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Wait, she needed a friend to tell her taking kids outside to play is something she could do to tire the kids out? Seriously?

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If my parents supported the person who sexually molested me as a child AND also profited from a show that portrayed them as God fearing, loving, better than everyone else parents AND then shunned ME? 

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11 hours ago, Absolom said:

Oh goodness, Jill wore that sad matron of honor dress.  I guess we can say she's frugal rewearing it.  

It's nice when a state inducts so few new lawyers that they can make a production of it.

Per wiki, the 2020 population of Arkansas was only 3,013,756. How many lawyers should they be inducting?  

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46 minutes ago, Absolom said:

I know. Arkansas has a smaller population than the county I live in.  This county inducts more lawyers a year than the state of Arkansas.  I think it's nice that they have a number that allows them to do more pomp than the usual here.  

I thought you were being sarcastic. I apologize.

I am surprised that Derick was able to get a job (apparently) easily since all I have read in recent years is that too many people are studying law. I think that his accounting degree must has helped, plus, maybe, his age. Mature, but not too mature?

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2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Derick's becoming a licensed lawyer in Arkansa doesn't rule out his also becoming a licensed lawyer in Oklahoma. There's a reciprocity agreement between Arkansas and Oklahoma that would allow that. IOW his Arkansas law license would be required as the first step if in fact he is heading toward also getting admitted to practice in Oklahoma. I haven't looked up the requirements that apply so I'm not saying he's entitled to be licensed in OK at this point. We also don't know what's behind his changing his work address to the county courthouse in Stilwell, OK. 

Yeah I actually noticed the other day that the local attorney who does pro bono stuff for our library is licensed in both Arkansas and Oklahoma. We are closer to Missouri geographically than Oklahoma (and I see a lot of lawyers with Missouri and Arkansas licenses here too). I was curious about it but didn't dare ask. LOL I don't think he would mind because he's a pretty nice person, but I'd be embarrassed to admit my interest in the question was Duggar derived.

It never even occurred to me Derick would turn his eyes toward Oklahoma, but it makes sense, given they are close to the border and he himself lived in Oklahoma for years as a student. I wouldn't be surprised if Derick has a fondness for Oklahoma because he seemed to enjoy his time in college. 

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4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Does the UBE exam override the 3-5 years of practice that OK generally requires for reciprocity? 

I could be wrong, but that’s how I read it. Without the UBE one can request through motion. That’s when a history of practicing is applied.

I’m sure someone else can verify, or correct me. 😁

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I am a bit surprised that Duggarfam posted and instagram story congratulating Derick.  https://www.instagram.com/stories/duggarfam/2838102912692905407/

They did one for Jeremy's graduation too, right?  Given the statements from the girls' case were released recently it makes it more surprising unless they are trying to make themselves look better. 

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On 5/12/2022 at 7:51 PM, Tuxcat said:

Derrick is absolutely a younger JB. Everything is performative. Derrick cares for Jill of course - but JB cares for Michelle too - at least if you go by the image each chooses to present. And they do likely care for their spouses but there is a firmly entrenched patriarchal order here working behind the scenes. Examine each character by what they choose to present - not by what we think is the truth. Each performance is identical in terms of a crafted image.

I disagree in that Derrick actually has worked and is providing for his family.  He worked at Door Dash while going to law school and is actually in a position to make money and provide for his family.

Now I am not going to go so far as throw rose petals at him - he probably is still a douche nozzle but I also will judge him for what he is now and not what he was even 5 years ago. I think he and Jill are the closest to normal and he is not having to suck of JB to survive.  

I also think Jill getting therapy has helped her.  Again these are still odd ducks but JB is a vile POS who allows his family to be used for money and allowed his girls to be abused.  Derrick has not been anywhere close to that.

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15 hours ago, Absolom said:

Oh goodness, Jill wore that sad matron of honor dress.  I guess we can say she's frugal rewearing it.  

It's nice when a state inducts so few new lawyers that they can make a production of it.

My sister is an attorney, when she passed the Ohio Bar, there was a swearing in with the Chief Justice of the Ohio Supreme Court.  Several hundred people were being sworn and they were allowed to have guests present.  They each got to pose with the Justice and their certificate as he gave it to them,  So, even with a lot of new lawyers, some states make a production of it.

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3 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Jill's IG post hashtagged Derelict as a public service attorney. I wish she wasn't so vague. I want to know who he's helping.

I am retired from public service, working for state government. So when I hear that term especially attached to a profession (attorney) I think of government employee.  I know the term is broader;  providing a service in the public interest. 

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3 hours ago, Slakkie said:

I disagree in that Derrick actually has worked and is providing for his family.  He worked at Door Dash while going to law school and is actually in a position to make money and provide for his family.

