Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[zenme]

3 hours ago, beckie said:

You're talking about the ass who took a nap while his wife was in labor because HE was tired.....

He was probably up the previous night watching porn. Creep.

[JoanArc]

The second behind the bastards  on Josh is up….

not that we didn’t know, but quiverful is disturbing.

[Lurk]

Just ran across this article about Apple going to scan iPhones and iCloud pictures to match against known CP pics to alert authorities. Of course, my first thought was the Pest.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/tech/apple-photos-child-abuse-imagery/index.html

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Lurk said:

Just ran across this article about Apple going to scan iPhones and iCloud pictures to match against known CP pics to alert authorities. Of course, my first thought was the Pest.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/tech/apple-photos-child-abuse-imagery/index.html

Even he wouldn't be stupid enough to store pics on his phone or even his cloud. He kept everything on the Dark Web.

[JoanArc]

9 hours ago, Lurk said:

Just ran across this article about Apple going to scan iPhones and iCloud pictures to match against known CP pics to alert authorities. Of course, my first thought was the Pest.....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/tech/apple-photos-child-abuse-imagery/index.html

 For what it’s worth, they do this with every upload already. They are just changing it so the phone will scan pictures stored on itself. 

 

9 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

He kept everything on the Dark Web.

 No, he was caught with the actual pictures and material on his computer. Presumably in the second partition. He used the dark web to download them though.

[Gigi43]

11 hours ago, JoanArc said:

 For what it’s worth, they do this with every upload already. They are just changing it so the phone will scan pictures stored on itself. 

 

 No, he was caught with the actual pictures and material on his computer. Presumably in the second partition. He used the dark web to download them though.

 

People often feel their PC is more secure than their phones. I would be surprised if Josh ever used his phone. A phone also runs the risk of losing it, someone taking it or just someone going through it easier than the PC at the car lot; nothing has been found in his shed home, so I don't think he'd carry it around on a phone (I doubt many people use the computer at the lot, though that'll be the defense and I certainly don't see Anna ever looking through it.) 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Gigi43

[BigBingerBro]

Same story a la Daily Fail:

Josh Duggar's pregnant wife Anna has 'pretty much moved in' to home where he is under house arrest ahead of child porn trial - while her family helps to raise their six kids so she can be with her husband

[drafan]

On 8/5/2021 at 12:41 PM, iwantcookies said:

Anna is there to be joyfully available. After all her husband has needs…

...and most likely a pregnant whore sex fetish.

Edited August 7, 2021 by drafan

[Temperance]

The sources of the rumors Anna moved in are the DailyMail and the Sun; neither of which I trust. I don't believe that. 

I am convinced M7 will be named Michelle, but we'll see. 

[Westiepeach]

5 hours ago, Temperance said:

The sources of the rumors Anna moved in are the DailyMail and the Sun; neither of which I trust. I don't believe that. 

I am convinced M7 will be named Michelle, but we'll see. 

Just what the world needs… another Michelle Duggar… 🙄

[jacourt]

If Anna finds out josh is on the internet what are the odds she’ll report it?

[zenme]

4 minutes ago, jacourt said:

If Anna finds out josh is on the internet what are the odds she’ll report it?

She won’t. 
if she finds out he’s looking at child porn and doesn’t report, can she get in trouble too?

[Heathen]

On 8/5/2021 at 5:14 PM, Scarlett45 said:

I remember that. I thought he was a little shit for a long while, (including when he had Anna carry their luggage ON THE HONEYMOON) but that took the cake. She was in labor with their FIRST child and his lazy ass was sleeping. 

No, it was the birth of their second child, Michael, when Smuggar was filmed napping. 

Everything filmed is heavily scripted and edited. I don't believe for a minute that shit is real. We know it's not real -- we've discussed the staged engagements, for one. 

[Scarlett45]

30 minutes ago, Heathen said:

No, it was the birth of their second child, Michael, when Smuggar was filmed napping. 

Everything filmed is heavily scripted and edited. I don't believe for a minute that shit is real. We know it's not real -- we've discussed the staged engagements, for one. 

Thanks so much! Michael was the labor that he was sleeping. 

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, Heathen said:

No, it was the birth of their second child, Michael, when Smuggar was filmed napping. 

Everything filmed is heavily scripted and edited. I don't believe for a minute that shit is real. We know it's not real -- we've discussed the staged engagements, for one. 

I’ll still believe that Josh is a selfish asshole. Probably didn’t think the production team pushing him very far.

The Lego scene was definitely scripted at their wedding.

[iwantcookies]

13 hours ago, jacourt said:

If Anna finds out josh is on the internet what are the odds she’ll report it?

