Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[TomServo]

6 hours ago, toodles said:

I'm the mother of GWB.  My son was 8.8lbs.  

Me, too.  My *smallest* baby was 8.5 lbs.  And none of them were "squishy" with fat rolls; they were all built like bricks.  I had a better diet than most; no gestational diabetes; no C-sections, no oxygen and baby warmers; didn't even experience significant tearing with the biggest one.  They're all tall and skinny now.  Some people just have big babies, period.

Do we know whether Derick was on the large size when he was born?

[Christina87]

I think it worries me even more because of all derrick's extreme anti-abortion posts around her second trimester. I've had a bad feeling about this birth since the beginning. 

Did you guys see that post on duggar official, obviously from Michelle? It said something like it was great to see your kids growing up, but the tone was oddly somber, and it ended with some sort of hashtag like #mommaprayers or something like that. 

[Marigold]

If the "crying Duggars at the hospital story" is true, it's possible that there is a problem with Samuel.  Maybe nothing super super serious but newborns make everyone emotional and hearing any type of problem can set off family, especially if Jill is not coping well. 

For some reason, I suspect the problem (if there is one) is more likely with Samuel rather than Jill.  We already saw that he was hooked up, indicating some routine complications, as Doodlebug pointed out a few pages back. Maybe some further complication popped up? 

If Samuel is having more involved complications, then he cannot be photographed at this time. The Dills aren't going to post Jill without the baby. Therefore, no pictures. 

The issue could be Jill but we already KNOW there were some complications with Samuel...

I hope there are no complications with either of them. 

[zoomama]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Taking that out just makes it look like there is something to hide. So now, I am REALLY suspicious about what went down.

i tried to like this but got some weird message saying i am not allowed to like it.   i am getting really concerned myself, sew. something is just not right. 

[Marigold]

7 minutes ago, zoomama said:

i tried to like this but got some weird message saying i am not allowed to like it.   i am getting really concerned myself, sew. something is just not right. 

I get messages like that periodically too.  Various posters. Weird glitch I assume. 

38 minutes ago, Christina87 said:

I think it worries me even more because of all derrick's extreme anti-abortion posts around her second trimester. I've had a bad feeling about this birth since the beginning. 

Did you guys see that post on duggar official, obviously from Michelle? It said something like it was great to see your kids growing up, but the tone was oddly somber, and it ended with some sort of hashtag like #mommaprayers or something like that. 

It was an odd post. However, Michelle is odd so who the heck knows what she really meant.  maybe she ran outta hairspray and was bent out of shape. 

I did wonder why no mention of Samuel.  I would think she would be gushing at some publicity. 

[BitterApple]

The thing is, if everything is hunky dory, then why mention prayers? I agree whatever happened may not be as serious as we think, but obviously all is not well and it's likely not well due to Jill's negligence. I think Boob and his P.R. guy are trying to figure out the best way to spin the story with minimal damage.

[starlightlost]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Derick's had a lot of free time on his hands since the baby was born. I wonder if he scrubbed his IG of what he perceived as criticism while Jill slept off her painkillers?

But..but free time is all he has lol

[McManda]

19 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I agree whatever happened may not be as serious as we think, but obviously all is not well and it's likely not well due to Jill's negligence.

This is also the family that asked for prayers for seasonal allergies, for donations to their ministry, and for a new contact person in DA (and as an after thought prayers for him too, because he's probably not going to live much longer.)

Basically they ask for prayers for everything. Asking and thanking people for praying is their MO ... I don't see it really as anything different this time.

Edited July 10, 2017 by McManda

[Patricia07]

I'm really having trouble comprehending how Jill could have done this a second time.  

[farmgal4]

2 hours ago, IntoTheMystic said:

I haven't been able to find a source anywhere, but supposedly someone posted that their mother is in the same hospital as Jill and Samuel. This person allegedly posted a comment on one of the news stories saying that they had seen a few of the Duggars crying in the hospital elevator and then crying in the cafeteria. There was a camera crew present, but none of them were filming and were just carrying their cameras and sound booms, not using them. Take that for what it is. It could be nothing. I could be something. It could be untrue. I don't know. Like I said, I can't find the post anywhere and I've been looking for hours. 

If that is a true story, I'll bet the farm that something happened, and Jill has been told that she can't have anymore children.  News like that is equivalent to a death in that family of nonstop breeders.

