Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Tdoc72]

16 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Bowman Fedosky grew up with Josh and his family. He is verified AMA by mods on reddit, answering questions from posted comments. He said that when he was between the age of 9-12 and Josh was between 15-16, Josh gave his family some used computers, and thought that he had deleted the porn from those computers. But he never, and that was the first time Bowman ever saw porn. His parents knew about it and still kept their friendly relationship with Josh and his parents. They just bury their heads in the sand I guess, what a way to live a life.

This is the son of the doctor that was addicted to drugs and lost his license and the fake midwife lady Theresa?  

[iwantcookies]

5 minutes ago, LilJen said:

Seriously? For real? Better to have a husband who is a criminal scumbag than to be unmarried? 🙄

In most cultures yes.

[mittsigirl]

2 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

This is the son of the doctor that was addicted to drugs and lost his license and the fake midwife lady Theresa?  

I didn't know about the Fedosky family, I will have to read a couple pages to see if that's who they are. I don't want to make any mistakes!

5 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

This is the son of the doctor that was addicted to drugs and lost his license and the fake midwife lady Theresa?  

Okay, just read it, yes, you are right. He can't doctor any children under the age of 7, which doesn't make any sense because his wife does home births and he helps her with them sometimes and babies are certainly not over the age of 7!

[emmawoodhouse]

How many fundie Fedoskys are there in NWA? I'm sure it's the same family. Building a mansion tracks with that delusional couple.

[mittsigirl]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

How many fundie Fedoskys are there in NWA? I'm sure it's the same family. Building a mansion tracks with that delusional couple.

Yes, it's the same family. Lol your comment-delusional couple, seem to attract others of the same delusion!

[iwantcookies]

16 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

This is the son of the doctor that was addicted to drugs and lost his license and the fake midwife lady Theresa?  

According to reddit yes that’s his parents !

I just joined reddit

[mittsigirl]

When Dr. Fedosky lost his license, he had to go to rehab because of his drug problem, and sadly, Mrs. Fedosky dropped her kids off at the Duggars while she joined her husband wherever he had gone to rehab at. The Fedosky kids were surprised and Bowman didn't like it at all. I guess that's what fundie wives do, abandon their load of kids to another fundie and go where their husbands are. Not something that I would do, I would always pick my kids first, husband comes after them. Always.

[sue450]

6 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

According to reddit yes that’s his parents !

I just joined reddit

the duggarsnark postesr sent money to a local group  there in arkansas where the trial was held that helps kids.....many donated  money ...in the amount of $19 dollars  and some  went to the amazon site and  clicked and paid for items the place needed...they were really grateful and duggarsnark made sure to tell them this was NOT A FAN GROUP ..and explained about josh and the duggar family 

Edited December 18, 2021 by sue450

[mittsigirl]

7 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

According to reddit yes that’s his parents !

I just joined reddit

Okay IWANTCOOKIES, I have to take my meds now, so can't be posting anymore, handing the gossip baton over to you for the night, you will do much better than me!

Can't post but can still read!

Edited December 18, 2021 by mittsigirl
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[mittsigirl]

42 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Bowman Fedosky grew up with Josh and his family. He is verified AMA by mods on reddit, answering questions from posted comments. He said that when he was between the age of 9-12 and Josh was between 15-16, Josh gave his family some used computers, and thought that he had deleted the porn from those computers. But he never, and that was the first time Bowman ever saw porn. His parents knew about it and still kept their friendly relationship with Josh and his parents. They just bury their heads in the sand I guess, what a way to live a life.

Apparently, the porn he saw was regular adult porn, but there were thousands of files that had to be swiped clean before they could use them.

[merylinkid]

2 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

That would be highly unlikely.  CPS is going to realize that Anna has almost no options to support herself and 7 little kids for the next few years without her FIL's assistance.  JB is the lesser of several evils in this case.  There are too many kids out there who have no one they can count on to provide a roof over their heads and food on the table for CPS to deny the M's access to support.

BUT, this family is now very much on CPS' radar.   there will be no more declining to interview kids.   CPS is overworked and underpaid so don't expect a lot of monitoring BUT this family is not going to be able to cover up much with regards to the kids anymore.   

