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2 hours ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

I only want the show to go on indefinitely (even though I don't watch it) because I don't want to see this board go by the wayside! Could there be enough snark fodder just on their Facebook/Twitter and such to keep everyone from losing interest and moving on? I'd miss you guys!

I have thought the exact same thing. I would miss this board “family.”

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cmr2014
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I was thinking about this and the idea that the girls weren't "harmed" and weren't "damaged goods" which led me to realize that ALL of the Duggar children are "damaged goods" and I think that's becomi

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They put themselves on tv and have proclaimed over and over and over and over again that their way of life is the way to ensure that your children are totally safe from every evil of the world, and in

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I don't know where to post this but I fucking met Michelle Duggar. Let me set the scene. So my cousin is getting married and we were at a shop looking at dresses here in Kentucky when the Duggars marc

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I would watch a show which follows a married Jana, no matter who she married just to see what her life is like. I also would couple her with Jinger and Jeremy because they aren't the same old 'rise and repeat' as Jessa and Ben, Joy and Austin are. Those two couples offer no varying from their own parents' lives....Jana and Jinger would be a bit more interesting to follow.

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bythelake

bythelake

7 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

True. Tragic too because the best thing that could happen to the lazy sons-in-law is for the TeeVee and LawSuit Money Trees to both irretrievably wither up and die so they'd realize that they need to act like normal people, go after real jobs, and start supporting their families and acting like real adults. 

The money trees are going to keel over one day (one of them may be alive only in their imaginations even now) and they'll have no choice but to do this. And the longer they wait, the harder it's going to be -- both in external practical terms and in internal shift-of-mindset terms. 

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flyingdi

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6 hours ago, floridamom said:

I would watch a show which follows a married Jana, no matter who she married just to see what her life is like. I also would couple her with Jinger and Jeremy because they aren't the same old 'rise and repeat' as Jessa and Ben, Joy and Austin are. Those two couples offer no varying from their own parents' lives....Jana and Jinger would be a bit more interesting to follow.

I don't know that I'd follow a show centered on Jana.  My opinion of her is the same as my opinion of Joseph.  Very, very pleasant but not very exciting.  Plus I do not think, based on what I've seen, that Jana would enjoy being the center of a show.

When it comes to a show centered on 2  daughters, I can see where people would say Jessa and Jinger.  Jessa and Jinger are the only 2 Duggar sisters that seem to have a genuine affection for each other.  I don't know that I've seen the same with Jana and Jinger.

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floridamom

floridamom

When the Duggar TV shows are finally cancelled ( and it has to happen eventually) we have nothing to worry about here....they will NEVER truly go away. They will continue their "Original Family Fan Blog" and personal Instagram/websites for a long time to come. There will much to comment on, I'm sure from those things. Some of the members of this family are addicted to the attention and will crave it and therefore seek it out.

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floridamom

floridamom

It has been said that Mary Duggar gave Jim Bob most of that $250,000 to run for office. The rest of it he scrimped off of his family and saved it. Back then, MIchelle's clothes dryer had broken. She asked him for another one that worked and he told her 'No', that he needed that money for 'seed money'. She had to wait for a replacement dryer when JB said it was ok to get one. WIth more than a couple of children to wash and dry clothes for, that couldn't have been easy for her. He didn't always 'worship her' from what I'm seeing in the past. I felt A LITTLE SORRY for Michelle when I read about that.

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floridamom

floridamom

Early on, before any Gothard stuff entered their lives, Jim Bob worked in a grocery store stocking shelves. He also worked for his parents' real estate business. Of course, Michelle got her own real estate license and moonlighted there too. There was an alterior motive to this I THINK. It would be a good thing that Michelle have her own real estate license, this way, when JB wanted to purchase properties, Michelle could 'act' as HIS real estate agent and collect the split commission with the actual listing agent....pretty smart, and shifty, isn't it of him?

