Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Madtown]

5 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Meh, so she can't spell. My college educated friend also spells it 'add', she's an awful speller and well aware of it. 

You should see the emails from the vice president of the company my husband works for..Holy bad spelling!

Jill spells the way she was taught, Izzy and Sam will probably be no better..

[Oldernowiser]

Remember how Derrick posted that Jill edits his law school assignments?

It isn’t that she’s a cheerful simpleton. That’s fine. What grinds are the continual bald-face attempts to pass her off as something much more.

[galaxychaser]

Don’t forget Jill has more college credits than all of us. 

I’m a bad speller too. I have 2 college degrees.

[Zella]

Having spent the better part of this decade as an English teacher, writing tutor, and editor, I am convinced that people are either good at spelling or they aren't. I know lots of bright, well-educated people who can't spell worth a crap and some people with rather basic educations who are instinctively quite good spellers.

Even though I am good at spelling, I always used to tell my students who couldn't spell what George S Patton used to say (and I wish I could find where I originally found this)--"Any dumb son of a bitch can spell the word the same way each time. It takes true creativity to do it differently each time." 😂😂😂😂😂

So, I don't inherently judge Jill for being a bad speller. That all being said, I totally agree with @Oldernowiser. I wish they would just own the fact that Jill can't spell well rather than defensively claiming that she edits Derick's assignments. 

But that's sort of the Duggars in a nutshell, isn't it? They're never going to admit to the truth if they think it makes them look bad. So, they just double down with obvious lies.

[PradaKitty]

Regarding the cheerful simpleton’s spelling, I have found that people who read for pleasure are usually very good spellers (probably pick it up subconsciously when they see the written word).  As we know, there wasn’t a lot of reading (for pleasure OR education!) at the ol’ Duggar homestead. 

[rue721]

I feel bad for Jill that she can’t spell things like “c’mon” or “ad.” It was her parents’ choice to not only deny her an education but to even deny her access to educational resources like the library. She’s reading and taking her kids to the library now, so maybe she’s trying to educate herself and raise her sons differently from how she was raised. I can only hope!

[Zella]

10 minutes ago, PradaKitty said:

Regarding the cheerful simpleton’s spelling, I have found that people who read for pleasure are usually very good spellers (probably pick it up subconsciously when they see the written word).  As we know, there wasn’t a lot of reading (for pleasure OR education!) at the ol’ Duggar homestead. 

Often but not always! I know some avid readers who are still terrible spellers, though to be fair, they also struggle with dyslexia. 

I don't think Jill is dyslexic, but I would also agree she is not an avid reader. It was certainly never modeled for her at home. 😞 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Zella

[laurakaye]

6 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't think Jill is dyslexic, but I would also agree she is not an avid reader. It was certainly never modeled for her at home. 😞 

Although if any of the Duggar kids did have a learning disability like dyslexia, would Michelle even have a clue?  And if she did have a clue, would she care? 

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Although if any of the Duggar kids did have a learning disability like dyslexia, would Michelle even have a clue?  And if she did have a clue, would she care? 

Agreed! 😞

[BradandJanet]

11 hours ago, Zahdii said:

True.  When I was in college one of my classmates who'd stopped her education after high school started college when her kids were in high school and she realized she'd be alone all day soon.  But her marriage took a hit when she'd get home after a day of moving around, learning things, talking to interesting people, etc; when she'd get home the most exciting thing her husband had to say was that he'd found a sale on hamburger.  They eventually divorced when she found a boyfriend among our classmates.  They were still married when I lost track of them.  They owned a nice home, had a pet pot bellied pig, and traveled often.  Her ex eventually recovered from the pain and now lives a quiet life doing his thing with his new wife.

When my daughter graduated high school, she took a couple of years before going to college.  She'd realized that the lifestyle she wanted to live couldn't be achieved with just a high school education.  She went to school full time and worked full time.  At first, her fiance thought about how much more money they'd have to spend, so he tried to start school, too.  He soon stopped attending because he said it was all too much, so he quit school and kept his regular entry level job.  But she was always at work or school, or studying, and he got bored and wandered off into another relationship.  She now admits that he did her a favor, but it really hurt at the time.

When my step mother started college back in the late 1950's, she met a guy who she knew was the right guy.  They got married over summer break and she had a baby during finals week the following year.  She stayed home with the baby and he started his third year of school.  After just a few weeks he asked her to ask her parents to babysit so she could go back to school.  He told her "You're so much more interesting when you get out of the house during the day."  She went back to school, which turned out to be the best thing because her husband died right after she graduated with her teaching degree and she was left with a baby and a toddler to support.

