Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Tabbygirl521]

Random thought: so God and/or Jesus will forgive deliberate sins and mistakes as long as you repent. But you're SOL if you (even as a sheltered, naive teen) make an honest mistake and marry someone who turns out to be unsuitable or incompatible. Or even worse, your stupid dad chose the guy, so it is HIS error. Sorry, Anna. Suck it up.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Tabbygirl521

[3girlsforus]

I kind of disagree with this. Josh is an adult. If he wants to look at porn, he should look at porn. If he wants to have sex with other women, he should do so. Anna's not his mom -- he's not a little boy.  The problem is that they don't have an honest relationship, and their entire marriage is based on a completely fake premise. Josh has never been honest about his sexuality with Anna -- what he likes and doesn't like. He has either not been honest, or Anna simply hasn't listened to him about their family size.

 

 

I disagree that Josh can just do what he wants because he's an adult. If he wanted to look at porn and have sex with multiple women then it should not have gotten married. I know the view of looking at porn varies but I'd wager that nearly everyone on this board would agree that when you get married you are agreeing to not have sex with other people. Whether or not Josh was able to 'close the deal' with someone or not isn't really relevant. He was definitely trying to have sex with other people. Married people aren't supposed to do that. As far as the porn stuff goes, while many of us may view that as ok, it is absolutely clear that 'sure you can look at porn' was not something they agreed to. If Josh still wants to do those things he needs to leave Anna. 

[JenCarroll]

Since Josh is his own headship (ugh, that term), why would he have to submit to a chaperone, giving up his computers, etc? On whose authority? Threat of excommunication from the pretend church? I don't get it.

He needs to stop thinking with his little headship. :-)

[Chai]

Interesting..... I too am estranged from my immediate family because they thought they knew what was best for me and put it out on social media. It was, as they say, the straw that broke the camel's back and they are no longer part of my life. That is what rankles me about what Daniel did. Yes, Anna is sheltered and naive but she is a grown woman and a mother of 4. What she does is her business, nobody else's. Perhaps staying with him is a mistake, but it is her mistake to make. She should not be disparaged by her family members for any of her choices. What Daniel did seems to me to make sure we all knew how Daniel felt about this. How Daniel is not like his parents. How Daniel would handle. Fine talk for a brother to a sister, but this does not mean the world as such needs to get involved. "She won't listen" they say. She DOESN'T HAVE TOO! And Daniel's solution is not to respect her decision and offer what support is accepted, but it's to take the argument public and shame her further into "listening". Love does not equal "my way or the highway". Anna will do what Anna will do. Most likely some of us won't agree, and that is our right. But Anna has the right to live her life as she chooses.

Free will is what God gave everyone and the one thing I noticed the Duggars gave to no one.

[Chicklet]

Note to Hundfan, I would SO read your funny Vikings.

[Anne Elk]

Anna's going to be busy enough raising her own kids; she doesn't need the burden of retroactively raising a kid Jim Bob and Michelle apparently couldn't be bothered to raise themselves. Especially when he's supposed to be her husband and headship. 

 

Unfortunately I don't think Josh is going to be able to keep his hand out of the cookie jar (literally and figuratively) if someone isn't watching him like a hawk. But that's not Anna's job. If she does it he's just going to resent her, she'll resent him, and whatever feelings may actually exist between them will die. And it's not Jim Bob's job or Michelle's or any of the million other Duggars. Josh is an adult now. What Josh needs is a counselor who will sit him down and force him to learn how to make good choices and control his impulses. They're out there, but probably not approved by the Gothards.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Anne Elk

[xls]

Anna's brother slams Josh on FB

http://www.etonline.com/news/170563_anna_duggar_brother_daniel_keller_slams_josh_duggar/

[kokapetl]

It's not necessary in the Baptist church, because the Baptist church recognizes divorce as valid, in most cases. The Catholic Church doesn't consider divorce a sin at all; remarrying without an annulment is adultery, because the Church doesn't recognize civil divorce as having done anything at all spiritually. You might as well still be married, as far as they're concerned. In most Baptist churches I've attended, the divorce itself is treated as an act of adultery, but it is recognized as spiritually valid. In the strictest churches, you might have to repent for your divorce. In my church, it is treated like every other sin, between you and God, and in most cases, you're allowed to remarry without any real trouble. It's hard to say anything about what "the Baptist church" teaches, though, because Baptist churches are only associated by choice; there is no real hierarchy, session, presbytery, whatever to appeal to. You can be dropped from an association if your church goes way off, but you can still call yourself Baptist.

