Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Rabbittron]

At least I have a pedophile husband who is in jail and I have to take out my own trash. 

[realityfan26]

Just now, Zella said:

I've never seen this anywhere else before, but Justin (the guy who knew Josh as a teenager and had the podcast of his old journal earlier this year) posted a new entry on Reddit today. It is from February 2006 and talks about Josh getting in trouble for racking up 20 hours worth of phone sex calls in the previous month. He would have been 17, on the verge of turning 18. 

The more we find out, the more disgusted I am that JB & Meech completely mishandled everything. Josh himself, their daughters, continuing the TV show. What poor excuses for parents they’ve turned out to be.

[CountryGirl]

Anna and The Inmate

[auntieminem]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

I've never seen this anywhere else before, but Justin (the guy who knew Josh as a teenager and had the podcast of his old journal earlier this year) posted a new entry on Reddit today. It is from February 2006 and talks about Josh getting in trouble for racking up 20 hours worth of phone sex calls in the previous month. He would have been 17, on the verge of turning 18. 

This was when they were supposed to be watching him so closely.  Yet he had access to a phone and was able to have 20 hours alone to have phone sex calls. Plus he had to know he would be found out when the bill came, yet he did it for 20 hours.  It is sad they could have done something more than shave his head and make him dig a pond. Even though it may not have made difference if he got professional help but they didn't even try. 

I really liked Justin's podcasts. So thoughtful and interesting. 

[sue450]

On 12/14/2021 at 11:45 AM, merylinkid said:

But wasn't Michelle IN A PARADE while the trial was on going?   Or did she have the breakdown upon hearing her golden boy was actually found guilty and her throne was a throne of lies?

the xmas parade It was  nov 28   the trial started nov 30 I think jim bob and michelle really thought josh would be found innocent and she actually raised josh and the the first couple of kids until the olders  started taking care of the youngers  so she had that connection to him

[sue450]

On 12/15/2021 at 4:57 AM, Churchhoney said:

The parade, you mean? ....Yep, Jim Bob and Michelle rode on a float in a local Christmas parade over Thanksgiving weekend., which was the weekend before the trial began. Some of the younger generations were with them. They had a little granddaughter with them, maybe John David and Abbie's little girl, Gracie, but I'm not sure. In the picture she wasn't smiling, and I recognize Gracie by her smile (and none of the other granddaughters in her age group at all!). .... Jed! and Katey were on the float, too. Don't know if there was anyone else. JB and M were smiling as if they didn't have a care in the world, but I'd guess a lot of the people on the sidewalk knew that they did.....and were surprised. 

there were a bunch of kids on the float but I didn't recognize any of them

[sue450]

does anyone have bobye holt facebook I have tried to look it up can't find it  thanks!

 

[OnlyMeSuz]

The Smuggars: Anna and the Ole Ball and Chain.

Could be taken literally or figuratively!

 

 

 

[Trillium]

Oh, Anna isn’t going to be taking out the trash herself. One of the Ms will do that. 
 

As much as she can GFH, I feel so bad for the kids that yeah I have to hope she gets her shit together. 

[FizzyPuff]

13 hours ago, Rootbeer said:

Unfortunately, for Anna, Gothard teaches that, if a husband strays, it is the wife's fault.  So, since Josh ended up in prison, she is going to be looked at as a complete failure as a wife and helpmeet.  The Gothard set do not seem to differentiate between CSAM and adult porn, either.  Gothard was very big on stressing that any problems in a marriage are the fault of the wife, not the husband.

Poor Anna. Also why would anyone listen to a guy who s never married but apparently knows how to raise the perfect family? 🙄

[Madtown]

Now that Josh is going to prison for quite awhile, I wonder if Anna just sits and wonders what the hell happened to her life? I'm sure she doesn't, but I can't imagine spending the years Josh will be gone with JB and Michelle, if that's where she'll be.

[LilyD]

11 hours ago, realityfan26 said:

The more we find out, the more disgusted I am that JB & Meech completely mishandled everything.

They’re fundamental Christians and Christianity teaches us that it’s the responsibility of humanity to forgive sins. JB and M probably think they’ve done an amazing job implementing this specific command on their offspring. 

On a personal note; I feel that some crimes are simply too horrible to deserve any form of forgiveness. (But that’s my personal opinion)

[Minivanessa]

1 hour ago, FizzyPuff said:

Poor Anna. Also why would anyone listen to a guy who s never married but apparently knows how to raise the perfect family? 🙄

Because guys who have never been married are much more likely to believe they have the answers on how to raise a perfect family? As opposed to those who've married and had kids, who would need a massive amount of either self-deception or knowledge that they were selling bullshit, in order to tell others how to do it perfectly. . . 

