Season 4 Discussion

[Primetimer]

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[J80134]

19 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

As Jorge was buying that diamond for Anfisa, all I kept thinking was uh oh, isn't this the same Anfisa that was eyeing 3-5 karat rings that cost 150-300K? That diamond he bought looked to be about a carat or so and the total was 11K. Methinks Anfisa is not going to be happy with that. But in Anfisa's defense, it must be fucking boring to sit around all day, hence the calling and pinging. And Jorge has done zilch to introduce her to people for her to spend time with. She doesn't strike me as the kind who will be happy with puttering around the house, doing chores and cooking Jorge's dinner. Also, with the phone calls, why doesn't he just reject her calls? I don't get it.  

That's what I thought too. He went without her, so he may try to pass it off as a more expensive ring. I can hear the "it's smaller, but better quality of diamond" BS coming while he's still on his knee. I suspect he's broke & had to make his 15K deal before he could go get a ring (which is why 15K was his max). I don't know how big his grow business is, but I suspect it's not big enough to turn out a ready crop on a weekly basis, so it could be a month or more before he has a new batch to sell. He doesn't seem to budget his money, so he's either flush or broke. Those flush times are what led Anfisa to believe he's much wealthier than he is. If he'd been honest with her, I don't think she would have come here for him. She would have looked for a wealthier bootlicker.

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, sleepyjean said:

For some reason, whenever Jorge says "my love", I hear "Mistress." Yes Mistress. Right away, Mistress. Whatever you say, Mistres

So much this!  He wants to be her worm, but she is clearly bored with playing the dominatrix.

[Pepper Mostly]

Jorge is an idiot. And really, if is wasn't so completely downright dangerous his car meltdown would be hilarious. He could not cope at all! And the whole thing was a crisis of his own making. He could have: helped Anfisa find some stuff to do so she wouldn't be bored. gotten a Lyft or Uber app for her so she could go out and explore. gotten her a gym membership. found her a meetup group of foreign fiancees. gotten her a library card (ok, that's a stretch). Bought her a stack of fashion magazines. He's so terrified of losing her he wants to keep her prisoner. Not too smart.

He has what my father calls "a regular boy's haircut", which makes him look like a little kid. When he gets that dumb look on his face he looks like fourth grader whose teacher just asked him what happened to his homework.

[Wings]

I fell face first into a marathon yesterday and have all episodes scrambled in my brain.  I have been searching each thread to comment on specific couples.  Forgive me if I make a mistake on that

A general comment.  All of them are seeking a green card, love has nothing to do with it so saying he/she just wants the card is merely fact.  

Alla stands apart from the rest but, you will have to say I love you, eventually.  It doesn't matter what happens in your culture, you are here now, and if you want a green card, you will have to play the game.  Staring at him blankly will get you a ticket home.  

Jorge, for god sake, put your foot down or don't answer her pings.  She is a hopeless brat and he is an idiot.   

What happened to Mohamed and his pathetic wife and Melanie and her husband (I like them)? I caught one show with them but see no mention of any of that group.  

[Drogo]

Mohamed/Danielle, Devar/Melanie, etc. appear on a separate spinoff show called 90 Day Fiance: Happily Ever After. 

The spinoff has its own forum, located here.

[vmcd88]

Narkiya strikes me as one of those women who claims not to take any mess when it comes to men yet they ignore all the clear signs/common sense that their man is no good.   You know Anfisa is not going to like that ring Jorge bought.  Did that tuna can of a car that Jorge bought not have a hookup for hands free communication?     So Alla does not love Matt.  Talk about no boundaries.  Is that why Matt's other 3 marriages ended?  Matt doesnt know when to tell his friends to stay out of his relationship.  Pedro needs to go back to the Dominican.  Chantal is not the girl for you.  

[bichonblitz]

Why in the hell was Nicole's adorable daughter who she hasn't seen in 5 weeks sitting at the opposite end of the table next to her sister at dinner? What a peice of shit she is. If that was my kid, she would be smothered with kisses and love all night long.....

I don't understand what Alla is doing. You come all the way over here to marry someone in 90 days but you don't know if you love him? What's the rush, hon? 

[Major Bigtime]

8 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Why in the hell was Nicole's adorable daughter who she hasn't seen in 5 weeks sitting at the opposite end of the table next to her sister at dinner? What a peice of shit she is. If that was my kid, she would be smothered with kisses and love all night long.....

I don't understand what Alla is doing. You come all the way over here to marry someone in 90 days but you don't know if you love him? What's the rush, hon? 

A) the little girl has probably gotten more love and affection from her aunt in those weeks than she's ever received from Nicole in her lifetime.

B) They're all here for the green card. Period. Love has nothing to do with it.

