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Is it just me, or do other women think that Josh is a simple take out with a simple punch to his Krispy Kreme face or a great knee to his oh so baby producing privates?

 

Not meaning to go against anyone that suffers actual abuse- but something screams money grab in this to me.   I'm thinking this is a Gold Duggar. 

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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Is it just me, or do other women think that Josh is a simple take out with a simple punch to his Krispy Kreme face or a great knee to his oh so baby producing privates?

 

Not meaning to go against anyone that suffers actual abuse- but something screams money grab in this to me.   I'm thinking this is a Gold Duggar. 

 

To me, even more than a money grab, it seems like a "keep me in the news" grab. All along, everything this woman has done -- including what I see (but I know that others don't see) as her exaggerated description of how scary and threatening she found Josh -- has looked to me like a big advertising campaign to get her name and picture out there in places where it's never been before. And it certainly has worked. Not that she didn't suffer anything from this incident. I'm sure  it was quite unpleasant. But, among other things, she awfully conveniently has had lots of pictures of herself -- many conducive to getting her more male views and potentially more work and a higher salary -- to hand over to magazines so that articles about her plight ended up being major pr opportunities to boost her career as a sexpot.

 

That said, I don't have a problem with that in this case. As Aja mentioned above, it's wonderfully ironic and quite fitting to me that somebody else with a massive hunger to claw her way into the media and reap the accompanying monetary rewards is doing it and potentially besting the Duggars at their own long-played game. I think it's great that another media whore is dragging an in-this-case unwilling Duggar clan into the media spotlight in one of the extremely rare instances in which they would rather not be there.

 

It's a battle of the famewhore Titans, I think, and if it weren't for Anna and the kids, I'd really really love it. .... I do feel very bad for the kids. And bad for Anna, too. Although I must say that once you've enthusiastically embraced the chance to marry an untreated and unpunished serial child molester just a few years after the fact (as she has said she did, although who knows how truthfully....) then you probably don't have a whole lot of room to claim surprise when he continues to act out sexually in unfortunate ways.

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WescottF1

WescottF1

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I was just looking at RU Rockford's Facebook page.  One of the items they posted a couple months ago is about a recently deceased fellow who was once "one of Rockford's biggest drug dealers" and was reformed through them.

 

I just asked a close relative of said fellow (who is also one of my closest friends) if that was true.  He said he knew his relative was a user but there was never a mention of him dealing.  In fact, the scumbags he considered his "friends" would only be around when his SS and disability checks arrived so they could sponge off him until the money ran out.  Then they'd all vanish for the next few weeks until more checks came.  Lather, rinse, repeat. 

 

Rockford's got a serious drug problem and I would imagine their biggest dealers are flush with money 24/7.  Not real surprised that RU would embellish a story like that to make themselves look "good".

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IndianPaintbrush

IndianPaintbrush

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I think the lawsuit is nothing but a money grab.

Seconded.  She is going to have a tough time explaining why she agreed to have sex with him a second time if the first incident was so "traumatizing."  Gotta give her lawyer credit though, Josh will undoubtedly want to settle this quickly and quietly.

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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Ms Dillon did do a ton of porn, 100-160 films/scenes including (porn terminology in spoiler)

anal double penetration scenes, "cum swapping" and in general, lots of anal scenes

, and she's 28, and 25 year olds are considered MILFs, i.e. over the hill, in the porn industry, so her career could've dried up due to that fact alone. I'm not a lawyer or a psychiatrist, but her job was to routinely perform anal sex, It's gonna be hard to prove that despite all that, what Josh did was the worst of all that she's experienced.

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

In no way to I want to minimize abuse suffered by sex workers at the hands of douchenozzles like Josh Duggar, but this does seem pretty opportunistic to me. Having said THAT, the girl may be slimy, but I'm glad to see someone is fighting the Duggars at their own low, slimy level. Hit them where they live, I say. Obviously sex and morality scandals coming out of their asses isn't enough to shut them up, so maybe taking what matters to them most will.

ITA once the girl woke up and discovered who Josh really was the  "suffering" became a thing. She was already in that line of work. What he did or didn't shouldn't have been a great shock to her. 

 

As for Josh, I think Boob threw him into Jesus camp now because he was warned that the lawsuits would be coming. What better way to say to the world FU my son is working on fixing himself now lay off while I hide his assets.

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Mollie

Mollie

I don't know if this woman's story is true, but I have no problem believing that Joshie frequented strip clubs (a rumor we've heard many tines) and paid money for sex. At least Ashley Madison was legal. Paying for sex...not so much.