[BitterApple]

4 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Mrs. Fedosky dropped her kids off at the Duggars while she joined her husband wherever he had gone to rehab at. I guess that's what fundie wives do, abandon their load of kids to another fundie and go where their husbands are. Not something that I would do, I would always pick my kids first, husband comes after them. Always.

I agree, but I'll concede a wife supporting her husband through drug rehab is a lot more palatable than one standing by a guy charged with CSAM. All these people are crooked as hell though and cut from the same cloth.

[mittsigirl]

One more thing I read somewhere awhile ago. Josh was not the only son to be sent to that ALERT place, apparently Josiah was sent there not one time, but twice, as well as a few other of the boys. Anyone here know that to be factual?

[emmawoodhouse]

4 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

One more thing I read somewhere awhile ago. Josh was not the only son to be sent to that ALERT place, apparently Josiah was sent there not one time, but twice, as well as a few other of the boys. Anyone here know that to be factual?

Josiah did three turns at the ALERT campus in Texas. Smuggar did other Gothard stuff, but never actual ALERT.

[mittsigirl]

1 minute ago, BitterApple said:

I agree, but I'll concede a wife supporting her husband through drug rehab is a lot more palatable than one standing by a guy charged with CSAM. All these people are crooked as hell though and cut from the same cloth.

Yes, I agree with you. The thing about the doctor I am wondering about is why he can only treat kids age 7 and up? They all cover up the truth and lie about it, then when it comes to light, they lie about it again and again. I have a funny feeling that something bad happened to Josh to make him this way. I grew up with 3 brothers, and nothing freaky was ever tried by them on me and my 2 sisters. I also used to hang out a lot with 4 male cousins, and my brother's friends, nothing was ever tried by any of them. Maybe something has to happen when you are very young to ignite the evil beast in the first place. 

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Josiah did three turns at the ALERT campus in Texas. Smuggar did other Gothard stuff, but never actual ALERT.

Thank-you for the true facts! Wonder why he had to go 3 times, and why Josh never went to the same place? So much information and so much is not the actual truth.

[emmawoodhouse]

8 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Yes, I agree with you. The thing about the doctor I am wondering about is why he can only treat kids age 7 and up? They all cover up the truth and lie about it, then when it comes to light, they lie about it again and again. I have a funny feeling that something bad happened to Josh to make him this way. I grew up with 3 brothers, and nothing freaky was ever tried by them on me and my 2 sisters. I also used to hang out a lot with 4 male cousins, and my brother's friends, nothing was ever tried by any of them. Maybe something has to happen when you are very young to ignite the evil beast in the first place. 

I think Smuggar was born a bad seed, but the Golden Child treatment did nothing to curb him. Boobchelle did everything WRONG. 

[ginger90]

Among the many things Jim Bob has said,  this one just popped in my head. I believe it was during the Megyn Kelly interview. He said, “As parents, we are not mandatory reporters.”.

 

[emmawoodhouse]

27 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Among the many things Jim Bob has said,  this one just popped in my head. I believe it was during the Megyn Kelly interview. He said, “As parents, we are not mandatory reporters.”.

 

And therein lies a big part of the problem. They were all about the cover-up. Or keeping it "in house" to steal another Boobism.

[CalicoKitty]

It makes a person start to wonder if Josh was the only son with a porn "problem" that has been hushed up.  We never did hear what "Sinner Twin" did to earn his trips to Alert.  I am sure more bad stuff went on, and more will become public.  Stay tuned.

[GeeGolly]

What is it about Reddit that has folks wanting to 'claim fame' to the Duggars and their ilk? It all feels very bizarre to me.

[Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

In most cultures yes.

Most? Which cultures are you thinking of?

[sagittarius sue]

10 hours ago, LilJen said:

Forgiveness doesn't mean you simply continue on as though nothing happened. If someone steals $100 bucks from you, you might forgive them and still be your friend but you are NOT going to leave your wallet out so the person can steal again, right?

Are you sure the router wasn't behind it all? Routers are very, very sneaky after all, we now know from Josh's trial!

Satan doesn't build a fortress in your heart; he builds it in your router!