[Jellybeans]

1 hour ago, Stacey1014 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they're quiet to drum up more viewers for the show tonight. If they don't say anything, maybe more people with tune into the show tonight for a possible update. 

I hope they are simply trying to keep viewers guessing.  That is the best scenario.

[drafan]

2 hours ago, PradaKitty said:

I wonder if something will be said during the faux commercials during the Counting On airing tonight...

That's probably the whole point of the silence...to get viewers to watch the show.

2 hours ago, IntoTheMystic said:

I haven't been able to find a source anywhere, but supposedly someone posted that their mother is in the same hospital as Jill and Samuel. This person allegedly posted a comment on one of the news stories saying that they had seen a few of the Duggars crying in the hospital elevator and then crying in the cafeteria. There was a camera crew present, but none of them were filming and were just carrying their cameras and sound booms, not using them. Take that for what it is. It could be nothing. I could be something. It could be untrue. I don't know. Like I said, I can't find the post anywhere and I've been looking for hours. 

Of course, the preposterous part of this is there wouldn't be SEVERAL Duggs eating in the hospital cafeteria.......it would only be JB and Mullet.

(All snark aside, I hope everything is OK. Geez,)

[farmgal4]

11 minutes ago, Patricia07 said:

I'm really having trouble comprehending how Jill could have done this a second time.  

Zero common sense is my guess.

[Annb67]

17 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

If that is a true story, I'll bet the farm that something happened, and Jill has been told that she can't have anymore children.  News like that is equivalent to a death in that family of nonstop breeders.

That was my point earlier. MY something bad and DUGGAR bad could be total opposite ends of the spectrum. I had two children and after the birth of the second was told that. Everyone's reaction? Oh I'm sorry. Glad you and the baby are ok. We had two...I was grateful.

[saylubee]

I don't think Duggar's crying is indicative that anything is truly wrong.  Come on, Michelle lost a baby and had a micro-preemie.  Jessa just had a baby.  Anna is pregnant.  Cathy had her own medical scares.  Jana is usually heavily involved in the home portion of the births.  The visual of seeing the baby in the NICU covered in wires is very startling especially if they have him on a respirator or EEG monitoring.  I can easily see any one of them crying in the cafeteria/elevator over the enormity situation.  I could easily see Jim Bob tearing up if Jill had been crying.

Doesn't mean Jill is now barren.

Edited July 10, 2017 by saylubee

[momofsquid]

Here's what I keep thinking. The longer they stay silent, the longer we keep speculating, the more threads like this one light up, the more TLC sees there is still interest in the Duggars. I would be surprised if TLC didn't monitor online discussion as much as they look at ratings. They've created a hot topic by saying nothing.

[ThinkerBell]

3 hours ago, PradaKitty said:

I wonder if something will be said during the faux commercials during the Counting On airing tonight...

I know this is going to sound jaded, but I think the 'radio silence' is simply a way to manipulate viewers so they tune in to tonight's show in hopes of an announcement about the baby's arrival featuring Jill, Derrick, and BWB #1 cooing about blessings, babies, and this very special season of life.

[ariel]

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Not surprising. 

I'm suspicious about the radio silence. Benessa made a video congratulating the Dullards on their fucking #babymoon for crying out loud.

Let me get this right.  The two grifters have had a babymoon?  WTF?

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, starlightlost said:

But..but free time is all he has lol

He had SUPER EXTRA free time, not just "I'm too lazy to work" free time. LOL

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, drafan said:

That's probably the whole point of the silence...to get viewers to watch the show.

Of course, the preposterous part of this is there wouldn't be SEVERAL Duggs eating in the hospital cafeteria.......it would only be JB and Mullet.

(All snark aside, I hope everything is OK. Geez,)

I expect that Joy, James, and possibly even Jenni were also there to witness the birth, only to be shoved aside when Jilly was whisked off to the OR. Okay, maybe not James, but definitely Joy and Jenni. And Jana. Someone had to man the TTH; I imagine that fell to Jessa, and the picture Mechelle posted of Izzy eating lunch at the base of the Pool House stairs was totally a diversion tactic, as I mentioned when it was posted. Who knows when that pic was actually taken, but Izzy is certainly at the TTH being taken care of with the other littles. Being a Stage 5 Clinger, I don't know if Jill would allow Derelict to even leave her side (except to see the baby) until they wheel her out of the hospital. Izzy's probably been sleeping with Jana these past couple of nights. 

