carol.  She can make a pie in her unassuming twin set,  and then stab a bitch between the ribs. 

Actually, I want to see that ugly beauty and the beast looking one get iced first.  

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Heartfelt sympathies for the loss of Maggie the cat! We lost our boy Jack last week...so I really feel your pain.

I don't have much to say that hasn't been said already. I agree with those who said that it would have played out better if the deaths had happened last season and they started this season with dragging Rick into the RV. The murders did not elicit an emotional response from me because TPTB made such bad, cowardly decisions leading up to this point. Way to make me not care about 2 characters that I used to really enjoy. Well done show! (extreme sarcasm).

I'll watch for a while longer...but this is no longer "must see TV" for me. What a waste. 

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I read the spoilers so I knew what was coming. I decided not to watch the episode live and gage the reactions here first.

After reading thru this thread, I will not be watching it. The sadism in this show has bothered me for some time (and I watch a lot of "dark" shows). I can now say that I am done with TWD. I'm tired of the unending violence and of the string of psychos that our gang keeps bumping into.

RIP Glenn and Abraham. I hope that SY and MC return to TV soon.

To Reghan...I am so sorry about the loss of your beloved pet. It is devastating.

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Before I read any replies, I have to say the additional 20 minute delay of the bludgeoning made me somewhat cold to it. When Glenn told Maggie, I'll find you, my mind just said "please don't ".

I'm over Negan, but seeing the breaking of Rick was fascinating but that road trip was rather ridiculous because there is no way Rick should have survived that horde.

I kind of loved the ending in that even as crushed and destroyed as they are, that bond was there. Although it is not my experience, I felt their despair and utter hopelessness of living in a war zone. Anything can befall them, but they have the keep that nugget of humanity within them.

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1 hour ago, Straycat80 said:

If this season is going to be all about Negan, his incessant talking, torture and chopping parts of Daryl I think I'm out. Or until someone kills Negan.  Why didn't Rick grab the ax out of the table and whack Negan in the head while he was driving? Whatever...RIP Abe and Glenn. 

I haven't read past this section in the books, so no spoilers, but I don't understand any of the things I'd heard about the Negan character. JDM is handsome. Is the charming? Sort of, I suppose, but not enough to forgive any of what I just saw. I still want to see what happens next, but the Negan character embodies everything manipulative about how they write this show.

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I haven't made it through all the posts because I am simply too gutted and emotionally drained and I need to go to bed (and probably have head bashing nightmares). I was spoiled on the two deaths, but I truthfully didn't think they would go as full on gore as they did. I love horror movies but even *I* had to cover my eyes a few times. Then they kept anvil-dropping that hatchet through the whole episode, I was biting my nails.

Poor, poor Maggie. Glenn's "I'll find you" just tore out my heart. Like, I actually let out a little sob.

I'm still in. I love JDM, and I actually think he's playing the hell out of a character who in the comics IS a pontificating asshole and you can tell he's enjoying it - I actually think that sometimes says more about an actor than their overall performance. Plus I still find him hot *please don't stone me death for that*. Andrew as usual does the best sobbing reaction, the man goes for the full gusto.

Daryl had to be the one to be responsible in a way for Glenn's death. He's the unknown in the comic books and one of the few characters that Kirkman can just write any way he wants to in the show. Guilt-riddled Daryl always becomes bad-ass Daryl. As for Negan singling out Glenn...Glenn had already broken rank and had to be shoved back into line when he saw Maggie, right before the "eenie meenie miney mo". Plus, Negan needs to keep around people who do look capable of surviving and bringing a profit to his group. He had no way of knowing that Glenn is Mr Getoutofanysituation Survival Man. Women would be kept around for obvious reasons, Carl can be used to control Rick, Rick can be used to control Carl. That only left Daryl (who they know is good at fucking shit up if he can be controlled), Abe (who was giving Negan the death stare all through the monologue), A-A Ron, and Eugene. Abe was the obvious choice, which most of us called here at the end of last season. Glenn was the second obvious because that's how he went out in the comics, and his death will be used to motivate the storyline for pregnant Maggie. A-A Ron and Eugene? We would have been sad, but shrugged it off.

