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24 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

My hubs asked me if their engagement was such a secret, how did they explain the cameras following them around?  I told him that it's more than likely a reenactment of their story.

She explained what she told her parents about the cameras in episode 1 or 2, I believe.

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53 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

My hubs asked me if their engagement was such a secret, how did they explain the cameras following them around?  I told him that it's more than likely a reenactment of their story.

She told her family it was for a dating show.  I'm amazed at how many lies this girl tells.  Personally I wouldn't marry someone if I knew they could lie so easily to people they love because I know they would just as easily lie to me.

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18 hours ago, tumamita said:

Yes exactly! I, like you, migrated to the US (from Canada) to be with my high school sweetheart. We wanted to just live together but legally, it wasn't possible. We ended up just getting married so we went through the immigration process the wrong way but we were young and clueless! I also wasn't coming from a place where I needed permission to enter - so we applied for a change of status. It's costly, time consuming, frightening! The interview is so scary and they actually do make you feel like you are committing immigration fraud when really most people have real relationships (4 yrs for us prior to green card).

TLC does misrepresent and I also find it hard to understand how so many of these folks are actually getting approved for these visa's considering some of them meet for the FIRST TIME on the show (wtf?).

Well, it seems I am going thru the exact opposite. I married my Canadian hubby (and moved to Canada) six years ago. We are STILL going thru shit trying to get me a perm. residency! (And I'm from the US). We thought the new government coming in, with their talk of improving immigration etc would help.....Nope! Nope! Nope!. I am now trying to convince my husband to moving to the US as I am fed up with all the crap here. 

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I love how when Anfisa talked about missing her family back in Russia, she then smugly said,"But Jorge is my family now." Lol. Also is it just me, or does she look severely sedated in all of her talking heads ? Like she is on xanax or something ? Or is her affect overall just very very low energy.

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It bothers me how her face -Nicole- changes when she doesn't get her way  and how fast she gets angry. Her eyes get black.

Grossed me out at the beach when she rubbed his chest and I bet she drooled.

So she had sex with someone before she went to profess her true love for Azan?

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He basically said she's going to make a bunch of slutty friends and they're going to go out and hook up with guys, and if she goes to the club with them, she'll do the same thing. As if she isn't a grown woman - a mother - with a mind of her own. She's just a promiscuous, weak-willed little twit who have sex with random dudes because everyone else is doing it. 

Yeah, I hated him for that. If you want to establish a rule in your marriage, discuss it. Don't accuse your fiancee of being a floozy with no self-control.

Nothing to add about Nicole except that "ham sweaty ass" is a great phrase.

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I thought I saw that a same sex couple were going to be on this year, too. Maybe that will be next season and they are filming now. 

I read somewhere that they broke up before filming started. Perhaps they found someone else stupid enough to be on this show. The Nicole/Azan pairing is now such an obvious atempt to recreate Dani/Mohamed that I am quickly losing interest in watching more Sharp Entertainment manipulation.

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15 hours ago, Matias130 said:

I love how when Anfisa talked about missing her family back in Russia, she then smugly said,"But Jorge is my family now." Lol. Also is it just me, or does she look severely sedated in all of her talking heads ? Like she is on xanax or something ? Or is her affect overall just very very low energy.

Anti-depressants can give someone a very flat affect, too. It could be that that's how she tolerates her lifestyle. I'm convinced she's just a high-end escort and maybe porn actress.

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58 minutes ago, okerry said:

Anti-depressants can give someone a very flat affect, too. It could be that that's how she tolerates her lifestyle. I'm convinced she's just a high-end escort and maybe porn actress.

Moscow is a very expensive city to live in. I know people from there who make a lot of money in the US and think twice about buying an apple whenever they come  back to visit family.  I really don't see how a 20 year old from there can be half fillers and plastic parts, unless she's had a string of sugar daddies. If she was from a wealthy family, her parents would have sent her to finishing school in Europe and they would have found her a rich guy to marry her off to with a pedigree that checks out, not some zhlub like Jorge.

She does have that dead behind the eyes look, not the look of a woman in love, or even one that's happy to be there on vacation.  I can see what people mean on speculating that she must have been a high priced escort.

