S06.E04: Animal Instincts

[ChristmasJones]

Someone here posted a link to Esther the Wonder Pig - a pig that was originally adopted as a "micro" pig- and now is around 600 lbs - but her owners have not only kept her, but moved to a farm where they now have an animal rescue (Esther still sleeps in the house though- in her own bedroom!)- here is Esther's IG - https://www.instagram.com/estherthewonderpig/?hl=en

[DNR]

48 minutes ago, ChristmasJones said:

Someone here posted a link to Esther the Wonder Pig - a pig that was originally adopted as a "micro" pig- and now is around 600 lbs - but her owners have not only kept her, but moved to a farm where they now have an animal rescue (Esther still sleeps in the house though- in her own bedroom!)- here is Esther's IG - https://www.instagram.com/estherthewonderpig/?hl=en

Imagine Tyler & Cate dealing with a 600 lb gigantic pig. How is Cates mother going to handle it ? These idiots , that poor pig .  So Chelsea's pig Pete will get as large ? Yikes !! Esther's IG page had me enthralled tonite but I cannot fathom caring for an animal that size. 

[TaxNerd]

Maci's venue was 100% comped.  No other explanation for a random venue four states away in a random weekend in Oct.  They showed a closeup of the venue name on the website, and again at the visit.

Maci even said they charge $20,000 not that they are paying $20k.

Yet another fake story for Maci.  At one point I expected her to rest a koosie with beer on her belly shelf.

[evilmindatwork]

On September 5, 2016 at 11:38 PM, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Your family and friends are over this wedding already and the invitations haven't even gone out. Get over yourself and have the wedding at some nice reception hall or historic home in Chatanaooga so it's convienent for people.

When Maci said "God is here" about the chapel at the wedding site my eyes rolled so hard. 

In theory, I agree with this, but does anyone have a wedding in a place that all their friends and family are local to? Even if I get married in my hometown, where my parents live-- my friends and family would still be coming from all over the country, possibly overseas. Most people I know, including people who grew up in my hometown, don't live in the area anymore. Is this an uncommon experience?

4 hours ago, DNR said:

I wonder what's going to happen to these fools burning thru TM salary when it's over.  Maci mentioned both her & Tyler are employed plus they have that lame tshirt biz ( laughed out loud when maci talked of 'growing' the business- who's gonna buy that garbage when TM ends?).  Where are they employed ? Does Ryan pay child support ? $20 thousand dollars for a wedding for a woman on her THIRD illegitimate child ???? Lmao

As insane and effed up as a parent Farrah is, it does seem like she at least tries to hustle and make some money thru her TM fame ( porn, sauce?, now the children's clothing store ). Maybe those endeavors will bring in income when TM ends. Maybe Sophia receives a monthly death benefit thru Derek till 18 as well ? 

As for Amber, Greaseball Matt , Tyler, Cate - they're the laziest people I've ever seen . Couch potatoes the whole lot of em! These dummies will go from making hundreds of thousands of dollars to the welfare line.  This episode was really a crapfest. 

Is Teen Mom ever going to end though? It's going on 8 years at this point. 

Edited September 8, 2016 by evilmindatwork
typos, grammar, general proof reading

[kdl88]

I hadn't watched the whole episode, and I'm finishing up now.  Catelynn definitely said, "Tyler is sleeping," not "tweaking." 

[Scarlett45]

1 hour ago, evilmindatwork said:

In theory, I agree with this, but does anyone have a wedding in a place that all their friends and family are local to? Even if I get married in my hometown, where my parents live-- my friends and family would still be coming from all over the country, possibly overseas. Most people I know, including people who grew up in my hometown, don't live in the area anymore. Is this an uncommon experience?

Is Teen Mom ever going to end though? It's going on 8 years at this point. 

I was born and raised in Chicago IL. All of my family lives here, and the vast majority of my friends. For some people (especially if you stay in the area you were raised), having most of their loved ones in a central location is pretty common with a small percentage of the guest list having to travel. I would think this would be the case with Maci. 

