Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[BitterApple]

3 hours ago, louannems said:

Marcus has always been my favorite M kid.  Probably since he doesn't look like all the generic Duggars!

I think he looks a lot like Priscilla's oldest son. 

The Mkids are a really cute bunch. Even the ones that run Duggar-ish have enough Keller traits so you don't take one look at them and immediately see the Face of Boob.

[Farmfam]

8 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Will Marcus even see this??

This is common. I'm in my mid thirties and I swear each day is a birthday or milestone tribute on SM to children that don't have or aren't old enough to see it themselves. So much to snark on, but this is  considered "normal." 

[DangerousMinds]

54 minutes ago, Farmfam said:

This is common. I'm in my mid thirties and I swear each day is a birthday or milestone tribute on SM to children that don't have or aren't old enough to see it themselves. So much to snark on, but this is  considered "normal." 

Normal amongst whom? I just can't understand it.

[DragonFaerie]

6 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Technically, sentences can end with either a period, a question mark, or an exclamation point; that said, Mechelle's use of exclamation points was sheer overkill for someone who tends to be detached from children.

How does one exclaim (!) in that quiet baby voice of J'chelle's?

[LilJen]

That was really generic. He's sweet, he's learning a lot, he's growing up. Big whoop. (Not criticizing the kid, but the grandparents' generic, distant, robotic response to his existence.)

Edited June 4, 2018 by LilJen

[Temperance]

1 hour ago, Farmfam said:

This is common. I'm in my mid thirties and I swear each day is a birthday or milestone tribute on SM to children that don't have or aren't old enough to see it themselves. So much to snark on, but this is  considered "normal." 

Preach! 

[awaken]

Of course, he has a sweet, precious spirit. And he’s learning new things “each and everyday”.  

[Jynnan tonnix]

10 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

How does one exclaim (!) in that quiet baby voice of J'chelle's?

It goes up another octave.

[Albanyguy]

15 hours ago, awaken said:

Of course, he has a sweet, precious spirit. And he’s learning new things “each and everyday”.  

Yes, but does he have a servant's heart?

[GeeGolly]

19 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

Normal amongst whom? I just can't understand it.

Someone on FB just posted a zillion pics with a long post of how "proud" they were of their child graduating.

 

Graduating nursery school. The kid is 5.

Edited June 4, 2018 by GeeGolly

[DragonFaerie]

WTH????  Nursery school, seriously?

[xwordfanatik]

18 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Someone on FB just posted a zillion pics with a long post of how "proud" they were of their child graduating.

 

Graduating nursery school. The kid is 5.

Exactly the reason I'm seldom on social media sites.  There's just too much bragging and putting all of life's moments "out there."

I'm just an old lady that didn't grow up with that shit, and feel very uncomfortable "sharing" every damned little doodie.  

It's all bullshit, and it's bad for ya.  Thank you Georgie!

[MamaMax]

2 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

Yes, but does he have a servant's heart?

Naw, still too young and evil.  Per Uncle Derrick anyway.

[Christina87]

I really feel like I can describe the personalities of my pet birds in a million times more detail than J'chelle can with her kids or grandkids!!! One is sensitive and observant, one is kind and accommodating, one enjoys solitude and makes her own fun wherever she goes, one helps his girlfriend with everything she needs, and one is feisty and adventurous. That is way more detail than I've ever seen from them!!!

[doodlebug]

2 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

WTH????  Nursery school, seriously?

Heck, I've seen parents celebrating their kid's 'graduation' from Safety Town.  I wish they'd do us all a favor and send that stuff privately to grandparents and leave the rest of us out of it.

[irisheyes]

I take last day of school pics and post them on FB, but it’s one pic per kid, and most of our family lives far away. Usually it comes with the caption “Ready for Summer!” (Cause we are. ?)

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

Heck, I've seen parents celebrating their kid's 'graduation' from Safety Town.  I wish they'd do us all a favor and send that stuff privately to grandparents and leave the rest of us out of it.

I have very fond memories of Safety Town and driving that big wheel around the street signs almost 34 years later.  I would love to see some pics from other kids enjoying it.

[DragonFaerie]

55 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

I take last day of school pics and post them on FB, but it’s one pic per kid, and most of our family lives far away. Usually it comes with the caption “Ready for Summer!” (Cause we are. ?)

I had an old friend that between hers, his and ours had 7 kids.  She would write on the back window of the minivan at the start of the school year - It's the most happiest time of the year.  Then in the windows she would write each kids initials and the last 2 digits of the year they would graduate high school.  LOL

[bigskygirl]

I need to stop watching Designing Women on youtube. I was watching one episode where Anthony was freaking out about helping Mary Jo. Someone had brought up the fact about men in stressful high profile jobs out and spending money on sexual fantasies. The one fantasy mentioned involved  having another person putting a diaper on and being spanked by the man for being naughty. My first thought was Smuggly Do Rite wanting to do something like this.
 