... Anfisa is definitely a nasty piece of work, and can only be described as my Brit mother would say as "common" or as "chusma" as my Latino husband would say.  Jorge complains that American women are just "too independent", so he wants to buy himself a plastic tart who treats him like an ATM. How is Anfisa NOT independent? She's got her own hustle going on, and even though I find her rude, smug, and a total beyotch of the seventh water, I have to respect her for not pretending to be anything other than who she says she is. The attraction to foreign women seems to be predominately beta males who want to attract a better looking woman than they're capable of getting here or they want someone who is subservient and they want to gain the upper hand by holding a visa or green card over their heads. No American woman with a lick of sense would put up with that shit.  But wait..there's Dani, Nikki, Nicole...

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On 9/27/2016 at 6:28 PM, biakbiak said:
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Pedro has zero English. There is no way he could have learn that fast and be able to be fluent enough to have a conversation, let alone a conversation at the table with 10 people. Too confusing.

They haven't said but they supposedly met through a program that connected them so she could improve her Spanish and that he could improve his English. Of course that could have been as much of a lie as his student visa lie.

Even just enough to greet her family and say, "Hello? How are you?" You can learn that much in an afternoon.  Chantel came to visit him more than once during their courtship so I'm going to say he had at least a few months there, plus a good two to three months to study in earnest while he was waiting to get approved for the K-1.  He should at least be able to greet them and have something of a one-on-one conversation with her brother, even if it was a simple one. I'm also wondering what line of work he was in before he arrived or if he was working at all?

Of course perhaps Chantel is just a lousy teacher.

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On 9/28/2016 at 9:43 AM, Passthepopcorn said:

Good point. Maybe he is doing just that, enduring this until it is over. Who knows what obligations he has with this show? Maybe he has to take her to his family, has to do this and that. But so far he still acts as if they are engaged and he'll come to the US and get married. No indication of "I don't think this will work out, honey". Maybe he'll disclose that gently and a step at a time. So, we'll see....

Right. And if I were Azan, I wouldn't start the breakup speech until right before I was going to put her on the plane. Otherwise it's going to be 4 1/2 weeks of meltdowns and tantrums.  In fact, I wouldn't blame him for breaking up via Skype after she was safely half a world away and for there her parents to deal with.

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On 9/26/2016 at 1:06 AM, Trampolina said:

Nicole loved announcing on national television that she 'cheated'. It was like waving a banner that said 'a guy wanted to put their penis in me!'. Citizenship cannot possibly be worth dealing with that woman/child.

Chantal is nowhere near ready to be married. She needs to get over her need for random dudes grinding on her before committing. What a sloppy drunk.

Can Matt buy Alla some new clothes? That fur vest and those all white outfits may be fashionable in Kiev but look really cheap and outdated.

Agreed! New clothes for Alla! Let's take her shopping!

And, Matt, she's NOT going to cheat on you just because she makes friends and goes to a bar with them! Good grief.

Do you know what will make a woman cheat? PARANOIA! Keeping her cooped up in the house all day.

BTW, she's going to need to make some friends of her own because YOUR FRIENDS SUCK, MATT! THEY SUCK! 

Can't you find something better to do with this woman than taking her to be interrogated every night? How about flowers and a movie? Remember what your mom said about finding out what she likes and doing that? I guarantee it's not INTERROGATION!

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LIP WAXING...PLEASE! Especially if you're going to be on TV!

(to the new girl and her friends)

AHMYLAWDHAVEMERCY!

BAHAHA a Azan telling Nicole that basically, he didn't care about her getting her drawers in a bunch because "his country, his culture".

Bet that's one of the few times she's been stood up to...without immediately cutting that person out of her life.

Oh, also, I see Anfisa is going for her Razzie this week.

goodgawdahmighty @ this week.

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NEW GIRL, you betta run!  Tale as old as time:  Girl meets boy, boy says he's a prince with a dead baby mama (btw- I'm prrrrrretty sure your man hit me up for some sort of inheritance/queendom/marriage over e-mail), boy is actually a commonfolk man living in Vietnam with a very alive baby mama, woman gets pissed, then takes him back because...reasons.  You know, the usual love story.  

Nicole, you are a bitch.  I didn't think I could dislike her anymore than I did... but her incessant need for touching, clinging and her downright POUTING and nah-nah-nah demeanor during the fight was unreal.  

Chanteldro is super boring, as usual.  

Alla.  You need to get away from this guy.  He's majorly damaged goods.

Jorge's secret was pretty much obvious from the beginning (although, I really was hoping for the whole "born a female" thing).  Poor girl, suffering in a fine hotel.  It will be interesting to see how they turn out, though.

