Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[BigBingerBro]

Interesting info re: "Alice" in that AMA

I guess getting this guy is why they didn't need the "Pray I put the Journal Away" guy....

Edited December 11, 2021 by BigBingerBro

[Future Cat Lady]

8 minutes ago, graefin said:

One of the government witnesses did an AMA that's kind of interesting:

 

Is it just me or it seems like this guy didn't have a problem with the molestations but the CSAM shook him up?

[SusanM]

6 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Is it just me or it seems like this guy didn't have a problem with the molestations but the CSAM shook him up?

I'm thinking this is where the Duggar's seriously miscalculated.  They figured the same people who would be able to brush aside what Josh did as a teenager as "youthful curiosity" or whatever would also push aside the CSAM.  They put it in the same file as any porn and seemed to think it was a victimless crime.  The way many of them joked and laughed and treated the trial like it was nothing serious UNTIL it got very serious reflects that I feel.

[Zella]

11 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Interesting info re: "Alice" in that AMA

Yeah apparently she was related to Bobye, if I am reading that right? 

[all fall down]

1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

Jason (often misidentified as Jed) a couple of days and James once. 

Thank you!

This time I remembered Justin and forgot James! 😆

[Tuxcat]

I must be having another mind scramble. Could someone straighten it out? Firstly, who is the "letter writer" they are referring to in the AMA comments? Not Alice. Someone different. Second, what new revelations did the Jane doe's 1-4 learn from Bobye? I recall hearing that the age/length of time things were occurring expanded (age 12-15). That was new. What else was? The things graphically specific to Joy - was that new to them? Because I thought all that was in the 2015 police report and they already knew those things.

[SusanM]

46 minutes ago, sue450 said:

yep  jana has a court date for jan 6   charged with endangering a minor  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10297817/Jana-Duggar-31-charged-endangering-welfare-child.html

Two things - why are the UK tabloids so interested in the Duggars?  Were the shows aired over there? And also I think insinuating there is a connection between this charge and anything Josh Duggar did is a very big stretch.  Of course given that this is The Daily Mail that shouldn't surprise me.

Edited December 11, 2021 by SusannahM

[Gemma Violet]

28 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

why are the UK tabloids so interested in the Duggars?  

The Daily Mail has two versions:  The British one and also the American version.  I just checked the British version and I don't see any stories about the Duggars.  They may be there further down but aren't the main stories. 

On today's Inside Edition, they had an interview with the porn actress who had filed suit against Josh.  Needless to say, she's very happy with the verdict.

[crazy8s]

3 hours ago, christine falls said:

I'm trying to refresh my memory of which siblings showed up at the trial:

Jana, Joy, Jill, Justin for sure

Jessa - reported but unconfirmed

Which other brother was it? Jason or Jed? Jer?

all of the over 18 siblings who live at the TTH showed up. Jana, Jason James. (and Laura)

Justin showed up most likely because Hilaria wanted to be there and Jill and Joy in combination with their spouses. Only Derick, and possibly Austin, were there for the entire trial.

so no JD, Jinger, Joe, Jessa, Josiah, Jed or Jeer

 

 

 

[quickjessie]

2 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Maybe Josh was smiling because he knew Jana got arrested? 

What was Jana arrested for?

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, quickjessie said:

What was Jana arrested for?

Child endangerment.

[farmgal4]

30 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

The Daily Mail has two versions:  The British one and also the American version.  I just checked the British version and I don't see any stories about the Duggars.  They may be there further down but aren't the main stories. 

On today's Inside Edition, they had an interview with the porn actress who had filed suit against Josh.  Needless to say, she's very happy with the verdict.

I watched the Inside Edition segment with the stripper who Josh had sex with.  She said that he acted demented and that she was truly afraid of him.  He has to be pure evil.  I can’t imagine what Anna has had to endure, both in and out of the bedroom, since they’ve been married. 

7 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Child endangerment.

What in the world did she do???

[emmawoodhouse]

19 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

What in the world did she do???

Apparently fell asleep while babysitting Anna's kids.  

Edited December 11, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[MsJamieDornan]

23 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

so no JD, Jinger, Joe, Jessa, Josiah, Jed or Jeer

Thanks, I've been trying to figure out who wasnt there, and why ?