Now I am not going to go so far as throw rose petals at him - he probably is still a douche nozzle but I also will judge him for what he is now and not what he was even 5 years ago. I think he and Jill are the closest to normal and he is not having to suck of JB to survive.  

I also think Jill getting therapy has helped her.  Again these are still odd ducks but JB is a vile POS who allows his family to be used for money and allowed his girls to be abused.  Derrick has not been anywhere close to that.

It's great that Derrick was able to go to law school. He had an accounting degree and decided not to use it and so he spent his wife's money to further his own education (not hers- but I digress). And yeah he also did some grub hub. He could have been working regularly for the last decade and didn't - despite having two young children. So be it.  I do hope he uses the law degree for more than a few years. He's proven to be a good student. I have not seen evidence of him being a good career man - yet. Does this make him different than JB?

I don't know. JB and Derrick both started off having a family and THEN providing. They each had a hodge podge of jobs, relied on "family and friends," and used their children to attract attention. It's still the same mindset/pattern - whether or not Derrick now has a law degree (and JB a real estate "empire"). The personas they choose to present to the world are identical.  The men are at the center of both equations and they are the ones making the decisions for the people around them. They are smarter than everyone else. And to quote the Burgess letter, the are "better." At least that is what they think.

I do see one good point of divergence perhaps in the use of birth control. Reportedly both couples used birth control but JB stopped because of the miscarriage. Had it not been for Jill's pregnancy/delivery complications and the infamous battle of the medical bill - would Jill have five or six by now? It seemed they were headed that way. But their path changed.

So yes, the path diverged - thank goodness. But JB and Derrick still have the same egotistical, bigoted, exclusionary and patriarchal mindset. The roots of these men are strikingly similar.

ETA- correct me if I am wrong but the court documents seemed to indicate that the "therapy" was not to process her past but it was more to process her current situation through couples counseling. IT all still seems like a power grab. Jill was taught to believe one way about her family growing up and now she's being taught to believe a different way. I see no evidence that Jill is coming to her own truth - separate from any man.

 

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3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Has school got out yet?

I noticed as Jill was panning around no one else had their phone out. I wonder if she notices things like that?

Well that's a good point I hadn't thought of. My local school district is going until the 31st as the result of makeup days for weather. Looks like Izzy's school's last day is the 26th. I suppose, though, if they wanted him to finish the school year he could hang at grandma's for another couple of weeks. 

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5 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Has school got out yet?

I noticed as Jill was panning around no one else had their phone out. I wonder if she notices things like that?

Last day of school is 5/26. Looks like I cross posted with @Zella! Also thought that Izzy might be staying with Cathy.

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1 hour ago, Zella said:

I don't know what to do with this information. LOL But the official FB page for the guy swearing them in (a state supreme court justice) is excited to swear in a relative on April 29 but also references being excited to welcome new attorneys yesterday. 

So one of the guys Derick has "liked" repeatedly on LinkedIn is Jack Thorp who is a district attorney District 27 which includes Stillwell. I'm sure this has already been uncovered by I haven't gone back to read previous pages.  Thorp is a U of Arkansas law school alum. My thought was that Thorpe got him a job as an ADA typer person.

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9 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

So one of the guys Derick has "liked" repeatedly on LinkedIn is Jack Thorp who is a district attorney District 27 which includes Stillwell. I'm sure this has already been uncovered by I haven't gone back to read previous pages.  Thorp is a U of Arkansas law school alum. My thought was that Thorpe got him a job as an ADA typer person.

That's quite likely. I was wondering if there was a U of A connection. I don't know about the law school, but when I was in the English department, they were trying to cultivate an Indigenous Studies program. There was one English professor who was from the Cherokee Nation, and he was pretty proactive and energetic about it. I had a couple of classmates who did a thesis or dissertation under him. I never took a class with him, but I did take one with his wife, and she was a really nice person who talked about him and his work a lot. In any event, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a broader initiative at the university. 

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10 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

That's pretty prestigious for someone who graduated with a B average. 

Valeria Luster was the previous ADA for Jack Thorpe in Stillwell. She left Feb 2021. She joined the staff in 2015 - the same year she graduated law school and then became full time in 2017.  Granted she probably had higher than a 3.2.

I'm not saying he is ready or even that is a title, but Derrick is probably in training under Thorp with hopes of rising through the ranks. 