I'm not sure what this will do to Carol and Morgan. Carol just seemed so broken at the end of last season. Morgan was still feeling too much love for everyone. I have a feeling their plot will be kept separate from the main plot for a good chunk of the first half of the season. 

Overall, I liked the episode. Not in my top 5, but not in my bottom 5 either.

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1 hour ago, oakville said:

Wouldn't it make more sense for neegan to kill Daryl for punching him than Glenn who was quietly crying?

That was kinda Negan's point.  It's a lot easier for a malcontent with a conscience to be a big brave badass when they're the only one suffering retaliation for their challenges to authority.  When somebody ELSE has to pay the cost for your rebellion, though, it sorta diminishes the nobility of the act.

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I wasn't spoiled per se, but everyone I know was pretty sure that Abe and Glen would die. I still thought it was a sad moment. I do have an issue with the extreme violence though. The show cuts off swear words, but thinks its ok to show heads bashed against the ground. I never mind the gory zombies, but this just kind of made me sick. 

It makes no sense that Negan wouldn't kill Rick. By killing Rick, he is breaking apart the group and the group will be looking for a new leader. By keeping Rick alive-he is creating a group of people under an enraged leader who will stop at nothing to get revenge. Of course I'm not sure what Rick's group can even do for Negan. Unlike Woodbury, I don't understand Negan's requirement of so many groups of people to 'produce'. Produce what? One group is already growing crops. How much can Negan's guys eat? I also don't see Negan's group as being so dumb or cowed that they wouldn't try to rebel; they could easily take him down. Don't they get it that whatever Negan does to other people, can be done to them. When they all have guns and he is standing around with a bat would be the ideal time. 

I feel sad about Glen, a little sad about Abraham and I'm glad Carl didn't lose his arm since Carl walking around with one eye and one arm would be beyond silly. 

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1 hour ago, Straycat80 said:

If this season is going to be all about Negan, his incessant talking, torture and chopping parts of Daryl I think I'm out. Or until someone kills Negan.  Why didn't Rick grab the ax out of the table and whack Negan in the head while he was driving? Whatever...RIP Abe and Glenn. 

 Because Nagan threatened to have everyone killed if he did that?

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6 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I wasn't spoiled per se, but everyone I know was pretty sure that Abe and Glen would die. I still thought it was a sad moment. I do have an issue with the extreme violence though. The show cuts off swear words, but thinks its ok to show heads bashed against the ground. I never mind the gory zombies, but this just kind of made me sick. 

I think a lot of this is because they are letting Nicotero direct.  He is always going to be prone to show more gore because it means more "cool" effects.  Frankly, I think he should be banned from directing just because he is in love with the audience POV shots.

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Re-watching tonight's episode:

On Rick's mission to return Negan his ax, he taunts Rick is like a Jeff Probst from hell during an immunity challenge. Always right beside him and constantly talking.

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It seems I hold the unpopular opinion tonight, but so be it. 

I wasn't happy about the cliffhanger, but now that it's over I think it was the right thing to do. We should not have gotten any more time to process the deaths than the characters did. If we'd had the whole summer to process it, it would have lessened the impact. This way, we get the same sense of immediacy that they do. Even if that wasn't the motive of the producers, that's what I got out of it  

I can't say I enjoyed the episode, but I thought it was well done and far from boring. I could have done with less graphic violence, but it's TWD, so I'm not too bothered by it.  Negan makes sense to me  I understand why he had to do what he did to maintain his power and leadership in that world. Killing Glenn to show Darryl the consequences of his actions was brilliant. Darryl doesn't give a shit about himself. The only way to keep him in line is to threaten those he does care about.

The only thing I didn't like was the way they used Abe's death to trick us into thinking everyone else was safe.

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that those who don't read the discussions, etc, liked it. Well, I read fan boards and discussions. I'm a spoiler whore who follows Spoiling Dead Fans. I'm still in. I thought this delivered well. I can tell I'm going to enjoy hating Negan, and that I will enjoy even more his inevitable downfall. 

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I was out after the season 6 finale. I actually had no idea this was on tonight until I saw some random social media chatter. Didn't bother watching but just thought I'd check out the reaction... given how I felt about the season six finale and seeing the response here, I feel pretty validated in my decision to drop the show after six seasons (I also dropped Dexter after six seasons and Sons of Anarchy after five... never regretted it and don't imagine I will this one, which is basically nothing more than a bloody cash grab at this point). It's been nice bitching about how stupid this show can be with y'all... see ya on the forums for shows worth watching! 

