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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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farmgal4

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27 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Is Jeremy attending Alert? What's with the shaved head? It definitely ages him. 

He only has about a 2-inch wide landing strip on top, so he probably thought that shaving his head was his only option.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man age quite as quickly and badly as he has.

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libgirl2

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25 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

He only has about a 2-inch wide landing strip on top, so he probably thought that shaving his head was his only option.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man age quite as quickly and badly as he has.

I went to school with one guy who was balding Sophmore year. He also looked middle aged. Another guy was going very thin Senior year. 

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Scarlett45

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3 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

He only has about a 2-inch wide landing strip on top, so he probably thought that shaving his head was his only option.  I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man age quite as quickly and badly as he has.

I think he looks better with the shaved head. Fresher some how. Maybe it's just a good photo because he is smiling and sitting with Jinger. I noted the way she was grasping onto him, their embrace doesnt look mutual. But at least she likes him.

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Cinnabon

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4 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

I think he looks 35.  And no more floppy locks for Jer, he's embracing the hairline.  Unlike his Duggar bro-in-laws.  

I say they knew exactly what sign would show up in the photo.  A little twisted humor aimed at the righteous humpers.  

Aren’t those still the majority of their true followers?

Salacious Kitty

Salacious Kitty

4 minutes ago, Tasya said:

I also think he looks good with the shaved head. Much, much better. 

On another note, how old is Felicity now? I'm wondering if we're going to get some school info soon, she should be off to preschool right?

Four this month, I think. Unless her birthday was in July, in which case she's already four.

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sagittarius sue

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34 minutes ago, Tasya said:

I also think he looks good with the shaved head. Much, much better. 

On another note, how old is Felicity now? I'm wondering if we're going to get some school info soon, she should be off to preschool right?

I would imagine there's a MacArthur-approved Christian pre-school in her near future.

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ginger90

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21 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

I would imagine there's a MacArthur-approved Christian pre-school in her near future.

Pre-school would probably be at the church.

Then there’s: https://www.graceacademy.org/

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An article about the school:

https://premierchristian.news/us/news/article/john-mcarthur-s-church-to-launch-2-primary-schools-in-the-autumn

From the article: They will charge approximately $5,000 per student. 
 

“In this Christ-centered academic community, credentialed teachers will provide in-class instruction 14 hours per week, and parents will lead approximately 16 hours of at-home instruction, following a thoughtfully designed curriculum.”

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TigerLily20

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7 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

An article about the school:

https://premierchristian.news/us/news/article/john-mcarthur-s-church-to-launch-2-primary-schools-in-the-autumn

From the article: They will charge approximately $5,000 per student. 
 

“In this Christ-centered academic community, credentialed teachers will provide in-class instruction 14 hours per week, and parents will lead approximately 16 hours of at-home instruction, following a thoughtfully designed curriculum.”

$5,000 per kid for the parents to do more of the work at home than the teachers......I am one who is still pro-homework but come on.......

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awaken

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21 hours ago, Bayarea4 said:

I suspect they wouldn't have shared this had they noticed the saying on the wall behind them. It reads "Your body is not a temple. It's an amusement park." 😄

That’s the first thing I noticed!  The sign!  Re: the foot. Either they stashed the toddler behind them to keep her face off of SM, or specifically put a Nike in the photo since their own weren’t highlighted. 🙄

4 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Then she must have already surpassed Jinger intellectually.

Soooo bad!!!!  I’m totally laughing!  

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madpsych78

madpsych78

21 hours ago, SnapHappy said:

I think he looks 35.  And no more floppy locks for Jer, he's embracing the hairline.  Unlike his Duggar bro-in-laws.  

I say they knew exactly what sign would show up in the photo.  A little twisted humor aimed at the righteous humpers.  

Jeremy may seem like he has aged a bit, but he will be 35 in September and I also agree that he looks his age. Jinger, OTOH, looks younger than her age.

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Churchhoney

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4 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

Jinger might be able to teach/homeschool  up to 2nd grade tops.

Well, spread that amount of information and skills out over a 12-year period and you probably have as much education as MacArthur and company really want most kids to have....

.If they learn to do much more than that with their brains, they may start thinking thoughts that haven't been directly handed to them by TPTB. Preventing that is the main reason they're starting their "school," I expect. 

The fear of a younger generation in today's increasingly heathen world becoming less fearful and isolationist and more open-minded and curious scares the bejesus out of them.

