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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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doodlebug

Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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YES!! PTL!!!!

And just imagine TFDW would be in there somehow preaching how wonderful it is to be married to your best friend and looking for a hooker is bad, very, very bad, etc. lol I would pay to be there just to see the shit show go down in real time.

Excellent Fuzzysox! Of course! I committed a sin of omission by not mentioning TFDW...perhaps he can also do the decorating and maybe start a Jeebus glee club...while poor simple Prissy looks up at him with the "Gothard Gaze"...PTL! Edited by Arwen Evenstar
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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

That is true. Josh could be hidden in Duggarvile until the new episodes air.

I just think that is too risky for Jim Bob. He is a controlling person. Josh BURNED Jim Bob pretty badly and Jim Bob isn't going to forget that. Joshie proved to be slippery with no conscience. Seriously, if I was Jim Bob, I would NOT take him home until the specials aired. Of course...Duggars & critical thinking skills don't go together. Joshie isn't trust worthy.

I would LOVE to know what Jim Bob and Michelle say privately about Josh.

Maybe he is being dumped into another rehab?

I wonder too, about JB's & M's private conversations. Are those also filled with prayer and bible verses? Or do they get mad and talk like regular folk? I just can't imagine them saying something like "That damn kid, what was he thinking?!" Have they brainwashed themselves to where they no longer can think or talk without Gothard speak?

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

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Maybe they caught him in the broom closet with someone - courtesy of Satan, of course - and he had to be booted out pronto. Unclean! Unclean!

Maybe Smuggs was caught in the closet with himself and was observed touching himself in an unclean manner? I can only imagine what that closet has seen! Now envision a hand in a rubber glove carrying a bottle of Clorox.... Edited by Arwen Evenstar
Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

And this is why I think that Josh is still there, with no intention of leaving before his scheduled release date. In their world, Josh and his parents are VIPs and I'm sure he's been handled with kid gloves right from the start. He's probably getting all kinds of special privileges: a private room, exemption from work detail, all the potato chips and ice cream he wants, etc. He has a nice, cushy place to hide from a world that has become very cold and hostile towards him. He's probably quite comfortable there and is dreading the day when he'll have to return to the bosom of his family.

 

Oops, I said "bosom". NIKE!

I agree with Albanyguy. IF Smugs left, it was because Boob wanted him out, not due to anything he may have done on the inside. As was posted upthread, he can recite bible verses verbatim, standing on his head, gargling nails. Doing time in bible jail would likely be much preferred to the real world right now, even if the "real world" just consisted of his immediate family. And for crying out loud, keep him away from Dillon King. That guy wants to kick Smug's ass! LOL

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

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I loathe Josh Duggar's fat, smug, smarmy hypocritical ass. Loathed it in its teenage form and now. However, I feel for him right now because, just like always, his biggest problem is his disgusting, arrogant, incredibly stupid and ignorant parents.

When he was a teenager, they knocked themselves out proving to the world that the deeply sick molestation problem in their house was a mere nothing, thus setting their effed-up kid up for an even more effed-up adolescence and young adulthood than he might have had had they dealt with that problem as was required. And now they're taking the opposite tack, sending him into some sort of bizarre exile over the Ashley Madison crap that was, comparatively, nothing at all. Millions of people were exposed in that Ashley Madison hack. So I wonder how many of them anybody even remembers as having been involved? How many are being subjected to some kind of bizarre life ruin by their families? How many are now widely considered unemployable and virtually untouchable, by many in the public? How many were locked away doing six-month stints in ridiculous "addiction" bible camps that certainly accomplish nothing but driving their residents a little farther over the edge? And, once again, just like when Josh was a teen, all so Jim Bob and Michelle, two of the world's worst people, can preserve their cash flow via their "family brand." First they made a molehill out of Mt. Everest. Now they're making Mt. Everest out of a molehill. Everything JB and M touch goes ass-backwards. I can't believe I'm sorry for Josh, given what a jerk he is, but I am.

Bravo! Well done, Churchie! Like I similarly commented before....Boob is scratching his head wondering HOW following all those Wisdom Booklets led to such an epic failure on all levels. Actually, he's not scratching his head...he's got that puzzled look of a gorilla that scratches his ass and then sniffs his finger in bewilderment...

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Purpose to defraud

Purpose to defraud

That is true. Josh could be hidden in Duggarvile until the new episodes air.

I just think that is too risky for Jim Bob. He is a controlling person. Josh BURNED Jim Bob pretty badly and Jim Bob isn't going to forget that. Joshie proved to be slippery with no conscience. Seriously, if I was Jim Bob, I would NOT take him home until the specials aired. Of course...Duggars & critical thinking skills don't go together. Joshie isn't trust worthy.

I would LOVE to know what Jim Bob and Michelle say privately about Josh.

Maybe he is being dumped into another rehab?

