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Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!


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16 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

What I see with Jill is someone who lives life very concretely. She loves her children and is very much mimicking Michelle. 

Michelle didn't seem as off in the beginning because she was wrangling a dozen plus kids. And when she was 'keeping them in line' it made more sense because they were gathered for filming. But I'm guessing breast feeding, keeping the kids in line, home-schooling them, making posters/signs and spouting religious platitudes was pretty much her only interactions with her children.

Jill is doing the same. But Jill only has two kids and is not being filmed for a show. Jill also doesn't have a spontaneous bone in her body. Nor does she have any awareness of child development or social norms. Derick is no help because he's clueless, selfish and self-righteous.

I really think, other than the slap of reality in C.A., Jill is happy and feels successful as a mom and wife. 

From a clinical perspective Jill presents as a person with high functioning autism, historically called Asperger's. But I believe her presentation is due to a combination of her upbringing and who she just is.

That is exactly what I was thinking but didn't want to say it because that can be a hot topic and I am not a hot topic kinda person! Since you said it, I totally agree.  And if the topic gets hot, I'm blaming you!  😀😀  Derick most likely falls on the spectrum also. 

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4 minutes ago, Marigold said:

That is exactly what I was thinking but didn't want to say it because that can be a hot topic and I am not a hot topic kinda person! Since you said it, I totally agree.  And if the topic gets hot, I'm blaming you!  😀😀  Derick most likely falls on the spectrum also. 

I pulled this from the CDC website--

About 1 in 6 children in the United States had a developmental disability in 2006-2008, ranging from mild disabilities such as speech and language impairments to serious developmental disabilities, such as intellectual disabilities, cerebral palsy, and autism.

The Duggars have 19 kids.  The odds favor at least one other kid besides Josie have some kind of undiagnosed issue.  

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9 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I pulled this from the CDC website--

About 1 in 6 children in the United States had a developmental disability in 2006-2008, ranging from mild disabilities such as speech and language impairments to serious developmental disabilities, such as intellectual disabilities, cerebral palsy, and autism.

The Duggars have 19 kids.  The odds favor at least one other kid besides Josie have some kind of undiagnosed issue.  

Absolutely. 

I think there are few Duggars with some learning issues.  Specifically, I remember Michelle saying James was a handful and "has tons of energy" and it was pretty darn clear that he was a bit more than an "active boy".  

When Jill was young, it wasn't so noticeable. With the stress of being an adult, wife, mother etc., it is more pronounced and even the viewer can pick up something is just off with her. 

Derick?  he has a list of problems.  

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58 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Dullard is working as a law clerk at the attorney general's office in Arkansas.  

 I can see why Derreck would want to cozy up to power, but why would power want to cozy up to him?  There are more competent and anonymous people that could be working this job.  His only claim to fame is being mean the trans people, which I guess is enough of a resume builder for this bunch. 

 His poor classmates. 

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2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I can see why Derreck would want to cozy up to power, but why would power want to cozy up to him?  There are more competent and anonymous people that could be working this job.  His only claim to fame is being mean the trans people, which I guess is enough of a resume builder for this bunch. 

 His poor classmates. 

I believe that Derick and the attorney general of Arkansas share the same values.  The current attorney general is a woman which would explain his praising of working women the other day.  

1 minute ago, lookeyloo said:

How does he have time to be a law clerk while in law school?  Is he so brilliant that just class time alone is enough for him and he can do research in a jiffy?

He is not currently taking classes over the summer.  Most law students are doing something similar over their summer break.

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7 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Oh, I thought this was a recent thing and school was about to start for him.

I think he is now getting the news out about what he was doing over the summer now that his clerkship is winding down.  I actually don't blame him for not saying anything until now.  He does know that he opens his employer up to harrassment if he would have said anything earlier on Twitter.   

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40 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I believe that Derick and the attorney general of Arkansas share the same values.  The current attorney general is a woman which would explain his praising of working women the other day.  

Of course.....sigh....

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On 8/7/2019 at 11:40 AM, P2C2E said:

I am not "technically allergic" to Red 40 food dye because I don't have a histamine reaction. Medically, it would be considered an intolerance. But having even the slightest bit wreaks havoc in my digestive system as my body tries to get rid of it asap. I use allergy at restaurants because intolerance usually doesn't mean anything to them. If it's something I don't like, I just ask for it removed. 

I love tuna but my partner can't stand the smell so I rarely eat it. I can't fathom trying Jill's recipe though, blech. I'll stick to mayo, thanks! 