Edited September 8, 2016 by Scarlett45

[Ziz]

Sounded to me like a huge, terrifying bang, and then screaming from all sides (pig, baby, dogs). Question is, what that bang was...

[charmed1]

When Sophia was staring out the window and the ominous music was playing, I thought for sure she was conspiring with hell's demons to conjure up a fire to swallow Farrah whole.

Where's Amber's convertible? Or was that her mom's car? 

[CofCinci]

16 hours ago, Willowsmom said:

But we can bet Tyler spends money without her input all the time...

I can't stand Tyler and I don't want to defend him --- but it seems that Tyler is pretty conservative with their money. His immediate response about the $3,000 pig was how that money could have been spent on materials for the house (floors, bathroom). They have modest vehicles compared to the other mothers.  The house they purchased was inexpensive and Tyler and Butch are doing the rehab work themselves.  With the exception of purchasing drugs for the whole family, Tyler is sound financially.

I'm curious as to how Catelynn can blow $3k without Tyler knowing. Do they have separate bank accounts?  Does she have a credit card that she's maxing out?

[TaxNerd]

Just now, CofCinci said:

I can't stand Tyler and I don't want to defend him --- but it seems that Tyler is pretty conservative with their money. His immediate response about the $3,000 pig was how that money could have been spent on materials for the house (floors, bathroom). They have modest vehicles compared to the other mothers.  The house they purchased was inexpensive and Tyler and Butch are doing the rehab work themselves.  With the exception of purchasing drugs for the whole family, Tyler is sound financially.

I'm curious as to how Catelynn can blow $3k without Tyler knowing. Do they have separate bank accounts?  Does she have a credit card that she's maxing out?

It seemed like he knew, as Cate told him the second she got off the phone.  She probably agreed to the pig verbally, then told Tyler, then paid.   Typler had a scene complaining with a friend, later Cate picks up the pig in the middle of the night.  

Good point about him being more responsible with how they could have spent that money!

4 hours ago, Ziz said:

Sounded to me like a huge, terrifying bang, and then screaming from all sides (pig, baby, dogs). Question is, what that bang was...

It could be completely edited footage; upthread someone mentioned Cate being in the Easter Bunny scene when she said online she was actually in Arizona at the time.

That bunny scene was too funny, I cracked up.  It is rare to see exs get along like that, with both of Tyler's parents in the same room laughing together.  That is nice they can do that for Nova's sake, my inlaws sure couldn't do the same.

[Uncle JUICE]

I'm not saying that that bang was either meth-addled Tyler poppin' caps at a bitch and her pig in a tweaking rage right before beating the shit out of her and burning the pig alive, but I just said it, and I'm not NOT saying it. Only other explanation is MTV's creative sound editing team. 

My point is with absolutely NO accompanying visuals, conjecture is pointless. The whole noise incident, every element of it, could have been spliced together crap. It's not like they're mic'd up while they're asleep, and they're not leaving mic packs (they're like $1200 each) in the house just to film the outside of it. 

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Sounded to me like a huge, terrifying bang, and then screaming from all sides (pig, baby, dogs). Question is, what that bang was...

[MargeGunderson]

11 hours ago, poopchute said:

Why am I not surprised that Catelyn couldn't be bothered to do 3 minutes of googling.

And she and Tyler want to to help people track down family members. Sure, that's going to go well.

[teapot]

I think Maci said that the chapel was what "got us here" as opposed to "God is here."

And why was Leah talking like she was Mae West in a 1940s movie?

[evilmindatwork]

I really want to know the timeline of the pig purchasing. Did she buy and drive to get the pig on the same day? Normally wouldn't that take weeks, if not months? Wouldn't she have had to booked with a pig breeder ahead of time? Or have to wait until the piglet was weened from the sow?

