Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Christina87]

Your last line is so good!!! I think their best hope of being happy is to move back to Arkansas, maybe closer to Cathy than the TTH so Jill couldn't be too clingy, and the emotional available grandma could babysit. Derrick could suck it up and get a full-time job, and they could focus on raising two boys and giving them the best childhood possible! Cathy could advocate for them to get a real education, but even if they were homeschooled by Jill, she would only have two as opposed to twenty. 

I do wonder, if she is told she can't have any more children, what she will say on camera. If that were the case, it would actually make a compelling storyline to see how she coped, and maybe it could teach her brothers and sisters a thing or two about being sensitive. 

[RazzleberryPie]

1 hour ago, Magoo said:

re: the hospital story. Do hospitals allow network camera equipment and sound crews on their grounds? Seems like something they would want to avoid for patient privacy laws -- all the hospital patients, not just the speshul Duggar clan. 

I work in marketing/outreach for a medical center. We handle media requests. Depends on the situation, but any filming is very strictly monitored, requires permission and an escort, and is usually restricted to non-patient areas I.e. In front of the hospital, in a conference room, empty surgical room, chapel, etc. The risk of filming any patient, potential patient, or anything that could identify a patient would break HIPPAA and be asking for a lawsuit. We dont even allow med students to take pics of their assignment boards with room numbers only while rounding. 

There's really no way to guarantee only showing Jill and baby, without having some other patient identifier possible - including family members, names, room numbers, basically anything and everything can be frozen and zoomed now - - without a ton of very limited access, and it's not worth the risk. 

There have been recent instances, such as news broadcasting 'viewer reporter' photos from inside hospital, where you can zoom onto something as innocent as a tag on a tray, from a story about something totally unrelated, and the patient can be identified = lawsuit.

Medical malpractice insurance is also going to forbid most instances of filming during procedures. Our center doesn't even use patients in commercials - that old guy you see walking down the hall with rehab or the mom holding her new baby and smiling are most likely staff. I've personally been a patient, nurse, surgeon, housekeeper and valet in various ads or commercials. 

We've also tried to ban families from filming every single second a nurse or whomever comes into a room. It just makes everyone nervous when families are looking for a mess up and fake lawsuit. Several of our physicians refuse to allow their staff to do any procedure, even things like taking vitals or passing trays, if anyone is filming.

Even since Josie was born, filming or other media access in general has became me so much stricter everywhere, so I'd be suprised if there was much of anything allowed inside clinical areas with Jill. 

18 minutes ago, Christina87 said:

Your last line is so good!!! I think their best hope of being happy is to move back to Arkansas, maybe closer to Cathy than the TTH so Jill couldn't be too clingy, and the emotional available grandma could babysit. Derrick could suck it up and get a full-time job, and they could focus on raising two boys and giving them the best childhood possible! Cathy could advocate for them to get a real education, but even if they were homeschooled by Jill, she would only have two as opposed to twenty. 

I do wonder, if she is told she can't have any more children, what she will say on camera. If that were the case, it would actually make a compelling storyline to see how she coped, and maybe it could teach her brothers and sisters a thing or two about being sensitive. 

All of this makes way too much sense for them to actually do it. 

[ariel]

6 hours ago, saylubee said:

 

Doesn't mean Jill is now barren.

For her two boys, that might be a good thing.

[starlightlost]

I'm really worried about the whole zika thing. I keep thinking about it. Why did she go back to El Salvador pregnant? Ugh. 

Quote

Congenital Zika Syndrome

Congenital Zika syndrome is a pattern of birth defects found among fetuses and babies infected with Zika virus during pregnancy. Congenital Zika syndrome is described by the following five features:

Severe microcephaly where the skull has partially collapsed

Decreased brain tissue with a specific pattern of brain damage

Damage to the back of the eye

Joints with limited range of motion, such as clubfoot

Too much muscle tone restricting body movement soon after birth

Not all babies born with congenital Zika infection will have all of these problems. Some infants with congenital Zika virus infection who do not have microcephaly at birth may later experience slowed head growth and develop postnatal microcephaly. 