FYI - you are technically and actually allergic.  It doesn’t have to be a respiratory reaction to be allergic.   I can breathe just fine exposed to Sulfa. The enormous things that appear on my entire body that make hives look good tell me and my doctor that I am allergic. Also, your reaction to the substance can change.  The doctor told me that just because I could breathe ok this time didn’t mean I would breathe ok the next time. 

Im glad that Derick did law clerk for an attorney general. Although all he probably did was shuffle papers, let’s hope he actually learned a little empathy. 

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27 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Im glad that Derick did law clerk for an attorney general. Although all he probably did was shuffle papers, let’s hope he actually learned a little empathy. 

The state AG's office where he clerked, essentially represents state government agencies. Generally it's civil, not criminal, matters. The Arkansas AG is an elected position and the current incumbent is, from what I can tell, fairly well aligned with the Duggar/Dillard political leanings. I doubt Derick encountered anything there that changed his attitudes. And I agree, he probably researched some legal issues and drafted memos with the results of his research.

State AG offices in the midwest and west tend not to be lavishly funded, and I'd be surprised if Arkansas was an exception. The lawyers in that office probably carry heavy workloads, and if they're smart they had identified some routine tasks that they could delegate to a summer clerk like Derick. Unless somebody in the office made an effort to arrange any special treats/meetings for the summer clerk(s), it was probably just a lot of scut work. Necessary, but not glamorous or "special" or "meaningful." 

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I believe that Derick and the attorney general of Arkansas share the same values.  The current attorney general is a woman which would explain his praising of working women the other day. 

I thought manley man Derwood would never lower himself to work for a woman? He might have to actually, you know, take orders from her!

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1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I believe that Derick and the attorney general of Arkansas share the same values.  The current attorney general is a woman which would explain his praising of working women the other day.  

He is not currently taking classes over the summer.  Most law students are doing something similar over their summer break.

I also think the families coziness with the Huckabee's helps give them an 'in'.  I have serious doubts that it was Dickweed's intellect/passion/outstanding contributions that got him this plum position.

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20 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I also think the families coziness with the Huckabee's helps give them an 'in'.  I have serious doubts that it was Dickweed's intellect/passion/outstanding contributions that got him this plum position.

I am curious to know how Derick actually got this position.  He is not the only conservative Christian currently attending law school in Arkansas or from Arkansas.  While I don't think his more liberal classmates were applying for this particular clerkship, he still would have faced some competition.  Even if the attorney general shares the same beliefs as Derick, I could see some trepidation given his notoriety.  Derick is not a liability because of his beliefs, he is a liability because he expresses his beliefs too openly.  He was able to keep a low profile on Twitter this summer. was that a requirement of his clerkship?  Was this requirement only for him or for all the summer interns?

Is Derick trading on his wife's family, or did he actually make the right connections with his Cross Church internship last year?  

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3 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

How does he have time to be a law clerk while in law school?  Is he so brilliant that just class time alone is enough for him and he can do research in a jiffy?

He probably just added it as things are winding down so that people wouldn't harass him. Dude probably would have been getting porn and the like emailed to him. 

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1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Agreed. This is likely his last week on the job. Second to last week at most. I imagine he's back to school the week of the 19th.

First day of classes is August 26th.

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Trolls know trolls, so it was probably a preemptive move on his part to keep his little job secret.

But you know it KILLED Jill to not be able to brag on social media about her besthubbyevah's impressive job.  Almost as impressive as his Pistol Pete gig.    

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11 hours ago, Jeeves said:

The state AG's office where he clerked, essentially represents state government agencies. Generally it's civil, not criminal, matters. The Arkansas AG is an elected position and the current incumbent is, from what I can tell, fairly well aligned with the Duggar/Dillard political leanings. I doubt Derick encountered anything there that changed his attitudes. And I agree, he probably researched some legal issues and drafted memos with the results of his research.

State AG offices in the midwest and west tend not to be lavishly funded, and I'd be surprised if Arkansas was an exception. The lawyers in that office probably carry heavy workloads, and if they're smart they had identified some routine tasks that they could delegate to a summer clerk like Derick. Unless somebody in the office made an effort to arrange any special treats/meetings for the summer clerk(s), it was probably just a lot of scut work. Necessary, but not glamorous or "special" or "meaningful." 

This was very informative--thank you! Am I correct in assuming that the fact he only has a year of law school behind him, as opposed to two, another reason he'd be lower down the totem pole as a summer intern? 