[Zella]

Just now, MsJamieDornan said:

I've been trying to figure out who wasnt there,

The Sun not being able to keep their Duggars straight hasn't helped. LOL

[Lady Jane]

11 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I believe JD despises Josh. I could tell the older kids could not stand him AT ALL when the very first specials come out. Joe seems like a decent man who also would want to distance himself from Josh. He always looked up to JD as a role model. Josiah actually has a sensitivity to him, and I could see him having the most sympathy for the victims, and then Anna/the M-kids.

But I would not be surprised if they do not say anything publicly. 

I agree. When the Ashley Madison/cheating/sexual assault sitch hit the media, I remember JD talking about how he looked up to Josh, and now he was finding that he needed to take on the responsibility of "oldest son" and being a GOOD role model for the other children.

tl;dr: JD despises Josh.

 

[3girlsforus]

24 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Apparently fell asleep while babysitting Anna's kids.  

Is this sarcasm or was she really charged with falling asleep while babysitting? 

[MsJamieDornan]

I would have loved to see JD pull up in front of the courthouse in his pretend cop car and demand front row parking ! Maybe he would even turn the red light on !

[babyhouseman]

The rumor is Jana fell asleep, and children got out of the house and were found walking down the road. This sounds like something younger kids would do, not preteen Josie, so the speculation is the kids were Josh and Anna's. 

 

[Lady Jane]

10 hours ago, ALittleShelfish said:

Prior to yesterday, he may have already thought he had the equivalent of a computer science/IT degree.  Smuggar, indeed. 

Could a prison say "hold on there, Sparky, you don't need to be privy to any further workings of a computer...."?  I guess they can't deny that...

They absolutely can and do all the time. Josh's crimes were committed on and facilitated by a computer. Generally those who have used the internet to commit those crimes are not allowed computer privileges in prison. Not using computers after release is also a common release plan feature. By the time he gets back computer access, which maybe he will maybe he won't, but the tech world will have moved faaaaaaar beyond him next week, to say nothing of how it will change while he is in prison (please be in prison for years and years).

9 hours ago, Zella said:

Dude needs to actually pass the bar first. They do need to talk to a lawyer, especially if Jim Bob is using Josh as leverage against the other kids. (It wouldn't surprise me.) But, personally, if I were the other Duggar kids, Derick is the last lawyer I'd ask, even if he does finally pass the bar. He is completely inexperienced, and I don't think asking an attorney who is personally involved in your case is the road to sound legal advice. 

Lawyers should NEVER be involved in a case where he or she may be a witness (which Derrick absolutely would be). He can fob the Duggars off onto another lawyer and potentially receive and ENORMOUS referral fee (never costs the client any $, the referral money comes out of the receiving lawyer's wallet) -- they can be up to around 50% of the entire lawyer's fee (on a contingency case, which these should be). (And as Zella noted, he's just too personally involved, as well as inexperienced.

[emmawoodhouse]

7 minutes ago, 3girlsforus said:

Is this sarcasm or was she really charged with falling asleep while babysitting? 

This is what is being reported. One of Anna's girls was found out on the road.

[merylinkid]

Maybe Anna should have been watching her own darn kids instead of expecting her sister in law to do it.   it apparently happened in September so you KNOW where Anna was instead of taking care of her kids.   

Jana use this an excuse to get the hell out.   "oh darn, clearly I am not responsible enough to care for these kids, I should retire to a little cottage to live out my life."

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

This is what is being reported. One of Anna's girls was found out on the road.

That makes way more sense than the initial reports that it wasn't a Duggar kid. 

[emmawoodhouse]

11 minutes ago, Zella said:

That makes way more sense than the initial reports that it wasn't a Duggar kid. 

It was posted in the Lonely Js thread that it was Maryella. My money was on Meredith.

[Scarlett45]

Please keep your posts centered on Josh, Anna and their family.

 

I understand that statements about the trial are relevant here- but take discussion of other Duggar family members to their appropriate thread, or the media thread. 

[Absolom]

Poor two year old wandering around if it was Maryella.  Maybe she was trying to go home or was Jana watching them in their warehouse apartment.  That would put her closer to the road.