[Toaster Strudel]

All this drama and I'm obsessing over Nicole's Everest of mashed potatoes and niblets.  The rest of the family was eating carrots and what looked like cold roast beef, but baby Nicole has to be catered to with her special children's menu.  She couldn't share in the beef... that's not sweet/carby enough for her.  In her plate was a huge shapeless mound like it fell from a dump truck, and she was eating it with a backhoe shovel.  All washed down with an extra large, sugar-laden ice tea.

The sounds of the scene... I wonder if the editing monkeys didn't turn the volume up to amplify the low rumble of her cavernous sighs.  The trip to Morocco was a disaster-  anyone but her dare bring it up, and she's really put upon.  They are completely incompatible, she knows that, but they both decided to become different people so everything will be alright!  He's hawt! That's the only thing she cares about, she is so infuriatingly superficial.

[Neurochick]

14 minutes ago, vmcd88 said:

Narkiya strikes me as one of those women who claims not to take any mess when it comes to men yet they ignore all the clear signs/common sense that their man is no good.

She just wants a husband, period, end of story.  She doesn't care what he is, how she gets him or what, just as long as she can say, "my husband." 

[Major Bigtime]

1 minute ago, Neurochick said:

She just wants a husband, period, end of story.  She doesn't care what he is, how she gets him or what, just as long as she can say, "my husband." 

And wear that wedding dress.

[merylinkid]

If Mo could get his green card despite being so obviously only marrying for the green card, then Alla will be just fine.    

Alla is sticking to her end of the bargain.    She will treat Matt with respect and decency.   That is a pretty good start to a relationship.   Unfortunatley Matt believes in twu wuv and is convinced he's found it with Wife #3 he ordered out of a catalogue.    He is only slightly less delusional than Jorge.   He also needs to stop letting other people run his life -- his friends, his MOTHER, etc.   Maybe if he ran his own life he wouldn't keep getting married to find external validation for his worthiness.

[Janet Snakehole]

I think Patrick is an ASS for questioning Alla, but I get why he is so invested. He has seen his best friend go through three divorces, and has presumably had to be his rock during those times. I would be questioning and side eyeing my best friend in the same situation, and they would do the same for me. Like it or not, but Matt clearly wants love. I doubt someone would get married three times and engaged a fourth without being a romantic. He strikes me as a love addict. Issues of worries for Alla and her son aside, this will not end well most likely, beause of Matt, not Alla, and I can't blame a best friend for being upset. He is going about it the wrong way but I get his frustration.

[ALittleShelfish]

There aren't any words to describe how angsty I got when we all had to sit and watch Alla defend herself to Patrick.  Fucking grow a pair, Matt, and stand up to your "best friend" and tell him to lay off the woman YOU CHOSE to marry.  SHE shouldn't have been hung out to dry like that. And let's face it, no woman Matt could ever be with will be good enough for Patrick (and that shouldn't matter, Matthew Middlename McMommasboy).  

Also, Julie? Girl, TLC can't be paying you enough to be Patrick's girlfriend on national television.  There's probably a dude in Morocco that might be interested tho.

[Neurochick]

6 minutes ago, Janet Snakehole said:

I think Patrick is an ASS for questioning Alla, but I get why he is so invested. He has seen his best friend go through three divorces, and has presumably had to be his rock during those times. I would be questioning and side eyeing my best friend in the same situation, and they would do the same for me. Like it or not, but Matt clearly wants love. I doubt someone would get married three times and engaged a fourth without being a romantic. He strikes me as a love addict. Issues of worries for Alla and her son aside, this will not end well most likely, beause of Matt, not Alla, and I can't blame a best friend for being upset. He is going about it the wrong way but I get his frustration.

As I watched this, I switched the genders in my mind.  What if I had a female friend who kept marrying lousy men, had been divorced three times and was going to marry a man who flat out said he didn't love her?  Maybe I would have been as pissed as Patrick too, however I probably wouldn't have expressed it the way he did.  The truth is that people will do what they want to do, even if it's not what is best for them, and sometimes you just have to let your friends go.

[R-tori]

It's just a gut feeling, but I don't believe Jorge and Anfisa. I think he's a far bigger con artist than he's letting on. Yes, she's a gold digger, but he's not totally unaware and he's milking the poor schlub angle hen pecked by wretched shrew to direct attention to Anfisa's social media. I think the two of them would LOVE it if they were able to spin this into their own TLC reality show. I think his family is in on it to some degree as well. None of them seem to be using their real names except Anfisa. 

[Awfarmington]

11 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

As I watched this, I switched the genders in my mind.  What if I had a female friend who kept marrying lousy men, had been divorced three times and was going to marry a man who flat out said he didn't love her?  Maybe I would have been as pissed as Patrick too, however I probably wouldn't have expressed it the way he did.  The truth is that people will do what they want to do, even if it's not what is best for them, and sometimes you just have to let your friends go.

