Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[becca3891]

Quoting becca3891 the old fashioned way, because IPads are rough with the quoting thing...

"I can easily believe Josh having a double standard where he feels contemptuous toward strippers and prostitutes and sees them as unworthy of respect."

No double standard. He has no respect for women, period.

The more I hear about this guy, the more I'm thinking full-on pathology, not just a perpetual adolescent acting out.

Well, by double standard, I really meant the "men will be men but women seeking out sex deserve scorn" mentality. Obviously we're not inside his head.

I took that to mean - does my father come here often?  Or my father recommended this place- you know who he is.  Honestly, no joking.  Otherwise he would have said - do you know my show, my family, my mother and siblings?  

I took it to mean, "Don't you know we're famous? So give me special treatment." I don't like Boob but doubt he had anything to do with the strip club. If this little story is even true. It was only from an anonymous comment at the end of an article.

 

No kidding? I didn't know that.

 

So what exactly did their version of Jesus die for?

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

[Julia]

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

 

Thanks for letting me know what's up with that. 

 

That (as written) is seriously contemptible. I mean, it's heretical and spitting in Jesus' face and so wrong I can't begin to say why, but damn, that's seriously contemptible.

[JoanArc]

 

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

Josh proves that genetics is a crapshoot too.

[SmallTownMom]

Has anybody watched the clip of Josh and Anna that was just posted on the Pickles & Hairspray FB page?

 

Josh talking about being pure (after he molested his sisters).

 

The 2 of them sharing a pickle, just LOL.

 

Riding a carousel together.  It was like some sort of stupid commercial, like maybe for a feminine hygiene product.

 

I've seen pics of them kissing and Anna (with her eyes open) giving the "thumbs up" sign.  I wouldn't be too anxious to kiss him anymore.  We all know where that mouth has been.

[dillpickles]

I've seen pics of them kissing and Anna (with her eyes open) giving the "thumbs up" sign. I wouldn't be too anxious to kiss him anymore. We all know where that mouth has been.

Bleh. I can't even imagine Josh putting his *mouth* anywhere. Oh god pass the brain bleach.

[melanie]

I still get sick thinking about him singing to Anna at the wedding.  I think that was JB's idea, but it was so weird and uncomfortable that I could not even watch it.  

[JenCarroll]

That etonline article is bizarre. Who was at your table at Christmas? The mother and father who let their daughters be molested for five (eta: two. sorry) years. Is this news to you?

Well see, the Christmas quote is why I think it's more likely to be Amy. Why would Jessa say, "Who is this guy we spent Christmases with and thought we knew..." I mean, she lived with Josh. She spent every day with him. Also, I really think Jessa is too afraid of Jim Bob to be quite that harsh about Josh.

But we won't know unless/until one of them owns up to it. Hell, maybe it was Jackson and Hannie. :-)

[cheatincheetos]

Plus - and I pour bleach as I type this - he may have heard that a condom lessened his little "Jim Smithson's" enjoyment.

"Ribbed for her pleasure" isn't patriarchal enough. It should only be his pleasure, after all.

[Wok Chop]

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

LOL That was me. I am a Yankee who has never heard someone be referred to as "puddin"! I came up with the term "puddin-y" to describe a certain type of person--someone who is pale, unhealthy looking, and soft/flaccid-looking..like a bowl of vanilla pudding. My daughter and I use it all the time, and I didn't know it was a thing in the South! Maybe I have some Southern hiding in me somewhere! All this time I thought my heritage was mostly a combination of Puritan and German Catholic. :P On the other hand, I hate sweet tea...

[cheatincheetos]

Some abstinence-only programs teach that condoms are essentially useless at preventing disease. So Josh may have figured it wouldn't make any difference. 