I hate to say this, but I see future difficulties between Derick and Jill that a common religion won't bridge. Derick is pursuing not just college but an advanced degree; Jill probably has less than a high school education and no experience navigating an academic environment. Whatever will they talk about? Lotion, beige food, and yays go just so far. She should get a GED if she doesn't already have one, and then take some community college courses as an investment in her and her family's future. Of course, if she won't send her kids to school, why would she go? Derick will need to step in at some point, and I'll think better of him if he does. 

Edited December 3, 2019 by BradandJanet
spelling matters

[galaxychaser]

11 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Although if any of the Duggar kids did have a learning disability like dyslexia, would Michelle even have a clue?  And if she did have a clue, would she care? 

Michelle doesn’t care about her blessings. Maybe Joshua and Josie. Even Josie isn’t getting evaluated and proper education.

[galaxychaser]

My guess is that Jill has an 8th grade education if that. I don’t think her GED counts for anything.

Dereck is a pompous donkey so I bet he loves being married to someone he considers less intelligent than him.

An educated career woman would never date Dereck.  

[ginger90]

[Sew Sumi]

WTF, Jill? 

[galaxygirl76]

1 hour ago, laurakaye said:

Although if any of the Duggar kids did have a learning disability like dyslexia, would Michelle even have a clue?  And if she did have a clue, would she care? 

I think she wouldn't catch it and if by some miracle she did, she wouldn't care. My daughter is suspected to have it but she has a special teacher who works every day with her outside of the regular classroom and she's making so much progress. Boob and Meeechelle are doing these kids no favors, the only thing they are good for is being one of the Nineteen. 

[Mindthinkr]

52 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

WTF, Jill? 

It took me a minute to decipher what she meant by what Sam was saying. Poor child. He does not look happy with that meal (?). No vegetables? I doubt he was asking for more...unless he feared starvation if he didn’t. 

[OpieTaylor]

12 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

It took me a minute to decipher what she meant by what Sam was saying. Poor child. He does not look happy with that meal (?). No vegetables? I doubt he was asking for more...unless he feared starvation if he didn’t. 

what's he saying? I can't figure it out!

[judyjudyjudy]

Just now, OpieTaylor said:

what's he saying? I can't figure it out!

More turkey bites please....I think?

[galaxychaser]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

WTF, Jill? 

What is going on?

[Oldernowiser]

Yikes. She can’t even spell fake toddler speak.

Sam wants more turkey, Jill. Quit screwing around with your phone and give it to him.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Oldernowiser

[ozziemom]

Just now, Oldernowiser said:

Yikes. She can’t even spell fake toddler speak.

Sam wants more turkey, Jill. Quit screwing around with your phone and give it to him

And do we really need five pictures of the same basic thing? I wonder what she does all day besides post on Instagram. Have we seen any evidence of Izzy and homeschooling lately? You know as soon as Derelict is done with his exams they will all be on Christmas break, lol.

[galaxychaser]

Izzy probably finished first grade already 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄. 

Sam really has the best side eye ever.

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

It took me a minute to decipher what she meant by what Sam was saying. Poor child. He does not look happy with that meal (?). No vegetables? I doubt he was asking for more...unless he feared starvation if he didn’t. 

He looks like Oliver:  Please sir, I want some more

1 hour ago, galaxychaser said:

Izzy probably finished first grade already 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄. 

Sam really has the best side eye ever.

Oh by now, he must be applying to college. 🤣

[JoanArc]

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My guess is that Jill has an 8th grade education if that. I don’t think her GED counts for anything.

When Jill got her GED it represented a 9th grade education It's since been made harder and more reflective of a full High School education.

[Sew Sumi]

Holiday decorating. Are you excited? 😂

[wilsie]

14 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Holiday decorating. Are you excited? 😂

It's 16 minutes long.  There are a lot of people on youtube that have more interesting posts.  This just is so boring.  Jill needs to edit.

Edited December 4, 2019 by wilsie

[crazy8s]

13 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Holiday decorating. Are you excited? 😂

I think they went and stole the nativity set from Jedi's car lot

[PradaKitty]

Well of course you need to replace the lights on your pre lit tree - especially if someone gave you a USED one!  I did that the past few years and finally bought a new pre lit tree this year. 
And you do NOT put the extra lights on the tree AFTER putting on the ornaments!! 
(morons!)