Keep in mind that ATI is a parachurch organization, and that the members belong to different churches. My friend is a member of a Reformed Presbyterian church, and they've dealt with Gothardites. Her church is WAY more conservative than mine, but even they think ATI is weird. And the non-denominational Bible church I attended in college had ATI members as part of the church. Josh and Anna aren't really Baptist in the sense that say, I am. I belong to, and pay tithes to, and work in ministries at, a Baptist church. The Duggars don't seem to have any accountability outside of their own family.

Is there any "acceptable" way for Anna to get out of this marriage besides waiting for Josh to have his heart attack at 35?

[LilyoftheValley]

JMO over here but it seems clear that what Josh needs is a divorce and to be a single.  If, as a single man without any pressure from outside influences, he decides on his own accord that he wants to be a decent human being, then more power to him.  Maybe after that he and Anna can reconcile.  But it is just so obvious that the married quiverful lifestyle is not for him.  Why should his wife and family and even Josh (yeah I went there) suffer through years of beating a dead horse?  It makes no sense to me.  

[Fuzzysox]

Is there any "acceptable" way for Anna to get out of this marriage besides waiting for Josh to have his heart attack at 35?

Bet she is letting him have as many donut burgers as he wants.

[Chicklet]

If I were Anna I'd rapidly increase his intake of saturated fats and carbs and keep at it until he explodes one way or the other.

[Saint TV]

I've heard that vigorous sex, when combined with a steady diet of saturated fats and carbs and seasoned with high levels of tension, can result in exploding heart syndrome. Plus, Anna might get pregnant.

Win, win.

[3girlsforus]

Is there any "acceptable" way for Anna to get out of this marriage besides waiting for Josh to have his heart attack at 35?

 

Biblically sexual immorality is grounds for divorce. So if they are telling Anna that she has to stay with him because that's what Jesus wants, they need to open the Bible again. (or maybe for the first time considering their warped beliefs)

[JayInChicago]

I really wish people here would stop using Josh's fatness as though it's part and parcel of him being a bad person.  Fat people aren't bad people.  Bad people are bad people, and it's pretty clear that Josh is one.

When you mock someone's size, what you are really saying is "I hate fat people." 

[leighroda]

Gothard has some pretty stringent rules about when a couple can't have sex:

This doesn't leave a ton of opportunities.

Even if Anna greeted Josh at the door every evening wearing a Playboy bunny outfit, I guarantee this would still have happened.

I didn't know about the 7 days after a period, that's crazy. Who plans sex out like that!? What do they do if the mood just strikes them? Do they have to stop and whip out a calendar and make sure it's been 7 days? Do they have alarms on their phone to let them know they are in the clear?

[sleekandchic]

I truly believe some people are not meant to be married -- not cut out for the monogamous life, especially at a young age with very litlle sexual experience.

Josh strikes me as a guy longing for sexual experience, experimentation and variety. Like lots of guys of my generation, if marriage is a goal, it's not a goal until 30 to 35.

Because of the Gothard-cult insanity, Josh's autonomy and independence over his sex life and female companionship were usurped.

I feel sorry for Josh to a slight extent. But his hateful bigotry toward his fellow humans, based on such a stringent, myopic, unyielding view of others, is wrong and unacceptable to me. He has free will. He doesnt have to accept the party line, unconditionally and oh so fervently.

Maybe Josh and Anna can move beyond the infidelities, lies, subterfuge, hypocrisy, betrayal. I know I could never forgive or move beyond shit like that. First, I'd get devastated; then, I'd move on to my next guy. 1.2.3! Big difference is, I guess, my parents fostered independent thinking.