But I am just pulling stuff out of my a$$ I truly have no idea! 😂

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I think his comparatively low GPA would probably put him out of the running for that position in a large city with more competitive applicants, but I don't think it would rule him out for a smaller town. Per its Wikipedia article, Stillwell apparently has a very high crime rate per capita. They may not be super picky on GPA at the courthouse if they need people and are having a hard time attracting applicants. My guess is my town's prosecutor wasn't wowing anyone in law school either. LOL (Maybe I'm being unfair to him, but I doubt our little town is attracting top talent either. I think the more talented attorneys who come back here do so due to family ties, not because of attractive job offers.)

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11 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

That's pretty prestigious for someone who graduated with a B average. 

IMO it's not particularly prestigious, IF in fact Derick is joining the District Attorney's Office for the 27th Prosecutorial District of Oklahoma, and will work in their Adair County Office at the courthouse in Stilwell.

If Derick isn't joining that office as an ADA, the next few paragraphs of this post are irrelevant as heck.  🤣

According to their website, which may not be kept updated, the Adair County DA's office has a Managing Assistant District Attorney and a Victim/Witness Coordinator, and I assume they also have one or two admin/clerical support staff as well. The guy who's the Managing ADA has been an Oklahoma lawyer for 24 years. 

The District Attorney is an elected official, and if it's like the DAs offices in my state, each Assistant DA is appointed by the DA. The current DA, as has been mentioned above, was educated in Arkansas. I found it interesting that his wife is a lawyer with the Oklahoma Attorney General's Office (the AG is a statewide elected official). 

This DA's district covers four counties. I haven't drilled down into the numbers, but I'd be surprised if these offices are lavishly funded. If Derick is going to work as an Assistant DA there, he'll get plenty of hands-on casework, no doubt much of it involving bad checks, misdemeanors, juvenile offenders, traffic law violations including DUIs, burglaries, thefts, and maybe even child support enforcement. It ain't CSI or Law & Order - but it's a decent job that takes care of business for the public, mostly dealing with the messes some people make that other people have to clean up. 

You can browse the Oklahoma District Attorneys Council website to get a feel for the system.  The "careers" page linked from the home page, has a list of active job listings. There aren't any for the 27th district. I looked at a few of the entry level ADA listings from other districts. The quoted salary ranges are generally $65K - $75K. Basically they just require a JD and active Oklahoma law license. At least one  job required residence in the county. I believe these ADAs are state employees which means they get benefits like PTO and health insurance. Again, this is not a state that AFAIK is lavish with its spending. This isn't Boston, DC, or NY level pay or benefits, lol. 

As to Derick, as of this morning his LInkedIn notes he's admitted to practice in Arkansas. It also shows that he's worked as an intern or extern with the county prosecutor's office in Ft. Smith (Jan - May 2020) and the circuit court in Bentonville (summer 2020). He worked for a Fayetteville law firm for the last four or five months of 2021. He's volunteered with the Benton County teen court and the Benton County Legal help desk. There are more such things if you want to go look him up.

Derick is facing a job market that's oversaturated with people holding JDs compared to the available jobs. The article I've linked is of course not specific to Arkansas but I believe it's applicable at least somewhat to the job market there. He was savvy to go to in-state law school, so he's been able to make new connections and build on the connections he has from growing up there. It also appears that he's been active in intern and extern work through, I assume, his law school. 

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11 hours ago, auntieminem said:

The Dillards were in Stilwell today at the Strawberry festival.  Jill posted pics on IG and did a story.  So maybe that is where they are moving.  https://www.instagram.com/p/CdjlWr9sJVF/

Strawberry Festival? Was Stilwell the setting of "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything Julie Newmar"? Because I am tickled by the idea that Derick will be living and/or working in a town featured in a movie about drag queens helping a small town kick their bigoted member to the curb. 

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My guess is he starting off as a public defender or an assistant district attorney (prosecuting attorney in my area). Anyone who works with THE prosecutor is called an assistant, wherever you’ve been there 5 years or 5 minutes.  Most newbies I work with (I’m in the court system) start off in one of these two roles. 
 

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If Derick is indeed in the public defender's office OR the prosector's office, he will start with little misdemeanor cases equal to jay walking. He will have to work his way up with actual court room experience then he can be promoted to felonies.  Perhaps he will be on the juvenile docket. This is how it went for my former husband. Being promoted to felonies was a bit deal for them.

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On 5/11/2022 at 3:09 PM, GeeGolly said:

I call it like I see it. To me Derick is the same asshole he was before JB stopped liking him. He is not a hero in my eyes. IMO, Jill went from a temperamental asshole father to a temperamental asshole husband.

 

He may very well be a miserable jerk.   That doesn't however mean that each and every scrap of info at all adjacent to him must be negative and picked apart to reinforce the fact he's an asshole.   After all, we don't know, he very well could be a conscientious recycler and might not kick the dog.    It won't wipe away the legitimate assholery, which will no doubt demonstrate itself without any help from anyone.

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