Yes, our evangelical church had speakers promoting that scare tactic back in the early 90s. What they really didn't want was any sex ed in public schools. This link covers the argument:

 

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1178/can-hiv-pass-through-the-pores-in-latex-condoms

[murf1013]

I'm ready for this family to just go away. Every day things just get worse and worse. And I don't know who I think holds the most blame. Boob and MEchelle ... who did nothing when their oldest son started presenting as a sexual deviant. Josh ... for being a child molester and cheater. Jill and Jessa ... for defending the person who molested them. Or their entire "religion" who failed everyone.

Ugh!

[Absolom]

 

I think that were trapped in the TTH. Not sure I believe the mountain house story.

I read the mountain house story and wanted to know where in the mountains they were.  Further reading revealed it was the Siloam Springs house they were writing about.  Siloam Springs doesn't look like it's in the mountains.  It's the bank repo house Josh bought last winter.

[Blondeone21]

Josh could sneak out, but he'd have to walk. Town looks really disorienting, everything is ranch style.

I don't think Josh understands that he is 27 years old, an adult. He can walk out of there anytime he wants. He is about 3-4 blocks away from a bus stop. He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant! He has his own money and can go wherever he wants. I just can't feel sorry for him. He allows JB to run his life.

Nice to see fellow Rockford people on here. I have been on many message boards/forums and have never come across another from here lol.

Also, as far as I know North Love Church is as close to what the Duggars believe as you can get around here.

[Happyfatchick]

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I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

Me too, southern transplant from the north, about 40 years in the deep south and I've never even heard that expression!!

It's entirely possible that this is familial and not common to the area in general. There's nary a person in my family tree that hasn't gotten the "look" and a "Puddin" at some point.

Does this admission mean we can't call Josh that? That would be a shame. It's so fitting.

ETA: I read your post Wok Chop - EXACTLY!!! Vanilla pudding - no personality, no consistency, no texture (but maybe a little lumpy) = Josh Duggar. WC, you made it up and landed in the same place! How awesome is that? I hate sweet tea, too, and I won't eat watermelon, raw tomato, boiled peanuts or collards either. I know, right? And they still let me live here!

Edited August 28, 2015 by Happyfatchick

[Jusagirlintheworld]

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

Does that mean that the church perceives Josh's children to be "tainted" by his sins? Poor Anna.

[Henri205]

Hi, all. Recently discovered this blog and thanks for so many interesting, insightful posts. I ignored the Duggars but since the scandals, I must admit I'm almost obsessed. It's like a really good disaster movie with great special effects, and you have to keep watching.

I looked at the site for the Jesus Slave Labor Camp that now houses Josh. Lovely. And pray away the troubles, I'm sure that'll work.

But going back a bit earlier in the thread, I just don't buy Josh going to strip clubs in Arkansas and referencing Jim Boob. First, how did he get out of the house without a chaperone? My familiarity with the show is limited, so maybe escape was possible for the males since they seem to have been treated in a preferential manner.

Any info is appreciated. I looked at the Google for strip clubs/Josh but nothing really.

Do you guys really buy the hooker story? I LOVE it in general as I'm enjoying the downfall of such a bunch of hypocritical scolds but I doubt it's true.

Finally, the odds are that one of these Duggars is gay. Have you guys started a lottery? My gaydar went off on one, I'll have compare pics to names and will post.

Thanks again for tons of entertainment. Take care, and snaps to the moderators.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

Rehab is either going to teach Joshie to be far more careful or cause him to completely break with Gothard and his parents. No way he'll be  good little Duggar ever again... I hope He gets to a real addiction specialist (if that's what he needs) and gets useful help.

Really though, was he ever? I had a friend growing up that had a molester for a brother. Dude was always a sneaky little weirdo from the word go. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Joshy were too.

[BitterApple]

MK from DListed called Josh the "Pillsbury Dough Douche." If that isn't the most epic nickname I don't know what is.

[LilyoftheValley]

I don't think Josh understands that he is 27 years old, an adult. He can walk out of there anytime he wants. He is about 3-4 blocks away from a bus stop. He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant! He has his own money and can go wherever he wants. I just can't feel sorry for him. He allows JB to run his life.