[Sew Sumi]

Did anyone watch the whole thing? I made it about 5 minutes when the boys were trying to chuck the ornaments. 

[BradandJanet]

4 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

WTF, Jill? 

Maybe Jill was thinking Oliver Twist. I'm sure she read it at the SOTDRT.

"He rose from the table; and advancing to the master, basin and spoon in hand, said: somewhat alarmed at his own temerity:

'Please, sir, I want some more.'"

[Absolom]

How many basic workbooks for Jill to consider the kid done with school?  Since she's never seen real education, I doubt she knows more than shoving poor Israel through the workbooks never mind comprehension of the material or whether he has the appropriate breadth and depth of material.

[ginger90]

8 minutes ago, Absolom said:

How many basic workbooks for Jill to consider the kid done with school?  Since she's never seen real education, I doubt she knows more than shoving poor Israel through the workbooks never mind comprehension of the material or whether he has the appropriate breadth and depth of material.

Considering in a video made Friday he didn’t recognize his name in print, numerous times.......

[Mindthinkr]

1 hour ago, BradandJanet said:

Maybe Jill was thinking Oliver Twist. I'm sure she read it at the SOTDRT.

"He rose from the table; and advancing to the master, basin and spoon in hand, said: somewhat alarmed at his own temerity:

'Please, sir, I want some more.'"

Obviously you have had some education. 

[lookeyloo]

Boy, to me from that video they are all about Sam.  Poor Izzy is just an afterthought.  At least they didn't film yelling at him.

[farmgal4]

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Holiday decorating. Are you excited? 😂

19 seconds in and Jill has already said, “Are you so excited?”, “Yay.” and “WhooHoo.”  I’m actually feeling sorry for Derick right now. I would lose my fucking mind if I had to listen to that everyday.  

[MsJamieDornan]

3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

When Jill got her GED it represented a 9th grade education It's since been made harder and more reflective of a full High School education.

There is a GED and a HSED...they all barely have a GED.

[ozziemom]

3 hours ago, wilsie said:

It's 16 minutes long.  There are a lot of people on youtube that have more interesting posts.  This just is so boring.  Jill needs to edit.

Most of the YouTubers that I watch always talk about editing which apparently takes quite a bit of time. But Jill doesn’t seem to have a clue. It’s like if she films it, we will enjoy it. 

[farmgal4]

24 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

Most of the YouTubers that I watch always talk about editing which apparently takes quite a bit of time. But Jill doesn’t seem to have a clue. It’s like if she films it, we will enjoy it. 

I forced myself to watch the first few minutes, and I didn’t enjoy one second of it.  I found it particularly sad that Israel didn’t even recognize his own name.  He’s what now, 4-years-old?  Shouldn’t he know his own name when he sees it?

[Sew Sumi]

He's supposedly completed kindergarten. Shouldn't he be able to write his own name?

[MsJamieDornan]

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He's supposedly completed kindergarten. Shouldn't he be able to write his own name?

Yes. Actually they can do that in 4K now.

[Love2dance]

I think Israel didn’t understand that their names were on the back of the ornaments. At least I hope that was the reason he didn’t recognize his name.

[lilwhitelion]

The following is one small example of the favoring of Sam over Israel when Derick was putting up the tree:

Derick: We've had this since we've been married, right?

Jill: Yeah.  Sam, are you excited?

Sam: Uh-huh.

Jill: Jay-Jay [not sure what nickname she was using for Israel here], are you excited?

Israel: Yeah.

Jill: Yes ma'am.

Israel: (Smaller voice) Yes ma'am.

If you're going to teach children to say Yes ma'am and Yes sir, you need to enforce it with all children of talking age.  And you don't get to use 'Yeah' when you immediately tell your son not to say the same thing.

Idiot.

[Faul McCartney]

7 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Considering in a video made Friday he didn’t recognize his name in print, numerous times.......

😬 poor kid. My almost three year old has recognized her name in print for MONTHS!

[Albanyguy]

I think that Derick and Jill dislike and resent Israel because in their minds, he's permanently linked to their days in Central America, a period of their lives that they'd both like to forget. Jill was miserably unhappy, lonely and frightened and, no matter how much he tried to spin things, Derick must be aware that his missionary efforts were a complete failure. Now that they've re-invented themselves as Future Lawyer and Happy Homemaker, Israel represents an unhappy past, while Sam represents a fresh start. Subconsciously, they may even blame Israel for their failure as missionaries: "If we hadn't been saddled with the baby, everything would have been different". I have a terrible feeling that they've already set Israel up for a lifetime as the family scapegoat.