Raises the spectre of kids of their congregation actively questioning their misogyny, their homophobia, their anti-social-justice stances, their anti-psychology and anti-science leanings 

And if that happens, their congregation will dwindle more over time than it's already doing. And the Johnny Mac Gang's Bank Accounts Jesus would suffer from that!

So gotta keep 'em locked up in a "school" where everybody's tightly indoctrinated by MacArthur devotees a few days a week and stuck at the dining room table with My Only Identity Is As a Christian-Wife Mommy the rest of the time. 

This doesn't have anything to do with education. It has everything to do with stifling critical thought, no matter what they pretend. Just a slightly more pretentious Southern Cal-tinged version of the Gothard-and-Duggar academy. 

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Churchhoney

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27 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Want most girls to have. FIFY.

I think it probably goes for most boys, too, actually. For one thing, MacArthur's well known for despising and casting away even any of the men in his seminary who have the audacity to question any of the stances he takes. He demands acolytes, not people who think. 

And I expect that the whole Covid thing and cultural changes like gay marriage and so on have them quite spooked about the danger that a whole generation -- male and female -- is ultimately turning against their most cherished beliefs -- which don't allow for any  wiggle room. 

If a young guy goes to a non-conservative-Christian school he's likely to become acquainted with gay people and find out that he doesn't think they're immediately hellbound, for example.....And ditto for Jews, Muslims, atheists, Catholics, etc.....And they don't want that kind of tolerance in the heads of boys any more than they want it in the heads of girls. 

So while, yeah, misogyny remains rampant with them, I'm pretty sure this is more than just an attempt to control girls.

It's an attempt to control a generation that they're terrified will slip away from them and destroy their power (not to mention their big incomes).

When you look at opinion polls on social and cultural issues, the young as a group are tolerating and even embracing a lot of things that are absolute anathema to the MacArthur guys. And so their power structure depends on their keeping as many of the young generation as possible away from that shift, whichever sex they are, I believe.

And since they've convinced themselves that their power structure is actually aligned completely with God himself, I'm sure they feel utterly justified and holy as all heck as they do whatever they can to defend it. 

Look at the Duggars, even. They don't educate boys any more than they educate girls. Boys have a bit more freedom and agency in some ways. But not when it comes to being encouraged to know things. or Learn things. That way apostasy lies. 

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Salacious Kitty

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Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores? 

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Notabug

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Just now, Salacious Kitty said:

Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores? 

Anymore, the SAT and ACT are going the way of the dinosaur and many colleges are phasing them out or making them optional.  Currently, Liberty requires scores from either test or the CLT which seems to be a liberal arts 'alternative' type exam.

When Johnny Mac claims to teach critical thinking, he means he teaches his students to be critical of anyone who thinks.

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Churchhoney

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15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Johnny Mac's school says they teach critical thinking skills as the kids get older. I'd like to know how that works with them. Are they using Socratic methods? They claim that they can get your kid into college, but they don't specify which colleges. Do any of the bigger Christian diploma mills like Liberty or PCC even require SAT or ACT scores? 

JM makes a big thing out of how his seminary and university teach "criticial thinking" too. But while they do stress a certain kind of logic and other intellectual disciplines and subject matter, it's ultimately all about "criticize things from my standpoint." ....

There's certainly an intellectual component to what the seminary teachers ...

But when they teach Hebrew and Greek, for example, so the preachers-in-training can say that they're revealing wht the original-source Bible says, they somehow say that the principles of their particular sect are "the truth" and that truth is your lens, so when you supposedly closely read and analyze the Hebrew text of some Old Testament passage, your brand of "critical analysis" will turn up the "truth" that in fact it means just exactly what Johnny Mac told you it meant. .... 

So you definitely use your mind in some ways, but if you're following their teaching, your interpretations and thoughts always come out supporting the belief system that obtains there. .... What you call critical thinking uses a certain kind of analysis and kind of logic, but all it ends criticizing is incorrect is stuff you were taught to disbelieve,,,,

There are definitely Master's Seminar grads who now reject various parts of the overall belief system -- but JM absolutely condemns the kind of critical thinking (which was probably the REAL kind)  that got them to that point.....

IIt's not different from lots and lots of other schools of thought, reglisiou and non, I guess.