Recognizing that Zika is a cause of certain birth defects does not mean that every pregnant woman infected with Zika will have a baby with a birth defect. It means that infection with Zika during pregnancy increases the chances for these problems. Scientists continue to study how Zika virus affects mothers and their children to better understand the full range of potential health problems that Zika virus infection during pregnancy may cause.

https://www.cdc.gov/zika/healtheffects/birth_defects.html

Bolding mine. That's terrifying that he could look ok but problems could show up later. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by starlightlost

[Christina87]

It especially made me angry that they went back to the zika area when they didn't have to. I'm sure there are missionaries out there who wish they had the choice to leave a dangerous situation from time to time, but can't due to resources. These fools have:

• wealthy parents (Jill's)
• middle or upper middle class parents who can lavish them with attention (derrick's)
• a FREE mansion to live in with a pool during the summer
• A TV show, currently filming, where they have the opportunity to make even more money
• a wedding that they will have to fly back for in three months
• slaves (I mean, sisters) to clean their house
• money for the counseling which they most certainly need before a return to danger America 

why did it make any sense for them to go back there? Is their son's health really worth a measly three months in danger America? Where they aren't contributing much anyway? If Derrick had gotten some sort of temp job, and they had either suspended the DONATE button or made sure it was clear the money was still going to DA, nobody could have faulted them for staying here from February to July. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by Christina87

[Loves2Dance]

On 7/8/2017 at 8:57 PM, tabloidlover said:

What am I missing?  Where does it say he is being monitored more than a normal C-section baby?

I had giant babies; 10 lbs vaginally and 9 lbs c-section and that amount of monitors and it appears an IV of sort is no normal in either case. 

[Loves2Dance]

On 7/9/2017 at 11:33 AM, doodlebug said:

The American Congress of OB/GYN recommends that all women who have undergone one cesarean be encouraged to consider a trial of labor for possible VBAC as long as the reason why she needed the first cesarean is no longer present.  They also state that, if a woman who has had two cesareans wants to have a trial of labor, this can be safely considered.

In practice, some OB's are pro trial of labor and some aren't.  I think that now that she has had 2 cesareans, Jill would be hard pressed to find a regular OB/GYN or licensed midwife who would be in favor of a trial of labor with a future pregnancy.  The thing is, Jill apparently doesn't get prenatal care from a licensed practitioner, she sees an unqualified practitioner (maybe) and then stays home and mismanages her own care until she goes to the hospital when the situation deteriorates.  If she doesn't get regular prenatal care with someone who performs cesareans (or has a collaborating physician to do it), it really doesn't matter what anyone recommends.  She's made it pretty clear she doesn't put much stock in standard medical care and I don't think that is going to change.

I have a feeling it'll change when she has a near death experience. Much like Jessa with the loss of blood, when she talked about it before Henry's birth she has genuine fear and anxiety. Thus far, the medical teams have saved Jill from any long-term severe damage---the jury is still out on Sam but I imagine he'll be fine in the long run. When she has her own Jubilee moment, it may change...until then, probably not. 

[Loves2Dance]

On 7/9/2017 at 1:30 PM, questionfear said:

Not necessarily. My son was almost the exact same stats as Samuel (9lbs 10oz, 21.75in long) and he didn't have GD but he sure did look like a 3 month old when he was born. 

Of course we knew at the last ultrasound that he was trending huge so he was born via scheduled c section. And even though my wife tested negative for gestational diabetes I know they asked if we were ok with them sending the placenta to pathology to make sure they didn't miss it. (My wife replied, in her woozy state "Sure take the placenta. I wasn't going to eat it or anything." I then had to hurriedly explain to our horrified OB that making my wife eat the placenta was an ongoing joke.)

This was also my experience though I had her vaginally. My MFMS told me if they estimated over 10 lbs it was insta-c-section; he predicted 9.5-10 lbs so I was 'allowed' to labor. Honestly, I had no time for a c-section so it wasn't an option in my head and she was pushed out without complication but I was put through 4 separate GD tests to continue to rule it out even towards the end. No GD. But the next morning when my actual OB came to visit started with, "So I heard you gave birth to a toddler..." She was insta-3 month clothes and really didn't slow down in growth compared to her peers until she was about 2. Her sister was a lb lighter at birth, but 3 inches longer and is a 7 year old who could pass for 10 because she is so tall. Sometimes it's just genetic. My husband was 10 lbs 8 oz as a baby and I was 7 lbs 14 oz. 