[Madtown]

9 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Considering in a video made Friday he didn’t recognize his name in print, numerous times.......

This makes me sad. The last kid I watched, she could write her name before she was 4. Had to learn it for 4 year old preschool.

7 hours ago, lilwhitelion said:

The following is one small example of the favoring of Sam over Israel when Derick was putting up the tree:

Derick: We've had this since we've been married, right?

Jill: Yeah.  Sam, are you excited?

Sam: Uh-huh.

Jill: Jay-Jay [not sure what nickname she was using for Israel here], are you excited?

Israel: Yeah.

Jill: Yes ma'am.

Israel: (Smaller voice) Yes ma'am.

Ugh! That poor kid. Why do I think that he gets scolded if he doesn't say "yes ma'am, yes sir" when not on camera? I want to steal him and give him a fun loving life!

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

Subconsciously, they may even blame Israel for their failure as missionaries: "If we hadn't been saddled with the baby, everything would have been different". I have a terrible feeling that they've already set Israel up for a lifetime as the family scapegoat.

Then don't have unprotected lotion sex. I hate them...

[doodlebug]

2 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

I think that Derick and Jill dislike and resent Israel because in their minds, he's permanently linked to their days in Central America, a period of their lives that they'd both like to forget. Jill was miserably unhappy, lonely and frightened and, no matter how much he tried to spin things, Derick must be aware that his missionary efforts were a complete failure. Now that they've re-invented themselves as Future Lawyer and Happy Homemaker, Israel represents an unhappy past, while Sam represents a fresh start. Subconsciously, they may even blame Israel for their failure as missionaries: "If we hadn't been saddled with the baby, everything would have been different". I have a terrible feeling that they've already set Israel up for a lifetime as the family scapegoat.

I think that Jill, anyway, resents Israel and blames him for her disaster of a birth.  It was his 'fault' he was so big and that he was breech.  Had he been smaller and headfirst, Jill could've shown the world what an amazing birthing machine and midwife she is.  Instead, the story of her delivery made many question the competence of her attendants, the choice to try to deliver at home and the amount of time it took for her to go to a hospital where the situation was assessed almost immediately and the appropriate care given.

Jill seems to operate on a pretty childlike level, I can see her resenting her son because her birth experience wasn't what she wanted.  And I can see Derick being pissed that Israel cost them a bundle in hospital bills just because he was so big and so stubborn.  Neither one seems able to accept any personal responsibility for the choices they make.  It is all God's will or some evil person plotting against their blameless Christian selves.

[laurakaye]

If it's true that Jill and Dreck resent their firstborn son due to things that were obviously and completely out of his control, then that is truly heartbreaking.  Izzy seems like a sweet, mild-tempered kid who just wants to please his parents, but it seems like those two breeding morons are throwing roadblocks up to derail him at every turn.  I sincerely hope Izzy's self-esteem isn't permanently damaged and that he can grow up to see the worth within himself.  Hopefully someone in that dumb family can help him, although I don't know who that would be.

[ginger90]

Previous events may have something to do with the way it appears Israel is treated. Also, Israel can speak coherently, he can offer opinions, and question things. Imagine?

Edited December 4, 2019 by ginger90

[queenanne]

16 hours ago, judyjudyjudy said:

More turkey bites please....I think?

Agreed, but it would be more convincing if the progress of the plate contents were moving.  🤔

As for the spelling debate, one of the things I heard and always thought convincing, is that spelling is a visual art more than anything else; thus you needed to study spending your life looking at good spelling.  Looking at the torturously misspelled words of the "guess which word in this sentence is wrong and spell it correctly!" type of problems, is supposed to be deadly.  I've always thought it made a lot of sense, having seen contenders in spelling bees clearly trying to recreate words by staring off into the distance picturing it printed on thin air; writing the words out with their index fingers in the air, etc.

Forgot to mention, I think maybe this is why Derick and Jill aren't all that concerned that (if?) Izzy doesn't know how to spell his name, because they think he'll see it spelled out properly approximately eleventy billion times in the Bible before age 16.

Edited December 4, 2019 by queenanne

[libgirl2]

3 hours ago, Madtown said:

This makes me sad. The last kid I watched, she could write her name before she was 4. Had to learn it for 4 year old preschool.

My son could read his name by the time he was two. He was a very early reader though.