Zero 

[MsJamieDornan]

17 hours ago, jacourt said:

If Anna finds out josh is on the internet what are the odds she’ll report it?

It would have to be her internet. He's not supposed to have access to it. So, if he's on her phone or laptop when she is visiting him, she could be in big trouble.

[GeeGolly]

If Anna had any sense at all, she would only take a flip phone with her when she visits Josh. 

[Westiepeach]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

If Anna had any sense at all, she would only take a flip phone with her when she visits Josh. 

Well, I don’t think Anna has any sense so…

[merylinkid]

5 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

It would have to be her internet. He's not supposed to have access to it. So, if he's on her phone or laptop when she is visiting him, she could be in big trouble.

Oh please.   he probably has hacked the Reibers computer already.  Or he bought a burner phone.   Just becuase he's not supposed to have access doesn't mean he hasn't figure out a way.   

[zenme]

He’s like a very resourceful teenager, that Josh.

[BigBingerBro]

The court did say he was allowed to posess a phone which did not connect to the internet as long as it was approved by them.  I'm sure he got one as soon as possible.  The reebars probably also have a landline.

[zenme]

If I were that Mrs. Rebar, I’d be so angry my husband invited a pedophile into my home! And now all this trouble she has to go through with having that dumbass Anna over all the time. Does Mrs Rebar have to cook for him? Clean for him? Even if Anna does it, I usually like the way I clean my own house. Jim Bob should have had one of his not so busy sons live in a rental with him. If the girls have to spend their lives babysitting, they could have one of the multitudes of boys babysit Josh.

[Churchhoney]

25 minutes ago, zenme said:

If I were that Mrs. Rebar, I’d be so angry my husband invited a pedophile into my home! And now all this trouble she has to go through with having that dumbass Anna over all the time. Does Mrs Rebar have to cook for him? Clean for him? Even if Anna does it, I usually like the way I clean my own house. Jim Bob should have had one of his not so busy sons live in a rental with him. If the girls have to spend their lives babysitting, they could have one of the multitudes of boys babysit Josh.

I think the Rebers were said to have a small mother-in-law apartment in their house. If they do, then that's probably where Josh is.

I'd let him do his own cooking and stew in his own juices there. Of course, the problem with him having a separate area you could sort of ignore is that it'd be much easier for him to defy court orders there -- and then the Rebers could get in some trouble, too. 

The upside of having a separate section of the house would be that when he's gone you might be able to fumigate and then demolish it.

Re: Mr. Reber sucking up to a famous Christian patriarch by inviting JB to stash his favorite/not-favorite son there. This is the kind of thing that women oblivious or misguided enough to marry determined patriarchs don't see coming, probably. 

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Churchhoney

[zenme]

1 minute ago, Churchhoney said:

I think the Rebers were said to have a small mother-in-law apartment in their house. If they do, then that's probably where Josh is.

I'd let him do his own cooking and stew in his own juices there. Of course, the problem with him having a separate area that you could ignore is that it'd be much easier for him to defy court orders there -- and then the Rebers could get in some trouble, too. 

The upside of having a separate section of the house would be that when he's gone you might be able to fumigate and then demolish it.

Re: Mr. Reber sucking up to a famous Christian patriarch by inviting JB to stash his favorite/not-favorite son there. This is the kind of thing that women oblivious or misguided enough to marry determined patriarchs don't see coming, probably. 

 

“…stew in his own juices” takes on a whole new meaning with Smug. 
Oh! That’s great if they have a mother-in-law suite/separate apartment there. It would definitely need to be fumigated.

[BigBingerBro]

Just exactly is the required level of supervision the Reebars are expected to provide?  Having him live there removes him from other people's children as well as zero internet access, but are they required to cook for him, clean up after him, etc?  

[Minivanessa]

54 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Just exactly is the required level of supervision the Reebars are expected to provide?  Having him live there removes him from other people's children as well as zero internet access, but are they required to cook for him, clean up after him, etc?  

I don't think the judge issued a household chore chart, operating on the assumption that these are adults who are competent to manage their own household. As to what the Duggar parents and Josh may expect? Yeah, that would be I'm sure complete food, beverage, and cleaning service. (Urgh.)

IIRC the evidence at the court release hearing included statements that there's some kind of mother in law suite in the house which Josh would inhabit. I don't know if it includes a kitchen or is a bedroom/bathroom/sitting room kind of "suite." So Mrs R may be providing Josh's meals for sure if he doesn't have his own kitchen. Then there are those sketchy tabloid claims that Anna's basically moved in with him which I doubt, but if she has maybe she's doing some of his housework.