Edited December 11, 2021 by Absolom

[Future Cat Lady]

2 hours ago, SusannahM said:

I'm thinking this is where the Duggar's seriously miscalculated.  They figured the same people who would be able to brush aside what Josh did as a teenager as "youthful curiosity" or whatever would also push aside the CSAM.  They put it in the same file as any porn and seemed to think it was a victimless crime.  The way many of them joked and laughed and treated the trial like it was nothing serious UNTIL it got very serious reflects that I feel.

But it's sad and disturbing those people didn't think it was serious when he actually hurted the girls, girls that some of them actually knew.

[emmawoodhouse]

9 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Poor two year old wandering around if it was Maryella.  Maybe she was trying to go home or was Jana watching them in their warehouse apartment.  That would put her closer to the road.

She wasn't found on that road. 

Anna should have been home watching her own kids. I wonder if the kids actually slept in the warehouse last night for the first time in what, 7 months?

Edited December 11, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[3girlsforus]

4 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

ALL ALONE Josh Duggar is being held in solitary confinement in jail ‘for his own safety’ after child pornography conviction

This isn't surprising at all. I'm pretty sure this is SOP for child sex criminals. So Josh is in solitary and Anna (and kids) are stuck subject to the whims and demands of JB and Michelle. Hmmm.... I think Anna is probably jealous of Josh. 

48 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

This is what is being reported. One of Anna's girls was found out on the road.

Bizarre... seems like there has to be more to it. If the kid was hers would she still have been charged? Parents sleep. A kid could get out. 

[Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Another poster (either here or on Reddit) said that after the trial was over they were going to be done with the Duggars.  I feel that way, too.  What will ever be cute or snark-worthy about this family ever again? 

Yes, I really really want to see JB go down. Schadenfreude energizes me 🤣.

[Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, salvame said:

See Jim Bob - that's how it's done, you stupid douchbag.

I took a look at Bin’s Twitter the other day. After he posted the badly timed video about sexual sins, he got hammered in the comments. The sickening details of the CP Josh watched were laid out. So Bin is at least aware (if he believed what was told to him) of the severity of it all. 

[farmgal4]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Apparently fell asleep while babysitting Anna's kids.  

WTH called the police on her?  Couldn’t one of the kids have just awakened her???

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Jinger and Jeremy:

We are saddened for the victims of horrific child abuse. We are also saddened for Josh’s family, his wife and precious children.

We are saddened for the dishonor this has brought upon Christ’s name. Josh claims to be a Christian. When a professing follower of Jesus is exposed as a hypocrite, the response of many will be to challenge the integrity of Jesus himself. They’ll question the legitimacy of a Savior whose so-called followers privately delight in the sins they publicly denounce. This is why the Apostle Paul told religious hypocrites that "the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you” (Romans 2:24). For Josh, we fear for his soul.

Yet, amidst our sadness, there is gratitude. We are grateful that God is a God of justice who cares for the innocent and the helpless. And, of all the people in this world, he especially loves children, who are among the most vulnerable. This reality makes the existence of sex trafficking and child abuse one of the most horrific evils imaginable. It is an evil God hates.

Jesus welcomed and cared for children, seeing their helplessness as opportunity to protect, not exploit (Matthew 19:14). And his harshest indictment was reserved for those who caused them to stumble: “it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matthew 18:6).

For those who follow him, he requires the same compassion toward children: “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 18:10). The Apostle James put this care at the heart of true religion: “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world” (James 1:27).

We are thankful to God for exposing Josh’s actions and to a legal system committed to protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty in this case. We are grateful for justice. We are praying for further justice, vindication, protection, and healing for all those who have been wronged.

Jeremy, almost all of the high profile “Christians” out there right now are full of hypocrisy. Have you noticed all of them?

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Jinger and Jeremy:

We are saddened for the victims of horrific child abuse. We are also saddened for Josh’s family, his wife and precious children.

We are saddened for the dishonor this has brought upon Christ’s name. Josh claims to be a Christian. When a professing follower of Jesus is exposed as a hypocrite, the response of many will be to challenge the integrity of Jesus himself. They’ll question the legitimacy of a Savior whose so-called followers privately delight in the sins they publicly denounce. This is why the Apostle Paul told religious hypocrites that "the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you” (Romans 2:24). For Josh, we fear for his soul.