[RedheadZombie]

On July 9, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Marigold said:

Izzy was a large baby and Sam was also large.  She might've had GD and kept it quiet, we don't know.

I can tell you from my own experience of having 10 pounders:

My first son was a 10 pounder.  I'm Jill's size.  Baby's arm broke, 2 dislocated hips and massive tearing for me. It was a train wreck.  I was in a top NYC hospital with a good OB.  Baby scanned much smaller and who the hell would've thought I was carrying such a big guy.  (That son is now 6'6").

Next pregnancy I was transferred to a high risk OB.  I was given the GD test as usual and I also went back in every 2-3 weeks during the last trimester to monitor for late GD.  It was all negative.  But, my point is, is anyone monitoring Jill like that?  I have had all big babies and large babies are high risk for the mother and the baby. I was always monitored so much closer than my "small baby" friends. I had more advanced ultra sounds and my last baby was watched closely because she was in a bad spot on a C-section scar...being so large...it concerned the OB. It was all fine but you get my point. 

I have no more medical information than what is on social media. I do wonder if Jill had been more open to more medical intervention if she could've had a VBAC rather than try to "go it alone" at home and not really know what she was doing. 

That breaks my heart a little that your sweet baby suffered like that.  What a welcome into the world.  I'm sure it was stressful for you to hold him because you were afraid of causing him pain.  I'm glad to hear that he's a big strapping man now.  

[queenanne]

1 hour ago, saylubee said:

I don't think Duggar's crying is indicative that anything is truly wrong.  Come on, Michelle lost a baby and had a micro-preemie.  Jessa just had a baby.  Anna is pregnant.  Cathy had her own medical scares.  Jana is usually heavily involved in the home portion of the births.  The visual of seeing the baby in the NICU covered in wires is very startling especially if they have him on a respirator or EEG monitoring.  I can easily see any one of them crying in the cafeteria/elevator over the enormity situation.  I could easily see Jim Bob tearing up if Jill had been crying.

Doesn't mean Jill is now barren.

They could be tears of relief that everyone is OK, or tears because the tubes and wotsit are giving them Josie birth flashbacks.

[mythoughtis]

I think they are just under contract to not release anything on their own. People or US or Today might have paid big bucks and want their money's worth.   I also think Derick was told he miscounted the hours of labor, and that's why he removed that part.  

[SMama]

Perhaps wishful thinking but I hope Israel is with Grandma Cathy. He needs the one on one attention, since he did not even get that as an only child. Israel does not need to be part of the Lord of the Flies reenactment at the TTH. Loathe the willful ignorance and arrogance of the parents; but sincerely hope Jill and Samuel are doing well. And as curious as I am there is NO WAY I'd watch tonight. 

[BitterApple]

6 minutes ago, SMama said:

Perhaps wishful thinking but I hope Israel is with Grandma Cathy. He needs the one on one attention, since he did not even get that as an only child. Israel does not need to be part of the Lord of the Flies reenactment at the TTH. Loathe the willful ignorance and arrogance of the parents; but sincerely hope Jill and Samuel are doing well. And as curious as I am there is NO WAY I'd watch tonight. 

Amen. Cathy seems to be starved for one-on-one time with her grandchild. I'm sure she's visited Jill at the hospital, but there really isn't too much to do there since Jill is likely doped to the hilt and sleeping most of the time. Izzy is much safer with his Grandma than he is with that feral pack of children running amok at the prison.

Edited July 11, 2017 by BitterApple

[GeeGolly]

25 minutes ago, SMama said:

Perhaps wishful thinking but I hope Israel is with Grandma Cathy. He needs the one on one attention, since he did not even get that as an only child. Israel does not need to be part of the Lord of the Flies reenactment at the TTH. Loathe the willful ignorance and arrogance of the parents; but sincerely hope Jill and Samuel are doing well. And as curious as I am there is NO WAY I'd watch tonight. 

19 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Amen. Cathy seems to be starved for one-on-one time with her grandchild. I'm sure she's visited Jill at the hospital, but there really isn't too much to do there since Jill is likely doped to the hilt and sleeping most of the time. Izzy is much safer with his Grandma than he is with that feral pack of children running amok at the prison.