Paying for sex is illegal in Pennsylvania, where the encounters happened.  I don't know how her attorney will skirt that issue.

 

Anyway, the Duggar family is really screwed right now and dozens of baby pictures aren't going to take the focus off of this new Josh scandal.  I don't think Josh has $500,000 dollars in assets and I don't think Jim Bob would liquidate any of his assets to pay off Josh's hooker.  Besides that, what good would it do to pay hush money if the story had already been published?

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Joe Jitsu913

Joe Jitsu913

I think the Duggars are arrogant (read: dumb) enough to fight this lawsuit. Not that I think this will go very far, but I can't see Jim Blob giving up without a fight either. Money is their God. Either way, they will end up paying to make this go away or end up paying out the ass in attorney's fees.

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SpottedCoachDog

SpottedCoachDog

How much more skeevy can this all get? I realize Anna will never leave because she's a spineless nincompoop for Christ, but I hate the message it sends her kids. People talk even in fundie circles no doubt and they'll learn the whole sordid story. The boys are learning that you can humiliate the mother of your children and she will take it with a smile. The girls are learning Jesus doormat 101. I can't imagine how awful it would be so uninformed and uneducated that you wouldn't run screaming to a divorce lawyer.

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JoanArc

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Although I must say that once you've enthusiastically embraced the chance to marry an untreated and unpunished serial child molester just a few years after the fact (as she has said she did, although who knows how truthfully....) then you probably don't have a whole lot of room to claim surprise when he continues to act out sexually in unfortunate ways.

I'm glad I'm not the ony one who remembers this. Anna has my sympathy, but by her own admission she married a molester.

 

 

Paying for sex is illegal in Pennsylvania, where the encounters happened.  I don't know how her attorney will skirt that issue.

Men usually pay for the woman's company, or time, not sex. The sex is just supposed to be a freebie that just happens. It's how you can legally call yourself an escort, not a prostitute.

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

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Honestly, making light of a situation that would not be as much of a situation, if they were not so DUGGAR - 

 

A little illegitimate Janica Duggar! (spawn of Josh of course!) What in the world would JB and MEchelle do with an IL grandchild?  Probably about as much as they do with the others- nothing. 

 

ETA:  Again, poor Anna. Run fast!

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Are defendants awarded costs in civil litigation in America?

I think you have to request the costs as part of the lawsuit.

 

I wonder if they will settle. It is already public, and cases of sexual assault are hard to prove anyway. A lot of he said/she said. Even with a physical exam the question of consensual or forced sex is often hard to prove. I think if it went to trial, the question of timing would come into play too; did she decide to sue after the AM scandal broke and she saw deep pockets?

 

If she was only after money and not publicity, I would think there would have been closed door meetings and non-disclosure forms involved.

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whydoiwatch

whydoiwatch

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If any of the Duggars had ever shown an ounce of true humility during this whole mess it would be easier to have some compassion for them now. While I believe the lawsuit is a money grabbing attempt, I still  am not sorry they are having to deal with it.

 

For many years now the Duggars have flaunted their perceived superiority. Their feigned shock at Josh's behavior was insulting. Had Boob and Googly Eyes taken proper steps during the molestations, perhaps even admitted to mistakes, I could be sympathetic. 

 

Anna has stated she knew about Josh's past prior to marrying him. I will take her at her word. I don't care how she was raised or how pressured she was to marry - what an idiot move. It was obvious from their courting scenes that Anna really thought she hit the jackpot with the fundy royalty that was Josh Duggar. Once the M's started arriving, Anna was quick to talk about her marriage, motherhood, etc like she was some kind of expert. I always saw her as ignorant, condescending and unkempt. While Josh's betrayal was unacceptable, apparently Anna is going to live with it. 

 

Boob and Meeeeechelle are reprehensible. It is all about the money for them. If there is any distress on their part concerning this lawsuit, it is the potential for it to cost them money.  Regardless of the outcome, I hope they have to sweat it out for awhile.

 

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JoanArc

JoanArc

http://www.etonline.com/news/176356_teenage_josh_duggar_computer_allegedly_had_porn_on_it/

 

 

"A Duggar family member once bought a computer from Josh and found explicit porn saved on the computer," the source says. "They went to discuss what they found with [his father] Jim Bob and were told, 'Not my son. It must have been on the computer before he got it.'"

Lol. Jim Bob's covered for Josh his whole life. I'm surprised he didn't high five Josh over his slyness. And, once again, Josh sucked at covering his tracks.

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lafcolleen

lafcolleen

If they fight it, they'd probably win BUT Josh would have to go on record about this stuff, right?