Nice to see fellow Rockford people on here. I have been on many message boards/forums and have never come across another from here lol.

Also, as far as I know North Love Church is as close to what the Duggars believe as you can get around here.

But isn't that the whole idea behind no education?  Josh is totally enmeshed with his father.  It is an unhealthy, co-dependent relationship, but this is what they look like.  Josh has no independent personhood of his own.  Josh has to do as daddy says, or else he is just a loser with nothing going for him.  Josh has no education and no real work skills.  How can he support four kids without the help of his father?  The answer is that he can't; he is totally trapped with no way out but to "please" his father.  Wow, well it took a week but damn if I am not coming around to feeling a bit sorry for this little turd.  Josh himself knew he was not cut out for all this, so why did his parents force him?  Was it really worth it?  

[cocobeans]

I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

Aww, bless your heart!

 

LOL

[bigskygirl]

I think Josh was enjoying the attention he got while he was in Washington D.C. because he got away from the family and was his own person so to speak. He made money by selling his family religious beliefs to the masses. The sad fact was he was a small fish in the big political pond. In some ways he is his father's son. JB acts like he is the be all, end all in the Gothard world, and Josh acts the same way. Would he ended up the way he did if his parents were not famewhores, had less children, and the egos the size of Montana, Alaska, Texas and California combined? In my opinion, I say the chances would have been the same. Of course having a father who said he was abused by his own father because said father was not spiritual enough to please his son, and a mother who is addicted to giving birth and praying to God to able to love her children could cause any child to end up with emotional problems.

[Honeycocoa]

Welcome Henri205!

 

Finally, the odds are that one of these Duggars is gay. Have you guys started a lottery? My gaydar went off on one, I'll have compare pics to names and will post.

 

Actually we try to leave that one alone.... May I recommend the 19 Questions and Counting  thread?

 

Odds are, there's a gay Duggar or two? Who do you think it is?

Even if the odds are correct and there's a gay Duggar or two, there's no good that can come from speculation.  If you're the "gay Duggar", do you think the public speculation would be helpful?  Do you think it would make your parents more or less scrutinizing of your behavior?  Yeah.  That's why it's best to leave it alone.  The kids didn't get themselves into this family or on this show and, unless they give their permission to film an engagement, courtship, honeymoon, wedding night, and births on tv, we have no business putting it on front street.  That's why we have TFDW. :) [Note from mod: Forum policy is not to speculate about sexual orientation in children under 18 years old.  The adults are fair game--Rhondinella]

 

Pretty sure it's not Josh, though.....

[TheFinalRose]

I think we cannot discount how fame and fortune motivates the entire Duggar family. It makes no sense that J'Boob and ME'Shell Of A Human Being would make a statement about sending their grown adult son off to rehab, unless they were fighting to save the family image so that they can GET BACK ON TELEVISION. They are on the cover of this week's People, recounting how they have all survived, post-molestation scandal. In it they reiterate their anger at whoever in law enforcement released the records. There is even a little sidebar with Josh and Anna looking lovingly at each other. They were all working it to affect public opinion ... the public opinion that got them tossed off of tv. Sucks for them that the Ashley Madison scandal broke before the Put the Duggars Back on TeeVee groundswell could official start to swell.  

 

All of these children, on the surface, have gone along and replicated their parents' lifestyle simply because to their ignorant, sheltered, inexperienced brains, their parents lifestyle has brought them all great fame and fortune.  (They don't understand that half of the ratings are people tuning in to ogle a freak show). They are CELEBRITIES first and foremost now. The girls all want a wedding special, their children's births filmed, the cover of US and People, etc. We don't know how much pressure and competition there is amongst them to be featured on television. So it's hard to tell if they are replicating their parents lifestyle because they truly desire it, or merely because marriage and babies, right now, gets them their own very special episodes.  Kind of like if a tree falls in a forest .... if you have 20 babies but no one is filming it is it still worth having 20 babies? Is it fun anymore if no one is filming it? I doubt it.