I doubt that Michelle had any type of actual or real career going. She was a 17 year old 'married girl'. Not much maturity going for her, obviously. The kids started arriving 4 + years after they were married and they CHOSE to start a family. Something they deny their own children today. Where would they have been today without those years together as a couple first?

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xwordfanatik

xwordfanatik

2 hours ago, floridamom said:

Early on, before any Gothard stuff entered their lives, Jim Bob worked in a grocery store stocking shelves. He also worked for his parents' real estate business. Of course, Michelle got her own real estate license and moonlighted there too. There was an alterior motive to this I THINK. It would be a good thing that Michelle have her own real estate license, this way, when JB wanted to purchase properties, Michelle could 'act' as HIS real estate agent and collect the split commission with the actual listing agent....pretty smart, and shifty, isn't it of him?

I doubt that Michelle had any type of actual or real career going. She was a 17 year old 'married girl'. Not much maturity going for her, obviously. The kids started arriving 4 + years after they were married and they CHOSE to start a family. Something they deny their own children today. Where would they have been today without those years together as a couple first?

And how many frigging kids would they have ended up with, had she gotten PG right away and kept it up?  24-25?  Gawd.  Perish the thought.

They (Ma & Pa) have denied a LOT to their kids that they had.  Don't most parents want their kids to be BETTER OFF than they themselves were?

"A little bit different."  Shit.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, xwordfanatik said:

 

 Don't most parents want their kids to be BETTER OFF than they themselves were?

 

Yes, but that emphatically does not include certain warped narcissistic mean ego-obsessed people. This is another one of those things that I can testify to personally.

In my house, tales of great fun things a parent got to do as a child, teen, young adult were told with great relish (and while stating that the things were great -- not even that they'd now become enlightened and realized that God forbids them or anything) for the sole purpose of enjoying the distress, disappointment, frustration, fury, etc., of the kids who were then forbidden and barred by all possible means from doing said things.

We were sometimes even taken out to observe other children doing fun things, made to sit and watch it, and then, again, prevented by all possible means from doing those things ourselves. 

Now, I doubt that the Duggars exactly go that far in that particular way, and of course they do have the Gothard God forbids! thing going on to help them squelch stuff. But I think it's 100 percent clear that they enjoy their own memories of roller skating parties and making out while also enjoying squelching 19 kids' opportunities to do any such thing.

And I think it's also 100 percent clear that they have been absolutely determined to keep those kids from accomplishing anything more than Jim Bob has accomplished -- because his ego demands that.

I think this keep-em-from-accomplishing thing is a little more common than the no-fun people, actually. This wasn't true in my family, though, mainly, I think, because souls/egos/self-esteem in my family were so thoroughly crushed and twisted that it was clear we'd never think we ever had accomplished anything superior, even when we had. So that was a win. Because that way you raise people who can support themselves -- and even you -- but you never have to acknowledge that they've done anything worthwhile in that, because they're so squashed they won't think that they have. JB and M may end up sorry that they didn't do this part the way my family did, because they're going to miss out on the benefits of having children who are both hypnotized robots (which includes even the relatively rebellious, in fact)  and able to give you money and nice things. 

Thank goodness that JB and M are not representative of the vast majority of people. But they are members of a type. And that type does all this stuff that seems unthinkable to others. If I'd had a movie camera as a child, I'd be in possession of a documentary that might open some eyes about the Duggars and other control-freak parents. (and why it drives me insane that they're on TeeVee and their sick psychologies and behavior whitewashed as wholesome entertainment)

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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21 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

That seems like it was written based on reading Twitter, US magazine, and these boards. Jana, Jill and Jessa are worth a million each? Says who? They’re going to win money from their lawsuit? From Bob and Bill, the records clerks who are the only remaining defendants? This story doesn’t even know that the case against In Touch has been dismissed. ???