I cannot imagine being locked into ONE accepted way of living. God forbid if one of us Swedes had brown eyes! Off to the EYE-DYE salon.

The Duggars remind me of The Eye of the Beholder episode from the Twilight Zone. Newsflash: one size does not fit all. Let your kids be independent thinkers, true to their authentic selves.

[cmr2014]

I disagree that Josh can just do what he wants because he's an adult. If he wanted to look at porn and have sex with multiple women then it should not have gotten married. I know the view of looking at porn varies but I'd wager that nearly everyone on this board would agree that when you get married you are agreeing to not have sex with other people. Whether or not Josh was able to 'close the deal' with someone or not isn't really relevant. He was definitely trying to have sex with other people. Married people aren't supposed to do that. As far as the porn stuff goes, while many of us may view that as ok, it is absolutely clear that 'sure you can look at porn' was not something they agreed to. If Josh still wants to do those things he needs to leave Anna. 

I don't know that I expressed myself well. I am not implying that married people should be trolling porn sites, and it's okay because they are adults. And, I do agree that Josh should leave Anna. I think he has been dishonest with her from the start, and I don't think they have a real marriage -- a contract implies a meeting of the minds that I don't think they have.

 

I think that Josh entered into this marriage pretending that he bought into all the Gothard stuff: a dozen kids, homeschooling, a wife who keeps her knees and elbows covered at all times out of "modesty," etc. I don't think he wants any of that. He has said multiple times that he only wants 2-3 kids, and everyone saw the look on his face when Anna announced #4. He has mentioned multiple times that he wanted to be a lawyer -- I don't recall him ever saying that he wanted to run a car lot and live under his father's "umbrella" forever.The profiles that he has posted show a very ordinary guy with very ordinary desires -- maybe he simply wants to enjoy sex with a person who's interested rather than simple performing her wifely duty.

 

I think that Anna buys into the Gothard playbook 100%. Her job is to pop out babies, homeschool them with official Gothard doctrine, and be available for sex whenever Josh is in the mood. I think that she has become more and more aware of Josh's preferences over the years, but she doesn't care. I don't think she's interested in compromise or loosening up on the Gothard dogma, and she doesn't have to be, She is playing the game that she signed on to play, but that's not a marriage.

 

Josh is a liar and a cheater, and I wouldn't want to be married to him for 5 minutes, but I was responding to a post that included a laundry list of surveylence measures that Anna should employ to keep Josh on the straight and narrow.Anna can't, and shouldn't be expected to, monitor him 24/7 -- I don't know what that is, but it's not a marriage. If they want to be married, they need to figure out how to communicate their wants and needs to each other, compromise where they can, and prioritize one another's feelings the way that most normal married people do.

 

Personally, I don't think that Josh wants to follow Gothard at all, and I think that Anna is all-in, I think that for Anna following the Gothard rules is an imperative for her soul and will take precedent over her marriage and the desires of her husband. if their desires are that far apart, I think that they are better off apart.

[LilyoftheValley]

At the end of the day, we can go back forth about what Josh and Anna both should or should not do, but I think that the elephant in the room has been screaming one thing over and over again this entire time: Josh and Anna simply are not a good match.

[Wellfleet]

How dumb can you be to use your job or personal e mail

 

Totally agree. We are 20+ years into an online society for "virtually" - sorry I couldn't resist - everything. I can't believe people are still using personal e-mails, and even more incredibly their work e-mails, for so many computer activities. At my university we were required to attend mandatory digital self-defense classes. We were sent alerts all the time about the latest scams and phishing attempts etc, and were reminded on a regular basis about policy regarding university computing. I had a terrible time getting one of my sisters - a firm believer in chain letters - to quit sending those to me. Even innocent little chain letters were frowned on. I paid attention though - because I was terrified of getting on the wrong kind of lists and finding myself being inundated with crap, porn - or worse - constantly.

[Wellfleet]

Not to mention parents who force you to stay because to divorce would make THEM look like failures. 