 

Also, does anyone think that Josh also might have confessed to his parents that he picked up a filthy and evil drinking habit? And that is what they have zeroed in on as the root cause of the problem and hence off to the drug and alcohol rehab center?  Because I cannot imagine that Josh will do hookers and porn but draw the line at booze?  Nah. 

 

He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant!

 

 

 

Just out of curiosity, what is the fantastic restaurant in Rockford? 

 

[Almost 3000]

Hi, all. Recently discovered this blog and thanks for so many interesting, insightful posts. I ignored the Duggars but since the scandals, I must admit I'm almost obsessed. It's like a really good disaster movie with great special effects, and you have to keep watching.

I looked at the site for the Jesus Slave Labor Camp that now houses Josh. Lovely. And pray away the troubles, I'm sure that'll work.

But going back a bit earlier in the thread, I just don't buy Josh going to strip clubs in Arkansas and referencing Jim Boob. First, how did he get out of the house without a chaperone? My familiarity with the show is limited, so maybe escape was possible for the males since they seem to have been treated in a preferential manner.

Any info is appreciated. I looked at the Google for strip clubs/Josh but nothing really.

Do you guys really buy the hooker story? I LOVE it in general as I'm enjoying the downfall of such a bunch of hypocritical scolds but I doubt it's true.

Finally, the odds are that one of these Duggars is gay. Have you guys started a lottery? My gaydar went off on one, I'll have compare pics to names and will post.

Thanks again for tons of entertainment. Take care, and snaps to the moderators.

I would take great caution on speculating and posting about which Duggar might be gay because in this culture the chances of them being suspected of this would get them into more trouble than Josh is in right now.

 

eta: What Honeycocoa said. :)

Edited August 28, 2015 by Almost 3000

[Sew Sumi]

@TheFinalRose None of the Duggars were interviewed for the lastest People in which they featured all of the couples in "how they're doing" vignettes. They were quoted from old interviews and social media. The only new material in those blurbs came from the "insider source." Even Famy's remarks were things she'd already said on social media between Joshgate I and the time People went to press, before Joshgate II. 

 

That the Duggars refused to be interviewed regarding Joshgate is mentioned around here somewhere, probably the media thread. People has since "turned" on the Duggars. 

 

Back to Josh. It's all his fault. Frankly, I can't begin to imagine what he must be feeling about bringing down his family's empire. That is, IF he has a conscience. This point is certainly up for debate. I wonder just how much of a choice he really had to go to this "rehab" place (can't wait to see the livestream tomorrrow - Friday - night. Joshie will be sitting there amongst the dry drunks and crackheads), and how much of this was JB's doing? To be honest, I doubt Josh had much, if any, autonomy in the Duggar fold after Joshgate I. After Joshgate II, I can imagine that his parents and adult siblings, maybe aside from Josiah, rightly think he's scum. 

 

Anna? I can't begin to imagine what she's going through. Part of me really does feel sorry for her; she was the perfect fundie daughter and wife. And being that perfectly submissive creature came back to bite her in the ass. She had examples of women in her family who had left, so she stayed by choice. Certainly, a comfortable choice until now. I doubt it will happen, but I hope she is able to spend time with Daniel, Rebekah, and Suze while Joshie is locked away, and without the prying eyes and ears of other Duggars. She needs more points of view than the "counsel" the Duggars say she is receiving. We all know exactly what THAT entails... 

 

Counting the hours until that livestream...

[Quilt Fairy]

I used to know a gal who graduated from North Love.  She and her twin sister were 25% of their graduating class of 8 people.  Shortly thereafter, their dad ran off with a woman he met at Bible study.

Since we've already had one Breaking Bad reference, let me just say this reminds me of when Jesse got out of rehab and went to AA/NA meetings to sell meth.