I have two girlfriends that habitually end up with the wrong kind of man. In the beginning, I talked to them until I was blue in the face, trying to prevent them getting hurt. But then I realized that all the wrong men weren't the problem, THEY were.

It's one thing to intervene (in a loving way) with a young inexperienced friend. But a 40 year old repeat offender, doesn't need and won't accept anyone's advice. Matt's a grown man, and is old enough to have common sense. His friends just need to let the train wreck happen, because interrogating Alla isn't going to prevent it.  

[J80134]

Nicole was so busy stuffing her face that half of her responses were just that weird grunting noise. It was like watching a cavewoman. Then she says she still believes that Azan can change. Sure, he might loosen up a bit in the US, but getting his feet on different soil isn't going to magically make him like her or be attracted to her. He couldn't fake it to cinch the deal while she was in Morocco. Maybe he'll throw her a bone to get to the alter, but once there is a marriage certificate she'll be crying in the middle of the floor screaming "I need my sex", ala Dani.

I understand that Alla is in "like" with Matt and appreciate the fact that she's honest about it taking time to reach love. The problem here is that, while Matt pretends to be ok with this, he wants more and his insecurities will haunt him until he drives her away. Alla is a much kinder woman than I am. Neither Prying Patrick or Meek Matt would have walked away from that dinner table with their assholes in tact.

Jorge's sisters cracked me up. I'd give it to my brother straight too. We support each other, but part of a truly loving, trusting relationship is risking upset to call them out a life-ruining decision. It also means that once you bring attention to it, if they still decide to proceed, you suck it up and accept their stupidity. At least until they see the light for themselves. That should happen for Jorge at about the 2 year mark, when Anfisa ditches him for someone who doesn't make her skin crawl.

Narkiya, I get it girl. You're dick-whipped. Lowo goes all out to provide a mind blowing ride...because pussy carnie is his profession. Any woman with the money for a ticket can hop on. He's happy to supply cupcakes, but a wedding cake is just bait dangled too high for his many catfish to catch. I so hope this guy uses condoms. Blech!!

So Chantel is offended by Pedro's mom? Good. She needs a taste of her own medicine.  

[okerry]

52 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

B) They're all here for the green card. Period. Love has nothing to do with it.

The foreigners are 100% in it for the green card/U.S. life, while the Americans are in it for hot sex with partners who would never look at them twice otherwise - every one of them, the women included.

It's a depressing garbage heap of the worst possible relationships and I never miss an episode, lol.

Edited November 7, 2016 by okerry

[okerry]

Matt was more than happy to let Patrick, his mouthpiece, say what Matt doesn't have the balls to say. That's what we saw.

Edited November 7, 2016 by Drogo
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[magemaud]

2 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Anfisa is a straight up bunny boiler. 

Then maybe it's a good thing she doesn't know how to boil water. Run and hide, Little Kitty! 

I took the liberty (pun intended) of looking up Liberty Diamonds on the internet. I found in Jorge's $ 10-15K price range, the majority of their round stones were about 1.5 carats. Certainly not the 3 to 5 carat rocks that she was looking at in the first store. I wonder if the disappointing diamond is what triggers her keying the the side of the previously unseen van (is that where Jorge slept the night she kicked him out?) 

And I'm furious re-watching the scenes of him being totally distracted, holding his phone and reading texts while driving! 

[TheVoicesToldMeTo]

  36 minutes ago, Janet Snakehole said:

I think Patrick is an ASS for questioning Alla, but I get why he is so invested. He has seen his best friend go through three divorces, and has presumably had to be his rock during those times. I would be questioning and side eyeing my best friend in the same situation, and they would do the same for me. Like it or not, but Matt clearly wants love. I doubt someone would get married three times and engaged a fourth without being a romantic. He strikes me as a love addict. Issues of worries for Alla and her son aside, this will not end well most likely, beause of Matt, not Alla, and I can't blame a best friend for being upset. He is going about it the wrong way but I get his frustration.

As I watched this, I switched the genders in my mind.  What if I had a female friend who kept marrying lousy men, had been divorced three times and was going to marry a man who flat out said he didn't love her?  Maybe I would have been as pissed as Patrick too, however I probably wouldn't have expressed it the way he did.  The truth is that people will do what they want to do, even if it's not what is best for them, and sometimes you just have to let your friends go.