 

Yes. I don't think this can be overemphasized. Both sets of parents are humiliated in a major way here, within the Gothard community and beyond. Set apart even in their own "set-apart" world. And so close on the heels of Molester Gate. I'd love to know if Boob and Me-chelle have left the compound since the news became public. Since they know only such a small set of people, where could they go? Do any of their many vehicles have those special black-tinted Presidential motorcade windows? If not, I guess Me-chelle has been assigning someone to a daily Starbucks run.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Wellfleet

[LilyoftheValley]

Yes. I don't think this can be overemphasized. Both sets of parents are humiliated in a major way here, within the Gothard community and beyond. Set apart even in their own "set-apart" world. And so close on the heels of Molester Gate. I'd love to know if Boob and Me-chelle have left the compound since the news became public. Since they know only such a small set of people, where could they go? Do any of their many vehicles have those special black-tinted Presidential motorcade windows? If not, I guess Me-chelle has been assigning someone to a daily Starbucks run.

This is the real issue here.  This whole nonsense about forgiveness and repentance and being a Godly man again is nothing more than face-saving.  The Duggars and Kellers are completely humiliated that despite having screamed from the hilltops that they have child-rearing all figured out, that they actually produce a completely rotten product on occasion.  Mark my words, this will not be the last time we hear of a "fallen" Duggar.

[muffkins]

kathe5133, on 24 Aug 2015 - 6:14 PM, said:

 

Interesting..... I too am estranged from my immediate family because they thought they knew what was best for me and put it out on social media. It was, as they say, the straw that broke the camel's back and they are no longer part of my life. That is what rankles me about what Daniel did. Yes, Anna is sheltered and naive but she is a grown woman and a mother of 4. What she does is her business, nobody else's. Perhaps staying with him is a mistake, but it is her mistake to make. She should not be disparaged by her family members for any of her choices. What Daniel did seems to me to make sure we all knew how Daniel felt about this. How Daniel is not like his parents. How Daniel would handle. Fine talk for a brother to a sister, but this does not mean the world as such needs to get involved. "She won't listen" they say. She DOESN'T HAVE TOO! And Daniel's solution is not to respect her decision and offer what support is accepted, but it's to take the argument public and shame her further into "listening". Love does not equal "my way or the highway". Anna will do what Anna will do. Most likely some of us won't agree, and that is our right. But Anna has the right to live her life as she chooses.

I don't see it as him "putting it out in public on social media" He is responding to a post by Josh's sister that basically says "forgive Josh, he's repented and god wants you to."  He didn't call Anna names, say she was stupid or attack her in anyway.  He did all that to Josh.  He just put it out there that she and her children have a place to go if they need it, and he is willing to cover all the costs, or even come get them.  He is putting it out there that she has choices on what to do.  He also said she has chosen not to take him up on this.  At no point did I get the feeling from him that he is calling her out over anything.  The only reason it is showing up publicly is that Josh's sisters' page is public, not him.

Edited August 25, 2015 by muffkins

[cmr2014]

So, yes, the Duggs and Kellers were riding high as Very Special Famous Superbreeder Parents of Holier-than-thine Loinfruit, at least in certain circles, and now an adult son[-in-law] has been exposed as a hypocrite, looking for adulterous sex online. Ya know, I'm fresh out of sh*ts to give about their battered parental pride. It's called life, and it's unpredictable, and those kids they spawned are people instead of programmable robots and will behave in ways their parents can't control. Which Ma and Pa Duggar and Keller will never figure out, because they will never pull their heads out of their own rear ends and deal with life on life's terms. And of course Joshgate II hits them all the harder because at least for JB Duggar and Pa Keller, and probably for their spouses, it's really All About Them, All The Time.

 

This is definitely what it is all about.

 

I don't believe for one minute that JB and J'chelle are concerned about Anna, or what she might be feeling. I don't think that they are concerned about Josh and the possibility that he might have some sort of emotional or mental health problem that should have been treated years ago. And I doubt that the "precious gandbabies" have crossed either of their minds for one instant since this whole thing blew up.