[Loves2Dance]

15 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Regarding Jill, I think she's probably doing fine in the physical sense, but mentally I don't think she's doing well at all. She was already talking VBAC when the doctor was stitching her up from Izzy. She seemed disappointed to find out she was having a boy and likely just had another failed homebirth. She was also probably told at the hospital that pumping out fifteen Giant White Babies for Christ isn't going to happen. Since getting married, nothing in Jill's life has gone her way and I think she's going to become a seething powder keg of resentment.

I truly worry about Jill's mental health. She has been told all of her life that if she does ABC in that order, everything will go her way. This, on top of being the favored older daughter. Now each blow in her adult life is another hit after hit and frankly, I don't know how many hits Jill will be able to take before she can't fake it anymore. She does a half bootied attempt for the cameras now---and as someone who has been to that deep dark place after having a c/s when I really really didn't want too and I wasn't indoctrinated and she was my last child---I see right through her. Sadly, I don't think Jill had a husband with a clue and we know her own mother will be of no help. My hope is that Cathy intervenes for Jill's sake. Sam will be fine---it may take a few days, but he'll be fine and beyond his mother's resentment will end up like a Dullard, but Jill---Jill I am far, far more concerned about. 

[lianau]

9 hours ago, lascuba said:

I can't decide if I think something's wrong or if they're trolling us for the ratings. 

How about  both ? Obviously she didn't get the birth she wanted because she's Jill know-it-better-than-a-medical-professional Dillard and as a result her son  has some adjustment issues (my nephew was born in a an emergency c section after labour stalled  and his vital signs deteriorated  and he stayed in  the NICU because  he had trouble keeping his glucose levels where they should be ) . And now they are trying to figure out how to spin this into an acceptable birth drama  without getting all the "we told you so's"

 

9 hours ago, Marigold said:

I think it's the baby, not Jill.  C-sections are pretty routine. Not great and major surgery but routine. 

We DID SEE Samuel hooked up to monitors...so there is our first clue.  Maybe a cardiac issue was detected?

I don't think so , they would have the thoughts and prayers and DONATE!  button ready by now .

[lookeyloo]

5 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

I truly worry about Jill's mental health. She has been told all of her life that if she does ABC in that order, everything will go her way. This, on top of being the favored older daughter. Now each blow in her adult life is another hit after hit and frankly, I don't know how many hits Jill will be able to take before she can't fake it anymore. She does a half bootied attempt for the cameras now---and as someone who has been to that deep dark place after having a c/s when I really really didn't want too and I wasn't indoctrinated and she was my last child---I see right through her. Sadly, I don't think Jill had a husband with a clue and we know her own mother will be of no help. My hope is that Cathy intervenes for Jill's sake. Sam will be fine---it may take a few days, but he'll be fine and beyond his mother's resentment will end up like a Dullard, but Jill---Jill I am far, far more concerned about. 

I hope that Cathy would have some good sense but apparently she is now a Kool-aid drinker too so not too hopeful!!!!

[Marshmallow Mollie]

6 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

Sadly, I don't think Jill had a husband with a clue and we know her own mother will be of no help. 

Ugh, you are so right. Who is her support system?

<crickets>

[Marigold]

50 minutes ago, lianau said:

I don't think so , they would have the thoughts and prayers and DONATE!  button ready by now .

That's true too. 

Samuel would get a lot of sympathy if something was wrong.  More than Jill. 

Ha! They are probably fine and enjoying the concern! The Duggs are a tricky crew. 

[Jeeves]

7 hours ago, Christina87 said:

It especially made me angry that they went back to the zika area when they didn't have to. I'm sure there are missionaries out there who wish they had the choice to leave a dangerous situation from time to time, but can't due to resources. These fools have:

• wealthy parents (Jill's)
• middle or upper middle class parents who can lavish them with attention (derrick's)
• a FREE mansion to live in with a pool during the summer
• A TV show, currently filming, where they have the opportunity to make even more money
• a wedding that they will have to fly back for in three months
• slaves (I mean, sisters) to clean their house
• money for the counseling which they most certainly need before a return to danger America 

why did it make any sense for them to go back there? Is their son's health really worth a measly three months in danger America? Where they aren't contributing much anyway? If Derrick had gotten some sort of temp job, and they had either suspended the DONATE button or made sure it was clear the money was still going to DA, nobody could have faulted them for staying here from February to July. 