In non-Western cultures marrying for love is a relatively new concept. Marriages were arranged by families or you end up marrying whoever is around, after a chaperoned courtship, because you are 18 and it is "time". Ukraine is a little more modern, but not by much. So hearing Alla truthfully admit she's not "in love" with Matt yet - likely because she barely knows him - and probably is having second thoughts about what she has seen so far - isn't necessarily a red flag. Unfortunately the way this K1 Visa thing works, it forces the couples to 'make it legal' too quickly so everyone just deludes themselves into believing they are in Disney-movie level love with one another as they split an Applebees dessert and stare out the window into the snowbank. Oh, and Patrick's girlfriend - girl, if you were married to him I'd say you made your own bed here lie init - but after seeing him be suck a dick - run now while you have the chance!

Jorge: Did he say that he was doing his business deal in a strip mall parking lot?

[booboopbedoo]

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Jorge: Did he say that he was doing his business deal in a strip mall parking lot?

He was meeting his "Business" contact near the 99 cent store??????????

[Dobian]

3 hours ago, MrSmith said:

I'm pretty sure the "pure Dominicans" comment is a slam against Haitians. There is a lot of bigotry by Dominicans against Haitians. So, it was probably something along the lines of "Do they think we're just dumb Haitians? We're PURE Dominicans". I'm not saying it was right or defending it. I just wanted to point out that Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the island of Hispaniola and I wanted to say that I'm pretty sure that's where that comment came from. For me, it's the only way I can make sense of the comment.

They touched on this Dominican thing in OITNB.  I'd have to re-watch the episode.  

[MrSmith]

1 minute ago, Dobian said:

They touched on this Dominican thing in OITNB.  I'd have to re-watch the episode.  

Interesting. Though, not interesting enough to get me to subject myself to OITNB.

[Pepper Mostly]

I've seen a fair amount of this since my town has a good sized Dominican community. One young friend of mine told me she gets a lot of pressure from her mother and sisters to straighten her hair because people might think she's Haitian, for example.

[Neurochick]

22 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I've seen a fair amount of this since my town has a good sized Dominican community. One young friend of mine told me she gets a lot of pressure from her mother and sisters to straighten her hair because people might think she's Haitian, for example.

Years ago, I had to set somebody straight; they were Dominican and I simply said, "the only difference between me and you was where the slave ship stopped."  Yes, it's a bit simplistic, but I think she got my point anyway that ended the discussion. 

[Landlord]

2 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Remember this is Anfisa. She has no interest in exploring her neighborhood. Now if Jorge gave her a big wad of cash each morning, she could hire a car service to take her shopping and she probably would lay off the iphone for a little while. 

No she wouldn't. She;d still ping him for every skanky outfit she would try on to seek validation at to her physique. 

[sarah82]

1 hour ago, ALittleShelfish said:

There aren't any words to describe how angsty I got when we all had to sit and watch Alla defend herself to Patrick.  Fucking grow a pair, Matt, and stand up to your "best friend" and tell him to lay off the woman YOU CHOSE to marry.  SHE shouldn't have been hung out to dry like that. And let's face it, no woman Matt could ever be with will be good enough for Patrick (and that shouldn't matter, Matthew Middlename McMommasboy).  

Also, Julie? Girl, TLC can't be paying you enough to be Patrick's girlfriend on national television.  There's probably a dude in Morocco that might be interested tho.

Hmm, I wonder who will last longer, Patrick and Julie or Matt and Alla?  Julie seemed pretty embarrassed by Patrick's behavior.

[hisbunkie]

12 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I think Girlfriend was lying to Mommy. She knows that she was an awful brat in Morocco. To make up for that fact, she lied her ass off to make herself look like a victim by telling her family he told her to "shut the fuck up" and that she needed to lose weight so that he could be more attracted to her. 

I don't think she was lying, I think that's what she heard.  I think that's what she hears often, probably in her own head.  I would never want to diagnose someone on tv, but, Nicole appears to be clinically depresses to me.  She also appears to have some developmental disabilities.  Again, just an observation.

[ZaldamoWilder]

11 hours ago, Squirrely said:

God, are Matt and Alla the winners of this season?? Everyone is all about Anfisa being real and honest, when Alla has been quietly sitting in the corner refusing to say "I love you" and admitting she may never do so. 

For me?  Alla is.  I can't sufficiently express how much I fist pumped for this girl saying this.   She doesn't go to any efforts to hide her motivation and I love that they can't call her on it.   Patrick's question (for his friend) you really want to get married for the fourth time to a woman who says up front she's not in the same place that you are and need to be to feel secure?  I mean I know that place doesn't exist I just want to hear what he'd say to it.

8 hours ago, mamadrama said:

 

I actually applauded Alla for saying that. To  me, she was not saying that she doesn't love Matt, she was saying that love (to her) is something that builds up over a course of many years and takes a long time to develop. It reminds me of the following exchange from the play THE HEIRESS. 

Morris: Is it possible to offer more than the most tender affection and a lifelong devotion?

Dr. Sloper: A lifelong devotion is measured after the fact; and meanwhile it is usual in these cases to give a few material securities.