Yet, amidst our sadness, there is gratitude. We are grateful that God is a God of justice who cares for the innocent and the helpless. And, of all the people in this world, he especially loves children, who are among the most vulnerable. This reality makes the existence of sex trafficking and child abuse one of the most horrific evils imaginable. It is an evil God hates.

Jesus welcomed and cared for children, seeing their helplessness as opportunity to protect, not exploit (Matthew 19:14). And his harshest indictment was reserved for those who caused them to stumble: “it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea” (Matthew 18:6).

For those who follow him, he requires the same compassion toward children: “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 18:10). The Apostle James put this care at the heart of true religion: “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world” (James 1:27).

We are thankful to God for exposing Josh’s actions and to a legal system committed to protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty in this case. We are grateful for justice. We are praying for further justice, vindication, protection, and healing for all those who have been wronged.

Who cared for these victims of CP, Jeremy? Where was your “god” then? What about hundreds of thousands of homeless and hungry kids in this country? All of the kids in our foster care system that will never find forever homes? All of the children killed in the Holocaust? Who cared for and protected them? Does Jeremy really care himself? Because I haven’t seen him out there assisting ANY of the many extremely needy children in LA.

[mynextmistake]

17 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I don't know if Laura deleted any other comments, but this is what's been shown here.

Passive aggressive dog:

”No, really, please finish the kibble. I’m stuffed. Besides, I just couldn’t pull off that extra-large collar as well as you do.”

”Oh, you want me to bring back that Frisbee? The one you just threw over there? Well, my paw has been bothering me a bit since the tennis ball incident last week, but I guess I’ll go get it. No, it’s okay, you stay here. I know you work hard. Sitting at that computer all day must be exhausting.” 

“Oops, did I poop in your shoes again? I’m so sorry! I didn’t mean to. I guess when you refuse to let me out at 2 am, I can’t always hold it.”

Sorry, after this week I could use some levity. Josh is such a monster. 

Edited December 11, 2021 by mynextmistake

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Lady Jane said:

I agree. When the Ashley Madison/cheating/sexual assault sitch hit the media, I remember JD talking about how he looked up to Josh, and now he was finding that he needed to take on the responsibility of "oldest son" and being a GOOD role model for the other children.

tl;dr: JD despises Josh.

 

What I remember is that JD seemed more concerned about Josh cheating on Anna than he did about Josh abusing his sisters. 

[emmawoodhouse]

26 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

WTH called the police on her?  Couldn’t one of the kids have just awakened her???

A man driving by saw the girl and called the police. I suppose Jana was the only adult home at the time. 

7 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

What I remember is that JD seemed more concerned about Josh cheating on Anna than he did about Josh abusing his sisters. 

They all did. Cheating and adult porn are a bridge too far. Apparently, molestation and child porn is another day at the office. 🙄

[EllaWycliffe]

46 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

But it's sad and disturbing those people didn't think it was serious when he actually hurted the girls, girls that some of them actually knew.

Unfortunately there's a lot of misogyny in this world. I always had the impression the girls in the family that Josh victimized and molested were pretty much blamed for it by dint of being too tempting for poor Josh to resist. It's never really the guy's fault in these cases - the hard core religious always pin it on Eve, the apple and all women being whores deep down. 

[farmgal4]

23 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Who cared for these victims of CP, Jeremy? Where was your “god” then? What about hundreds of thousands of homeless and hungry kids in this country? All of the kids in our foster care system that will never find forever homes? All of the children killed in the Holocaust? Who cared for and protected them? Does Jeremy really care himself? Because I haven’t seen him out there assisting ANY of the many extremely needy children in LA.

YES!!  Make that make sense, Jeremy!!

[Cinnabon]

Just now, farmgal4 said:

YES!!  Make that make sense, Jeremy!!

They never can.

[CalicoKitty]

Wasn't Anna shown yelling at one of the Lost Girls when one of her kids got lost on some outing.  Whichever girl was supposed to be watching said child.  I don't imagine Jana's incident went down well with her.  I do agree, she needs to watch her own children.

[magpye29]

On 12/9/2021 at 1:44 PM, deaja said:

That's way more hair than he actually has.

And way less weight!