 

They are concerned about themselves: their TV show, their speaking engagments, their platform as righteous religious blowhards, their standing in their community. Whatever is wrong with Josh -- he came by it honestly. I don't think that there is anyone in this family who is capable of genuien empathy.

[Saint TV]

In short, they're worried about their BRAND. And well they should be. Their child-rearing choices mean that their adult kids have little real education and little to no chances at jobs that will allow them to support limitless numbers of children. They need their TV revenue, appearance fees, book royalties and the like.

That's going to be a problem - and all because of Josh - and the wife who apparently couldn't satisfy him.

Dear lord, this makes me angry.

[becca3891]

I’m a little confused.  Couldn’t  Pa Keller have kept his well paying  job & did his prison ministry in his free time?

 

You would think. Just like you would think David Rodrigues could print pamphlets in his spare time as opposed to calling it a full time ministry and going begging to support it. Speaking of Pa Keller, I remember David Waller putting on his blog that a condition of his being allowed to propose to Priscilla was him agreeing to be accountable to her with his internet use. I imagine Pa Keller made Josh give a similar promise, and I like to think that he's still furious even though he is also counseling Anna to stay.

 

 

Regarding the twitter we suspect is Josh, that guy uses the F word a lot.  

I somehow missed this. Does someone have a link?

 

This is probably a pretty obvious observation for most, but it just occurred to me. I always thought all the measures the Duggars had in place were a bit extreme, and that what has come out about them has happened despite those measures. But it just occurred to me that many of those were probably put into place more BECAUSE of Josh. The boys only being allowed to have flip phones, Nike, never being alone... I guess it makes it all make more sense.

Everyone in Gothard's world has those same standards, though.

[Chalby]

I've only seen a handful of 19 Kids and Counting episodes, but one I'll never forget was Anna carting her children around DC by herself, I think on some errands and to the park. She was as squeaky and high-pitched as ever with the "I'm really learning and enjoying this new challenge in my life!" stuff, but the look on her face and the footage of her trying to deal with everything was totally heartbreaking. 

I remember watching that episode with the same feeling you had. Poor Anna, you could see the slow realization dcross Anna's face as she surveyed her progress thus far. Not fun, not cute, not relaxing.

[becca3891]

  I would think that a decent and sympathetic husband would not demand it at a time like this, but we're talking about Josh Duggar here.  

 

The OP was talking about the Gothard teaching that you shouldn't have sex the night before church service, and what a wife like Anna is supposed to do when her husband asks for sex during a time when Gothard forbids it.

 

Any additional details?

Here's the link. Read it while you can -- Josh appears to have either forgotten about its existence or is stupid enough to think no one would link it with him. REALLY, REALLY NSFW! https://twitter.com/toughguyy11

 

I really wish people here would stop using Josh's fatness as though it's part and parcel of him being a bad person.  Fat people aren't bad people.  Bad people are bad people, and it's pretty clear that Josh is one.

When you mock someone's size, what you are really saying is "I hate fat people." 

I agree, and given the fact that two-thirds of Americans are overweight, it's hard to believe that no one here snarking about his weight is not in fact overweight him/herself. There is so much to complain about when it comes to Josh that I don't understand why his unremarkable extra pounds are getting so much attention!

Edited August 25, 2015 by frenchtoast
Needed NSFW warning

[mbutterfly]

OK, well I see things through a different lens I guess, Flowers and I'm getting called out for a difference of opinion, I'm sorry that it seems offensive to you -- right or wrong. Can we just agree to disagree? What's right is right" is subjective, IMO. And BTW, the only thing I have taken issue with is Daniel making public, otherwise we're on the same page.

I really don't see a good reason for any of these people to make a public statement about anything. Josh has apologized as much as he's going to. Nobody holds public nor any other office of trust. Nobody has a television show. They have a private family situation now. 

[NextIteration]

Here's the link. Read it while you can -- Josh appears to have either forgotten about its existence or is stupid enough to think no one would link it with him. REALLY, REALLY NSFW https://twitter.com/toughguyy11

 

It's the same catfished photo.  I had no idea that tweeting photos like that was allowed, good for drumming up "interest" I guess.