All to often we are quick to say that we "love" people or are "in love with them." True love, in my opinion, comes with time and daily living with the other person. I've been with my husband for many years. In the beginning I said I "loved" him. However, it's NOTHING compared to the feelings I have almost 20 years later. In fact, when I look back on those early years I am not sure I even knew what love was. Infatuation? Yes. Desire? Yes. Maybe even obsession. But the real love came much later. And we are definitely stronger. 

This is what I think Alla means. 

Beautifully stated.  It's all very Remains of the Day.  Too bad Matt's too antsy to smooth it out in time to enjoy it.

 

3 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

And Alla needs to understand that she is marrying someone who places a LOT of importance on love. For her, it may be about friendship, affection and respect that may one day grow in to more. But Matt wants to be loved. He wants it very very badly. And whether she's doing it for the right reasons or not, she's denying him that. He's a big puss, so he'll hang around, but he's obviously hurt by it.

 

See comment above about friendship, affection, and respect. Alla wants to make a better life for herself and her son. But she's not willing to abuse Matt to get it. They've had their disagreements, but she she's been quite adaptable and willing to go along to get along.

 

Yes, but can you imagine the repercussions when he gets home?

For some reason, whenever Jorge says "my love", I hear "Mistress." Yes Mistress. Right away, Mistress. Whatever you say, Mistress.

I wouldn't go that far. If it passes, there will be a lot of competition and a lot of motivation to get into that market. He's going to have to step up his efforts in order to win market share, or he'll be squeezed out. Depends on how good a businessman he is.

I give his mom a pass. I'm not ready to ascribe racism to a situation where we have so little context. Her baby boy went to another country to marry this idiot chick who tried to hide their relationship, and when it finally came out, sided with her parents in bullying him into signing a legal document he doesn't understand. Meanwhile, she's far away and can't do anything to help or to support him. I think she went into full on mama bear mode.

Patrick isn't doing anything to help anybody. He a "right fighter." He just wants to be right. And he wants everyone to acknowledge it. And when the relationship doesn't work out, he will be the first to say "I told you so." I don't think any of his behavior comes from caring about Matt. I actually don't think he likes Matt very much at all.

I think this puts all the responsibility for his feelings squarely on her shoulders when she isn't hiding anything.   If it's really this important to him, one of his options includes finding a woman who loves him, today.

4 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

It's OK. Everyone that knows her knows what happened now that it's been on TV. But I wouldn't put it past production of this goofy show to tell her to do that, and for him to go along with it. Production put Nicole in real danger at times with the way she dressed and acted. 

Production could have stepped in and told her "this type of clothing isn't acceptable here...". But they didn't.

I don't remember whether it was specific to her clothing, but with regard to a handful of other cultural and religious customs and traditions, he told her what was and wasn't acceptable.   And to the extent that it opposed what she's used to, she rejected it.   Nicole is the kind of kid who thinks holding up an American passport is akin to wearing Kevlar.    It cannot save her life in an emergency but listening to and having respect for the culture she's immersed in, just might.

3 hours ago, MrSmith said:

I'm glad to get your view on this, then. What did you take her to mean by saying "pure Dominicans"?

Yeah, we didn't really care for how Azan treated Nicole, either. (For that matter, we didn't care for how Nicole treated Azan!) We figured his treatment of her is mostly down to being young, immature/inexperienced in life, and not realizing that you can get your partner to eat right and exercise by being supportive, positive, and building them up; whereas being negative, critical, and tearing them down is going to have the opposite effect. For the most part, if you don't have either direct or indirect (observational) experience with such a situation, it'll take a you some time to figure this out (and that assumes you ever figure it out; my sister-in-law's husband has never figured it out and they've been married about 22 years). Seeing him call her lazy really made us cringe.

When it comes to Nicole, we're mainly angered that she didn't take even 5 minutes to Google "Morocco" and learn about that country's people, their customs, laws, religion, and history. Coming in a close second for reasons why we dislike Nicole is her constant and aggressive choice to ignore the customs around public displays of affection by unmarried persons. Even if that were allowed, she doesn't have to hang on him constantly. Give the man some space and let him be his own person some of the time. Third is the fact she doesn't listen and, instead, has to constantly talk. That's the short list. Nobody wants to read a dissertation on the ways in which Nicole screwed her own visit/vacation to Morocco, and I don't really want to write one, anyway. :)

You're a better person than I.   Her complaint was an incline made of sand.   How does she help her baby get out of bouncy houses?

30 minutes ago, J80134 said:

Nicole was so busy stuffing her face that half of her responses were just that weird grunting noise. It was like watching a cavewoman. Then she says she still believes that Azan can change. Sure, he might loosen up a bit in the US, but getting his feet on different soil isn't going to magically make him like her or be attracted to her. He couldn't fake it to cinch the deal while she was in Morocco. Maybe he'll throw her a bone to get to the alter, but once there is a marriage certificate she'll be crying in the middle of the floor screaming "I need my sex", ala Dani.