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13 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

FYI - you are technically and actually allergic.  It doesn’t have to be a respiratory reaction to be allergic.   I can breathe just fine exposed to Sulfa. The enormous things that appear on my entire body that make hives look good tell me and my doctor that I am allergic. Also, your reaction to the substance can change.  The doctor told me that just because I could breathe ok this time didn’t mean I would breathe ok the next time. 

Im glad that Derick did law clerk for an attorney general. Although all he probably did was shuffle papers, let’s hope he actually learned a little empathy. 

Not exactly. A true allergy involves a histamine reaction, as the OP stated. Hives are a symptom of a histamine reaction. Other symptoms include itchy or watery eyes, sneezing, or a stuffy/runny nose. Not every histamine reaction makes it difficult or impossible to breathe. GI effects can be signs of intolerance, but they aren’t true allergies. 

I don’t think Derick is likely to have learned a lot of empathy at an attorney general’s office. They are largely political offices and I imagine the one in Arkansas is more devoted to oppressing people than helping them. 

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7 hours ago, Zella said:

This was very informative--thank you! Am I correct in assuming that the fact he only has a year of law school behind him, as opposed to two, another reason he'd be lower down the totem pole as a summer intern? 

I haven't really looked into the Arkansas AG's office particularly so I don't know what kind of summer intern/law clerk program they have. It could be large and well-organized, or kind of an afterthought that nobody in the office spends much effort on that doesn't involve many positions. I think summer intern or law clerk in an AG's office isn't a big prestige position to the extent that it matters whether you were a 1L or 2L. Although it's a good thing to have on a resume, and I'm sure there's a lot of interest in any positions like that among the law student body. 

6 hours ago, Spencer Hastings said:

Even as a glorified intern, Derick would’ve been a fool to reveal where he was working. It’ll look good on his resume, he definitely needs to pad that sucker. 

Yep. Derick was wise not to post info about his jobs on SM. According to his LinkedIn profile, which IMO is the appropriate place to mention them, he did two brief successive summer law clerk jobs. The first was in the Federal Public Defender's Office, and the AG's office was the second. 

I'm glad I retired from my full time professional practice just a step ahead of the arrival of social media. I've dodged the issues that SM presents in today's working and professional world. Five years later in the cold light of the workday, the IG photos of drunk and half-naked scrums of college student partiers, must be un-amusing to those culling applicant resumes in a law firm. Hard-core political rants on SM, or SM wars of words over anything including religion, politics, or romance, will also be problematic. And you KNOW they check social media. Everybody checks social media. I checked SM when retaining a lawyer to write my will.

Personally, I'd put incessant duck-lip selfie posts somewhere on the spectrum of undesirability, so it's a good thing that I'm not in charge of hiring at any firms or companies. 😋 (BTW, yesterday I finished totally scrubbing my own Twitter feed. I'd quit using it much, and the world can live without the last five years' worth of my likes, comments, and retweets. I'm not closing the account because I find it very helpful for local breaking news, traffic conditions, etc.)

Maybe Derick's realized that his career path is not going to be as the next male version of Ann Coulter, so there's no margin in starting religious/political/personal flame wars on social media in which he can showcase his cutting wit and marvelous way with words. Instead, he seems to be knuckling down at being a law student and has gotten the "STFU" memo about professional development and social media use. 🤣

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19 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Instead, he seems to be knuckling down at being a law student and has gotten the "STFU" memo about professional development and social media use.

I would imagine that memo was highly promoted in his classes. Most of the professors in my college warn students about what they are posting on social media.

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Hasn't he only had 1 paying job, the aborted Walmart gig?  Which he quickly ditched to take his stage-5 clinger wife & small child to Danger America, to hand out Jesus candy to natives while fundie suckers bankrolled him? 

Or has he contributed more to the  American workforce in his 30 years than ONE job?  

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1 hour ago, Nysha said:

I would imagine that memo was highly promoted in his classes. Most of the professors in my college warn students about what they are posting on social media.

Good to know. I'm a *long* time out of college, but I assumed that students are being schooled on these issues now. Nice to have it confirmed.

I know my post just above, went all Captain Obvious about SM, but I decided to just post it anyway. It's so interesting to see how SM has become embedded in our lives over the last couple of decades. I'm in my early 70's, but have always been an early adopter of technology and the wicked innernetz. It surprises me how out of touch many of my contemporaries are about social media. I suppose it really is a generational thing. I think older people with kids and grandkids are more likely to be up to speed (or almost up to speed, lol) about SM and tech, due to the exposure. And, due to realizing that their grandkids are much more likely to stay in touch by text or Skype than notes or phone calls. 