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The whole thing is just a bunch of bullshit.

First, if Jorge was such an old fashioned guy (remember his comment? He dislikes feminist American women because he wants to take care of his woman), ok he can’t even get a freaking apartment.  She can’t cook.  So traditional -not.  Like the poster above, her idea is to supervise everything while cooks, nannies, maids etc do everything.  I see Jorge sweating because I think he has grossly over exaggerated his income for the eye candy that Afashia is.  Unless this is TLC produced drama.

Matt is an loser ass. 

Catfish lady is an idiot. If Mo can get past the interview – what do you think? Your Niagrian Prince can fake it.

Looks like Nicole’s vacation maybe cut short.  If she wanted some hot guy to bone her 24/7, she should have gone to Jamaica. She may have had more luck.

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40 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

The argument between Nicole and Azan was interesting. I was praying he would end it right there. Her use of the phrase "show me off" was bizarre, with her demanding to know how he was going to show her off if he wasn't putting his arm around her in public. This is going to sound harsh and reveal what a horrible person I am, but honestly, what is there to show off? She's an obese, provincial, self-absorbed, damanding, 22 year old single mom with no education, a minimum wage job, no prospects, no maturity, and nothing in her closet but tank tops and jorts. I'm trying to understand what she thinks she has that needs to be shown off. And who it needs to be shown off to.
 

In other news, Matt is a jealous little b!tch. That comment he made about Alla "she's done a good job of making sure she gets noticed" should tell her everything she needs to know about him. That, and the fact that he refuses to put his friends and family and check. Alla is too much of an independent adult for him.

And finally, what the hell was up with Anfisa's nipples? They were large and in charge under that tank dress.

I was HOPING that Azan would break up with her but No...  There they are riding camels

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7 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Frankly, I am starting to think that whole fight and canceling his ticket to Russian was some ruse so he wouldn't see how she really lived. 

Great catch. This will now be my truth. I've also decided that Matt's ex-wives never cheated on him. That jealous language is an alarm bell blaring, "I feel so inadequate that I believe you holding the door open for the man behind you is flirting and you are always looking for a way out of our relationship." It's a horrible relationship to be in, and she will be run down and exhausted before the ink dries on her marriage certificate.

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I signed up for an account JUST so I could tell you that "testing a camels strength" made me laugh for like 30 minutes IslandGal...also this is a train wreck that seems way more blatantly scripted than prior seasons. 

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I can’t believe Nicole is angry because Anza isn’t showing her off.   This immature, needy, nut job is delusional. 

Narkiya appeared more upset that "Prince Akeem of Zamunda" lied about his location, than she did about his "late" baby mama and the fact that he isn't a prince.  She seemed to be seething when her friends were trying to talk some sense into her. This won’t end well. 

I noticed that when Matt was talking about Alla going out, his face started twitching.  I hate to say it, but their relationship seems like an episode of “Snapped” waiting to happen.    

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Nicole is blowing up her own relationship.

Matt is fucking up his relationship with Alla.  Him saying that she was making sure she would be noticed was completely shitty. HUGE red flag. And designed to her her feelings and shame her into not making herself beautiful. He is a terrible person. TERRIBLE.

 

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25 minutes ago, Lawyerbelle said:

I signed up for an account JUST so I could tell you that "testing a camels strength" made me laugh for like 30 minutes IslandGal...also this is a train wreck that seems way more blatantly scripted than prior seasons. 

I stayed up late just to come here and post about feeling so sorry for that camel.     I see there are already 2 other sympathizers here. :)

No one should feel bad about Nicole. Dumb, ignorant and should have her child removed from both her and her family. And yeah, she really is hard to look at.

My hope is that Azan will make her a camel dung burger, with an extra large order of fries.   

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Matt. I'm quickly beginning to see why his marriages didn't work out. Alla is a smart lady and I'm sure she'll get his number quickly. It really wasn't too smart of Patrick's girlfriend to let Alla know in such a brutally honest way about Patrick's feelings, now Alla will never like him.

Anfisa. They only thing she's going to be making for dinner is reservations. At least she's upfront about her intentions, she's not sugarcoating a darn thing.

Chantel. Come clean already, this farce isn't helping at all. She's got a limited amount of time to plan a wedding and she should be focusing on that, not wasting time in covering up her lies and concocting new ones.