[sometimesy]

3 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I think it worries me even more because of all derrick's extreme anti-abortion posts around her second trimester. I've had a bad feeling about this birth since the beginning. 

Did you guys see that post on duggar official, obviously from Michelle? It said something like it was great to see your kids growing up, but the tone was oddly somber, and it ended with some sort of hashtag like #mommaprayers or something like that. 

I was wondering if that abortion stuff was Benessa or Dullards. Seemed like strange timing for a rant. 

It could be People delayed a story because they aren't able to film or photograph the family properly because the baby is in NICU, there is something the family doesn't want exposed yet, or a shower curtain fell. 

We'll find out soon enough, but really hope the baby is ok. 

[Annb67]

So no mention of the birth tonight at all and nothing in the previews for next week. Tad concerned.

[Patricia07]

Not even congratulations from TLC.

[tabloidlover]

Something is seriously wrong 

[lascuba]

I can't decide if I think something's wrong or if they're trolling us for the ratings. 

[tabloidlover]

I think Jill was told she can't have any more children.   She cannot emotionally cope with that. 

[ThinkerBell]

3 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

He had SUPER EXTRA free time, not just "I'm too lazy to work" free time. LOL

As Jill was cutting Derrick's hair in tonight's episode, he remarked, "all that hard work" to grow his now severed ponytail. Poor guy must be exhausted.

[cereality]

Didn't get to watch tonight as I'm without a TV - I find it REALLY odd that there was no mention of Derick, Jill or Samuel tonight. I fully expected a famewhoring video from the parents as they always do in this kind of thing. If they can't for some reason (like the baby not allowed to be videoed in the NICU and Jill and Derick not wanting to appear without him), then I expected JB and Michelle or some combo of their married siblings to do an announcement/congrats. And failing that, I AT LEAST expected TLC to make a 20 sec video spot saying congrats -- using pics we've already seen like a pic of the existing Dillard fam + the Samuel pic that Derick posted. Maybe it's about People having the exclusive, but I feel like People always has the exclusive and TLC STILL does something for the engaged/married couple/new baby -- I recall it vividly for Jing and Jer (using the one still photo of the engagement with the Empire State Building in the background) and also for Zach and Tori Roloff's baby - again using 1 recycled still photo so as not to breach any exclusivity clauses with People.

[Marigold]

I think it's the baby, not Jill.  C-sections are pretty routine. Not great and major surgery but routine. 

We DID SEE Samuel hooked up to monitors...so there is our first clue.  Maybe a cardiac issue was detected?

Edited July 11, 2017 by Marigold

[Magoo]

re: the hospital story. Do hospitals allow network camera equipment and sound crews on their grounds? Seems like something they would want to avoid for patient privacy laws -- all the hospital patients, not just the speshul Duggar clan. 

[CherryMalotte]

9 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I can't decide if I think something's wrong or if they're trolling us for the ratings. 

Both.  I'd say there's some sort of birth trauma going on, poor Sammy here has a multitude of little problems with his blood sugar, oxygen levels, and who knows what else, and she's probably gorked out on pain meds, especially if she did the repeat of what happened last time, waited too long, and perhaps has had either a hysterectomy or a doctor be very truthful with her about her bad birth choices.  And then...there's that People exclusive, and the more dramatic the better to fill their donation coffers!  

I'm not a big Cathy fan but I am happy the boys have her.  Being with her is probably the only normalcy that these two kids will ever have. 

[Sew Sumi]

4 minutes ago, Magoo said:

re: the hospital story. Do hospitals allow network camera equipment and sound crews on their grounds? Seems like something they would want to avoid for patient privacy laws -- all the hospital patients, not just the speshul Duggar clan. 

Depends on the hospital, I think. Mechelle had several births filmed. The Bateses have had several hospital births filmed. There was some filming of Jill consulting with the doctor before her first c-section, but I don't think the film crew was in the OR. Not sterile, etc. 