I understand that Alla is in "like" with Matt and appreciate the fact that she's honest about it taking time to reach love. The problem here is that, while Matt pretends to be ok with this, he wants more and his insecurities will haunt him until he drives her away. Alla is a much kinder woman than I am. Neither Prying Patrick or Meek Matt would have walked away from that dinner table with their assholes in tact.

Jorge's sisters cracked me up. I'd give it to my brother straight too. We support each other, but part of a truly loving, trusting relationship is risking upset to call them out a life-ruining decision. It also means that once you bring attention to it, if they still decide to proceed, you suck it up and accept their stupidity. At least until they see the light for themselves. That should happen for Jorge at about the 2 year mark, when Anfisa ditches him for someone who doesn't make her skin crawl.

Narkiya, I get it girl. You're dick-whipped. Lowo goes all out to provide a mind blowing ride...because pussy carnie is his profession. Any woman with the money for a ticket can hop on. He's happy to supply cupcakes, but a wedding cake is just bait dangled too high for his many catfish to catch. I so hope this guy uses condoms. Blech!!

So Chantel is offended by Pedro's mom? Good. She needs a taste of her own medicine.  

Pussy carnie.   That is all.   LMAO!!!!!

Chantal is too immature to be an adult, let alone anyone's wife.   How can she possibly object to Pedro letting his family know what's happening?  In Spanish no less?  Girl, bye.  You met him in his home country for one and this man's broken English is leaps and bounds beyond whatever that is you're speaking.    The DR is homogeneous, there's no reason in the world he should even have to know English. 

I'm cool on Jorge and Petunia, he knows what he's doing and he's willing to pay the price.

I can't find any tears Argentina for Kiya either.   I was out at the *somebody at the embassy took my phone* story.    But done-done at "a Nigerian woman would not........"   let's stop all this joy luck shit right now and call up your first wife and ask her.     How could they think televising their thirst is a good idea?  

[Landlord]

54 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Then maybe it's a good thing she doesn't know how to boil water. Run and hide, Little Kitty! 

I took the liberty (pun intended) of looking up Liberty Diamonds on the internet. I found in Jorge's $ 10-15K price range, the majority of their round stones were about 1.5 carats. Certainly not the 3 to 5 carat rocks that she was looking at in the first store. I wonder if the disappointing diamond is what triggers her keying the the side of the previously unseen van (is that where Jorge slept the night she kicked him out?) 

And I'm furious re-watching the scenes of him being totally distracted, holding his phone and reading texts while driving! 

It appears to be. I hope it's a rental. Sort of. 

9 minutes ago, sarah82 said:

Hmm, I wonder who will last longer, Patrick and Julie or Matt and Alla?  Julie seemed pretty embarrassed by Patrick's behavior.

I'll say Matt and Alla. Hopefully, Julie's seen enough of how much of a dick her boyfriend is and she'll go the the wedding alone to show Alla support and Patrick will pack his shit and split.

[greekmom]

Matt & Alla:  I agree with posters above. Patrick has a) no business in questioning Alla and  b)wants sexy time with Matt since he is beyond concerned about Alla not telling Matt yet that she loves him. 

I find it odd that Matt (and Patrick) would push about the love business. I am sure Matt’s 3 previous wives all told him how much they loved  him forever and wanted to be him forever.  How did that turn out, eh Matt?  Not so well.  Plus, I notice with a lot of these Ukraine wives they don’t put much stock in love or flowery words, etc.  I am wondering if it’s just a cultural thing? Actions speaking louder than words and respect playing a bigger part that the ‘I love you’ ?

Nicole & Azan: Again, agree with above posters that a) Azan wouldn’t have used a profanity word when telling Nicole to be quiet.  It doesn’t seem in his character to swear to her on or off camera and b) she seemed more interested in making up for the absence of 5 weeks of good ol American cooking, then to discuss her trip and/or spend time with her daughter.   Seriously Nicole. Find an American.

Chantel and Pedro: Estupido! You are are making a mockery of  the audience. I seriously think this is all cooked up.

Narkyia and Olulowo: All is well. Just eat the cupcakes and the lies he tells you. 

Jorge and Anfisa: Send the cray cray back to Mother Russia.  Actually scratch that. Marry her and have her doing your marijuana drops and the five and dime.  Hopefully that will keep her from being bored, put her to work and make her own big money for the purses, the clothes and shoes.  Just get another phone for business and a Bluetooth you dummy putz. 

Put me on the list of I can’t wait to see what happens next week!  Gawd either we are being scammed by TLC/Sharp or these idiots are really that stupid. I’m hoping it’s the latter.