[merylinkid]

8 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

 We never did hear what "Sinner Twin" did to earn his trips to Alert. 

Pretty sure ALERT is for disobedience.   I am betting that child didn't toe the Head Idiot line and worship Dad.    So multiple stints until any independence was beaten out of him.

BUT, I am also willing to bet that CONVICTED PEDOPHILE is only the tip of the iceberg.   The parents are masters of cover up.   And with that many kids, statistically speaking something is  like to be up with more than one.    

[Albanyguy]

11 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

When Dr. Fedosky lost his license, he had to go to rehab because of his drug problem, and sadly, Mrs. Fedosky dropped her kids off at the Duggars while she joined her husband wherever he had gone to rehab at. The Fedosky kids were surprised and Bowman didn't like it at all. I guess that's what fundie wives do, abandon their load of kids to another fundie and go where their husbands are. Not something that I would do, I would always pick my kids first, husband comes after them. Always.

I used to work in the drug/alcohol services field and I have never heard of a reputable rehab program that allows a spouse to tag along (except in very rare circumstances where a spouse is included in one or two counseling sessions). I’ll bet it was a Fundie operation like the “Jesus Jail” where Josh was sent.

[madpsych78]

I'm sure other Duggar children have skeletons that are being covered up (at least Josiah) but it also doesn't mean that they are all pedophiles either. I could see multiple married sons cheating on their wives though. Jed! seems like someone who will cheat on Katey down the line. 

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, LilJen said:

Seriously? For real? Better to have a husband who is a criminal scumbag than to be unmarried? 🙄

Absolutely. Because in their view a woman really has no right to any agency of her own. That's how low a woman is. You might keep one daughter unmarried so she can take care of her parents as they age.......But she's lower than nothing, basically. She's nobody. That comes out in various little ways -- Like the married daughters going out to dinner together with their husbands and the adult unmarried daughter not ever attending such social events. Little reminders that she's nothing compared to the married. 

And if this view of women doesn't prove that this whole pile of patriarchal religions and traditions have been carefully created over the years to put and keep men in all the power positions and hand them the keys to everything, I don't know what does. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

9 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

And therein lies a big part of the problem. They were all about the cover-up. Or keeping it "in house" to steal another Boobism.

Exactly And why must it be kept "in house"? So that this kind of crap can happen, can be not even dealt with -- and yet JB and M get to keep and build their reputations as just the bestest parents, Christians, and people ever! 

[ozziemom]

2 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Absolutely. Because in their view a woman really has no right to any agency of her own. That's how low a woman is. You might keep one daughter unmarried so she can take care of her parents as they age.......But she's lower than nothing, basically. She's nobody. That comes out in various little ways -- Like the married daughters going out to dinner together with their husbands and the adult unmarried daughter not ever attending such social events. Little reminders that she's nothing compared to the married. 

And if this view of women doesn't prove that this whole pile of patriarchal religions has been carefully created over the years to put and keep men in all the power positions and hand them the keys to everything, I don't know what does. 

An unmarried daughter wouldn’t know things ie about sex, so they aren’t included in these special dinners. I think the Bates do this too, if you are married you get to attend the steak dinner during I Love You day festivities. Not married, not sure what you get to eat.

[Rabbittron]

I wonder if they thought the judge who found him guilty would of sentenced him back to Jesus Jail ?

[LilyD]

8 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

 

It makes a person start to wonder if Josh was the only son with a porn "problem" that has been hushed up.  We never did hear what "Sinner Twin" did to earn his trips to Alert.  I am sure more bad stuff went on, and more will become public.  Stay tuned

 

In all fundie circles, men have a lot more power and liberties than women. They can go out unescorted, can take part in discussions of all sorts, get to decide what’s on tv (if a tv is allowed) and what is read. In the current digital era, they’re in charge of a computer and can do whatever they please without being supervised. Some even hold the keys to the mailbox, to make sure certain mail is intercepted before it reaches innocent eyes. 
Then there’s the fact that certain (sexual) behavior is considered normal/natural and expected of men but not of women….. (NOT approving of any of this btw!!)