[HundFan]

I read the mountain house story and wanted to know where in the mountains they were.  Further reading revealed it was the Siloam Springs house they were writing about.  Siloam Springs doesn't look like it's in the mountains.  It's the bank repo house Josh bought last winter.

 

The house is built on mountains - of lies.

[cmr2014]

I think we cannot discount how fame and fortune motivates the entire Duggar family. It makes no sense that J'Boob and ME'Shell Of A Human Being would make a statement about sending their grown adult son off to rehab, unless they were fighting to save the family image so that they can GET BACK ON TELEVISION. They are on the cover of this week's People, recounting how they have all survived, post-molestation scandal. In it they reiterate their anger at whoever in law enforcement released the records. There is even a little sidebar with Josh and Anna looking lovingly at each other. They were all working it to affect public opinion ... the public opinion that got them tossed off of tv. Sucks for them that the Ashley Madison scandal broke before the Put the Duggars Back on TeeVee groundswell could official start to swell.  

 

All of these children, on the surface, have gone along and replicated their parents' lifestyle simply because to their ignorant, sheltered, inexperienced brains, their parents lifestyle has brought them all great fame and fortune.  (They don't understand that half of the ratings are people tuning in to ogle a freak show). They are CELEBRITIES first and foremost now. The girls all want a wedding special, their children's births filmed, the cover of US and People, etc. We don't know how much pressure and competition there is amongst them to be featured on television. So it's hard to tell if they are replicating their parents lifestyle because they truly desire it, or merely because marriage and babies, right now, gets them their own very special episodes.  Kind of like if a tree falls in a forest .... if you have 20 babies but no one is filming it is it still worth having 20 babies? Is it fun anymore if no one is filming it? I doubt it.

 

This is an interesting post that made me think of a lot of things that have sort of rattled around in the back of my brain:

 

I think that JB and J'chelle may regret sending Josh to this "rehab." Josh has never been outside of his parent's influence -- ever. Even when he was in DC, he was just a phone call away, there was a J'sibling "visiting" regularly, and Anna is a dyed in the wool Gothardite who would have reported immediately to HQ if she had been aware of Josh having strange thoughts about leaving the cult. He now has six months to think his own thoughts, and I find it hard to believe that at the end of this, he will be thinking "all I want is to go back to Arkansas and live under my father's unbrella for the next 20-30 years, and have another 12 kids."

 

I noticed that there were some questions on the intake form for the "rehab" center that might have produced some real insight except that 1) I'm sure that JB and J'chelle filled out the form for him, and 2) there are no trained professionals on the staff. There were a number of questions, though, about "are you closer to your mother or father?" "how may siblings do you have," etc.

 

I don't think that it ever occurred to JB and J'chelle that there children would develop some of the same problems as child actors (because they are such wonderful "Godly" parents,and have raised their children so well), but I think that all of the adult children have shown signs of having the same sorts of issues: we've heard that Jill and Jessa "want to remain in the public eye," but I think that this is affecting more of the children than just those two -- we're only hearing from the ones with social media accounts. Every public utterance from anyone in the family since May has absolutely reeked of desperation to stay on television. I don't think it's just the money, either, I think that they are all desperate for the attention.

 

I always thought that the Duggar scandal would break in 10-15 years -- long after the show went off the air -- as the feral younger children mature. I think I was optimistic, though. I now think that all of the children are really damaged. I think that Josh's sexual problems, Jill's Stage 5 Clingyness, Jessa's non-specific rage and brittle facade, and Jana and John David's personality-free lifestyle, are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Finally, I agree with the posters who are saying that JB and J'chelle are going to crack down even tighter on the children at home. They do not appear to be capable of entertaining the thought that there might be anything -- any small thing -- wrong with the way that they are raising their children. I think that there response will be "we let Josh leave the 'unbrealla' of JB's protection, and look what happened!" 