The existence of that suite indicates to me that Josh isn't expected to be in the immediate presence of a Reber during all his waking hours. So it's not some 24/7 "supervision" by the Rebers. However, the judge made clear the Rebers have a duty to report to the court via the (I think) probation office, if they become aware of any violation by Josh of the court's conditions of release.

If Josh weren't an entitled fundie male arse, it would occur to him that he could express his gratitude for the Rebers taking him in, by at least cleaning his own quarters. But, he is an entitled fundie male arse who's been treated like the Crown Prince of the Coming Kingdom of The White Male God all his life. So, there's that. He can hack his way into the dark web and make a joke of his Christian Tracking Internet Spyware, but I assume he has no idea how to run a vacuum cleaner. Or if he does, he wouldn't admit it.

BTW, someone upthread said Josh should have been sent to a rental house chaperoned by a brother. That's not possible; the court's requirements for the kind of conditional release that Josh got, are that he not live with relatives. Hence JB's calling in favors from like-minded local fundies. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Jeeves

[zenme]

Wow. I didn’t realize he couldn’t live with his relatives!

[ozziemom]

What restrictions are there on Josh’s daily movements? Is he allowed to work (yeah right, what work) if there’s no kids around? 

[crazy8s]

I believe it was he could go to work, meet with lawyers and go to church. but needed permission for those things.

Since he is not allowed around children that leaves the church of JB out. Can't work with any of the brothers if Jackson or Tyler are working at the same job. His car lot is closed and he can't have access to a computer, so work is a no.

Edited August 8, 2021 by crazy8s

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, zenme said:

He’s like a very resourceful teenager, that Josh.

Very sly, as Jessa would say.

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

BTW, someone upthread said Josh should have been sent to a rental house chaperoned by a brother. That's not possible; the court's requirements for the kind of conditional release that Josh got, are that he not live with relatives.

I don’t recall this, I’m not saying it’s not correct, I’m old.

I recall he couldn’t have contact with minors, siblings, nieces, and nephews included.

[Cinnabon]

6 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I don’t recall this, I’m not saying it’s not correct, I’m old.

I recall he couldn’t have contact with minors, siblings, nieces, and nephews included.

Same 

[GeeGolly]

I believe the suite at the Rebers is a bedroom and bathroom, with its own entrance.

Josh can't leave the house for any reason, without pre-approved permission, planned well in advance.

Came back to add... I don't believe the Rebers are actual babysitters or watch guards. I think they needed to agree to have a house without internet access for Josh and no young children around. And to report Josh if they know he did something against the court order. Other than that Josh is on his own to screw up at will and the Rebers would not be held accountable. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by GeeGolly

[the-grey-lady]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:08 AM, rue721 said:

we will continue to hear very little about what's going on with him aside from the day he's thrown in prison.

Not gonna lie: the thought made my heart go pitter-pat.

[merylinkid]

6 hours ago, Jeeves said:

However, the judge made clear the Rebers have a duty to report to the court via the (I think) probation office, if they become aware of any violation by Josh of the court's conditions of release.

Yeah if they become aware.   "Oh Josh is always in his room, we don't know what he's up to."  Way to make sure if he does do something, they conveniently can claim they weren't aware.   

He can't be with relatives because the judge didn't trust them to report any bond condition violations.   Because they have a history of not reporting molestation to the authorities.  

[Zella]

IIRC, I don't think the court directly banned Josh from living with his relatives, as in said that in so many words, but before his bond hearing, the court made clear that whoever his guardian was going to be was not going to be rubber stamped, so I think Jim Bob and the lawyers took the hint and realized that a sibling was probably not going to pass muster. 

In some ways, I am surprised the Rebers did.

I'm assuming there weren't a lot of people even in JB's circle lining up for the chance to house Josh, so that's why they were put forward. 

[GeeGolly]

8 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Yeah if they become aware.   "Oh Josh is always in his room, we don't know what he's up to."  Way to make sure if he does do something, they conveniently can claim they weren't aware.   

He can't be with relatives because the judge didn't trust them to report any bond condition violations.   Because they have a history of not reporting molestation to the authorities.  

I don't think the Rebers condone Josh's misdeeds, nor do I think they'd be willing to get in trouble to protect him.

The only adult Duggars during the molestations were JB & M, so I don't think anyone is blaming the minor children for not going to the authorities.

[ginger90]

42 minutes ago, Zella said:

I'm assuming there weren't a lot of people even in JB's circle lining up for the chance to house Josh, so that's why they were put forward. 

I’m hoping that if at any point a childless sibling was approached about it, they gave a big no.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I’m hoping that if at any point a childless sibling was approached about it, they gave a big no.