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I need to stop watching Designing Women on youtube. I was watching one episode where Anthony was freaking out about helping Mary Jo. Someone had brought up the fact about men in stressful high profile jobs out and spending money on sexual fantasies. The one fantasy mentioned involved  having another person putting a diaper on and being spanked by the man for being naughty. My first thought was Smuggly Do Rite wanting to do something like this.
 

I think you can rest easy and abandon this suspicion. I have it on good authority (books, psychologists, and sex workers including a couple of dominatrixes) that it's generally successful, accomplished, driven, high-powered people who crave this. For them it's stress relief, it appears -- letting somebody else take the reins when they never do that in daily life. 

Somebody who's pretty much fallen all the way to the bottom of life's totem pole like Smuggar is way more likely to crave punching people out or the like, I gather. For him, the stress comes from being the bottom daily. So relief from stress would more likely come from being the one who pushes others around..........

We have some evidence of this from the word of whatshername the sex-show woman. Although I still doubt that he was nearly the forceful scary dominant she claims. He's a big weenie and also physically soft as a marshmallow as far as I can tell....So I suspect he'd act out aggression but probably (and luckily) wouldn't be very successful at it. 

Edited June 7, 2018 by Churchhoney

[kokapetl]

On 05/06/2018 at 1:59 AM, Albanyguy said:

Yes, but does he have a servant's heart?

Yes, does he say “thank you sir, may I have another?”

[Minivanessa]

Isn't it past time for Anna to be pregnant again? How are Josh's parents going to have 100 or 200 grandchildren if their kids are such slackers?

[Nysha]

I don't anticipate Anna announcing another pregnancy until Mason is 12-16 months old. Her children are roughly 2 years apart. 

[Heathen]

3 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I don't anticipate Anna announcing another pregnancy until Mason is 12-16 months old. Her children are roughly 2 years apart. 

Hopefully, Smuggar's testicles will shrivel and fall off before they conceive #6 (actually, #7 since Ofsmuggar claims to have had a miscarriage between Mackynzie and Michael). 

[ginger90]

[Normades]

I've always thought Michael was really cute! I hope he has a lovely birthday!

[DragonFaerie]

Wait, he doesn't have a servant's heart????

[Rabbittron]

14 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

Wait, he doesn't have a servant's heart????

 sorry but servant's heart is only for females.

[Heathen]

Ah, the seventh anniversary of Smuggar's nap while Ofsmuggar labored with Dr. Jill and Miss Teresa at her cervix, and of course the legendary toilet birth. @@

[queenanne]

4 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

 sorry but servant's heart is only for females.

Exactly. No way is the eldest BOY going to be saddled with the "servant's heart".  He has to go out and be a proactive go-getter supporting all the other brothers and sisters.  Start 'em early!

[BitterApple]

13 hours ago, Normades said:

I've always thought Michael was really cute! I hope he has a lovely birthday!

Josh and Anna make really cute kids, I agree.

[Minivanessa]

On 6/15/2018 at 10:01 AM, Nysha said:

I don't anticipate Anna announcing another pregnancy until Mason is 12-16 months old. Her children are roughly 2 years apart. 

How old is Mason now? Is Mason male or female? Has Anna popped out more helpmeets than future headships so far? 

[Nysha]

Mason is a 9-month-old boy. Anna has 2 future helpmeets and 3 future headships. I anticipate a new baby in a year to 18 months.

[Minivanessa]

Thanks. It will be interesting to see when the next baby arrives. I pay just enough attention to the Smuggars to have an idea that Anna is all into competing with Michelle as to pumping out the babies, but Smugs himself is over that.

[Heathen]

3 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Thanks. It will be interesting to see when the next baby arrives. I pay just enough attention to the Smuggars to have an idea that Anna is all into competing with Michelle as to pumping out the babies, but Smugs himself is over that.

Smuggar was over it by the third kid. He was visibly happy when Mackynzie was born, less so but still excited when Michael was born, and onto "not this shit again" when Marcus came along. 

In some ways, I feel sorry for Smuggar. Yes, he's a molester and cheater, but in many ways he is a product of his limited environment. I'm sure he feels he has no choice but to continue impregnating Ofsmuggar, who clearly wants a zillion kids. 

Edited June 16, 2018 by Heathen

[Normades]

4 hours ago, Heathen said:

Smuggar was over it by the third kid. He was visibly happy when Mackynzie was born, less so but still excited when Michael was born, and onto "not this shit again" when Marcus came along. 