[xtwheeler]

What is so ironic to me is that Josh's hang-ups seem to be that he wants love, appreciation, approval, with a fair helping of financial independence earned the laziest way possible. The ironic part is that he would receive all those things in abundance if he came clean, divorced the rest if the Duggar circus, and wrote a scathing tell-all. He would get from the public the support and ego-strokig he so desperately craves from his family. If he would do the exact opposite of what he is doing (repeatedly, strictly trying to force himself to better fit into his parents' fucked up cult) he would probably get all the things he wants. He would be wealthy (book advance), celebrated by the mainstream media and population, and wielding an incredible amount of power to blow Gothard and the rest of the family/cult totally out of the water.

If instead of doubling down on these morally, spiritually bankrupt philosophies that have failed repeatedly, he made a drastic 180, he'd be so much better off. He'd win more fame, more money, and tons of respect for standing up and indicting his upbringing.

[graefin]

I don't think that it ever occurred to JB and J'chelle that there children would develop some of the same problems as child actors (because they are such wonderful "Godly" parents,and have raised their children so well), but I think that all of the adult children have shown signs of having the same sorts of issues: we've heard that Jill and Jessa "want to remain in the public eye," but I think that this is affecting more of the children than just those two -- we're only hearing from the ones with social media accounts. Every public utterance from anyone in the family since May has absolutely reeked of desperation to stay on television. I don't think it's just the money, either, I think that they are all desperate for the attention.

This. I think that it's so easy to focus on the fucked-up religious part of their upbringing that we forget the fucked-up growing up on television aspect of the equation. Together = apparent disaster.

[Defrauder]

I can't believe they think that sending Josh to a work camp is going to fix him.  They all work for RU.  They are not allowed to talk about the problems that led them there.  Why are the Duggars such stupid followers?  I can probably sell them the Brooklyn Bridge if I wanted to.  What's wrong with Josh talking to a Licensed Clinical Social Worker for instance?  Are they really that afraid that a licensed counselor would try to take his religion away from him and suddenly undo 27 years of Gothard brainwashing?  Do they think a licensed counselor would tell him not to be a christian or something?  Why are they so stupid?  Just why? There is zero possibility of Josh getting help at this place.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Defrauder

[GeeGolly]

Could Alice and the family source be the original laundry lady who rescued Michelle after her breakdown?

[kokapetl]

Alice sounds like a fellow church goer.

[MrsMommy]

Me, too. I even believe the part where he tried to be aggressive and rough. The part I absolutely don't believe is where she says it's the scariest thing that ever happened to her. Please. That's pure embellishment, in my opinion. And a stupid embellishment at that, especially for someone who's lived on the seamy side of things. Not only is Josh a 200-pound weakling but he's a scared, blustering child who almost certainly could be easily intimidated by any woman who stood up for herself for half a minute. In the sex business, you're going to run across many many men with aggressive feelings toward women and who seek you out because they intend to act on them. Josh would have been far from the first. And there's no way that that hide-behind-daddy's-skirts, cry-when-he-leaves-momma 20-something wanna-be-lawyer lard-ass was the scariest she ever saw, by a long shot. She wants to sell newspapers, so she embroidered.

I cam only speak personally but if Josh tried to make his way into my bed o could honestly say (besides having my first child) that would be the scariest thing ever. Just imagine laying in bed and seeing a naked joshy making his way to lay on top of you *gasp

[Rancide]

Josh proves that genetics is a crapshoot too.

 

Or, not really.

[Julia]

What is so ironic to me is that Josh's hang-ups seem to be that he wants love, appreciation, approval, with a fair helping of financial independence earned the laziest way possible. The ironic part is that he would receive all those things in abundance if he came clean, divorced the rest if the Duggar circus, and wrote a scathing tell-all. He would get from the public the support and ego-strokig he so desperately craves from his family. If he would do the exact opposite of what he is doing (repeatedly, strictly trying to force himself to better fit into his parents' fucked up cult) he would probably get all the things he wants. He would be wealthy (book advance), celebrated by the mainstream media and population, and wielding an incredible amount of power to blow Gothard and the rest of the family/cult totally out of the water.