Funny, Josh has always been untrustworthy, or at least since his teens. He was allowed to stay when he was victimizing young girls, but now that the brand is in danger, he's out. Priorities.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

Funny, Josh has always been untrustworthy, or at least since his teens. He was allowed to stay when he was victimizing young girls, but now that the brand is in danger, he's out. Priorities.

 

Hi! We're Michelle and JIm Bob Duggar! We have 19 children and six grandbabies! And we don't give a flying fart for any one of them!

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

Excellent Fuzzysox! Of course! I committed a sin of omission by not mentioning TFDW...perhaps he can also do the decorating and maybe start a Jeebus glee club...while poor simple Prissy looks up at him with the "Gothard Gaze"...PTL!

LOL Jeebus glee club!!

 

Duggar Jeebus Rehab facility will be all about:

 

Loving Jesus: Bin will minister

Overcoming being a huge sinner: Josh preaches being smug and loving Jeebus

Hard work leads to Jesus: Boob getting free labor in the name of Jeebus

Singing for the Lord: TFDW and his Jeebus glee club

Finding your perfect helpmet: Kellers will preach on their form of Christian matchmaking

Looking pretty to be able to trap a nice Christian boy: Jessa, Erin Bates and Prissy!

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Absolom

Absolom

I think for Josh losing the public presentation part of his life may be the most painful part of the aftermath.  He doesn't appear to have been brought up with any concept of what most of us view as a normal life.  He's going to have to wrap his mind around that before there is any hope of him moving forward.

 

I love that Meredith was shown in jeans. 

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Mrs. P.

Mrs. P.

More bad publicity for the Duggar brand...

The complainant is going to have difficulty prevailing in this lawsuit, IMO. Unless she filed a police report after the incidents, there's not going to be any proof of the battery. I imagine her attorney filed the complaint in anticipation of settling with the Duggars, knowing that they would want the whole thing go away as quickly as possible.

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JoanArc

JoanArc

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This will be like Victim #5, a lawsuit for money. Not that there's anything wrong with that. She can't bleed JB dry, and Josh likely has no assets. Counting On premiers in what, 2-3 weeks? Not good for Jessa and Jill.

 

Josh went to strip clubs. Many times. Lol.

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Lemur

Lemur

This will be like Victim #5, a lawsuit for money. Not that there's anything wrong with that. She can't bleed JB dry, and Josh likely has no assets. Counting On premiers in what, 2-3 weeks? Not good for Jessa and Jill.

 

Josh went to strip clubs. Many times. Lol.

 

Civil suits aren't necessarily for money.  A lot of times, it's because they cannot pursue criminal charges due to prosecutors not believing the case is strong enough to stand up to the scrutiny of defense, a statute of limitations has passed, and various other factors.  That said, I do think this one is for money.  I think Victim #5 is a mix of money and justice.  But then again, porn stars make pretty damned good money.  It could just be sheer vindictiveness.

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iwadrade

iwadrade

I'll play devils advocate. Danica may have not felt traumatised by the event until some time had passed since the incident. Sex crimes can be very confusing since pleasure can be mixed with pain. I wish she did have a strong case so Josh would receive punishment for all the harm he has done to women. She could also just want the money as well. Either way, I don't feel bad for Joshy at all.

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JenCarroll

JenCarroll

If Josh didn't waive service of process, this lawsuit is a good reason for him to remain in an undisclosed location instead of heading back to Arkansas. They'll have to find him and serve him with the lawsuit. (Unless PA has some rule to the contrary - I'm speaking from my experience in another state.)

 

IMO this is a nuisance garbage lawsuit. The plaintiff wants publicity and maybe they think the Duggs will settle to keep things quiet.

Isn't there a rule that, after a reasonable effort has been made to locate the defendant, you can just publish the summons? I don't know for sure; this didn't come up much in my work as a lawyer.

But yeah, I think the Complaint is probably garbage. I wonder if she already attempted to get an unofficial settlement, like from Michelle and JB, or if she went straight to the lawsuit. It's possible that she attempted to contact the family and they refused to talk to her.

Seems like a lot more stress on poor Anna.

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Lemur

Lemur

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Isn't there a rule that, after a reasonable effort has been made to locate the defendant, you can just publish the summons? I don't know for sure; this didn't come up much in my work as a lawyer.

But yeah, I think the Complaint is probably garbage. I wonder if she already attempted to get an unofficial settlement, like from Michelle and JB, or if she went straight to the lawsuit. It's possible that she attempted to contact the family and they refused to talk to her.

Seems like a lot more stress on poor Anna.

 

Again, not a lawyer, haven't passed the bar in PA.  My understanding is that you can't just publish in PA.  It's a commonwealth, not a state, and thus has some quirky laws on the books about your right to face your accuser and still has some pretty archaic service of process laws. The accuser can serve by mail, but if the accused does not sign a receipt that they received the writ of complaint, it "doesn't count".  So if Josh simply never picks up his certified mail, he can't served by mail that way.