Anyway, my point is: I’m sure the Duggar boys did misbehave and still do. They don’t have a reputation to lose in their world.  It’s probably ignored or they are kindly asked to behave better or not do it again….

[smittykins]

20 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Priests do get an extensive education, including in counseling, etc. So they are all much more qualified than Gothard.

And some men join the priesthood after the death of their wives.

[smittykins]

15 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

The offender needs to feel and express remorse to merit forgiveness, IMO. Be forgiven, then go and sin no more. That ain’t Josh. 

And even if they are forgiven, they still have to accept the Earthly consequences of their actions.

[SMama]

1 hour ago, merylinkid said:

Pretty sure ALERT is for disobedience.   I am betting that child didn't toe the Head Idiot line and worship Dad.    So multiple stints until any independence was beaten out of him.

BUT, I am also willing to bet that CONVICTED PEDOPHILE is only the tip of the iceberg.   The parents are masters of cover up.   And with that many kids, statistically speaking something is  like to be up with more than one.    

Joe and James attended ALERT and they (especially Joe) have been obedient. I agree that Josiah’s multiple stays were most likely a punishment. ALERT is basically military boot camp cosplay. 

One of the Bates teens (maybe Jackson) wanted to join the Marines. Gil and Kelly told him they would send him to ALERT and that way he could see if he liked boot camp. Interesting, because no other Bates boy has gone to ALERT.

Does anyone remember why Jer was labeled sinner twin? I do recall he went to ALERT but not Jed. At the time I thought it was strange not to have them together. Maybe that was intentional, break that twin bond.

[Zella]

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

What is it about Reddit that has folks wanting to 'claim fame' to the Duggars and their ilk? It all feels very bizarre to me.

A lot of them are kind of hunted down asked to do the Reddit AMAs. I think the subreddit is obsessed with the idea of finding new info. They were also begging some random cousin of Anna's to do one before deciding that he didn't have any real tea. I'm not sure why anyone sane would think the cousin knew anything since in his video they were stalking he didn't know basic facts, but it just seems like the perfect storm of people rabid for a scoop and people with varying degrees of inside knowledge (or claims to it) up for spilling the beans, either for attention or because they want to correct misconceptions or both. 

Edited to add: Not that I think the people doing the AMAs are necessarily innocent victims or that some of them don't have really good information, but I do think the subreddit has its issues with being so obsessed with getting new dirt that it causes them to abandon their senses on occasion, and it's pretty easy for that to spiral out of control. 

Edited December 18, 2021 by Zella

[BigBingerBro]

15 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think the subreddit is obsessed with the idea of finding new info.

I tots agree with this.  It's taken "snark" to a whole new level.  It's actually a tad scary IMO

[Cinnabon]

55 minutes ago, Zella said:

A lot of them are kind of hunted down asked to do the Reddit AMAs. I think the subreddit is obsessed with the idea of finding new info. They were also begging some random cousin of Anna's to do one before deciding that he didn't have any real tea. I'm not sure why anyone sane would think the cousin knew anything since in his video they were stalking he didn't know basic facts, but it just seems like the perfect storm of people rabid for a scoop and people with varying degrees of inside knowledge (or claims to it) up for spilling the beans, either for attention or because they want to correct misconceptions or both. 

Edited to add: Not that I think the people doing the AMAs are necessarily innocent victims or that some of them don't have really good information, but I do think the subreddit has its issues with being so obsessed with getting new dirt that it causes them to abandon their senses on occasion, and it's pretty easy for that to spiral out of control. 

No doubt. Have you ever followed a tv show in a Reddit forum? Some of those posters are beyond obsessed. I’m hoping most of them are very young because it’s crazy.

[Zella]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

No doubt. Have you ever followed a tv show in a Reddit forum? Some of those posters are beyond obsessed. I’m hoping most of them are very young because it’s crazy.

I tend to follow shows on there after they've wrapped up, so it's just the hardy souls who want to analyze symbolism and argue about characters and themes years after the fact. 😂

As with any subreddit, the Duggar one has some good stuff, but there's also an awful lot of bullshit you have to wade through. 