If instead of doubling down on these morally, spiritually bankrupt philosophies that have failed repeatedly, he made a drastic 180, he'd be so much better off. He'd win more fame, more money, and tons of respect for standing up and indicting his upbringing.

 

But who would he sell it to? Say he found someone literate to write Duggared In: My Life at the Crossroads Where Shadowy Billionaires, Religious Fanaticism, Cable Television and the Republican Party Meet. Could they find a publishing company that doesn't either live in that space (their current publisher is owned by Rupert Murdoch) or rely on NCLB contracts? And even if they did, I doubt they'd be able to get it into WalMarts any time soon.

[Churchhoney]

I don't think Josh understands that he is 27 years old, an adult. He can walk out of there anytime he wants. He is about 3-4 blocks away from a bus stop. He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant! He has his own money and can go wherever he wants. I just can't feel sorry for him. He allows JB to run his life.

 

 

The thing is, it takes a lot of guts and, actually, actively used brains to leave. You have to have some conviction that your way is right for you and theirs is wrong, some confidence that you can take care of yourself and make a living on your own, and the courage to face a life that lacks both the material comforts you're used to and the only social milieu you've ever known at all. I don't think Josh is brave or strong, I'm sure he doesn't think and I highly doubt he's ever prepared himself in any way to stand fully on his own. And his parents certainly haven't prepared him for any of that either.

 

He can be cocky as hell when he's spouting Duggar/Gothard/FRC groupthink hatred; he can be Mr. Bravado when he's "hosting" a stupid TLC special well inside the fortress Duggar -- and those are the things he's always gotten family and social-circle applause for. Otherwise, he's a weepy, clinging, lazy baby without a thought in his dim head, as far as I can see. It'll take something pretty major to dislodge him from the Duggar bosom, I expect. Not least because, once dislodged, where's he gonna go? Does he have any other social circle who will take him in? Is there an educational institution or an employment venue that he'd fit well into and likely be easily accepted by? I don't know what they would be. And neither does he. If he walks away, he's going to have to step, utterly unaided, into an indeterminate future. Without the requisite guts and brains, it'll take something explosive to push him into something that risky, I believe.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Churchhoney]

Could Alice and the family source be the original laundry lady who rescued Michelle after her breakdown?

 

Oh, interesting thought. That's somebody who actually would have been inside the house -- and had an up-close view of the dirty laundry!

[GeeGolly]

Oh, interesting thought. That's somebody who actually would have been inside the house -- and had an up-close view of the dirty laundry!

Literally & figuratively.

[Churchhoney]

I cam only speak personally but if Josh tried to make his way into my bed o could honestly say (besides having my first child) that would be the scariest thing ever. Just imagine laying in bed and seeing a naked joshy making his way to lay on top of you *gasp

 

Well, in that sense, absolutely!

 

(In the sense of -- most violent, malevolent and strongest man ever to attack me, from the point of view of a professional sex worker -- I'm still saying absolutely not, though. Still sure that any sex worker of that woman's ilk will have encountered a few violent, angy woman-haters with back and arm strength that would leave Trapeze Joshie in the dust. Pretty sure they'd be considerably scarier.)

Or, not really.

 

Jana and John David may be proof of the genetics crapshoot, though. They seem to actually work during the day.

[OhioMom]

I don't know....I did see that tampons were allowed and I would think that Gothardism wouldn't be down with the cotton soldiers because I'm sure they think it somehow besmirches the virtue of those who must keep sweet.

 

They frown so much on music, it makes me wonder if Gothard lost a girl friend to Elvis or something.....

So...there was actually a section where they felt the need to say this? Probably because they couldn't come up with a way to finish this sentence: "Tampons are not permitted because ________________" without sounding insane, or stirring up lustful (to them) thoughts.

[Satchels of gold]

Could Alice and the family source be the original laundry lady who rescued Michelle after her breakdown?