[MrSmith]

14 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

You're a better person than I.   Her complaint was an incline made of sand.   How does she help her baby get out of bouncy houses?  

Walking up a sand dune is actually quite a lot of work. If you're not used to it, it takes a lot out of you. They're vastly different from a bouncy house. Like, not even in the same universe of difficulty.

[mamadrama]

1 hour ago, TheVoicesToldMeTo said:

Unfortunately the way this K1 Visa thing works, it forces the couples to 'make it legal' too quickly so everyone just deludes themselves into believing they are in Disney-movie level love with one another as they split an Applebees dessert and stare out the window into the snowbank. 

That is not how it is meant to work, just the way these people use it. I married my husband on a K1 visa. However, prior to applying, we had dated for 2 years and lived together for 1 year. We followed the site Visajourney.com and just about everyone else had the same story. TLC is purposefully choosing people who barely know each other for drama; established relationships woukd be boring.

[spankydoll]

15 hours ago, Meowwww said:

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Why in the hell was Nicole's adorable daughter who she hasn't seen in 5 weeks sitting at the opposite end of the table next to her sister at dinner? What a peice of shit she is. If that was my kid, she would be smothered with kisses and love all night long.....

I don't understand what Alla is doing. You come all the way over here to marry someone in 90 days but you don't know if you love him? What's the rush, hon? 

Jorge trust your gut.  Who texts/calls 1000 times per minute?   Ugh. 

Nicole's daughter was seated for safety. They didn't want her sucked into the jet stream caused by the inhalation of 5 pounds of potatoes and 7 ears of corn.

[ZaldamoWilder]

4 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

Walking up a sand dune is actually quite a lot of work. If you're not used to it, it takes a lot out of you. They're vastly different from a bouncy house. Like, not even in the same universe of difficulty.

Oh ok.  I still think she's lazy, but appreciate the clarity  ; )

[MrSmith]

1 minute ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Oh ok.  I still think she's lazy, but appreciate the clarity  ; )

Well, she *is* lazy, but her inability to scale a sand dune is not necessarily the indicator for this character trait that you seem to think it is. She refuses to exercise and has said so many times on this show. *That* is what proves she's lazy. The only reason Azan could scale the dune as easily as he did is because he lives in a place where you get to traverse dunes as frequently as you wish - and Azan clearly loves being in the desert. Even when I was fit, lifting weights (including doing 1,000 pound standing calf raises [including my own body weight] and 600 pound seated calf raises [to work on the soleus muscles]), and doing cardio, I don't think I'd have had an easy time scaling a dune, either. And that was a time when my body fat percentage was between 7 and 11 percent.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Well, with your correction, I was actually done using the sand dune as an example, that's why I thanked you for the clarity.   Persistent belief in her laziness is dune notwithstanding.   But I did just learn that the next time I'm desert trekking I should probably take a buggy.

[CoachWristletJen]

  12 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

Walking up a sand dune is actually quite a lot of work. If you're not used to it, it takes a lot out of you. They're vastly different from a bouncy house. Like, not even in the same universe of difficulty.

Oh ok.  I still think she's lazy, but appreciate the clarity  ; )

Also there's the oppressive, dry heat! If you're not used to it, it can really suck the life out of you ~ no matter what kind of shape you're in! There's 90 degree heat and then there's 110 degree heat. (I'm not saying she's not lazy, but she can't get into shape overnight. She could have been pushing herself to the max and in her current shape still only able to go about 1/10 as far as he could.)

[CoachWristletJen]

34 minutes ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

For me?  Alla is.  I can't sufficiently express how much I fist pumped for this girl saying this.   She doesn't go to any efforts to hide her motivation and I love that they can't call her on it.   Patrick's question (for his friend) you really want to get married for the fourth time to a woman who says up front she's not in the same place that you are and need to be to feel secure?  I mean I know that place doesn't exist I just want to hear what he'd say to it.

Beautifully stated.  It's all very Remains of the Day.  Too bad Matt's too antsy to smooth it out in time to enjoy it.

 

 

Remains of the Day indeed! She could definitely teach Matt a thing or two about life if he can demonstrate a capacity to learn! I think she could be really good for him! She actually seems to be all about the commitment which is something his past brides seemed to have lacked.  I hope his friend is smart enough to realize that he's dealing with something very different here, and for Matt, different is good. Basically Matt should look at whatever he's done before and do the opposite.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Let me be clearer.   I think she's lazy.  From stuff she has said and her demonstration that she fully enjoys the lifestyle of a young person exerting no more effort than it takes to lift a fork.   No debate (at least not from me) as to acclimation.