Reality bites. Or something.

Of course that is why a never married guy would preach on how to raise a perfect family.

As to why anyone would listen to them, I suppose hope springs eternal and all that. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Jeeves

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, FizzyPuff said:

Poor Anna. Also why would anyone listen to a guy who s never married but apparently knows how to raise the perfect family? 🙄

Catholics have done and do the same all over the world, and it works for the majority of us.  

[Minivanessa]

10 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Catholics have done and do the same all over the world, and it works for the majority of us.  

Touché. I forgot about a few billion people - and I'm laughing at myself now. 

[hathorlive]

On 12/14/2021 at 1:11 PM, mittsigirl said:

LOL, I dusted my router yesterday and was sure it was taking my finger prints and scanning my eyes!

I fixed that.  See, Jesus told me not to disturb router, so I just let the dust pile up.  In fact, I've been doing that all over my house.

[Tikichick]

3 hours ago, Trillium said:

Oh, Anna isn’t going to be taking out the trash herself. One of the Ms will do that. 
 

As much as she can GFH, I feel so bad for the kids that yeah I have to hope she gets her shit together. 

I'm hoping (positive) change will come sooner rather than later for that entire generation, Anna's kids included.    That's the reason I'm so happy when any sliver of light seems to be penetrating in the Dillard household.   It's not about Jill and Derrick, it's about the potential of two young boys living better lives.   Israel attending school and the noticeable drop in stress in that household can only be good things for the boys IMO. 

As much as Jessa sets my teeth on edge and I'm repeatedly appalled by Anna's terrible priorities when it comes to homelife and her children, those are two households I would be very happy to see some truly positive changes for the children happening ASAP.   We know Jessa's need their brains and imaginations stimulated, and probably some healthy meals and maybe better hygiene routines wouldn't be a bad idea either.   Anna's brood can dial down the focus on appearance, wear some comfy clothes and get some opportunities for some wide ranging fun with zero stress, while some happy, fun and responsible adults step in to watch the tiny ones and do what they can to entertain and share educational material with the older ones.   Those kids deserve to live in the most worry free home possible because I don't doubt they've been through the wringer.  

[Churchhoney]

14 hours ago, realityfan26 said:

The more we find out, the more disgusted I am that JB & Meech completely mishandled everything. Josh himself, their daughters, continuing the TV show. What poor excuses for parents they’ve turned out to be.

And yet for years media outlets of many kinds, a bunch of church-y organizations, commercial enterprises and state and local governments portrayed them and honored them as some sort of ideal parents. 

And I don't think they looked like ideal parents at all, even based on what was shown, without even considering all the stuff they hid and/or lied about, a substantial chunk of which predated their national media career entirely. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Churchhoney

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, FizzyPuff said:

Poor Anna. Also why would anyone listen to a guy who s never married but apparently knows how to raise the perfect family? 🙄

Sounds much like Scientology. 

5 hours ago, LilyD said:

They’re fundamental Christians and Christianity teaches us that it’s the responsibility of humanity to forgive sins. JB and M probably think they’ve done an amazing job implementing this specific command on their offspring. 

On a personal note; I feel that some crimes are simply too horrible to deserve any form of forgiveness. (But that’s my personal opinion)

Well, JB did say years ago that he supported the death penalty for rapists. But only for the ones outside his bubble, I guess.

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Catholics have done and do the same all over the world, and it works for the majority of us.  

Priests do get an extensive education, including in counseling, etc. So they are all much more qualified than Gothard.

[SusanM]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

And yet for years media outlets of many kinds, a bunch of church-y organizations, commercial enterprises and state and local governments portrayed them and honored them as some sort of ideal parents. 

 

i remember when the show first came on that my sisters and I thought they were kooks but not terrible people.  I think a lot of us liked the idea of a large, loving family (Sound of Music, Cheaper by the Dozen etc)  and thought that's what we were getting with the Duggars.  Boy were we wrong!

[Churchhoney]

5 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

i remember when the show first came on that my sisters and I thought they were kooks but not terrible people.  I think a lot of us liked the idea of a large, loving family (Sound of Music, Cheaper by the Dozen etc)  and thought that's what we were getting with the Duggars.  Boy were we wrong!

Yeah, I'd bet that's true of pretty much the whole audience. That's the way they were sold......Only later did it start leaking out that that's not the way they apparently actied! 

[mittsigirl]

20 hours ago, jennblevins said:

Will she have reduced status, though?  It sometimes seems to me that going through shit at the hands of your husband is probably one of the top ways to gain status in their world (after having loads of kids, of course).  She may get even more credit from other fundies for standing by her man when he’s in prison for awful crimes than she got for standing by him so far. 