It's also been interesting to see the evolution of the various Duggars and adjacents on social media. Derick really thrashed around being high and mighty and knowitall, picking a fight with TLC and losing large. And, I suspect, royally p*ssing off his father-in-law. If nothing else, I think law school is giving Derick a healthy dose of reality outside the fundie echo chamber he dived into when he married into Duggarworld. I'm sure his classmates include plenty of conservative evangelicals, but it still has to be a more diverse assortment than the heavily fundie gang he was hanging out with since his return from Nepal. (ETA: Cross Church isn't really fundie, to be fair. I think what I'm going for is that law school is really a secular activity, vs. the religious-oriented stuff he's been doing since quitting Walmart.)

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7 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

Not exactly. A true allergy involves a histamine reaction, as the OP stated. Hives are a symptom of a histamine reaction. Other symptoms include itchy or watery eyes, sneezing, or a stuffy/runny nose. Not every histamine reaction makes it difficult or impossible to breathe. GI effects can be signs of intolerance, but they aren’t true allergies. 

I don’t think Derick is likely to have learned a lot of empathy at an attorney general’s office. They are largely political offices and I imagine the one in Arkansas is more devoted to oppressing people than helping them. 

At the risk of dragging this off topic further, one PSA: vomiting is a histamine reaction. From Kids with Food Allergies (https://www.kidswithfoodallergies.org/page/what-is-anaphylaxis.aspx):

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Skin rashes and itching and hives

Swelling of the lips, tongue or throat

Shortness of breath, trouble breathing, wheezing (whistling sound during breathing)

Dizziness and/or fainting

Stomach pain, vomiting or diarrhea

Feeling like something awful is about to happen

If you have any one of these after eating a food, it's a reaction, any two is considered anaphylaxis and you should absolutely go to an ER. Also note that anaphylactic reactions can be biphasic, meaning you react, recover, then react again within a short period (IIRC it's 24-48 hours). 

I know this is drifting far off topic BUT since there's a lot of allergy chatter it's important that people understand that deadly reactions aren't always hives and trouble breathing-you could be puking and fainting, and if you do that after exposure to an allergen, GO TO AN ER even if you've used benadryl or epinephrine. 

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2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

It's so interesting to see how SM has become embedded in our lives over the last couple of decades. I'm in my early 70's, but have always been an early adopter of technology and the wicked innernetz. It surprises me how out of touch many of my contemporaries are about social media. I suppose it really is a generational thing. I think older people with kids and grandkids are more likely to be up to speed (or almost up to speed, lol) about SM and tech, due to the exposure. And, due to realizing that their grandkids are much more likely to stay in touch by text or Skype than notes or phone calls. 

My adult son told one of his internet friends he met on a game site about me being on this blog & how many cyber friends I have.  She was very impressed & said she wished her mother would do something like that.  I doubt he mentioned the Duggars are the core of it all, I'm sure he wouldn't remember their name.

BTW, I know nothing how law school works.  Does Dillweed have choose the type of law he wants to practice before graduating or is it a free for all?  Do you have to do the court trial thing if you already know you want to be an attorney who handles wills or business matters, like a corporate attorney?  Is it like medical school where one does rotations thru different types of law? 

I can't picture Dillweed being a trial attorney ala Perry Mason but could see him working for a large accounting firm where his accounting knowledge would be helpful. 

Just thought of something- If Dillweed becomes a trial lawyer, would Jill spend her days sitting in the gallery taking pictures of him on the sly. (Just kidding about the pictures as I'm sure picture taking isn't allowed.)  But I  wouldn't put it past her.

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@Barb23, I'm not familiar with Derick's law school's curriculum. But generally you don't "major" in a specific area of law in law school; your degree is simply a J.D. (Juris Doctor) and "law" is the subject of your degree. That said, there are elective courses especially in years 2 and 3, and students will take electives, and any offered activities like practice clinics, in subjects they are interested in. 

The state bar exam tests on subjects across the whole field of law, so you can't ignore real property or contract law, even if all you want to do when you get licensed, is litigate personal injury cases. That said, once you pass the bar and get your license, you can start out as a litigator and if that doesn't work for you, you can move into some other type of practice. Happens a lot. Some people figure out from the start the type of practice they want, and it works out for them. Others think they'll love doing, for example, estate planning - but after they do it for awhile realize it's not for them. 

I don't think Derick has divulged any specific career goals on social media so it's anyone's guess what he'll do with his law degree assuming he earns it, or what type of law practice he'll get into assuming he takes and passes the bar exam.