[Granny58]

17 minutes ago, MrSmith said:

Well, she *is* lazy, but her inability to scale a sand dune is not necessarily the indicator for this character trait that you seem to think it is. She refuses to exercise and has said so many times on this show. *That* is what proves she's lazy. The only reason Azan could scale the dune as easily as he did is because he lives in a place where you get to traverse dunes as frequently as you wish - and Azan clearly loves being in the desert. Even when I was fit, lifting weights (including doing 1,000 pound standing calf raises [including my own body weight] and 600 pound seated calf raises [to work on the soleus muscles]), and doing cardio, I don't think I'd have had an easy time scaling a dune, either. And that was a time when my body fat percentage was between 7 and 11 percent.

and I'm sure you wouldn't have worn tight jeans and a sleeveless top to scale dunes in the desert.  

[CoachWristletJen]

1 minute ago, pastaintheprincess said:

This thread is hilarious...

Only love exists in western marriages? Well if these women are getting married because each person is taking something from the other than these "women" you support for being so awesome need to get in check with their wifely duties, because that's what you're supporting, not love, not being independent or even a being a strong woman.

A guy gets a hot young thing and you get all disgusted, a guy gets a woman that doesn't love him and has a child and she rocks...

I feel sorry some of you don't know what love is.

Oh hell no.  Speaking for myself, I'm not in any way saying that this relationship is ideal. Matt's no prize. He's already demonstrated himself to be a a jealous man-baby who can't speak for himself. But he's also kind of sad and I'd like to see him find happiness. If every relationship has been an F so far, I'd like to see him have a good solid C-.  And maybe, with a commitment involved, that could be a C+ or even higher if there's sexual compatibility.  

And I wouldn't say western marriages are superior. They're just different.  

And these older men picking up hot young things overseas are in general kind of gross but of course it varies on a case to case basis.

[Pepper Mostly]

56 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

Years ago, I had to set somebody straight; they were Dominican and I simply said, "the only difference between me and you was where the slave ship stopped."  Yes, it's a bit simplistic, but I think she got my point anyway that ended the discussion. 

Exactly--my young friend understands this. And she doesn't give a shit, she wears her big curly hair with pride! But it is a very charged thing for a lot of Dominicans.

[CoachWristletJen]

I laughed aloud when Chantel talked about Pedro's mom being overbearing. Like, I'm so glad your parents are NOT that way, Chantel!

Her son is far away in the hands of people who are not loving, who have not received him with open arms. (Pedro, the one who really should be modeling, time, time, time is on his side, not tas tas, tas), He is in a foreign land with a flighty woman who is more concerned about her dress than she is about the actual MAN she is going to marry! And, she has the confirmation of that coldness with this weird contract that they are trying to force him to sign.

I sort of feel like the whole reason she lied for so long was because Chantel felt ashamed of Pedro for some reason. He's the man that you love! Stand by his side and be proud of him!

[DangerousMinds]

33 minutes ago, CoachWristletJen said:

Remains of the Day indeed! She could definitely teach Matt a thing or two about life if he can demonstrate a capacity to learn! I think she could be really good for him! She actually seems to be all about the commitment which is something his past brides seemed to have lacked.  I hope his friend is smart enough to realize that he's dealing with something very different here, and for Matt, different is good. Basically Matt should look at whatever he's done before and do the opposite.

You may be right, but what makes you think Alla is in for the long haul, and won't leave him after she gets her green card, etc?

[operalover]

I know a lot of people from Russia that feel the American way of life is very isolating. Often they live in these big apartment buildings with inner courtyards where everyone interacts in the yard and I off their balconies all day long. You can go out on your back porch and talk to the entire neighborhood in a lot of Russian cities. They come here and sit alone in a house or apartment and feel lonely and isolated.  I do think Anfisa is bored all day and she can't work or she might just to get attention outside of the house. That is a big cultural difference as our cities are not built like that. Plus I guess she can't just take a walk and be in a big piazza full of people either.  I think she thought she would be the center of attention in America and not sitting alone all day. Lol. 

[DangerousMinds]

5 minutes ago, operalover said:

I know a lot of people from Russia that feel the American way of life is very isolating. Often they live in these big apartment buildings with inner courtyards where everyone interacts in the yard and I off their balconies all day long. You can go out on your back porch and talk to the entire neighborhood in a lot of Russian cities. They come here and sit alone in a house or apartment and feel lonely and isolated.  I do think Anfisa is bored all day and she can't work or she might just to get attention outside of the house. That is a big cultural difference as our cities are not built like that. Plus I guess she can't just take a walk and be in a big piazza full of people either.  I think she thought she would be the center of attention in America and not sitting alone all day. Lol. 

Hard to do when we are generally at work all day in this country. And there are plenty of things to do in LA, go to one of the many public parks if you want to be around people.

Edited November 7, 2016 by DangerousMinds