Nicole. Every week I think she can't possibly get any stupider, but she continues to amaze with the levels of infantile behavior she exhibits. Constantly interrupting Azan and pushing him around when he's trying to explain why and how he's feeling isn't helping grease the wheels for a loving and harmonious relationship. All she wants him to do is shut up and bone her. I feel sorry for him, he's looks stuck and unsure of how to get out of this mess.  I'm even starting to feel sorry for the camels.

Narkyia. Trust your instincts and run, lady!

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33 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

I noticed that when Matt was talking about Alla going out, his face started twitching.  I hate to say it, but their relationship seems like an episode of “Snapped” waiting to happen.   

YES !!!!!  I saw it too. 

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I was so relieved that Narkiya's boyfriend isn't a Nigerian prince. If he was I'd be worried my Nigerian prince is cheating on me, lol!

How can Narkiya and Pedro still be interested in people who lie?  Sorry, but that should be a deal breaker in any book.  If someone can lie so easily then it's a pretty sure thing they'll lie again.  Like Narkiya said, "he's lied to me so much that now he's really gotta prove stuff he says is true."  Yeah, that's a relationship nobody should want.  Who wants to be paranoid and anxious all the time?  SMH

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I commented that Nicole seemed aggressive in the last episode when she told him "Do NOT tell me no!" when she was trying to hug him out in public.   Tonight we see her actually get physically aggressive with him when she was angry.  Its interesting to see the combination of immaturity, insecurity, and then aggressive/demanding in one person.  Its an interesting mix for sure. Makes me wonder what her temper is like with her daughter and family.

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18 minutes ago, Bunnygirl said:

I had a sinking feeling in my stomach when I saw in the previews that Azan produces a ring. Omg, I just can't.. 

What!? I missed that...all I saw was the poor camel getting a slipped disc in between its humps. Don't do it Azan! Also, upon further consideration I love Anifsa...the fact that Jorge is enamoured with her even though she is so F deficient (like she literally gives not a single F about any of this) and has slightly sociopathic dead eyes make me just feel like He actually DESERVES what's coming to him and will enjoy it.

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34 minutes ago, Bunnygirl said:

I had a sinking feeling in my stomach when I saw in the previews that Azan produces a ring. Omg, I just can't.. 

I know!  I was saying Yes he's going to send her home. Oh man camel riding and an engagement ring

was that one of the producers sitting down with Nicole and Azan's family? Maybe crew had to intervene 

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For everyone who is wondering what Azan sees in Nicole, remember that she is 22 years old, has blonde hair and is a native-born United States Citizen.  That last point is all she needs.  There are thousands of men around the world who would marry her just for being a young American blonde.  Do not underestimate the power of these characteristics.  With her personality, it will end up like Mo and Danielle because 

Chantel is not ready for marriage.  I don't understand why she wanted to "make some friends" with other boys and grind on other boys at that club on last week's episode.  Pedro seems like a nice guy so I feel bad for him but I don't think that he should have agreed to come to the USA lying to his future in-laws.  He should only have agreed to come if he was really able to get a student visa or get a work visa and provide for himself and Chantel.  He should have considered asking her to live in DR.  

I have no words for the fake African prince.  I disliked him ever since I saw the preview when he said "She put a ring on it!"  I wanted to vomit. That poor woman doesn't even care that he lied to her about two major things.  She is so desperate.  I wish that her friends could figure out a way to stop her from pursuing this relationship.  

Anfisa's appearance frightens me.   She looks like she has undergone facial cosmetic surgery.  Does Jorge find her attractive simply because she is Russian?  He is not old or ugly.  If he lost about 50 pounds and went to the gym, he would actually look okay.  This stupid idea of American men looking for poor uneducated foreign women to live out their 1950s backwards ideas of gender roles is to blame.   I don't feel sorry for Jorge because he could improve his appearance and easily find a woman in the USA.  Even with his criminal record.  

Alla is the only women that I kind of like.  I don't know what she is thinking marrying a man who has been twice divorced but she has a child and she needed to come to the US so I guess she feels that she has to take what she can get.  Matt is creepy.  His appearance and his jealousy don't sit well with me.  I hope that he does not do anything crazy.  I agree that the friend should never have shared what Patrick thinks. She does not need to know that.  I hope that her son does not get hurt in all of this.  At least Nicole's daughter has her aunt and grandparents.

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1 hour ago, Lawyerbelle said:

I signed up for an account JUST so I could tell you that "testing a camels strength" made me laugh for like 30 minutes IslandGal...also this is a train wreck that seems way more blatantly scripted than prior seasons. 