[Granny58]

But wouldn't that be "wasting seed?"

Also, Josh and Anna have a home separate from the TTH, right? So I hope Anna is there, NOT surrounded by others.

AFAIK, it is NOT unblbilical to have sex for enjoyment and relationship, only that one not stand in the way of a natural pregnancy happening.   

[poopchute]

Do people think that Twitter is Josh's because of the picture or is there some other evidence? I thought I read that when you google "random guy" that guys pic is one of the first results so I'm sure josh isn't the first loser to use it. That Twitter is pretty nasty, not that it couldn't be Josh but if it is, gross.

[JenCarroll]

This is from the old Testament.  Perhaps someone who is Jewish might be able to explain.  There are lots of restrictions including taking a special bath called a mikva( I probably spelled that wrong), but I think mostly orthodox and Hasidic women do this.

Sorry, I got nothing...

[Churchhoney]

OK, well I see things through a different lens I guess, Flowers and I'm getting called out for a difference of opinion, I'm sorry that it seems offensive to you -- right or wrong. Can we just agree to disagree? What's right is right" is subjective, IMO. And BTW, the only thing I have taken issue with is Daniel making public, otherwise we're on the same page.

 

Absolutely. There's no black and white to these things anyway. For me, the great thing about discussing these things with a lot of very bright people -- as happens here! -- is that we all bring different lenses from our own experiences and see different shades and aspects of what may be going on. Agreeing to disagree is the only way to go. (although hard sometimes, since most of us seem to have really strong feelings and opinions about all of this!)

Edited August 25, 2015 by Churchhoney

[cheatincheetos]

"Fargone" should be added to Webster's "great new words" list.

Josh dropped to his knees, then crumpled forward. But with a little luck he could still get most of the pastrami and sauerkraut back on the rye. Maybe lunch wasn't fargone after all.

This epic vignette made me laugh until my bladder was almost fargone.

[CherryMalotte]

The only really good thing to come out of the aftermath of this is if it inspired a couple of the younger Duggerlings to slip away out of the compound, never to return, and to have wonderful productive lives.

[Wellfleet]

I really wish people here would stop using Josh's fatness as though it's part and parcel of him being a bad person.  Fat people aren't bad people.  Bad people are bad people, and it's pretty clear that Josh is one.

When you mock someone's size, what you are really saying is "I hate fat people." 

 

Yes, very true. Obesity is one of the last prejudices still standing. i'm in no way saying we've conquered all the others obviously, but we have come a long way in many arenas. But most people don't give a second's thought about obesity. And fat kids are still chosen last for sports teams, too. 

Edited August 25, 2015 by Wellfleet

[Loves2Dance]

What the everloving fuck???

I'm fairly confident this part actually comes from the Bible itself. Though I'm not religious, I have read it and this was one of those parts where my nose went to the air. 

[Julia]

I can't speak for anyone else, but the only thing I find striking about Jim Bob and Josh being less-than-completely toned is that it's one more prejudice they deploy against other people while not thinking it applies to them. It's a little hard to accept that those two come from a family where already strikingly slim adolescent girls are in regimented diet programs for weight control.

And yes, for the record, they're both still less out of shape than I am.

[frenchtoast]

Please, please, please label heavily any NSFW link. With all the talk about people getting in trouble for using their work emails, it's likely that posters here may read (and click on links) from work. They have no idea if a link is problematic and it could very well lead to trouble for someone here clicking on a link. Better yet, don't post links to pictures that are essentially porn. A simple, "There's some really risque photos at xxx site. Just look for this." And let people find it on their own. 

Edited August 25, 2015 by frenchtoast
Added some clarification

[Julia]

Unless People's really got a huge audience for those Duggar cover stories, I can't believe that we'll see many more of them.