[ghoulina]

7 hours ago, Ziz said:

Sounded to me like a huge, terrifying bang, and then screaming from all sides (pig, baby, dogs). Question is, what that bang was...

I heard that too, but there was also music being played over the scene as well. And if you pay attention, the music had some sort of drumbeat that is louder at one point, and then softer. So I couldn't really tell if the "bang" was the music or otherwise. And, as others pointed out, MTV could edit stuff in however they wanted. But at the same, there is complete silence from Cate and Ty over it. They've defended the pot smoking stuff all over social media. But there has been no explanation or defensiveness over "editing" in the pig scenes. Sometimes silence says a lot. 

 

2 hours ago, CofCinci said:

can't stand Tyler and I don't want to defend him --- but it seems that Tyler is pretty conservative with their money. His immediate response about the $3,000 pig was how that money could have been spent on materials for the house (floors, bathroom). They have modest vehicles compared to the other mothers.  The house they purchased was inexpensive and Tyler and Butch are doing the rehab work themselves.  With the exception of purchasing drugs for the whole family, Tyler is sound financially.

Tyler and Cate are currently on vacation for their anniversary. He just made some IG post about he can't help but to spoil his wife. I guess pigs don't count. My issue with him is he tries to say one thing, but his actions show a whole other side of him. 

 

4 minutes ago, evilmindatwork said:

I really want to know the timeline of the pig purchasing. Did she buy and drive to get the pig on the same day? Normally wouldn't that take weeks, if not months? Wouldn't she have had to booked with a pig breeder ahead of time? Or have to wait until the piglet was weened from the sow?

Given the way she waited to tell Tyler about the B&T call, I wouldn't be surprised if the thing was in the works for weeks and she held off on telling him until the last possible minute. This might be her way of getting out from under his control of her. Wait until it's too late for him to do anything about it. 

[Uncle JUICE]

8 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Tyler and Cate are currently on vacation for their anniversary. He just made some IG post about he can't help but to spoil his wife. I guess pigs don't count. My issue with him is he tries to say one thing, but his actions show a whole other side of him. 

But there's a giant difference between spoiling your wife with like jewelry or vacations or things she likes, and spoiling her with yet another creature that's going to shit all over your house, no? 

[TaxNerd]

8 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

 

This might be her way of getting out from under his control of her. Wait until it's too late for him to do anything about it. 

Ah yes, the trademark of a healthy relationship!

[MargeGunderson]

I love how Tyler's tweets about Cate are really all about him.

[Elizabeth9]

23 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

Holy shit, genius. I wish I could like it a million times. All that's missing is getting an egg salad sandwich out of a vending machine. 

Omfg I'm at work and I can't stop laughing at these two posts!

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, teapot said:

 

And why was Leah talking like she was Mae West in a 1940s movie?

She did! She has talked in that fashion before in other episodes.

It was funny and yet, annoying to me.

[starfire]

3 hours ago, CofCinci said:

I can't stand Tyler and I don't want to defend him --- but it seems that Tyler is pretty conservative with their money. His immediate response about the $3,000 pig was how that money could have been spent on materials for the house (floors, bathroom). They have modest vehicles compared to the other mothers.  The house they purchased was inexpensive and Tyler and Butch are doing the rehab work themselves.  With the exception of purchasing drugs for the whole family, Tyler is sound financially.

I'm curious as to how Catelynn can blow $3k without Tyler knowing. Do they have separate bank accounts?  Does she have a credit card that she's maxing out?

I'm not so sure Tyler and Butch are doing all the rehab work themselves. In this episode when Tyler was complaining to Cate about the $3,000 she spent on the  pig, he said that was the "labor costs for the floor".

[jumper sage]

21 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Cory was married to Miranda when she conceived and gave birth to Remi. But yeah he's the only one. 

Chelsea is engaged to Cole so their child won't be born out of wedlock assuming the wedding happens in October. 