I would hope so, too, but I'm not sure any of them actually would. 

[Cinnabon]

8 minutes ago, Zella said:

I would hope so, too, but I'm not sure any of them actually would. 

Didn’t we discuss JB possibly sending Josh to live with Jed! and Katey? I don’t recall the court saying he couldn’t stay with (child free) relatives.

[Zella]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

Didn’t we discuss JB possibly sending Josh to live with Jed! and Katey? I don’t recall the court saying he couldn’t stay with (child free) relatives.

We discussed it, but I don't know if they did. Like I posted earlier, I remember the court saying something during his first court appearance before the bond hearing that made me think they weren't going to take a relative seriously as a guardian but not in those words. I am trying to find something from that hearing to see if that was just from diseased imagination or if the court actually said something along that line. LOL My memory can be impressionistic, so sometimes I strongly think something happened because it matches a pattern I think I've detected and . . . it didn't actually happen. 

[ginger90]

From the April 30th hearing:

 

“I will also advise you that any proposed third-party custodian, it would need to be in a residence, where there are no minors in the home,” the judge said. “So, you all would need to be looking for somebody that will ensure compliance with conditions of release and can ensure to the court that there are no minors in the home, or that would be visiting unsupervised.”

Edited August 9, 2021 by ginger90

[Zella]

13 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

From the May 5th hearing:

 

“I will also advise you that any proposed third-party custodian, it would need to be in a residence, where there are no minors in the home,” the judge said. “So, you all would need to be looking for somebody that will ensure compliance with conditions of release and can ensure to the court that there are no minors in the home, or that would be visiting unsupervised.”

I think that was actually from the April 30 hearing rather than the May 5 bond hearing, but I also think that was the phrasing I was thinking of. Thanks!

The reason I assumed family was off the table was "third-party," which implies to me at least no family. Also the fact that it's not just someone with no minors but also someone who can ensure compliance. My guess would be there would be legitimate questions as to whether his relatives who don't have children would really be in a position to ensure compliance. And I would think that would be true of any defendant, not just Josh.

I'd love to hear from our lawyers on that actually. Are relatives ever considered for these third-party custodian roles when someone is out on federal bond?

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Zella

[ginger90]

4 minutes ago, Zella said:

I think that was actually from the April 30 hearing

You are correct. It was from an article dated May 5th. Apologies, I’ll change it. 😁

[Zella]

Just now, ginger90 said:

You are correct. It was from an article dated May 5th. Apologies, I’ll change it. 😁

No worries! Thanks again for tracking it down! My Google-fu failed me, and I never could find anything that directly quoted the judge, just summarized. 

[sue450]

On 8/5/2021 at 4:45 PM, Spazamanaz said:

But why would he even care if they shaved the babysitters head? I'm curious as to why that would make him cave. 

according to gothard  all the women must have long curly hair....( it is their crowning glory)  josh doesn't seem to give a crap so don't know why that was the point that he caved....the girls family lots of people would be angry with him to put a lady through that...........another time hje was rude to his wife  on a trip asnna was extremely pregnant and god forbid she she be lest at home......she was climbing up these steep steps up to the airplane and he didn't even help her

[Nysha]

I don't think the victims were ever threatened with getting their heads shaved. I think Josh had to ask forgiveness at church for an unspecified sin against his sisters and they were required to forgive him, plus he had his head shaved and was sent away to dig a pond. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Nysha said:

I don't think the victims were ever threatened with getting their heads shaved. I think Josh had to ask forgiveness at church for an unspecified sin against his sisters and they were required to forgive him, plus he had his head shaved and was sent away to dig a pond. 

Except that the pond was the "sin in the camp" when Holt needed somebody to blame for Arkansas voters not liking him (or, more likely, not liking his ridiculous ideas and proposals) so they decided Josh looking at porn on a campaign computer was the reason for the loss. ....

This is the kind of adult male role models Joshley and the others have had in front of them all their lives. This hasn't improved things. 

Of course, the female adult role model is Meeechelle....so....

No decent adult role models at all, basically. 

I mean, Bill Gothard was their top role model. Good lord....

Edited August 10, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

I'm not sure if it can be posted here, but on Reddit some folks have downloaded some of the court paperwork related to the case from PACER. The prosecution's response to Josh's request for discovery is some of the most withering sarcasm I've seen in a filing in any of the true crime stuff I've ever read. I'm curious if it looks as sassy to a lawyer. But they basically tell him that the justice system doesn't work the way he thinks it does and most of what he wants in fact does not exist. 

Note: It seems like any graphic description of the files he downloaded have been redacted, so nobody should get blindsided if they look for it. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Zella