The idea of Jill following him into the courtroom is funny. But, what most people don't realize is that for every hour spent in the courtroom, a trial lawyer first puts in many hours of case preparation. Stuff ranging from interesting research to hours of nailing down mind-numbing detail to battling last-minute chaos, discovery including long depositions - and so on. Stuff you can't do with your Stage IV clinger spouse sitting in your lap. Stuff that has to get done, even if it's already 6:15 pm and everybody else in your office has gone home and you'd like to go home too. 

Lawyering - like a lot of adulting - can be hard.

@QuinnInND - I agree, Derick's track record on "working" isn't great. But what Derick held this summer are short-term internship type positions that the agency or law firm isn't going to load up with any mission-critical responsibilities. Those positions IMO are as much about giving still wet-behind-the-ears law students some exposure to the real world of the law, as they are about the agency expecting to get a lot of useful work done.

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4 hours ago, QuinnInND said:

I'm surprised he got a job clerking anywhere.

 

Different places look for summer clerks and I would guess he would fit into a place like the AG's office more than a law firm. "Look at me, I'm working for the State."  

I'm a paralegal but a few years ago I had to testify at a hearing (in our field we have hearings in front of judges, not trials in front of juries).  I met the attorney from our firm there and when I went through security they wanted to take my phone. They agreed to give it to the attorney and then when we got to the back she gave it back to me, but I had to keep it in my purse. When the hearing started the judge asked why I was there and the attorney explained I was there to testify, otherwise, they would not have let me stay. I cannot imagine Jill attending a hearing or trial and knowing how to act like a grown-up rather than "isn't this fun?!?!?!"  First and (hopefully) last time I had to attend a hearing and testify and I don't want to go again.

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Thanks so much @Jeeves for answering my questions.  I kept meaning to ask since Derick started.

I have another question for you or any other legal world posters out there:  How much does it cost to take the bar?  My son is halfway thru the 7 tests it takes to become a licensed architect.  They aren't cheap - each of his tests costs $200-300.  Plus if he fails & has to take the test again, it costs the same amount again.  Like the bar (&tests in other fields) it involves hours of studying, probably more than when he was actually in school. Add on working a 50 hour week (at least), a 1-1/2 hour round trip work commute & he doesn't have much time for anything else like a social life or girlfriend.  I'm sure it will be similar for Derick.  How will Jill ever survive?  The big part of it is I don't think she realizes what is involved since JB never held a 9-5 out of the home office type of job.  That's all she knows besides his short stint at Wallyworld.  God help her when the bar exam and a real legal job comes around.

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Just buy a TV, you stupid self-righteous posers. 

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

There's a freaking TV in the house. There wasn't anything kid friendly on TV? Oh wait, they don't watch TV.

Holy crap, I  did not even notice the TV stupidly positioned in front of a window in plain view in the second shot. Morons.

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Jill is like stunted at age 12, which was around the time the molestations occurred, and Derick is stunted at around age 18 or 19 which is when his father passed away. 

ETA: I'm sorry, is there a reason why they couldn't watch Winnie the Pooh on that big TV? At least they're watching secular stuff.

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17 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Is Derrick doing all of this online? Does he actually go to a campus?

He attends law school on campus. 

@Barb23, unlike the architecture exam, the bar exam is a single two-day session. If you fail it you can take it again. It's IMO much less harrowing and drawn out than those multi-part exams (I think CPAs have them too). I don't know what the fee is to take the bar exam in Arkansas. I suspect it's not as costly as the full set of architect or CPA licensing exams. Sending good wishes to your son, who does have his plate full right now!

But, yes, studying for the bar is a big deal, and Derick would do that after he gets his law degree. Many (most?) bar applicants take a bar review course in the two or three months immediately preceding the bar exam. Back in my day (when dirt was young and dinosaurs roamed the earth), the bar review class sessions were four evenings a week, covering the range of legal subjects and with periodic practice tests. If you're holding a full time job and studying for the bar you won't have a lot of time for your personal life. If you're not working at all or only working part time, you should be able to have a fairly normal life even while studying for the bar exam. 

I have no clue how one would manage studying for the bar exam while married to a Stage IV clinger. Just saying.

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14 minutes ago, luvbadtv said:

Or just hook the computer up to the TV and watch on a big screen instead of squeezing 4 people around a laptop.

Really! Especially since there's no way everyone (or more than one person) can really sit right in front of it and not get distortions in colors/contrast.

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That is one of the strangest hills to die on--we don't watch TV but watch the same shit on a laptop.  Just give it up, not watching on an actual television is not something that makes you better than the heathen unsaved masses.  The larger screen is also better for the boys' eyes.  But, their "principles" are more important than their boys' health.

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