I think you have nailed it. I'm going to assume that this is not a 100% cold blooded money grab. In other words, something happened that made her mad enough / hurt enough to take legal action.

But there are plenty of cases where there is a valid claim, but the money you can recover isn't enough for it to be worth a lawyer's time.

$500,000 is a lot of money. I see three possibilities:

1) whatever happened was serious enough to actually result in real costs to her. (Medical bills, lost wages, adverse impact on her ability to work etc) and her lawyer accordingly has strong negotiating leverage;

2) she's got no where near that level of damages and the someone has really unrealistic expectations about monwy damages; or

3) the damages claimed were designed to be high enough to avoid a quick settlement. In other words, plaintiff wants the case to stay alive because she is after something else.

Obviously there are other possibilities, but these seem most likely to me.

#3 is the most interesting to me. To really let my imigination run wild, what could she get other than money? (Settlements can contain any exchange that is otherwise legal - it doesn't have to be cold hard cash). I don't think Josh has much that would interest her.

So what else? The goal could be to force him to participate in discovery (like a deposition) about his various activities.

She could just be interested in humiliating him. But to really, really get into wild speculation - perhaps she was encouraged to file the suit by a tabloid interested in getting dirt directly from Josh?

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FakeJoshDuggar

FakeJoshDuggar

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I think you have nailed it. I'm going to assume that this is not a 100% cold blooded money grab. In other words, something happened that made her mad enough / hurt enough to take legal action.

But there are plenty of cases where there is a valid claim, but the money you can recover isn't enough for it to be worth a lawyer's time.

$500,000 is a lot of money. I see three possibilities:

1) whatever happened was serious enough to actually result in real costs to her. (Medical bills, lost wages, adverse impact on her ability to work etc) and her lawyer accordingly has strong negotiating leverage;

2) she's got no where near that level of damages and the someone has really unrealistic expectations about monwy damages; or

3) the damages claimed were designed to be high enough to avoid a quick settlement. In other words, plaintiff wants the case to stay alive because she is after something else.

Obviously there are other possibilities, but these seem most likely to me.

#3 is the most interesting to me. To really let my imigination run wild, what could she get other than money? (Settlements can contain any exchange that is otherwise legal - it doesn't have to be cold hard cash). I don't think Josh has much that would interest her.

So what else? The goal could be to force him to participate in discovery (like a deposition) about his various activities.

She could just be interested in humiliating him. But to really, really get into wild speculation - perhaps she was encouraged to file the suit by a tabloid interested in getting dirt directly from Josh?

I wonder what kind of backlash she has received since coming forward. The fundie crowd isn't as nice as they'd have you believe. Furthermore, there seems to be quite a buzz going on around Josh this week. The article about the flight details and weather conditions coming out a day before this lawsuit? They obviously knew it was coming. They've been given a heads up about every other article that's come out this year, minus the Ashley Madison scandal, for which I think caught them all of guard since it wasn't an investigative piece, just hackers. Edited by FakeJoshDuggar
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Mrs. P.

Mrs. P.

If they fight it, they'd probably win BUT Josh would have to go on record about this stuff, right?

This is the Duggars big problem. If they don't settle, they go to trial. With that comes discovery, including interrogatories which must be answered under oath. There will also be depositions, where nothing in Josh's past will be off the table. Josh, JimBob, and Michelle will have to answer every question, again under oath. I don't think they'll be willing to let all the dirty laundry come out.

I also wonder how this would impact any future the Duggars might have with TLC.

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NikSac

NikSac

 

Ugh do they really have to give this sleazeball MORE press?  I mean at least it's bad press, but honestly I'd rather see him totally ignored by the media.

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drafan

drafan

This is the Duggars big problem. If they don't settle, they go to trial. With that comes discovery, including interrogatories which must be answered under oath. There will also be depositions, where nothing in Josh's past will be off the table. Josh, JimBob, and Michelle will have to answer every question, again under oath. I don't think they'll be willing to let all the dirty laundry come out.

I also wonder how this would impact any future the Duggars might have with TLC.

 

Under oath??? Like that's any different??? They will blatantly lie to save their asses and, more importantly, the spin-off show. They've lied on TV...why would they stop now???? I bet Boob still thinks he's getting his original show back.

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FakeJoshDuggar

FakeJoshDuggar

Ugh do they really have to give this sleazeball MORE press? I mean at least it's bad press, but honestly I'd rather see him totally ignored by the media.