Where the intellect is iinvovled in some ways but where the group and its leaders so strongly embrace some underlying belief they also embrace the idea that that underlying belief will ultimately to be what's  vindicated by analysis. And if your intellect leads you to question that then you're not thinking critically or thinking well.....

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Absolom

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40 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

.If they learn to do much more than that with their brains, they may start thinking thoughts that haven't been directly handed to them by TPTB. Preventing that is the main reason they're starting their "school," I expect. 

John MacDonald is a different breed than Gothard.  He's into a more "intellectualized" version of Christianity and has a college along with the seminary associated with the church.  He needs the more educated students to keep filling the college and seminary seats.  

The homeschool/classroom combo has a lot of genesis in the COVID stay at home plan.  A lot of Los Angeles county parents were looking for school placements when their kids were suddenly at home all day.  Many of those did not move the kids back to public school and there has been a residual effect of more parents looking into private school.  It probably came up in management discussions of whether they should jump on the bandwagon or not.  

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Nysha

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21 hours ago, TigerLily20 said:

$5,000 per kid for the parents to do more of the work at home than the teachers...I am one who is still pro-homework but come on...

Head Start is free, but when my daughter was in it she went to class from 9-12 three days a week & I was given curriculum/homework for her to do the other two days. 

Also, this type of hybrid schooling will allow Jinger to catch up to her husband's friends' wives...eventually.

16 hours ago, awaken said:

Yes, guaranteed it would be tuition free in exchange for SM advertising. 

If they convince 2-3 like-minded xtians to put their kid in Johnny Mac's school, then they've paid for Felicity's tuition for the year. I think it's entirely possible for that to happen. 

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jcbrown

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6 hours ago, Notabug said:

Anymore, the SAT and ACT are going the way of the dinosaur and many colleges are phasing them out or making them optional.  Currently, Liberty requires scores from either test or the CLT which seems to be a liberal arts 'alternative' type exam.

When Johnny Mac claims to teach critical thinking, he means he teaches his students to be critical of anyone who thinks.

I read CLT and thought, geez, this crowd likely can't find the clit with both hands and a flashlight. I'll see myself to the prayer closet...

I agree that JM wants his followers to be critical of anyone who thinks.

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satrunrose

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Jer will want the best of whatever he can grift to impress people. I'm also assuming that's some sort of school. Their hiding the kids thing has mostly killed any possible "Look what a great (homeschooling Christian) mom Jinger is!" angle. I also suspect homeschooling (carefully documented for social media, of course) would put too much attention on Jinge. I can't help noticing that most of what they put out about her boils down to "Jinger is pretty and fashionable". There are a few nods to accomplishments (working out and cooking), but a. they're rare and b. never show evidence that she's actually good at it. 

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Zella

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3 hours ago, satrunrose said:

Jer will want the best of whatever he can grift to impress people. I'm also assuming that's some sort of school. Their hiding the kids thing has mostly killed any possible "Look what a great (homeschooling Christian) mom Jinger is!" angle. I also suspect homeschooling (carefully documented for social media, of course) would put too much attention on Jinge. I can't help noticing that most of what they put out about her boils down to "Jinger is pretty and fashionable". There are a few nods to accomplishments (working out and cooking), but a. they're rare and b. never show evidence that she's actually good at it. 

Yeah this is my take on it. And I'd say between being homeschooled by Jinger or going to Mac Daddy's private school, the latter would probably provide a better education. Not that I think it would provide a good one, but I really don't think Jinger is equipped to homeschool. To be fair to her, I would say the same about all her siblings. I think the Vuolo girls would benefit much more from a public school or a non-Mac-Daddy affiliated private school, but I think Jeremy's nose is too firmly implanted in MacArthur's ass to opt out, and he doesn't have the backbone to do that. 

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Salacious Kitty

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6 minutes ago, Zella said:

Yeah this is my take on it. And I'd say between being homeschooled by Jinger or going to Mac Daddy's private school, the latter would probably provide a better education. Not that I think it would provide a good one, but I really don't think Jinger is equipped to homeschool. To be fair to her, I would say the same about all her siblings. I think the Vuolo girls would benefit much more from a public school or a non-Mac-Daddy affiliated private school, but I think Jeremy's nose is too firmly implanted in MacArthur's ass to opt out, and he doesn't have the backbone to do that. 

Johnny Mac's school is supposed to be an augmentation to homeschooling, not take the place of it. They have the kids for 14 hours a week, and it's suggested that the parents homeschool another 16.

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