That can't be because God sent that women, don't you remember God answered her prayers when she was having her breakdown (or breakthrough depending on your view) . Please please let "Alice "be this women. It would just be so fitting in so many ways.

[JennyMominFL]

I cam only speak personally but if Josh tried to make his way into my bed o could honestly say (besides having my first child) that would be the scariest thing ever. Just imagine laying in bed and seeing a naked joshy making his way to lay on top of you *gasp

Why are you doing this to me?

[CofCinci]

Good for this lawyer:

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/08/27/lawyers-pro-bono-anna-duggar/32482627/

She'll not do it, but it does make me happy that people do want to help her get out of this situation.

Oh please. What an opportunitist. He doesn't want to help Anna -- he wants free national publicity.

[NextIteration]

Good for this lawyer:

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/08/27/lawyers-pro-bono-anna-duggar/32482627/

She'll not do it, but it does make me happy that people do want to help her get out of this situation. 

 

I am sure that many would offer their services.

 

About condoms and hookers, regardless of birth control and STD testing proof, HPV and Herpes are not always prevented by condom use and Herpes is very dangerous to a baby being born.

 

Sex without the consequence of babies - couldn't Josh have sneaked off and gotten a vasectomy?

Edited August 28, 2015 by NextIteration

[Defrauder]

Could Alice and the family source be the original laundry lady who rescued Michelle after her breakdown?

That would be great!  The laundry lady God sent to spill the dirt on the Duggars.  God works in mysterious ways alright. 

[Anne Elk]

The thing is, it takes a lot of guts and, actually, actively used brains to leave. You have to have some conviction that your way is right for you and theirs is wrong, some confidence that you can take care of yourself and make a living on your own, and the courage to face a life that lacks both the material comforts you're used to and the only social milieu you've ever known at all. I don't think Josh is brave or strong, I'm sure he doesn't think and I highly doubt he's ever prepared himself in any way to stand fully on his own. And his parents certainly haven't prepared him for any of that either.

 

He can be cocky as hell when he's spouting Duggar/Gothard/FRC groupthink hatred; he can be Mr. Bravado when he's "hosting" a stupid TLC special well inside the fortress Duggar -- and those are the things he's always gotten family and social-circle applause for. Otherwise, he's a weepy, clinging, lazy baby without a thought in his dim head, as far as I can see. It'll take something pretty major to dislodge him from the Duggar bosom, I expect. Not least because, once dislodged, where's he gonna go? Does he have any other social circle who will take him in? Is there an educational institution or an employment venue that he'd fit well into and likely be easily accepted by? I don't know what they would be. And neither does he. If he walks away, he's going to have to step, utterly unaided, into an indeterminate future. Without the requisite guts and brains, it'll take something explosive to push him into something that risky, I believe.

 

He's already lost his job, he's cost them their TV show, he's put his marriage in jeopardy, he's destroyed his entire family's reputation. What could possibly happen to him that is worse than what's already happened? I don't think Josh is brave either, but I think "something explosive" is exactly what's going on right now.

 

Josh has been out in the world and experienced living on his own, no matter how sheltered he was. He had a taste of freedom. Now he's back in Jesus Labor Camp. I doubt he went voluntarily -- they're practically holding his wife and kids hostage. Even if he returns to Jim Bob Land a changed man, he's never going to have a minute of freedom ever again. I think that just might be enough to push him out the door.

[Isthisok]

Bleh. I can't even imagine Josh putting his *mouth* anywhere. Oh god pass the brain bleach.

Right? His AM profile saying he liked to give and receive oral sex... Oh god. I mean, I know Josh likes to eat, but in my brain that's limited to giant burritos and Jesus chicken.

[galax-arena]

I really don't want to imagine Josh going down on anyone... I hate you guys. 

[Isthisok]

Could Alice and the family source be the original laundry lady who rescued Michelle after her breakdown?

How amazing would that be? Alice, like the housekeeper on The Brady Bunch.