Yes, yes, yes. The Duggar Family thinks that if they bury their heads in the sand and ride out the public's short term memory, we'll forget. Nope. Let them continue swimming in bad press since they refuse to step away from reality television.

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Arwen Evenstar

Arwen Evenstar

What has always been so ironic to me is that the most vocal opponents of porn are also its largest consumers. Even Osama bin Laden's computer was found to be riddled wth porn

Smuggs is definitely a cautionary tale against an uber-repressed upbringing! it doesn't work.. the more forbidden something is...the more people want to do it...

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Wellfleet

Wellfleet

This is the Duggars big problem. If they don't settle, they go to trial. With that comes discovery, including interrogatories which must be answered under oath. There will also be depositions, where nothing in Josh's past will be off the table. Josh, JimBob, and Michelle will have to answer every question, again under oath. I don't think they'll be willing to let all the dirty laundry come out.

I also wonder how this would impact any future the Duggars might have with TLC.

 

Yes to all of this. In fact, I can't believe there isn't already some kind of a morality clause in the TLC contract. But then again, TLC doesn't seem to do business the way other networks do, so maybe they DON'T have that. However, I'd still like to hear TLC senior management explain why they bounced Honey Boo-Boo off within a day or two, yet continue to cling to the Duggars, despite all of Josh's issues and the continuing bad press they've been receiving - since people have begun taking a longer, deeper look at "America's biggest family."

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iwadrade

iwadrade

What has always been so ironic to me is that the most vocal opponents of porn are also its largest consumers. Even Osama bin Laden's computer was found to be riddled wth porn

Smuggs is definitely a cautionary tale against an uber-repressed upbringing! it doesn't work.. the more forbidden something is...the more people want to do it...

Agree! People that don't have an issue with  porn do not have their computers filled with it. A site or two in their search history not THOUSANDS of saved videos. Josh's computer must be filled to the brim. Yikes!

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Almost 3000

Almost 3000

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Last evening when I read this, I gave it a heartfelt virtual slow clap. Great insights!

 

And I got to thinking* 

 

Here's what I thought. Josh could grow a pair, and tell his parents: "Look, I want no further part of the Duggar family circus. I want to get some kind of job to support my wife and family that has nothing at all to do with being in the public eye. No more appearances, speeches, statements to the press, exclusive magazine deals, or Redemption Tour, and no more cameras in my face or in my house. I am henceforth private citizen Josh Duggar and my marital status, sexual behavior, and religious thinking? Are nobody's business but mine (and my wife's)."

 

Which of course reminded me that Josh was the Number One Son and Crown Prince of the Duggar family circus for so long, that I don't really see that happening. It's way too comfortable inside that tent; you don't have to worry where your next meal is coming from, and you get to be famous. Although Josh is feeling the other side of the two-edged sword of fame these days.

 

Jim Bob firmly shoved his family out in the public eye well before TLC came calling. And he really pushed Josh out there. Remember? JB hauled a young Josh - still a kid - around the Arkansas Statehouse with him, when he was in the State Legislature. I read that JB would bring Josh with him in many situations where it wasn't appropriate. I wonder if in JB's mind, Josh was his "accountability partner." Whatever it was for, I doubt it was for Josh's benefit. He was an appurtenance of JB. 

 

So after all this time, the Duggars are definitely a TV family and in the public eye. JB, MEchelle, their two married daughters, and their sons-in-law, are chasing the fame like hungry dogs running after the butcher's van. What Jill/Jessa said on the Faux News interview was such bullshit: "We're not really a television family. We're just a family that's on TV." No, honey, that horse left the barn more than a decade ago. 

 

Now that JB's created the Duggar Family Fame Machine, I agree with Churchhoney that he's having trouble controlling it. It's totally bizarre that an adult male in 21st Century America, not suffering any physical or mental disability, would be slammed into Bible prison for SIX MONTHS because he had an Ashley Madison account and cheated on his wife with a hooker or two. It was totally about the Duggar Brand and not at all about Josh's wellbeing.

 

And here's where I too think "Poor Josh." which is notable because like Churchhoney I can't stand him and I think "Smuggar" is a perfect name for him. I wonder if it's ever occurred to him to try to drop out of the public eye, as an actual life choice for the future. Or if he's never even questioned that he has to do whatever his parents decree because they control his life and his income and he's OK with them controlling his life and his income. 

 

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*Note to self: if you're thinking about Josh Duggar? You really need to Get A Life, STAT.