They have to be leaving for CA, or arriving back from CA, or in between trips to CA - for the show. If they aren't, then TLC would have to come up wth some role for them to play.

TLC already has the "couple lounging around Arkansas making babies" roles filled with Jessa and Ben, and even Ben comes up with some lame stuff to do (Flame, the football camp, his alleged seminary/college studies). The only thing the Dillards have going, since Derick quit his real job, are that they are "missionaries! in Danger!! America." 

Edited July 11, 2017 by Jeeves

[yogi2014L]

10 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

They have to be leaving for CA, or arriving back from CA, or in between trips to CA - for the show. If they aren't, then TLC would have to come up wth some role for them to play.

TLC already has the "couple lounging around Arkansas making babies" roles filled with Jessa and Ben, and even Ben comes up with some lame stuff to do (Flame, the football camp, his alleged seminary/college studies). The only thing the Dillards have going, since Derick quit his real job, are that they are "missionaries! in Danger!! America." 

I mean, heaven forbid they be missionaries in  Memphis, East St Louis, Chicago or any other impoverished areas that aren't filled with zika. If it spanish speaking Catholics they SPECIFICALLY need to convert Send them to El Paso, or any other border town.

That being said, I do hope Jilly and Sam are ok. You would think after the first time she would have learned, but I think she is a 'needs to learn the hard way' type.  Hopefully she learned her lesson this time ( if she did indeed try for an unassisted home vbac)

[tabloidlover]

10 minutes ago, Marigold said:

That's true too. 

Samuel would get a lot of sympathy if something was wrong.  More than Jill. 

Ha! They are probably fine and enjoying the concern! The Duggs are a tricky crew. 

Yes the Duggs are a tricky crew, no disagreement there.   However, what we are seeing now (radio silence) seems to indicate that this situation is different from anything else they have been through.   For once in his life, Dimbulb is at a loss and has no idea how to handle this and that is what is causing all of us to speculate.  

•  Jill has rough delivery -- been there, done that so no worries.
• Something wrong with Samuel -- been there (Josie), done that so no worries
• Want a People exclusive -- they could have interviewed or had JB just "relay" the Dillard's side of things
• TLC wants ratings -- could have done a little blurb during last night's show

The whole thing just doesn't feel right when we look at the Duggar's past strategies.  

[MrsMommy]

After watching Jill and Jessa burth their babies, I can't help but to feel extremely lucky "blessed" to have had my 4 vaginally without pain meds, and only 1-6 hours of labor. All four are very healthy with no issues at birth. Watching them makes me want to hung my littles a little tighter at night. My youngest in fact was born in an ambulance, her dad went to Greenville which was about an hour away and I went into labor at home with the other 3 kids outside playing. My neighbor (now husband) came over to watch them while the ambulance took me to the hospital. I think labor lasted about 45minutes to an hour. 

I do feel for Jill, if in fact she was told she can't have more, as I said I have 4 and thankful, I don't really want anymore, but i didn't realize my husband had a vasectomy until after we were married and I mourned. I still do sometimes.

[sheshark]

According to Free Jinger, Josh and Anna posted a congrats video.  Somewhere, no links available.  Testing the water, Nancy?  

[toodles]

11 hours ago, lascuba said:

If she had something that required a hysterectomy like a uterine rupture that couldn't be repaired or placenta accreta/increta , yes. 

I posted upthread about a friend of mine whose uterus did rupture after trying a vbac after a c-section.  She had a hysterectomy at 26 and she almost died. I won't rehash the story, but it can happen.  She was under a Dr's care throughout her pregnancy.  I'm not saying that's what happened to Jill, but it can happen.

Edited July 11, 2017 by toodles

[Annb67]

I think there were complications...again. Now they are waiting until everything is ok and then they will show up, act as if nothing happened and no one will ever know the real story. No way is this family going to admit they f***ed up again.