I have been reading on a very fundie wife's Facebook page, and over there, Anna is way more than a saint for sticking by her sick husband's side. They admire her more than ever, and that is her Biblical job to stick with him and be his wife, and never divorce him, no matter what he has done. I just can't get over some of their comments, just unbelievable to me.

On another note, I was all ready to research like mad to find out facts about the Duggar situation. That day the power had been surging like crazy in the house. That night, an old faulty breaker in the very old breaker box caused my t.v, laptop, electrical heaters and water pump-everything that used the old breaker box-all got shorted out, just very lucky that I was still awake and caught it or the entire house could have burned down! The electrician came out early the next morning, and we replaced everything that had been fried, so it's all safe now. The only modern thing that never shorted out because it was getting it's power from the newer breaker box from when we added the addition to the old house, was the damn router, the only thing that never had to be replaced!! Maybe it's a sign that I spend too much time snarking about these people? Nah, never going to stop the only fun I have!

[mittsigirl]

4 hours ago, hathorlive said:

I fixed that.  See, Jesus told me not to disturb router, so I just let the dust pile up.  In fact, I've been doing that all over my house.

I'm kind of glad that my tv shorted out because it was at the stage where every little piece on the back of it, plus the screen, needed cleaning, not the funnest job to have to do. Dust piles up very quickly when there are forums to read through!

[Nysha]

My router died this week. I think it's ashamed of my Obsessive Duggar Disorder.

 

[MargeGunderson]

Just now, Nysha said:

My router died this week. I think it's ashamed of my Obsessive Duggar Disorder.

 

The router uprising has begun!

[mittsigirl]

4 minutes ago, Nysha said:

My router died this week. I think it's ashamed of my Obsessive Duggar Disorder.

 

Well I am just happy to be able to have this forum of other like-minded people to snark with, because nobody else that I know watches reality t.v. like I do! I did ask a friend if she had heard about the Duggar mess, but she had no clue who they were, and I was too ashamed to elaborate.

[BigBingerBro]

The day the verdict came out, I was at work and googled it.  I mentioned it to my co-workers and only one person said they knew who Pest was and were aware of the Duggars.

There are plenty of us snarkers and I'm sure supporters, but far more who have no clue who these people are.

That kind of makes me happy.

[mittsigirl]

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Sounds much like Scientology. 

Well, JB did say years ago that he supported the death penalty for rapists. But only for the ones outside his bubble, I guess.

Incest was included:

"Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes."

 

The complete quote:

"If a woman is raped, the rapist should be executed instead of the innocent unborn baby. Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes."

 

I’m guessing he doesn’t “recall” saying that.

Edited December 17, 2021 by ginger90

[BetyBee]

12 minutes ago, mittsigirl said:

Josh could hang that in his cell!

[Quilt Fairy]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

My router died this week. I think it's ashamed of my Obsessive Duggar Disorder.

 

My refrigerator died this week.  I don't know what it's ashamed of. 

[Rabbittron]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

My router died this week. I think it's ashamed of my Obsessive Duggar Disorder.

 

Rest in peace router. We will never forget you 🙏

[Tabbygirl521]

10 hours ago, LilyD said:

They’re fundamental Christians and Christianity teaches us that it’s the responsibility of humanity to forgive sins. JB and M probably think they’ve done an amazing job implementing this specific command on their offspring. 

On a personal note; I feel that some crimes are simply too horrible to deserve any form of forgiveness. (But that’s my personal opinion)

The offender needs to feel and express remorse to merit forgiveness, IMO. Be forgiven, then go and sin no more. That ain’t Josh. 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, Quilt Fairy said:

My refrigerator died this week.  I don't know what it's ashamed of. 

My oven died sometime between Monday and yesterday. RIP. 

[LilJen]

On 12/16/2021 at 4:40 PM, GeeGolly said:

Anna: Taking Out the Papers and the Trash 

Yakkity Yak: DON'T GO BACK!!!

[LilJen]

21 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Anna and The Inmate

Anna and NOT The King (book on which The King and I was based)

[LilJen]

10 hours ago, LilyD said:

They’re fundamental Christians and Christianity teaches us that it’s the responsibility of humanity to forgive sins. JB and M probably think they’ve done an amazing job implementing this specific command on their offspring. 

On a personal note; I feel that some crimes are simply too horrible to deserve any form of forgiveness. (But that’s my personal opinion)

Forgiveness doesn't mean you simply continue on as though nothing happened. If someone steals $100 bucks from you, you might forgive them and still be your friend but you are NOT going to leave your wallet out so the person can steal again, right?