IMO Amber, Farrah and Ryan have no other children because they actually DONT want children, too bad they figured that out after a child was born but at least they haven't made the same mistake twice. 

Cory!  Forgot about him.  You are correct and I do like Chelsea and agree with your placement of her.

Farrah - ugh.  I don't like her at all but she does seem to be trying to do better by her child.  Ryan has grown on me.  I think he and Maci coparent well.

48 minutes ago, starfire said:

I'm not so sure Tyler and Butch are doing all the rehab work themselves. In this episode when Tyler was complaining to Cate about the $3,000 she spent on the  pig, he said that was the "labor costs for the floor".

I think he may have been saying that he could have paid someone to do the labor and didn't because of the cost.

[gunderda]

Tyler knew about the pig.  He knew that the pig had been paid for. 

Cate also admitted that there was a fight that night. The producers asked if she was a wreck because of fighting with Tyler and she said something to the effect "no, it wasn't the fight, it was...." 

[CofCinci]

The fight was over abuse of drugs stronger than pot and that's why she was sent to rehab in the desert. 

[jumper sage]

18 hours ago, Rebecca said:

I really hope Simon didn't sign some type of non disclosure agreement because if Farrah lets this much crazy fly on camera imagine what he has seen off camera? He's clearly there for $, but I would assume he could make more selling tabloid stories about Farrah and Debra? 

I would so run out and buy any book he writes on the topic.

[butterbody]

Where I live, there's a micro pig breeder and I once got sucked in to their page and the adorable pictures, and wanted one sooooo bad! They were also $3000 with the price of shipping and I wondered if maybe that's where Cate got hers. But this place has a really long waiting list. It's not exactly an impulse buy. 

They are cute as hell, though 

https://www.facebook.com/AzMicroMiniPigs/

[imjagain]

On 9/6/2016 at 6:07 PM, iheartla said:

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Omg this quote box! 

Sorry @iheartla. I'm not sure what happened. 

Edited September 8, 2016 by imjagain

[WhosThatGirl]

Tyler tweeting about spoiling his wife with gifts and vacations is hilarious because as has been pointed out before, he wouldn't have money to buy these things for her if it wasn't for her, so.. whatever. Also, I bet too Tyler buys things without informing Catelynn of. 

I have nothing more to say, other than this was just..a gross episode. Everything really felt disgusting. Maci's story may be somewhat the least disgusting in terms of compared to everything else, but it's still gross on a level of a level of what she is willing to do to keep up appearances, by pretending she and Taylor will be shelling out money for a wedding venue (they won't. MTV will, since she is "allowing" them to use the wedding for the show), trying on wedding dresses and making a big show of not knowing she was pregnant.  But yeah, her story on the list of all the other ones is probably the least horrible in this episode. But it's still bad for the reasons I listed.  But yeah, I guess hers is the least. 

Edited September 8, 2016 by WhosThatGirl

[kira28]

On 9/5/2016 at 10:57 PM, LotusFlower said:

Talk about "out of the mouths of babes" when Leah complained that Amber always bails on her, and always with the excuses...  Amber got all defensive, as usual, and tried to talk her way out of it, but you know Leah was referring to it happening all the time, not just that one time that week.  And then Gary said that he "always" tells Leah when Amber cancels, so it obviously happens a lot.  For someone who pretends to want joint custody, she sure finds a lot of reasons to pass on her visitations.  

Yep this is typical dead beat parenting.  Complain about how the other parent keeps your kid from you and demand joint custody but doesn't even see said child the one day a week or every other weekend they are scheduled for visitation.  Deadbeat cancels when they are "sick"  when anything else more interesting Comes up. Anytime it's inconvenient for them anytime it rains lol.  