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1 hour ago, oakville said:

The prison is a mess, but if I was Rick's group, I would load up the cars & go South. Why bother dealing with Negan?

Because Neegan has Daryl. They don't comply, Daryl bites it. Piece by piece.

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2 hours ago, okerry said:

I'm kicking myself for NOT watching Westworld instead of this. And I've watched TWD from the beginning.

Yeah, I had seen the Talking Dead first instead of the actual episode.  Now that I have, I don't regret watching Westworld first.  I don't think I'll be watching this show anymore.  We've gone into Ultimate Despair territory now.

I just found out that they're showing back to back episodes of MST3K on the Comet channel.  I think I'll watch that after Westworld.

If they have some Negan/Daryl buttsex or mankissin'-heavy pettin', maybe they'll win me back.

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43 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

 

I wasn't spoiled per se, but everyone I know was pretty sure that Abe and Glen would die. I still thought it was a sad moment. I do have an issue with the extreme violence though. The show cuts off swear words, but thinks its ok to show heads bashed against the ground. I never mind the gory zombies, but this just kind of made me sick. 

It makes no sense that Negan wouldn't kill Rick. By killing Rick, he is breaking apart the group and the group will be looking for a new leader. By keeping Rick alive-he is creating a group of people under an enraged leader who will stop at nothing to get revenge. Of course I'm not sure what Rick's group can even do for Negan.

 

I think Negan is counting on the others to question Rick's leadership abilities or them to blame Rick for Glenn and Abe's deaths; to turn against him and to  compel them to him rely on Negan of their own free will IMO. That's what he gets off on, it seems to me.

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I liked how Sasha's insistence on taking Maggie with her felt like a callback to when the two of them were on the road after the prison and on their way to Terminus. 

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I'm just a casual TWD watcher so I feel bad for hardcore fans. I would be so pissed if my fave show made me wait for an episode like this. It's essentially just one long scene. One drawn-out moment from an old episode, no less. They should have shown two eps in one night to make up for it.

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I was mad when Glenn and Abe died, but that 'what if' sequence momentarily tricked me into thinking Rosita and Sasha had died too and I was livid for a second there. 

Not the most exciting episode, but I'm not ready to write off the season. The death delay prepared me for this blandness and shock for the sake of shock kind of season premier. I'm expecting things to improve. 

Echoing everyone on the superb acting.

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Because Neegan has Daryl. They don't comply, Daryl bites it. Piece by piece.

Yeah but really Daryl did just get Glenn beaten to death. And when they get back to the settlement and really consider if they all need to be slaves for Negan just to keep Daryl alive.... Rick and his cosy crew might but the average citizen of Alexandria might prefer running.

I'm not opposed to torture on screen, but I needed Negan to be a much better villain than this. As in I needed him to be clever and charismatic because then I could have bought a whole bunch of people following him. But really Negan is just a giant douchebag who should have gotten his throat slit by someone while sleeping. At this point, we don't even know what Negan expects Alexandria to produce - weren't they starving anyway?

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5 minutes ago, kelslamu said:

Wow!  I was pissed and bored at the same time.  That's a new one.  Thanks AMC. /sarc  I would have rather been killed than listen to that d@ck talk anymore.  Still smh. 

Thank you! This was what I was feeling. And I shouldn't have been in an episode where GLENN is murdered. Unreal.

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Oh and wasn't Maggie originally bleeding profusely and near death when this episode began? From the possible miscarriage that started this all?

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Echoing everyone on the superb acting.

Yes, Can't fault that. Rick's reactions as he figuratively got castrated in front of everyone had me cringing.

So... Negan decided to kill Abe because Abe was defiant, yet decides to keep Daryl because Daryl was defiant? What am I missing?

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Just now, AngelaHunter said:

Yes, Can't fault that. Rick's reactions as he figuratively got castrated in front of everyone had me cringing.

So... Negan decided to kill Abe because Abe was defiant, yet decides to keep Daryl because Daryl was defiant? What am I missing?