4 hours ago, mittsigirl said:

On another note, I was all ready to research like mad to find out facts about the Duggar situation. That day the power had been surging like crazy in the house. That night, an old faulty breaker in the very old breaker box caused my t.v, laptop, electrical heaters and water pump-everything that used the old breaker box-all got shorted out, just very lucky that I was still awake and caught it or the entire house could have burned down! The electrician came out early the next morning, and we replaced everything that had been fried, so it's all safe now. The only modern thing that never shorted out because it was getting it's power from the newer breaker box from when we added the addition to the old house, was the damn router, the only thing that never had to be replaced!! Maybe it's a sign that I spend too much time snarking about these people? Nah, never going to stop the only fun I have!

Are you sure the router wasn't behind it all? Routers are very, very sneaky after all, we now know from Josh's trial!

[starfire]

Is it possible that the courts/CPS could tell Anna that she is not allowed to live on Jimbob's property, due to his coverup and denial of Josh's problems? I worry about Anna's kids and any other kids who have potentially had time alone with Josh.  Josh is seriously disturbed. Anna is not to be trusted either since she is staying with and protects a pedophile. What else are these people hiding?

[Rootbeer]

1 minute ago, starfire said:

Is it possible that the courts/CPS could tell Anna that she is not allowed to live on Jimbob's property, due to his coverup and denial of Josh's problems? I worry about Anna's kids and any other kids who have potentially had time alone with Josh.  Josh is seriously disturbed. Anna is not to be trusted either since she is staying with and protects a pedophile. What else are these people hiding?

That would be highly unlikely.  CPS is going to realize that Anna has almost no options to support herself and 7 little kids for the next few years without her FIL's assistance.  JB is the lesser of several evils in this case.  There are too many kids out there who have no one they can count on to provide a roof over their heads and food on the table for CPS to deny the M's access to support.

[starfire]

2 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

That would be highly unlikely.  CPS is going to realize that Anna has almost no options to support herself and 7 little kids for the next few years without her FIL's assistance.  JB is the lesser of several evils in this case.  There are too many kids out there who have no one they can count on to provide a roof over their heads and food on the table for CPS to deny the M's access to support.

Makes sense. I guess the brainwashing will continue on.

[emmawoodhouse]

In which Anna utters the sentence that will likely define her for the rest of her life.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1535598723224604/permalink/4534790113305435/

[starfire]

19 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

In which Anna utters the sentence that will likely define her for the rest of her life.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1535598723224604/permalink/4534790113305435/

I had to join that FB to see what it was. It was quick, though. I passed the entrance exam and was in within about a minute. 🤣

Poor, pathetic Anna. She has such low standards.

[emmawoodhouse]

Sorry, I don't do TikTok, and I couldn't make out the user name. ☹️

[iwantcookies]

30 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

In which Anna utters the sentence that will likely define her for the rest of her life.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1535598723224604/permalink/4534790113305435/

What was it?

[emmawoodhouse]

17 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

What was it?

At least I have a husband. With a montage of pictures of Smuggar ignoring her and the kids 

Edited December 18, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[mittsigirl]

20 minutes ago, starfire said:

I had to join that FB to see what it was. It was quick, though. I passed the entrance exam and was in within about a minute. 🤣

Poor, pathetic Anna. She has such low standards.

Been 3 minutes for me, maybe they don't like my answers?! Yes, she certainly does have low standards, she married him, didn't she?!

 

16 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Sorry, I don't do TikTok, and I couldn't make out the user name. ☹️

I thought that I was the only person who doesn't do TicTok!

[mittsigirl]

Bowman Fedosky grew up with Josh and his family. He is verified AMA by mods on reddit, answering questions from posted comments. He said that when he was between the age of 9-12 and Josh was between 15-16, Josh gave his family some used computers, and thought that he had deleted the porn from those computers. But he never, and that was the first time Bowman ever saw porn. His parents knew about it and still kept their friendly relationship with Josh and his parents. They just bury their heads in the sand I guess, what a way to live a life.

[LilJen]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

At least I have a husband. With a montage of pictures of Smuggar ignoring her and the kids 

Seriously? For real? Better to have a husband who is a criminal scumbag than to be unmarried? 🙄

[mittsigirl]

He says that the girls used to laugh and joke around John David, but they were very quiet and subdued around Josh. Josh also confessed about Ashly Madison and the prostitute to Mr. Fedosky, but Bowman was not in church the day Josh had to confess. Mrs. Fedosky included in her home schooling curriculum that Bowman had to provide free labor to Jim Bob while their mansion was being built, because it was part of learning trades.