 

This show needs to be over so these girls are forced to grow up and live in her real world.  No more $3000pigs,  animal hoarding or twenty thousand dollar wedding venues. I feel so bad for Sophia.  She's such a feral child and suffers because her mother is such a vile bitch

[jumper sage]

1 minute ago, kira28 said:

Yep this is typical dead beat parenting.  Complain about how the other parent keeps your kid from you and demand joint custody but doesn't even see said child the one day a week or every other weekend they are scheduled for visitation.  Deadbeat cancels when they are "sick"  when anything else more interesting Comes up. Anytime it's inconvenient for them anytime it rains lol.  

 

This show needs to be over so these girls are forced to grow up and live in her real world.  No more $3000pigs,  animal hoarding or twenty thousand dollar wedding venues. I feel so bad for Sophia.  She's such a feral child and suffers because her mother is such a vile bitch

I agree with everything you said.

[imjagain]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

She did! She has talked in that fashion before in other episodes.

It was funny and yet, annoying to me.

I'll take Leah's  Mae West,  over whatever the hell Farrah, Debra and Sofia do. 

I think Leah put on the voice,  because she was calling out Amber,  and was a little nervous about it,  but couldn't stop herself. 

So,  does Amber get  Leah one weekday and  2 weekends a month? 

I ask because I was wondering if they were on limited time? They were scarffing down McDonald's in the vehicle on the way to the pet store. Why not stop somewhere go in and talk over a  nice dinner.  Or take Leah home  prepare a dinner together.  If not that's a pretty shitty night with mom for Leah. 

[GreatKazu]

I don't believe Amber was sick. Sick in the head yes, but I do not believe her story. Amber and Matt probably had a fight and she was "stressed".

Edited September 8, 2016 by GreatKazu
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[geekamonggeeks]

Amber doesn't cook for Leah. Remember, Leah told Gary that Amber sleeps in bed too much so that Matt has to cook her meals instead. There's no way Amber would even attempt to put together a meal for her daughter. She'd probably feed Matt's drug addicted son before she feeds  Leah. 

[eskimo]

Of course they should not have 'adopted' any more responsibilities in the first place, but...

Regarding the piglet making so much noise when she brought it home, I don't understand why she forced it out of the small carrier.  It seemed most comfortable in there (as much as would have been possible, anyway).  It must have felt very exposed and vulnerable, which is probably what led to the bawling. She should have just put the small carrier in the pen, so the dogs couldn't get near it, and let the baby get used to the sounds and smells of its new surroundings.  She could have left the door to the carrier open so the piglet could come out to investigate its pen on its own. 

Same with Amber and the cat.  Give the cat a place to hide while it's getting used to everything.  It hates you because you're a stranger to it and its experience with you has been your big hand coming after it as it cowers in fear.  And a bunch of wild-ass dogs. When we moved we only saw our cat, of 8 years, briefly for about 5 days while he got used to the new house.  And he was familiar with us.  That's just how many cats are. 

The humane society where I live is good about making sure the temperament of a particular animal is known.  They will tell you which pets are better as only pets, better with only same species, not a good fit for families with small kids, ect.  It seems all of us could tell that cat, while still at the pet store, would much prefer a quiet household. 

Edited September 8, 2016 by eskimo

[GreatKazu]

Amber and Catelynn have no clue about being parents. I would not expect them to know, or bother to care, about what their pets need. Catelynn knew nothing about the pig she bought. 

[Teddybear]

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There are rumblings on other sites that something sinister happened to the pig and that's why Catelynn had her breakdown. Some are speculating her dogs killed it.

It was the first thing I thought when they started the scene with the big dogs around the baby gate.  I'm sure they thought the little pig was a toy and if Cate was totally out of it, she wouldn't be able to stop it.   I thought it was also weird that her sister somehow came in the middle of the night to take it away?  Hmmm....I need proof that piglet is still alive.  

 

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ETA: Maci, drop the veil. After three babies there's no blushing bride under there.

As Miranda from SATC said when looking for wedding dresses: "I have a child.  The gig is up."  

These people are just SO depressing.  I don't know why I continue to watch.  