[cereality]

Despite all the snark -- Jill is young. I REALLY can't imagine that she's been told she can't have more kids. I'm no doctor - and I know we have an OB here on the board - but is it REALLY possible for a young woman to have so much internal damage with just 2 pregnancies that she's told no more kids at age 26?? Now I can imagine scenarios in which she's been told she can never attempt a home birth or vaginal birth again; or that given how the c-sections were done, she should safely only have 1 or 2 more max. Now I can see those things throwing her into a dramatic depressive tailspin -- as opposed to say Jessa or Jinger who may act sad for their husbands' and parents' benefit but would likely be internally thinking -- I only have to do this one more time, sweet!! But come on these are Duggars/Dillards -- they'll get over that news. After they're done being dramatic about it, they will simply settle on the reasoning that the one doctor who told them that (or the entire OB department at U Arkansas - whatever) are a bunch of heathens and it is not in their hands so it doesn't matter what they say; if they get pregnant again (and again and again) it's bc the Lord wants them to have more kids and doesn't care what the medical establishment thinks.

There's no way this baby has Zika right? I mean they were in the hotbed of Zika activity where even the Pope had said that Catholics should use BC -- BUT he is a big giant baby. For as much as I snark about them, I want all of them to be well -- AND I want Derick and Jill to start listening to medical advice so as not to endanger themselves or their kids.

[lascuba]

Just now, CherryMalotte said:

Both.  I'd say there's some sort of birth trauma going on, poor Sammy here has a multitude of little problems with his blood sugar, oxygen levels, and who knows what else, and she's probably gorked out on pain meds, especially if she did the repeat of what happened last time, waited too long, and perhaps has had either a hysterectomy or a doctor be very truthful with her about her bad birth choices.  And then...there's that People exclusive, and the more dramatic the better to fill their donation coffers!  

I'm not a big Cathy fan but I am happy the boys have her.  Being with her is probably the only normalcy that these two kids will ever have. 

The fact that Derick deleted the 40 hours of labor part makes me think that we're not going to get much details. With Israel's birth, there was a lot of discrepancies/omissions between the People story and what they showed and said on camera, and I'm sure the reason for that was that they were immediately slammed for all the shit Jill did wrong, like going 70 hours post rupture of membranes when GBS+.  I'm sure the People story will have some drama, but it will be very sanitized. 

[lascuba]

10 minutes ago, cereality said:

Despite all the snark -- Jill is young. I REALLY can't imagine that she's been told she can't have more kids. I'm no doctor - and I know we have an OB here on the board - but is it REALLY possible for a young woman to have so much internal damage with just 2 pregnancies that she's told no more kids at age 26?? Now I can imagine scenarios in which she's been told she can never attempt a home birth or vaginal birth again; or that given how the c-sections were done, she should safely only have 1 or 2 more max. Now I can see those things throwing her into a dramatic depressive tailspin -- as opposed to say Jessa or Jinger who may act sad for their husbands' and parents' benefit but would likely be internally thinking -- I only have to do this one more time, sweet!! But come on these are Duggars/Dillards -- they'll get over that news. After they're done being dramatic about it, they will simply settle on the reasoning that the one doctor who told them that (or the entire OB department at U Arkansas - whatever) are a bunch of heathens and it is not in their hands so it doesn't matter what they say; if they get pregnant again (and again and again) it's bc the Lord wants them to have more kids and doesn't care what the medical establishment thinks.

There's no way this baby has Zika right? I mean they were in the hotbed of Zika activity where even the Pope had said that Catholics should use BC -- BUT he is a big giant baby. For as much as I snark about them, I want all of them to be well -- AND I want Derick and Jill to start listening to medical advice so as not to endanger themselves or their kids.

If she had something that required a hysterectomy like a uterine rupture that couldn't be repaired or placenta accreta/increta , yes. 

[cereality]

8 minutes ago, lascuba said:

If she had something that required a hysterectomy like a uterine rupture that couldn't be repaired or placenta accreta/increta , yes. 

Well if it's something like that -- I'm not suggesting most women wouldn't mourn the family they had hoped for or expected. But most women (and men) would ultimately be thankful that the wife did ok medically with something like that, the baby is (hopefully) healthy, and they ended up with 2 beautiful sons. Not everyone gets to have kids - let alone 2; even in their fundie world - look at Michaela Bates struggling right now to have just 1. So hopefully instead of blaming the doctors and/or saying they're heathens who just don't know -- hopefully Jill and Derick can move towards the more "mainstream" way that people view these things.

[mythoughtis]

I would mourn too if I were told I couldn't have more children.... even if I hadn't planned on having more. Its just a natural emotion. 

I think they will come to terms with it IF that is what happened- which we have no idea. They will accept, that, in their religious world view, 2 children is the number that God chose for them.  Doesn't make it easier in the beginning, or as their siblings keep having children, though. 