Negan is a psychopath. It's all mind games designed to fuck with the CDB.

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I liked the episode. It did the trick, which was make me very very angry at Neegan. 

There are people out there right now like Neegan, which is why we need to prepare ourselves.  Rick go find a tank and blow Neegan and his crew to bits please. 

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Negan is a psychopath. It's all mind games designed to fuck with the CDB.

I guess. To me a bit of good writing was having Negan drag Rick in and out of the RV. So much more psychologically brutal and degrading than having him walk there.

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That makes zero sense. The Governor, sure. He provided a nice, safe, seemingly normal town with electricity. Virtually everyone was there willingly and only a small number of his people were willing to do awful things.

Totally agree. To the folks at Woodbury, the Gov was a benevolent, smiling savior. They would certainly have NO reason to turn on him. It's difficult to imagine that every single one of Negan's mob is just exactly as cruel and sadistic as he is that they would all stand there, armed to the teeth, and watch a young boy's arm chopped off. Yeah, it makes no sense.

Edited because "have reason" and "have no reason" don't really mean the same thing. Bedtime, I guess

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Oh, you weren't expecting a coherent plot and continuity were you? Wrong show for that!

I know I know.

The irony is that Francis on Poldark died tonight and it was a whole bunch sadder.

And I find it unlikely and not working for me that Negan didn't kill Rick and someone else as a demoralizer because that would make sense. And where were the zombies? As everyone sat in a circle for hours?

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Well, they probably went about it the wrong way - could have had must better pacing and timing beats - but GD did Show hit all the feels tonight.  Only thing missing was the always wonderful Melissa McBride, aka Carol.

Abe wasn't hard to imagine as being the one cliffhangered as to getting his head turned into ground chuck, but Glenn too?  Fuck, Show.  Not only was that super hard to watch, but all that shit around mid-season last year and this is the payoff?  Mr Yeung needs a way better agent.  God, I love his acting ability though.  That head-bashed-in-eye-popping-out and trying to tell Maggie he loved her....  *clears throat and looks away, blinking the dust out of eyes*

Still glad to see Red sitting tall after the first hit, though.  "Suck My Nuts" indeed.

How many times are we gonna see Rick escape impossible physical situations, with hardly even a scratch gained in the process?  Nobody is that continuously lucky.  Nobody.  I get that he's the 'main star' and all, but there is such a thing as going beyond the straining of limits, Show.

I like JDM as an actor, but holy F'ing hell do I want to see Negan die in the absolutely worst way possible.  He makes crazy!Shane+Governor+Terminus combined look like leisurely Sunday walks in the park, with puppies & kittens stuffed in the stroller with the baby.

Pure guessing, but I doubt any real serious physical harm will befall Daryl.  I see what's-his-face (Duane?) losing his cool and Daryl taking him out, thus escaping.

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I'm really hoping Maggie knocks the fuck out of Daryl when she sees him. I'm sorry but Daryl is coming off really stupid. Bad enough he goes running off in S6 where he, Rosita, Michonne, & Glenn are captured and Daryl is shot as a result but after Abe's death and Negan antagonizing Rosita, Daryl felt the need to punch Negan after Negan clearly said he would only allow one person to get out of line which was Glenn when he saw that Maggie has been captured. Daryl may not have been close to Glenn like he is to Carol or was to Beth and being fond of Denise but it was fucked up what he did. I really do hope Daryl is killed off next when they kill off another major character.

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I think it's worse when you get someone to do it themselves.

I don't think so, in this case at least. If Rick were walking to the RV, he'd have had all those guns on him, so it would just be sensible to go quietly. But to grab and drag him as he's kicking and struggling to try and get to his feet, and all in front of the people who saw him as a leader is real punishment.

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9 minutes ago, AngelaHunter said:

I don't think so, in this case at least. If Rick were walking to the RV, he'd have had all those guns on him, so it would just be sensible to go quietly. But to grab and drag him as he's kicking and struggling to try and get to his feet, and all in front of the people who saw him as a leader is real punishment.

I misread what you were saying...so...NEVER MIND! LOL

1 minute ago, CletusMusashi said:

He wouldn't be able to hide and sneak up on him, though. Negan's chewed all the scenery.

This is perfect.

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