[StatisticalOutlier]

14 hours ago, evilmindatwork said:

In theory, I agree with this, but does anyone have a wedding in a place that all their friends and family are local to? Even if I get married in my hometown, where my parents live-- my friends and family would still be coming from all over the country, possibly overseas. Most people I know, including people who grew up in my hometown, don't live in the area anymore. Is this an uncommon experience?

I think it's an uncommon experience for certain socioeconomic groups.  Leah, for example--probably hardly any of those people ever leave the holler. 

Maci's family and friends seem to be a step above that, but I still don't think they're the type to all be going to college across the country or moving overseas.  And even the ones who did--I really don't think she'd remain particularly close to her friends who went away to college and stayed away, mainly because their lives are so very different from hers.

[evilmindatwork]

1 hour ago, eskimo said:

Of course they should not have 'adopted' any more responsibilities in the first place, but...

Regarding the piglet making so much noise when she brought it home, I don't understand why she forced it out of the small carrier.  It seemed most comfortable in there (as much as would have been possible, anyway).  It must have felt very exposed and vulnerable, which is probably what led to the bawling. She should have just put the small carrier in the pen, so the dogs couldn't get near it, and let the baby get used to the sounds and smells of its new surroundings.  She could have left the door to the carrier open so the piglet could come out to investigate its pen on its own. 

Same with Amber and the cat.  Give the cat a place to hide while it's getting used to everything.  It hates you because you're a stranger to it and its experience with you has been your big hand coming after it as it cowers in fear.  And a bunch of wild-ass dogs. When we moved we only saw our cat, of 8 years, briefly for about 5 days while he got used to the new house.  And he was familiar with us.  That's just how many cats are. 

The humane society where I live is good about making sure the temperament of a particular animal is known.  They will tell you which pets are better as only pets, better with only same species, not a good fit for families with small kids, ect.  It seems all of us could tell that cat, while still at the pet store, would much prefer a quiet household. 

Haha. You mean you expect her to put thought, research and gain a general understanding of an expensive and sentient animal she brings into a house with a barely cared for baby and god knows how many dogs? How reasonable of you. 

[lidarose9]

54 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Amber and Catelynn have no clue about being parents. I would not expect them to know, or bother to care, about what their pets need. Catelynn knew nothing about the pig she bought. 

Most of these people have no clue about how to parent a child. When Butch picks up Nova and oohs and aahhs over her, there is an awkwardness that tells me he's done this maybe twice before in his life. These are people who want to be SEEN to be good parents for the sake of the cameras, but the truth is, they can change diapers and shove bottles into mouths, but past that the kids are free range. Nova seems to have inherited a lot of Cate's personality in that she's more passive, not demanding attention. This is the age when lifelong patterns are being programmed into her, alongside her genetic predispositions. She's being given very little stimulation, engagement, encouragement, etc. That trip to the gymnastics place was for the cameras. The only "outings" Nova gets are being shoved into a high chair at a fast food place. It's very sad.

[imjagain]

9 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I think it's an uncommon experience for certain socioeconomic groups.  Leah, for example--probably hardly any of those people ever leave the holler. 

Maci's family and friends seem to be a step above that, but I still don't think they're the type to all be going to college across the country or moving overseas.  And even the ones who did-- I really don't think she'd remain particularly close to her friends who went away to college and stayed away, mainly because their lives are so very different from hers. 

All Maci's friends look alike to me.  So they might be new friends.  Idk, why I thought most of her friends were all the same friends from her earlier seasons. She always had a large group of girl friends. As Ryan's friend once said to him "they roll ten deep wherever they go". 

Sorry,  I know this has nothing to do with what you were talking about. 