And if what I'm hearing is true, the pooch defrauded Jim Bob on that one. The Daily News is saying that the reason those articles had a rehash feel to them is that they offered the family a pay-for-play deal and Jim Bob insisted they would only talk about things which weren't the scandal. It looks like the only person who still has a gravy train stopping at People is Amy.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Julia

[Loves2Dance]

I respectfully disagree.  That is way too much work for a wife.  If a married man can't keep it in his pants without being watched 24/7- to hell with him.  For someone that wants to do something, they will find a way.  Remember, Josh is 'sly'.  YUCK. 

 

I would much rather kick his greasy scummy being to the curb and hit him with a ruler any time I saw him trying to come back in my house.  

We knew a man who was obsessed with showing himself on the internet that it cost him his career (military) and the wive had still yet to leave. The guy was dumb enough to take pictures and post then while he was in uniform with his nametape on; then as he was in the process of being kicked out, went to the post's library to do it again. There is a difference between addiction and just being a douchebag. Josh clearly has an addiction; nothing is going to stop him but psychiatric help---which he won't get because Jesus. 

 

Anna can think whatever she wants, but psychology will be more than happy to tell her how all of this is going to play out. 

[Oldernowiser]

That's hilarious. Every once in a while I think that I must be judging these people too harshly and surely no one is that delusional or narcissistic. Then I read something like that.

JimBob? What the hell else is there to talk about? Babies? Your oh-so-effective parenting rules? Your sex life? Cheap weddings?

He's a fool.

[Loves2Dance]

Any additional details?

The images, cursing, and all out adultness of this twitter account makes me not want to post it here. Google it; but do not open at work or around children please. It's beyond Not Safe For Work material.

 

NSFW NSFW NSFW NOT SAFE AROUND CHILDREN EITHER!

Here's an article about it: http://www.celebrityxo.com/celebrities-xo/josh-duggars-very-nsfw-twitter/

Edited August 25, 2015 by Loves2Dance

[3girlsforus]

AFAIK, it is NOT unblbilical to have sex for enjoyment and relationship, only that one not stand in the way of a natural pregnancy happening.   

 

It is not unbiblical to have sex for enjoyment/relationship. It is also not unbiblical to use birth control. The Bible simply said that children are a gift from God. It doesn't say you need to constantly try to get as many gifts as possible. It means to cherish the ones you are given.

[Fuzzysox]

If I were Anna I'd rapidly increase his intake of saturated fats and carbs and keep at it until he explodes one way or the other.

The next revision on the Duggar site will be:

 

Josh has had issues with Dolly Madison so now he has been advised to have a sit down with Jenny Craig to resolve them.

[kokapetl]

That Twitter account has a bit of a UK vibe coming from it, it might just be another (but British) lazy guy who did a search for "random guy" and found that guy's picture. I dunno why whoever it was just didn't use the default egg. It doesn't really match up with Josh "gentleness", "bubble baths" and particularly his "no swearing while cheating" desires. Plus the account is still up, Josh probably would've cancelled it by now, 2 or so days too late.

[kokapetl]

It is not unbiblical to have sex for enjoyment/relationship. It is also not unbiblical to use birth control. The Bible simply said that children are a gift from God. It doesn't say you need to constantly try to get as many gifts as possible. It means to cherish the ones you are given.

The sex does still need to be, if only at the end, p in v though right? The Smuggars unwisely took an oath at their wedding promising to God that they would "let God choose" the size of their family, I'd imagine sex that circumvents that is verboten.

[Cherrio]

The next revision on the Duggar site will be:

 

Josh has had issues with Dolly Madison so now he has been advised to have a sit down with Jenny Craig to resolve them.

Love this !!

[CherryAmes]

Josh has apologized as much as he's going to.

 

For that matter exactly why is he apologizing to anyone but his wife, and arguably his family?  He doesn't hold public office, he doesn't even work right now AFAIK.  Does he really owe the Great American Public anything anymore including apologies?  I am not saying this to excuse him in anyway at all but honestly the apology only makes it seem like he's way more important in the grand scheme of things than he actually is!

[Satchels of gold]

I can't be the only one waiting patiently for the steamy messages and penis pics, right?