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Aja

Aja

In no way to I want to minimize abuse suffered by sex workers at the hands of douchenozzles like Josh Duggar, but this does seem pretty opportunistic to me. Having said THAT, the girl may be slimy, but I'm glad to see someone is fighting the Duggars at their own low, slimy level. Hit them where they live, I say. Obviously sex and morality scandals coming out of their asses isn't enough to shut them up, so maybe taking what matters to them most will.

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

Is it just me, or do other women think that Josh is a simple take out with a simple punch to his Krispy Kreme face or a great knee to his oh so baby producing privates?

 

Not meaning to go against anyone that suffers actual abuse- but something screams money grab in this to me.   I'm thinking this is a Gold Duggar. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

Is it just me, or do other women think that Josh is a simple take out with a simple punch to his Krispy Kreme face or a great knee to his oh so baby producing privates?

 

Not meaning to go against anyone that suffers actual abuse- but something screams money grab in this to me.   I'm thinking this is a Gold Duggar. 

 

To me, even more than a money grab, it seems like a "keep me in the news" grab. All along, everything this woman has done -- including what I see (but I know that others don't see) as her exaggerated description of how scary and threatening she found Josh -- has looked to me like a big advertising campaign to get her name and picture out there in places where it's never been before. And it certainly has worked. Not that she didn't suffer anything from this incident. I'm sure  it was quite unpleasant. But, among other things, she awfully conveniently has had lots of pictures of herself -- many conducive to getting her more male views and potentially more work and a higher salary -- to hand over to magazines so that articles about her plight ended up being major pr opportunities to boost her career as a sexpot.

 

That said, I don't have a problem with that in this case. As Aja mentioned above, it's wonderfully ironic and quite fitting to me that somebody else with a massive hunger to claw her way into the media and reap the accompanying monetary rewards is doing it and potentially besting the Duggars at their own long-played game. I think it's great that another media whore is dragging an in-this-case unwilling Duggar clan into the media spotlight in one of the extremely rare instances in which they would rather not be there.

 

It's a battle of the famewhore Titans, I think, and if it weren't for Anna and the kids, I'd really really love it. .... I do feel very bad for the kids. And bad for Anna, too. Although I must say that once you've enthusiastically embraced the chance to marry an untreated and unpunished serial child molester just a few years after the fact (as she has said she did, although who knows how truthfully....) then you probably don't have a whole lot of room to claim surprise when he continues to act out sexually in unfortunate ways.

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WescottF1

WescottF1

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I was just looking at RU Rockford's Facebook page.  One of the items they posted a couple months ago is about a recently deceased fellow who was once "one of Rockford's biggest drug dealers" and was reformed through them.

 

I just asked a close relative of said fellow (who is also one of my closest friends) if that was true.  He said he knew his relative was a user but there was never a mention of him dealing.  In fact, the scumbags he considered his "friends" would only be around when his SS and disability checks arrived so they could sponge off him until the money ran out.  Then they'd all vanish for the next few weeks until more checks came.  Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

Rockford's got a serious drug problem and I would imagine their biggest dealers are flush with money 24/7.  Not real surprised that RU would embellish a story like that to make themselves look "good".

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IndianPaintbrush

IndianPaintbrush

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I think the lawsuit is nothing but a money grab.

Seconded.  She is going to have a tough time explaining why she agreed to have sex with him a second time if the first incident was so "traumatizing."  Gotta give her lawyer credit though, Josh will undoubtedly want to settle this quickly and quietly.

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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Ms Dillon did do a ton of porn, 100-160 films/scenes including (porn terminology in spoiler)

anal double penetration scenes, "cum swapping" and in general, lots of anal scenes

, and she's 28, and 25 year olds are considered MILFs, i.e. over the hill, in the porn industry, so her career could've dried up due to that fact alone. I'm not a lawyer or a psychiatrist, but her job was to routinely perform anal sex, It's gonna be hard to prove that despite all that, what Josh did was the worst of all that she's experienced.

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

In no way to I want to minimize abuse suffered by sex workers at the hands of douchenozzles like Josh Duggar, but this does seem pretty opportunistic to me. Having said THAT, the girl may be slimy, but I'm glad to see someone is fighting the Duggars at their own low, slimy level. Hit them where they live, I say. Obviously sex and morality scandals coming out of their asses isn't enough to shut them up, so maybe taking what matters to them most will.

ITA once the girl woke up and discovered who Josh really was the  "suffering" became a thing. She was already in that line of work. What he did or didn't shouldn't have been a great shock to her. 

 

As for Josh, I think Boob threw him into Jesus camp now because he was warned that the lawsuits would be coming. What better way to say to the world FU my son is working on fixing himself now lay off while I hide his assets.