[Cinnabon]

8 minutes ago, Zella said:

I tend to follow shows on there after they've wrapped up, so it's just the hardy souls who want to analyze symbolism and argue about characters and themes years after the fact. 😂

As with any subreddit, the Duggar one has some good stuff, but there's also an awful lot of bullshit you have to wade through. 

It can be pretty amusing, with some of the posters coming up with elaborate speculation, fan fic, and even making their own gifs! But way too much for me most of the time.

[Lisa418722]

10 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

No doubt. Have you ever followed a tv show in a Reddit forum? Some of those posters are beyond obsessed. I’m hoping most of them are very young because it’s crazy.

Sometimes when following some of the shows I do on Reddit, it confirms that the work "fan" comes from "fanatic."  C'mon people these shows are either ficton or if they fall under reality TV, they still aren't completely real and are scripted.  

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, Lisa418722 said:

Sometimes when following some of the shows I do on Reddit, it confirms that the work "fan" comes from "fanatic."  C'mon people these shows are either ficton or if they fall under reality TV, they still aren't completely real and are scripted.  

YES! I am often tempted to ask some of these posters their ages. Because it seems almost pathological for anyone past adolescence to get so obsessed with tv shows. The Duggar thread is somewhat better, most of the time.

[lascuba]

10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

What is it about Reddit that has folks wanting to 'claim fame' to the Duggars and their ilk? It all feels very bizarre to me.

My impression is that reddit AMAs have become very popular in general--everybody from experts in various fields to celebrities have done them. So it's not Duggar fame specifically that's attracting people, I don't think, but more the attention of being someone "in the know" about a particular topic.

I know the bodyguard guy joined reddit specifically because people on twitter were urging him to do an AMA. 

[BigBingerBro]

Aside from a few one-off "remembrances" by the AMA participants, I've found the Duggar ones pretty underwhealming and very reaching.

I agree that it's hard to weed through all the low-effort and "I had a Duggar dream"/"OMG my mom said Nike last night" style posts on Reddit.

[Quilt Fairy]

6 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Aside from a few one-off "remembrances" by the AMA participants, I've found the Duggar ones pretty underwhealming and very reaching.

Read the new one by one of Theresa Fedosky's sons.  It's very good.  

[Ohiopirate02]

9 hours ago, lascuba said:

My impression is that reddit AMAs have become very popular in general--everybody from experts in various fields to celebrities have done them. So it's not Duggar fame specifically that's attracting people, I don't think, but more the attention of being someone "in the know" about a particular topic.

I know the bodyguard guy joined reddit specifically because people on twitter were urging him to do an AMA. 

Reddit also has an easy interface to allow for these types of interactions.   The character limit for replies is much greater than something like Twitter, and the questions and answers get threads neatly.  

[andromeda331]

12 hours ago, smittykins said:

And even if they are forgiven, they still have to accept the Earthly consequences of their actions.

A pesky detail of Christianity that they conveniently forget. 

[emmawoodhouse]

7 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Read the new one by one of Theresa Fedosky's sons.  It's very good.  

Wow, he roasted his mother over the death of his niece. I'm guessing they're not speaking these days.

[sagittarius sue]

10 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

A pesky detail of Christianity that they conveniently forget. 

That reminds me of the case of Sara Jane Olson (formerly Kathleen Soliah of the SLA) who was arrested 27 years after being on the run.  She had supporters who cited her law-abiding behavior during that time, but she had been involved in a bank robbery where a person was killed, and setting bombs on a police squad that were fortunately dis-armed.  Rightfully, she was tried, and served 7 years in a CA prison.

At the time of the Olson controversy I was reminded that was the major point of Hawthorne's The Scarlet Letter.

[Zella]

11 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Wow, he roasted his mother over the death of his niece. I'm guessing they're not speaking these days.

I was shocked at how blunt he was about his mother. At one point, he just flat-out says she is not a good person. 

[emmawoodhouse]

15 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was shocked at how blunt he was about his mother. At one point, he just flat-out says she is not a good person. 

He's right. She's sleazy and not law-abiding.

[Absolom]

Basically killing a family member will do that.  I expect dumping the kids on the Duggars wasn't exactly endearing either.