[Raynedon]

32 minutes ago, lidarose9 said:

Most of these people have no clue about how to parent a child. When Butch picks up Nova and oohs and aahhs over her, there is an awkwardness that tells me he's done this maybe twice before in his life. These are people who want to be SEEN to be good parents for the sake of the cameras, but the truth is, they can change diapers and shove bottles into mouths, but past that the kids are free range. Nova seems to have inherited a lot of Cate's personality in that she's more passive, not demanding attention. This is the age when lifelong patterns are being programmed into her, alongside her genetic predispositions. She's being given very little stimulation, engagement, encouragement, etc. That trip to the gymnastics place was for the cameras. The only "outings" Nova gets are being shoved into a high chair at a fast food place. It's very sad.

Thinking about the stark differences in parenting and environment between the 2 daughters Cate and Tyler have produced, it would be interesting (and probably heartbreaking) to see the differences in personalities and behaviors between Nova and Carly in 8-10 years.

[StatisticalOutlier]

15 minutes ago, rayndon said:

Thinking about the stark differences in parenting and environment between the 2 daughters Cate and Tyler have produced, it would be interesting (and probably heartbreaking) to see the differences in personalities and behaviors between Nova and Carly in 8-10 years.

I'm pretty sure Brandon and Teresa are BIG believers in nurture vs. nature.

[ghoulina]

4 hours ago, Uncle JUICE said:

But there's a giant difference between spoiling your wife with like jewelry or vacations or things she likes, and spoiling her with yet another creature that's going to shit all over your house, no? 

Of course. Again, I do not think the pig was a wise decision. I just find there to be a real dichotomy between the Tyler we see on the show and the way he portrays himself on social media. On SM he acts like she is the great love of his life and she could do no wrong. On screen he can barely tolerate and she often looks scared shitless around him. 

 

3 hours ago, gunderda said:

Cate also admitted that there was a fight that night. The producers asked if she was a wreck because of fighting with Tyler and she said something to the effect "no, it wasn't the fight, it was...." 

I thought she said, "No, it wasn't A fight". 

[TaxNerd]

11 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I'm pretty sure Brandon and Teresa are BIG believers in nurture vs. nature.

And yet will take full credit for all Carly accomplishes in her life!

[Brooklynista]

18 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Of course. Again, I do not think the pig was a wise decision. I just find there to be a real dichotomy between the Tyler we see on the show and the way he portrays himself on social media. On SM he acts like she is the great love of his life and she could do no wrong. On screen he can barely tolerate and she often looks scared shitless around him. 

 

I thought she said, "No, it wasn't A fight". 

yeah...but it was a something.

[jumper sage]

1 hour ago, Teddybear said:

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There are rumblings on other sites that something sinister happened to the pig and that's why Catelynn had her breakdown. Some are speculating her dogs killed it.

@Teddybear Ok I am going to need a link to those other sites.  Please, pretty please?

[ChristmasJones]

Someone upthread posted a picture of the pig when it was bigger - with April.  So I don't think it was killed.

[eskimo]

2 hours ago, evilmindatwork said:

Haha. You mean you expect her to put thought, research and gain a general understanding of an expensive and sentient animal she brings into a house with a barely cared for baby and god knows how many dogs? How reasonable of you. 

Lol, I know.  Once in a while I expect my kids to have their chores and homework done on time and without being reminded.  I think I must like being disappointed.

[DNR]

8 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Tyler and Cate are currently on vacation for their anniversary. He just made some IG post about he can't help but to spoil his wife. I guess pigs don't count. My issue with him is he tries to say one thing, but his actions show a whole other side of him. 

 

8 hours ago, evilmindatwork said:

Yes, Tyler's lovey dovey social media posts don't seem to match reality of their situation.  We only see a tiny slice of their lives but it's a mess from what I see .  It's very easy to sit at your keyboard and write romantic crap you cut and paste - there's a total disconnect from real life. 

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[ginger90]

And who had Nova while they were on their trip?

Apparently Amber is (or recently was) in New York. Do we suppose it was on days she would not have had Leah? And what does Matt's brother do unsupervised by those saving him from himself?