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Wasn't Anna shown yelling at one of the Lost Girls when one of her kids got lost on some outing.  Whichever girl was supposed to be watching said child.  I don't imagine Jana's incident went down well with her.  I do agree, she needs to watch her own children.

Right. At Silver Dollar City, IIRC. I forget which Lost Girl was the recipient of Anna's wrath. 

[Bayarea4]

I was at another website which has an Arkansas section, and in a topic on Josh Duggar's arrest, someone posted this in response to another poster, who'd said "family values":

Quote

Ummm, no.

He was a man gone astray from an otherwise good, though somewhat peculiar family.

And like Absalom and Jehoahaz in the Bible, who departed from the path their father set them on, he has met with misfortune.

Other than that, no one here really cares.

"No one really cares?" Wow. Someone has really drunk the Kool-Aid.

[Cinnabon]

36 minutes ago, Bayarea4 said:

I was at another website which has an Arkansas section, and in a topic on Josh Duggar's arrest, someone posted this in response to another poster, who'd said "family values":

"No one really cares?" Wow. Someone has really drunk the Kool-Aid.

These types only care about fetuses before they’re born. If an infant is sexually abused, they don’t really care. Or it’s the underfunded child protective service’s fault, but they don’t want to fund it. If a child is hungry, it’s the parents’ fault for not making enough money. They don’t want to contribute to feeding them. 😥

Edited December 11, 2021 by Cinnabon

[emmawoodhouse]

I took it as no one really cares about the Duggars. Maybe I missed something?

[quarks]

  

17 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I’m not convinced that Jessa and Joy still don’t think Josh was being persecuted for his religion. And I’m not sure Jinger has many thoughts about anything at all.

Jessa and Joy both liked Jeremy's Instagram post, and as awful as Jeremy is on all levels, I don't think he would have posted that in Jinger's name without running it by her; it directly attacked her parents, and she's said she's close to her mother.

So that's posts from Jill, Jinger/Jeremy, and Jason condemning Josh, and Jessa and Joy approving these posts, and Hillary specifically asking people to pray for Anna - not Josh - and defending Justin - not Josh.

Add in the way that most of the adult Duggarlings who don't live at home pointedly avoided the entire trial and have abstained from saying anything positive about Josh, and I'm just not seeing much, if any, support for Josh or a believe that he's being persecuted among the adult Duggarlings. 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, quarks said:

  

Jessa and Joy both liked Jeremy's Instagram post, and as awful as Jeremy is on all levels, I don't think he would have posted that in Jinger's name without running it by her; it directly attacked her parents, and she's said she's close to her mother.

So that's posts from Jill, Jinger/Jeremy, and Jason condemning Josh, and Jessa and Joy approving these posts, and Hillary specifically asking people to pray for Anna - not Josh - and defending Justin - not Josh.

Add in the way that most of the adult Duggarlings who don't live at home pointedly avoided the entire trial and have abstained from saying anything positive about Josh, and I'm just not seeing much, if any, support for Josh or a believe that he's being persecuted among the adult Duggarlings. 

You’re much less cynical than I am. 

[Tabbygirl521]

16 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

What I remember is that JD seemed more concerned about Josh cheating on Anna than he did about Josh abusing his sisters. 

From various comments yesterday about some of the “kids” attending the trial to learn the truth, I gather that the siblings did not really know what Josh had done. It seems to have been unbelievably minimized by JB and Michelle - both within the family and among their church fellows. 

Edited December 11, 2021 by Tabbygirl521

[mynextmistake]

WOACB is now saying that Anna is being investigated for child abandonment and might lose the kids. They claim she was pressuring Josh to allow the whole family to move into the Reber’s place, and he told her no because he didn’t want his bond revoked. When she had to choose, she chose to be at the Rebers and left her kids with the Duggars. 

While I think Anna is a useless human being, and I think it’s possible her kids would be better off in a different home, I can’t imagine this is true? Leaving your kids with adult relatives isn’t abandonment unless you completely disappear, and I’m sure she went back to check on them sometimes.

Unless this is in some way tied to the Jana incident? Like Anna just dropped the kids off without talking to Jana first and Jana told the cops that when they showed up with whatever M kid got loose? This wouldn’t surprise me, actually.