[sheshark]

MeChelle cannot hide her distaste for children:  ""Number Eight Grandbaby! Going on 200!!!"  Babies ony need apply.

[Annb67]

18 minutes ago, sheshark said:

MeChelle cannot hide her distaste for children:  ""Number Eight Grandbaby! Going on 200!!!"  Babies ony need apply.

For real? Did they actually say going on 200?

[Jynnan tonnix]

9 hours ago, Loves2Dance said:

This was also my experience though I had her vaginally. My MFMS told me if they estimated over 10 lbs it was insta-c-section; he predicted 9.5-10 lbs so I was 'allowed' to labor. Honestly, I had no time for a c-section so it wasn't an option in my head and she was pushed out without complication but I was put through 4 separate GD tests to continue to rule it out even towards the end. No GD. But the next morning when my actual OB came to visit started with, "So I heard you gave birth to a toddler..." She was insta-3 month clothes and really didn't slow down in growth compared to her peers until she was about 2. Her sister was a lb lighter at birth, but 3 inches longer and is a 7 year old who could pass for 10 because she is so tall. Sometimes it's just genetic. My husband was 10 lbs 8 oz as a baby and I was 7 lbs 14 oz. 

My mother-in-law was a very tiny baby. She and her mother were both very petite, small-boned women, each born at barely 4 lb full-term. I believe her father was also only about 5'4". She grew to be 5 foot tall, and married a man who was 6'4". My husband is the only one of her 7 children to be on the small side as a baby (and the shortest as an adult - he's 5'9", whereas all his siblings, including his sister, are over 5'10", many over 6'). His birth certificate says he was something around 7 lb at birth, though his mother swears that he was born over a month late. Who knows. I suspect someone's calculations were probably off, but I suppose anything is possible in the world. This tiny woman went on to have six more babies over 8 lb in the next eight years until her husband finally agreed to a vasectomy.

[laurakaye]

I find it incredibly sad that we have to speculate on the health of the new baby by looking at the Duggars social media accounts.  What I mean is - not every single family event has to be posted on social media, but we all know that the Duggars roll that way, which just grates on my last nerve.  It's how they stay relevant.  It smacks of their awful egos and hugely inflated self-importance.  It bothers me that the lack of social media speaks to the fact that something is wrong, either with Jill or Samuel.  And that's where the Duggars have led us....if everything they do gets splashed on social media, and they've just had a big family event take place with only one photo, then either something is wrong or they are trying to drum up interest.  I sincerely hope it's not the former, but if it's the latter I will be furious....because I am genuinely worried about this baby, and this had better not be a media ploy on their part.

Edited July 11, 2017 by laurakaye

[88Keys]

13 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

We know something went wrong but you know she will blame everyone but the person responsible herself. 

We don't know what happened here.  It's not fair to blame Jill for her baby being in the NICU.  As someone who had twins who were in the NICU for a month, I find that incredibly cruel.  If she was doing hardcore drugs while pregnant, then yeah.  But even with mothers who are taking care of themselves and getting lots of care, things can go wrong that are outside of their control.

Edited July 11, 2017 by 88Keys

[BitterApple]

The thing is though, Jill has a history of poor judgment. While everything said thus far is pure speculation, it's not outside the realm of possibility that her stubborness caused complications yet again. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by BitterApple

[Temperance]

44 minutes ago, 88Keys said:

We don't know what happened here.  It's not fair to blame Jill for her baby being in the NICU.  As someone who had twins who were in the NICU for a month, I find that incredibly cruel.  If she was doing hardcore drugs while pregnant, then yeah.  But even with mothers who are taking care of themselves and getting lots of care, things can go wrong that are outside of their control.

No one here is blaming all NICU moms. Someone I know is one, and I would be upset if that were the case. 

I'm not sure who is to blame here if anyone.  What people are questioning is if more could be done and whether Jill was really taking care of herself. 

Edited July 11, 2017 by Temperance

[88Keys]

Just now, Temperance said:

No one here is blaming all NICU moms. Someone I know is one, and I would be upset if that were the case. 