[Rabbittron]

We know something went wrong but you know she will blame everyone but the person responsible herself. 

[cereality]

It's all speculation and we have no reason to believe that Jill has been told she can't have more kids - maybe she's been told it isn't prudent - but we don't know that she physically can't. Mark my words though if Jill and Derick have to stop bc of a physical reason or it's too dangerous (and they decide to listen to the doctors) -- Jing and Jessa won't be having 10 kids each in that case. Jill was/is the biggest kool aid drinker and they know it. If Daddy's favorite Jill can stop at 2 -- then you better believe Jing and Jer aren't having more than 2-3; and Jessa and Bin may have a few more bc obviously Ben still believes in as many as God gives them but Jess wears the pants in that marriage and will convince him or trick him into believing they're done at 4 or 5 max.

[JoanArc]

I'll go with Doodlebug's speculation that there probably wasn't a hysterectomy. If I have to buy into a conspiracy I'll go with Zika, or some birth defect that isn't immediately apparent in the photo, but serious. Just having qualified doctors all up in her business is enough to set Jill on a course of PPD. Imagine if someone has (nicely) told her she doesn't know shit about childbirth? She'd go freaking mental if she were shown to be a fool.

Sidenote - I hope she worse shoes while walking around the hospital this time. C.diff - head of it Dr. Jill?

Edited July 11, 2017 by JoanArc

[Christina87]

I wonder if Jill goes into the hospital spouting off about how she's a midwife and knows everything. I wonder if the doctors may be more harsh with her IF she does that. I know it would be hard to react any other way!

[saylubee]

I'm not so sure we still aren't waiting for the physical issue of People OR a professional picture of Jill, Derick, and Samuel.  The Dillard's would have more financial need to negotiate an exclusive contract for $$$ and to do it for the DONATE opportunities.  If Jill could have had a homebirth, we may have not even gotten the announcement from Derick until the People spread.  I think the families learned a lot from Spurgeon where TMZ basically announced the birth when ambulances were at the house.  Derick controlled the annoucement, the family blogs linked back to it, and it's been quiet ever since.  I bet though we'll get more details once People prints in a day or two and then TLC will release an online video of the family once Samuel is released from the NICU.  Then we'll get the full story in a few weeks during a VSE.

[Sew Sumi]

TLC has clipshows planned for the next two episodes (the last two). I wonder if one might have been a placeholder for the Jill birth VSE (depending upon if she delivered in time, of course)? Since this seems to be taking a while, I guess clip show next week, an birth VSE to end the season. I think Sammy's issues should be wrapped up by then, and the happy, shiny, sanitized People story released to the public.

[Obsidian]

12 hours ago, zoomama said:

question: someone said that their name pattern may be the 'el' at the end of the name. i was wondering if israel's middle name started with an 'i'? then it would be IID and SSD. randomly woke up and thought about this?

It would've been good if Izzy's middle name started with U, too. Heh heh.

 

I felt a bit sad when I heard Samuel had been born, just in case my worries about Jill and Derick's parenting are true (being emotionally unavailable or unconnected, thinking of their baby as manipulative, being too harshly strict... Not to mention whatever enriching activities/early education they're giving Izzy). 

These people have two blessings and I truly hope that they see their sons as blessings. Gifts. I hope Izzy and Sam are treasured, appreciated and nurtured. I hope that in 10 years we see two happy, well-adjusted, confident boys. I hope too that Jill and Derick find happiness so that they can fully enjoy these two people who, so far, love them unconditionally. I hope their love of these cute boys is unconditional too. I hope they turn their attention from what the citizens of Danger America believe to the contents of their sons' minds, that they put their efforts where they're needed. As a teacher and a favourite (and only ? ) aunt, I'm so aware of how anything you do and say can be repeated back, even years later. I hope Jill and Derick are making these memories positive for I and S. 

Now there is so much speculation about something going wrong, but I don't want Jill to have suffered any huge complications, even if it means she can't have more children. Sure, two is plenty to be grateful for, but forcing an inability to spit out babies on a woman is not a way to get her to look after the ones she has properly. I just hope that soon, if their parenting is as they seem to present it, she and Derick have a voluntary change of heart and put everything into raising and enjoying their (not too many) children. If their God really wanted them to have 65 children, he probably would have made them like having the children.