So much this....and that Azan should slap a blue ribbon on her and have done with it.

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Did you catch the in the preview clip for next week that Anfisa tries on a $45,000 wedding gown?! TLC also played the part about Anfisa musing how Jorge promised her whatever she wanted if she came.....good grief, ridic, ridic, ridic.

Not sure, of course, if it's the one she ends up asking for (or getting), but WHAT?!

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I have no words for the fake African prince.  I disliked him ever since I saw the preview when he said "She put a ring on it!"  I wanted to vomit. That poor woman doesn't even care that he lied to her about two major things.  She is so desperate.  I wish that her friends could figure out a way to stop her from pursuing this relationship.

 

 

This storyline feels like an intrusion.   The idiocy and sleaziness surpass the other stories by a mile.  The single greatest cliche in the world of internet scams is the Nigerian royalty scam, and now we're asked to sit and watch it dramatized.   I have no use for either of these people.   And I now hate the word "catfish" she used it so many times. 

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I also hate her use of catfish, which is a false identity for the purpose of enhancing one's romantic prospects.  From her own description her "prince" was a 419 scammer, using a false identity for the purpose of draining her of every last cent she has.

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Oh, yes, Anfisa. I'm sure your apt. in Russia was bigger and nicer than this one. So why is she here? Oh, that's right, it's purely for love!

Azan, dump Nicole while you are still in your own country. It will be so much easier for you. Put her on a plane and start fresh trolling the internet for a new American. 

4 hours ago, Lawyerbelle said:

all I saw was the poor camel getting a slipped disc in between its humps

Stop! I'm dying! All of you with the camel jokes are freakin' geniuses!

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Anfisa if she wasn't such  a villain I might feel sorry for her. Clearly Jorge is not the catch she thought he was. So if his medical marijuana business goes belly up, which is a distinct possibility with most small business, especially those like the marijuana business which hasnt found its business legs yet, then anfisa will be off with a guy with no job,  a criminal record and a work history that many companies may frown on. I hope Jorge is putting lots of money away cuz he may need it. But something tells me he goes through every  cent he makes. 

Oh Nicole I'm with azan wtf do you want? When he tells you PDA is not acceptable you pout. 

Run alla run. Matt will never get over his feelings that Everytime the phone rings or you step out the door that you are cheating. Also, lose the gloves. Fingerless gloves are really not a thing in Kentucky. 

The other 2 I give a big whatever to. I think tlc made a mistake not introducing the new couple from the beginning. I'm not as invested in them as the others and I'm not sure I will be. 

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Matt is coming across as a whiny, manipulative douche.  Now I see why his other marriages ended.  He always says he was cheated on his first and third marriages.  Wonder what happened with 2nd marriage?

Jorge - He's a felon.  Didn't he meet Anfisa out of the country?  Are felons allowed visas?  I really don't know.  But the "you're dumb,"  MARVELOUS!.

Azan concerned that May called him daddy so soon.  Does May call every boyfriend daddy?  Or has Nicole already told her "that's your new daddy?"  Not good.  But I was pleased that he picked up on it and is concerned about it.  Watch Azan's audition tape at TLC.  I think he's actually alright as a person and if he dated someone who wasn't so immature and needy could make a good husband (maybe, I mean, I don't know him after all).  But her theatrics are designed to manipulate him in order to soothe the huge holes in her psyche.  I wish the entire show was these 2.

Narikya - OMG SHE'S IN MY AREA!!!!  I don't know if I would recognize her at the mall but there's no way I would miss her friend with the nose spikes.  WTH is that!  How does one WORK with those things in?  What a perfectly dreadful look.  

Chantel - boring as usual.  No point in her being on this show.  Who cares.

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Wait what? When did you guys see that bit about Nicole's daughter, because I must have blinked, I didn't see it. 

Also, Nicole's TH. 

"I tried to hug him out in public, and he gave me a funny look. I don't understand. So that's that." (not word for word, but sums it up.)

Azan: (in his head) Oh my f'ing GOD! What have I done to you?

Nicole, Smirks. Effin' smirks. She knows. Oh, she knows, she is completely aware. 

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10 hours ago, Major Bigtime said:

Chantel's pastor saying "whatever you say here to me today stays between us" is a fricking joke. The guy is an actor or lost all credibilty with his church with this episode. 

It looks like he was holding church in his house.

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