I'm not sure who is to blame here if anyone.  What people are questioning is if more could be done and whether Jill was really taking care of herself. 

I know no one is blaming all NICU moms.  But people ARE blaming Jill.  And that's a very cruel thing to do to any woman who has a baby in the NICU.  Especially when we have no real proof of what she did or didn't do while pregnant.  Having a baby in the NICU is a very difficult experience for any mom.  And now Jill has a bunch of people blaming her for her baby's condition, when A)they don't even know for sure what the baby's condition is, and B) they don't know what kind of prenatal care she received or didn't receive. 

I'll bow out now.  I know a lot of people disagree with me, and that's OK.  This clearly isn't the thread for me.  I hope Jill and Samuel are both OK and that this is just a bump in the road for them. 

[Sew Sumi]

1 hour ago, Annb67 said:

For real? Did they actually say going on 200?

They said it together. *puke*

[Absolom]

Josh and family:

Jim Bob and Michelle:

[Annb67]

20 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

They said it together. *puke*

So basically they couldn't give a rats ass about what is good for the parents just keep drilling out the babies. Assholes.

[Barb23]

It really hit me after watching last night's episode how stupid they were to be in DA while Jill was pregnant.  They were so clueless & vague explaining how they would get to any type of medical care in case of an emergency.  It seemed like to them they had it all planned out but it didn't come across that way to me.  Something that started out as minor spotting would have ended up being major hemorrhaging  by the time they reached medical care which would hopefully include a doctor.

 I know they have Jesus but I prefer a qualified doctor or other medical personnel when needed.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Kill me, I thought the Josh and Anna video was cute. I like that when little M boy interrupted, they let him speak. 

But the Jim Bob and Michelle video was horrid. Their awful cutesy line about 200 grandchildren once again brings the focus back on them.

[Genevrier]

Were those the only two videos? It's interesting that they're both from the TV-poison couples. Maybe they're just desperate to get on camera, for anything.

[Annb67]

8 minutes ago, Genevrier said:

Were those the only two videos? It's interesting that they're both from the TV-poison couples. Maybe they're just desperate to get on camera, for anything.

Are you kidding me? Josh would have pulled up his shirt and flashed his man boobs if he thought someone would PayPal him $30.

[jacksgirl]

11 minutes ago, Genevrier said:

Were those the only two videos? It's interesting that they're both from the TV-poison couples. Maybe they're just desperate to get on camera, for anything.

Hasn't thought of that,  but it's true. I'm thinking that if there was anything serious with Jill or Samuel,  those videos would not have been posted. 200 grandbabies? Jimboob and MEchelle are awful.

[louannems]

I HATE when Michelle and JB are all matchy!

[Jellybeans]

I thought Jinger and Jeremy posted a video first.

[JoanArc]

I'd like to rip off Josh's face. He DOES NOT get to have 'his' shwo back. Maybe he could make an aploogy video for his victims - or just throw it in at the end of this one. Whatever.

200 - no, never going to happen no matter how hard you try. I thought it was about letting 'God' determine your family size, anyway?

[laurakaye]

I'm not watching Josh's video, but please tell me that this not the Duggar's way of slowly introducing his pasty mug back onto our television screens?  As in, we'll let Joshie appear to offer congrats on this blessed event, in the hopes that people will forget what he did because everyone's too busy speculating on Jill and Samuel?

I don't think that he should be congratulating Jill and Derrick on video.  There's no reason he couldn't just do it privately (although I really don't think he should be anywhere near Jill in the first place).  And yet, there he is.  It's gross.  And while I'm no Jill fan, it's over-the-top disrepectful to the new mother.

[Loves2Dance]

7 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

I hope that Cathy would have some good sense but apparently she is now a Kool-aid drinker too so not too hopeful!!!!

Part of me wonders if Cathy is a 'kool-aid' drinker simply to stay close to Derick and Jill or if she's actually begun drinking too much herself. She still shows real emotions and her comments aren't always as Kool-Aid as they could be. I still have hope for her---she's old enough and experienced enough to look past some of it, but I don't think all of it. 