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Mollie

Mollie

I don't know if this woman's story is true, but I have no problem believing that Joshie frequented strip clubs (a rumor we've heard many tines) and paid money for sex. At least Ashley Madison was legal. Paying for sex...not so much.

Paying for sex is illegal in Pennsylvania, where the encounters happened.  I don't know how her attorney will skirt that issue.

 

Anyway, the Duggar family is really screwed right now and dozens of baby pictures aren't going to take the focus off of this new Josh scandal.  I don't think Josh has $500,000 dollars in assets and I don't think Jim Bob would liquidate any of his assets to pay off Josh's hooker.  Besides that, what good would it do to pay hush money if the story had already been published?

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Joe Jitsu913

Joe Jitsu913

I think the Duggars are arrogant (read: dumb) enough to fight this lawsuit. Not that I think this will go very far, but I can't see Jim Blob giving up without a fight either. Money is their God. Either way, they will end up paying to make this go away or end up paying out the ass in attorney's fees.

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SpottedCoachDog

SpottedCoachDog

How much more skeevy can this all get? I realize Anna will never leave because she's a spineless nincompoop for Christ, but I hate the message it sends her kids. People talk even in fundie circles no doubt and they'll learn the whole sordid story. The boys are learning that you can humiliate the mother of your children and she will take it with a smile. The girls are learning Jesus doormat 101. I can't imagine how awful it would be so uninformed and uneducated that you wouldn't run screaming to a divorce lawyer.

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JoanArc

JoanArc

 

Although I must say that once you've enthusiastically embraced the chance to marry an untreated and unpunished serial child molester just a few years after the fact (as she has said she did, although who knows how truthfully....) then you probably don't have a whole lot of room to claim surprise when he continues to act out sexually in unfortunate ways.

I'm glad I'm not the ony one who remembers this. Anna has my sympathy, but by her own admission she married a molester.

 

 

Paying for sex is illegal in Pennsylvania, where the encounters happened.  I don't know how her attorney will skirt that issue.

Men usually pay for the woman's company, or time, not sex. The sex is just supposed to be a freebie that just happens. It's how you can legally call yourself an escort, not a prostitute.

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

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Honestly, making light of a situation that would not be as much of a situation, if they were not so DUGGAR - 

 

A little illegitimate Janica Duggar! (spawn of Josh of course!) What in the world would JB and MEchelle do with an IL grandchild?  Probably about as much as they do with the others- nothing. 

 

ETA:  Again, poor Anna. Run fast!

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Are defendants awarded costs in civil litigation in America?

I think you have to request the costs as part of the lawsuit.

 

I wonder if they will settle. It is already public, and cases of sexual assault are hard to prove anyway. A lot of he said/she said. Even with a physical exam the question of consensual or forced sex is often hard to prove. I think if it went to trial, the question of timing would come into play too; did she decide to sue after the AM scandal broke and she saw deep pockets?

 

If she was only after money and not publicity, I would think there would have been closed door meetings and non-disclosure forms involved.

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whydoiwatch

whydoiwatch

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If any of the Duggars had ever shown an ounce of true humility during this whole mess it would be easier to have some compassion for them now. While I believe the lawsuit is a money grabbing attempt, I still  am not sorry they are having to deal with it.

 

For many years now the Duggars have flaunted their perceived superiority. Their feigned shock at Josh's behavior was insulting. Had Boob and Googly Eyes taken proper steps during the molestations, perhaps even admitted to mistakes, I could be sympathetic. 

 

Anna has stated she knew about Josh's past prior to marrying him. I will take her at her word. I don't care how she was raised or how pressured she was to marry - what an idiot move. It was obvious from their courting scenes that Anna really thought she hit the jackpot with the fundy royalty that was Josh Duggar. Once the M's started arriving, Anna was quick to talk about her marriage, motherhood, etc like she was some kind of expert. I always saw her as ignorant, condescending and unkempt. While Josh's betrayal was unacceptable, apparently Anna is going to live with it. 

 

Boob and Meeeeechelle are reprehensible. It is all about the money for them. If there is any distress on their part concerning this lawsuit, it is the potential for it to cost them money.  Regardless of the outcome, I hope they have to sweat it out for awhile.

 

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JoanArc

JoanArc

http://www.etonline.com/news/176356_teenage_josh_duggar_computer_allegedly_had_porn_on_it/

 

 

"A Duggar family member once bought a computer from Josh and found explicit porn saved on the computer," the source says. "They went to discuss what they found with [his father] Jim Bob and were told, 'Not my son. It must have been on the computer before he got it.'"

Lol. Jim Bob's covered for Josh his whole life. I'm surprised he didn't high five Josh over his slyness. And, once again, Josh sucked at covering his tracks.

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