In some ways, I feel sorry for Smuggar. Yes, he's a molester and cheater, but in many ways he is a product of his limited environment. I'm sure he feels he has no choice but to continue impregnating Ofsmuggar, who clearly wants a zillion kids. 

yes, I also feel some sympathy for him.  I hold his parents much more responsible for the molestation than I do him.  I wish he would break free, file for divorce, and write a tell all. I think he could do pretty well with one.  Then maybe he could get the education he was denied and have a career in law that he seemed to want. 

[awaken]

22 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

Wait, he doesn't have a servant's heart????

And god doesn’t have something in store for his future?  

[bigskygirl]

17 minutes ago, Normades said:

yes, I also feel some sympathy for him.  I hold his parents much more responsible for the molestation than I do him.  I wish he would break free, file for divorce, and write a tell all. I think he could do pretty well with one.  Then maybe he could get the education he was denied and have a career in law that he seemed to want. 

He would have to get off his lazy behind for this to happen, and I do not see it happening anytime soon. And yes, his parents should be hold some of the responsible for the molestation, but there are millions of kids (myself included) who were abused and neglected who did not take out their anger and frustration on their siblings or other people. Their have been men who had crappy childhoods who did not molest their sisters or other female relatives and hide behind their parents and God in order to make excuses for their bad actions.

[Absolom]

Law school with Josh was always just talk.  He's never had the ability, drive, or persistance to prepare for or attend law school.

[Normades]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

He would have to get off his lazy behind for this to happen, and I do not see it happening anytime soon. And yes, his parents should be hold some of the responsible for the molestation, but there are millions of kids (myself included) who were abused and neglected who did not take out their anger and frustration on their siblings or other people. Their have been men who had crappy childhoods who did not molest their sisters or other female relatives and hide behind their parents and God in order to make excuses for their bad actions.

You are absolutely correct. Many survivors of abuse do not victimize others, however I do feel empathy for Josh because he was also a child who was being abused in his own way. What he chose to do was horrific, but for me the lion's share of the blame lies with his parents. I am unfortunately very familiar with abuse from my own experiences, but I do feel some empathy for Josh as well as his sister's. JimBoob and MEscelle were the adults that created the situation. YMMV.

[LillyB]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

Law school with Josh was always just talk.  He's never had the ability, drive, or persistance to prepare for or attend law school.

I think that the ability, drive and persistance have been trained out of him along with the ability to have an independant thought. I think Boob and Mullet ruined him for the rest of his life.

[bigskygirl]

11 hours ago, Normades said:

You are absolutely correct. Many survivors of abuse do not victimize others, however I do feel empathy for Josh because he was also a child who was being abused in his own way. What he chose to do was horrific, but for me the lion's share of the blame lies with his parents. I am unfortunately very familiar with abuse from my own experiences, but I do feel some empathy for Josh as well as his sister's. JimBoob and MEscelle were the adults that created the situation. YMMV.

In my opinion, I think Josh would have turned out the same way except for molesting his sisters even if he had a decent childhood, decent parents, and less siblings. He thinks he is God's gift to the universe and no woman outside his family can resist him. His the devil made him do it and I am more worried about disappointing God speaks volumes. Of course, he does get a lot of it from JB who I think is the worse example of how a man and father should act.

[galaxychaser]

I’m disappointed that the names aren’t spelled 

Mykael 

Maysen 

Merydif 

Murckus 

 

to to go along with mackinzee 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

In my opinion, I think Josh would have turned out the same way except for molesting his sisters even if he had a decent childhood, decent parents, and less siblings. He thinks he is God's gift to the universe and no woman outside his family can resist him. His the devil made him do it and I am more worried about disappointing God speaks volumes. Of course, he does get a lot of it from JB who I think is the worse example of how a man and father should act.

I see Josh as someone who suffers from Impostor Syndrome. His parents praised him as the Godly oldest son. Josh has had normal "sinful" thoughts that most children have which probably had him thinking he failed his parents from the first time he thought of stealing a cookie. He also probably felt he couldn't manage the car lot, living away from his parents, or working for FRAC.

I in no way give him a pass on what he did to his sisters, but I don't think Josh really believes he is all that. I think Josh knows who he is and feels he has never measured up and might even think he's damned no matter what he does.

[bigskygirl]

7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I see Josh as someone who suffers from Impostor Syndrome. His parents praised him as the Godly oldest son. Josh has had normal "sinful" thoughts that most children have which probably had him thinking he failed his parents from the first time he thought of stealing a cookie. He also probably felt he couldn't manage the car lot, living away from his parents, or working for FRAC.