I've been thinking for awhile that Josh will probably end up in a similar situation to John Gosselin if he leaves the Duggar sphere. Josh has been incredibly lucky to have his media connections working for him. With those connections gone and his father probably not being willing to support any kind of job that doesn't produce results that Josh is going to find himself in trouble and will probably end up take over toilet duty from Ben. If he leaves he will probably not be able the support his family and if he divorces Anna I'm pretty sure he'll end up alone with his porn. I don't think he'll have much success in turning this mess around.

 

 

Ms Dillon did do a ton of porn, 100-160 films/scenes including (porn terminology in spoiler)

anal double penetration scenes, "cum swapping" and in general, lots of anal scenes

, and she's 28, and 25 year olds are considered MILFs, i.e. over the hill, in the porn industry, so her career could've dried up due to that fact alone. I'm not a lawyer or a psychiatrist, but her job was to routinely perform anal sex, It's gonna be hard to prove that despite all that, what Josh did was the worst of all that she's experienced.

I'd love to be there as the Duggar's Christian lawyer cross examines Ms. Dillon. Edited by Almost 3000
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whydoiwatch

whydoiwatch

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1103293/anna-duggar-gives-parenting-advice-as-new-rumors-surface-about-josh​

 

THIS is why I can't stand Goody Smugger. She is as addicted to attention as the rest of them. Spewing out babies does not make you an expert, Anna. Sit back, chill and remember who you created these babies with.

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dillpickles

dillpickles

http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1103293/anna-duggar-gives-parenting-advice-as-new-rumors-surface-about-josh​

THIS is why I can't stand Goody Smugger. She is as addicted to attention as the rest of them. Spewing out babies does not make you an expert, Anna. Sit back, chill and remember who you created these babies with.

This family loves giving out advice, don't they?

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Purpose to defraud

Purpose to defraud

Jim Bob must be absolutely furious at Josh. Due to him, the family lost their show and speaking engagements. So after he lost his income, because of Josh, JB has to support Anna and the children and pay for the rehab. Now Josh is being sued and JB has to pay to deal with the lawsuit. Josh's mistakes are costing JB a fortune.

True, but JB and Mechelle's poor parenting cost Josh much, much more.

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Aja

Aja

How much more skeevy can this all get? I realize Anna will never leave because she's a spineless nincompoop for Christ, but I hate the message it sends her kids. People talk even in fundie circles no doubt and they'll learn the whole sordid story. The boys are learning that you can humiliate the mother of your children and she will take it with a smile. The girls are learning Jesus doormat 101. I can't imagine how awful it would be so uninformed and uneducated that you wouldn't run screaming to a divorce lawyer.

That really struck me. Profoundly disturbing.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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Jim Bob must be absolutely furious at Josh. Due to him, the family lost their show and speaking engagements. So after he lost his income, because of Josh, JB has to support Anna and the children and pay for the rehab. Now Josh is being sued and JB has to pay to deal with the lawsuit. Josh's mistakes are costing JB a fortune.

 

So I guess that kind of puts the kibosh on the whole premise of Duggar TV! Duggar Websites and Social Media Presence! Duggar Public Speaking Bureau and Special Appearances! Duggar Books! Duggar Preaching! Duggar Missioning to an Insufficiently Duggared World!-- That the Duggar way is the key to living a great, successful Christian life, free of all those naughty, yucchy things that ruin the lives of other people and that are bringing low this once-great country of ours.

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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At the moment, with Josh in churchy prison, Anna can postpone making a decision about her marriage and continue to have JimBob pay the bills. She could leave with the 4 kids, but she's barely educated enough to work at Mcdonalds, and Josh won't ever be in a financial position to pay her child support. Should she leave, her parents won't help her. She can stay, it'll be degrading and she'll remain married to a piggish dead weight who probably doesn't love her, but his dad will pay the bills. She doesn't really have any good options.

The decent and therefore highly unlikely thing for Josh to do would be for him to insist on a divorce. Free her, and take all the heat himself.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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Josh and decent, however, don't belong in the same sentence.  I can see Josh filing for divorce only to free himself to pursue his own interests.  I think Josh filing for divorce from Anna would be as much a divorce from Jim Bob.

 

I agree.

 

I see Josh as such a lazy weenie, though, that I don't really think he'd ever file for divorce even for that reason. He's not brave, he has no interests (other than fast food, orgasms and fancying himself a big shot -- and the last of those is impossible now while the first two are pretty equally possible anywhere) , and he has about zero energy as far as I can tell. I wish he would divorce Anna, even if it is just to free himself. But I can't really imagine him doing it. Or doing anything except sucking at the Duggar teat to whatever extent he's allowed to, really.

 

I wish he would prove me wrong.

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