[ginger90]

Assuming Israel is staying at Cathy's

https://mobile.twitter.com/cldilla/status/884851396994052096?p=v

[Missy Vixen]

3 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I'm not watching Josh's video, but please tell me that this not the Duggar's way of slowly introducing his pasty mug back onto our television screens?  As in, we'll let Joshie appear to offer congrats on this blessed event, in the hopes that people will forget what he did because everyone's too busy speculating on Jill and Samuel?

 

Of course it is. They won't rest until he's back on the show; it'll increase ratings.

IMHO but I think Jilly Muffin probably had Zika while pregnant with Samuel and they won't admit for years what actually happened.

[Jellybeans]

I am not comfortable speculating what happened.  I suspected something did but hope everything's ok.  I really hope we end up being pissed off because they messed with us.  But I don't think they would do that...yet.

[OpieTaylor]

53 minutes ago, Jellybeans said:

I thought Jinger and Jeremy posted a video first.

I agree that the Babes made the first video.

Meanwhile, every time someone has a birthday, or gets married, or a baby is born - there's always talk of being excited to see "what God has planned for them." My thought is, what if they just have average lives, or what if something terrible happens - is that what God planned for them? I understand the idea is to give glory to God in everything, but most of us are just going to live pretty average lives with average marriages. So why is there always this underlying idea that God has big, amazing plans for Jackson, for instance, or newborn Samuel, or Joy and Austin? 

[queenanne]

11 minutes ago, OpieTaylor said:

I agree that the Babes made the first video.

Meanwhile, every time someone has a birthday, or gets married, or a baby is born - there's always talk of being excited to see "what God has planned for them." My thought is, what if they just have average lives, or what if something terrible happens - is that what God planned for them? I understand the idea is to give glory to God in everything, but most of us are just going to live pretty average lives with average marriages. So why is there always this underlying idea that God has big, amazing plans for Jackson, for instance, or newborn Samuel, or Joy and Austin? 

I don't think they do think amazing things are ahead of the children, as we would think of them.  I think they're trying hard to convince everyone that their boring pedestrian prosaic life aspects are, in fact, the things fraught with thrills and danger.

[HahYallDoin]

17 hours ago, Magoo said:

re: the hospital story. Do hospitals allow network camera equipment and sound crews on their grounds? Seems like something they would want to avoid for patient privacy laws -- all the hospital patients, not just the speshul Duggar clan. 

Here in my part of the world(LA...lower Alabama), at the hospital where I work, nope. No camera crew, media, amateur photographers allowed on the grounds. Even with the patients permission or even at their request. Too many "oops" moments can occur, i.e. accidentally catching passerby's on camera who don't want to be filmed, errant capture of a patient with their catheter bag doing their walk to the nurses station to get a cup of ice cream, an employee who doesn't want their ex to see where they are employed, etc. 

Camera crews can stake out all they want off campus, on the nearby corner of public property, and conduct interviews, etc. with an exterior shot of the facility in the background. In the early 90's, there was a train derailment in the area and national news media came a'calling. The hospital has a policy in place just for this type of emergent situation. The media in this type of situation is housed, with police officers present, in an auditorium, in a building at the far edge of the campus. That way "oops" moments are largely avoided. But to even allow this to occur, certain event criteria have to be met first. 

Of course, you can take photos in your room but even photos outside of the nursery window are monitored by security. 

[Jellybeans]

That's fine, all the hospital security.  I appreciate it.  

What I find interesting is they are not mentioning the health of Jill or Sam.  Just that they have a new baby.  

[BitterApple]

4 minutes ago, Jellybeans said:

That's fine, all the hospital security.  I appreciate it.  

What I find interesting is they are not mentioning the health of Jill or Sam.  Just that they have a new baby.  

I find it interesting as well. I know a lot of people think they're playing coy to generate interest, but if so, I don't think that's a smart approach. Most people who follow the family will automatically assume something bad happened, given that Jill has played fast and loose with her baby's safety before. 

[bigskygirl]

Josh makes my creep meter ring so loud the neighborhood dogs are barking their heads off. Why do JB and Michelle have to wear the same color? We are not in junior high anymore. The joking around about having 200 grandchildren. What about having healthy mothers and healthy babies you two nitwits. When God gave out brains the both of them thought trains and went back for seconds.