I in no way give him a pass on what he did to his sisters, but I don't think Josh really believes he is all that. I think Josh knows who he is and feels he has never measured up and might even think he's damned no matter what he does.

True, but I still think he would be an ass no matter what.

[madpsych78]

6 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I see Josh as someone who suffers from Impostor Syndrome. His parents praised him as the Godly oldest son. Josh has had normal "sinful" thoughts that most children have which probably had him thinking he failed his parents from the first time he thought of stealing a cookie. He also probably felt he couldn't manage the car lot, living away from his parents, or working for FRAC.

I in no way give him a pass on what he did to his sisters, but I don't think Josh really believes he is all that. I think Josh knows who he is and feels he has never measured up and might even think he's damned no matter what he does.

ITA. Josh has made some horrible mistakes that not even his brothers have made...including touching a 5-year-old girl. (Plus, he did not touch Jana, who is closest to him in age.) The aftermath of his mistakes are all on his parents since Josh was a minor. 

IMHO, the cheating on Anna is bad, but not as bad as what he did when younger if that makes sense. For one thing, it's not illegal. Second, there's no evidence that he forced himself on any other women. It's also not unusual to cheat when one is in an unhappy marriage and doesn't know how to communicate with his/her spouse - especially in a world where one must "keep sweet." It's not Anna's fault that Josh cheated, but I also do not believe that he is genuinely in love with her compared to the way that other Duggar sons and sons-in-laws have acted towards their significant others. He's staying with her out of Godly duty at this point. 

Also, I think it's telling that, unlike Derick, Josh has generally stayed off of social media - not even to sell his cars! I'm not exactly sure what the lack of social media exposure means, but I just feel like if Josh were more narcissistic, he would have as much of an online presence as he did prior to the scandals coming out.

[bigskygirl]

In my opinion, if Josh really does love Anna, he would not have cheated on her in the first place. He would sit down with her and be totally honest about how many kids he wanted in the first place instead of feeding her have babies fetish she seems to have. He admit he might have some serious issues and get real help instead of what the Duggars clan considers counseling. If he is not happy being married and having kids right and left, he could cut the ties instead of keep dragging Anna and the kids down with him.

And Josh is saying off social media because he has been put on a short leash by JB. He is being narcissistic when he thought he was a big man by calling out others for their so-called sins while he was hiding the fact he molested his own sisters more than once and cheating on his own wife and thinking he could get away with it. Of course, he cries fowl when his dirty nasty secrets are brought to light. He flies a lawsuit because *gasp* people have found out what an scumbag ass he really is, and instantly thinks he is a victim instead of facing reality of what he did and why it was wrong to hurt others. In otherwords, he is a narcissistic creep.

[Vaysh]

Josh was never really in love with Anna, imo. A crush maybe, and he might have come to appreciate her as the mother of his children, but love? Nah. She was a solution to a problem, both to Josh (cure to lack of sex) and Josh's parents (give child-molesting son human sex-toy to avoid him preying on his sisters).

I also don't think that these people are ever able to be completely honest with each other, even when in private. They are so used to having someone watching over their shoulders, so trained in keeping up appearences, that honesty is virtually impossible if it in any way goes against the beliefs they were indoctrinated with. If you listen to them talking and see how they express themselves in writing, easily half of their speech is made up of thought-terminating clichés.

For either Josh or Anna to be able to have an honest conversation about themselves, their wants, and their wishes for the future, they would need therapy. Secular therapy with a trained professional, not some pastor telling them to pray harder and read the Bible for the umpteenth time. And that will simply never happen. They are well and truly buggered.

[satrunrose]

From what I've seen of the marriages of most of the kids who have been born into Gothardism, I doubt many of them love their spouses in a way that the dating and living together world understands. There are exceptions, like some of the Bateses and, I sometimes hope, Jinge and Jeremy, but I don't think Smugger is unique in not being "in love" with his spouse  or not having the kind of relationship where you could discuss whether God may not want you to have baby after baby on the toilet. 

[DragonFaerie]

9 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

ITA. Josh has made some horrible mistakes that not even his brothers have made...including touching a 5-year-old girl. (Plus, he did not touch Jana, who is closest to him in age.) The aftermath of his mistakes are all on his parents since Josh was a minor. 

Part of me has always wondered how Jana escaped his notice and I have a thought.  Josh gets up late at night to go to the bathroom.  Ma and Pa are asleep or working on making another blessing.  Jana is the only up still up as she throws more laundry in the washer and scrubs the casserole dish from burned tater tot casserole while taking care of a colicky baby and then Josh hits the girl's room on his way back to bed to fondle his sisters.  Jana's too tired to notice and with only 2 bathrooms, I'm sure folks are constantly going to and fro from it.