I just looked up "Blasting News." Appears they may pay $3 an article, and then if you get a certain amount of traffic you get a little more based on that. For $3, I expect the "reporter" didn't even look back at the Twitter and Us pieces she/he had read previously. Let alone look up anything new. lol

Thus the interesting mythology that the older Duggarling women are worth a million bucks apiece. ... Wonder how far down the line that individual net worth figure is supposed to go? Because -- wow. 

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kalamac

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I guess I'm in the wrong (right) circles. I live in Australia, and this is the first I'm hearing of a Gothard conference. For years there used to be a family who would play violin in one of our main shopping strips, long skirts, long sleeved blouses even in hot weather. Mother used to glare at everyone who walked by. I always thought they were Amish, but now I'm wondering if they wore Gothard types.

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floridamom

floridamom

Working employees of the state should not be personally held accountable for simply doing their jobs. I hope these employees don't lose their livelihood OR their pensions. This family is cruel to seek anything from rank and file people doing their jobs. Shame on the Duggars for doing this, if that's what they're doing.

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Albanyguy

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5 hours ago, ariel said:
6 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

According to the Duggar family blog, JB, Michelle and 14 of their children are going to Australia in January to speak at a Gothard conference. 

I wonder who is picking up the tab for travel/lodging/food?  I have a feeling Jim Boob isn't.

"JB, Michelle and 14 of their children" makes it sound as if just the younger children and the unmarried adult children still living at home are going. TLC wouldn't be picking up the tab unless the married couples from "Counting On"  are going because there would be nothing to film. And the Gothard organization wouldn't be picking up the tab unless the Duggars were a hugely popular draw in Australia, which doesn't sound likely. It sounds like a weird decision.

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floridamom

floridamom

I actually counted the unmarried still at home and J'Tyler. They add up to 14.

Someone re-posted that pathetic interview with Jana a few years ago asking her where she saw her life in 5 years. I watched it again. Her deep breath during that interview was telling. She was quite stressed and didn't want to answer ANY of those questions. That grown woman sounded like her mind was an absolute BLANK...no thoughts of her own pertaining to her own self. To me, it sounded like she was still being viewed as almost a 'non person' under her father's authority ....completely...She said she wasn't a little kid, nor was she a married person "WITH LITTLE ONES'. She obviously associates marriage with babies immediately to give her an identity and any kind of respect for being her own person. It was very sad to watch.

Her parents should be totally ashamed of themselves for robbing Jana of her childhood, adolescence, education, and ANY ADULT opportunities that should have been available to her in life. She is the eldest of the daughters and I'm sure has had a harder time of it as her parents were full "Gothard" when she was born and I'm sure practiced all those atrocities fully and completely. Jana was NOT born to serve Michelle, contrary to what Michelle 'believes'.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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8 hours ago, ariel said:

I wonder who is picking up the tab for travel/lodging/food?  I have a feeling Jim Boob isn't.

Maybe Gothardland figure their negative publicity wanes at the U.S. border and they'll be more of a draw elsewhere. I doubt that's the case, but I would bet the Gothard empire is feeling a little desperate to find more suckers. The U.S. supply may be finally drying up.  

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kassygreene

kassygreene

A jet with the range to get to Australia is millions of dollars, and a whole other set of licenses.  While JD would probably like to fly a jet (I would!), that's a lot of training too.  The Duggar Fleet (that I have seen) contains single-engine turbo-props.  They could upgrade to twin-engine (or I dunno, a surplus B-52? kidding, I jest (but I would fly that too).  Nope, you need expensive aircraft, a double flight crew as crossing the Pacific to Oz is at least fifteen hours, which is at least two crew shifts)  What is it, 15? round trip tickes to Oz commercially would be much cheaper.  

Wow.  They are being thrifty.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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12 hours ago, Marigold said:

What a bizarre trip.

Very expensive and does anyone give a shit about them in Australia? 

I think that may be what the Gothard "brain trust" is counting on.

I'm sure they're all dying to goose their former golden-goose enterprise back to life -- both for financial reasons and because at least a handful of them may actually still be true believers in Gothard's shit.

But they probably also figure they need new blood abroad to do it. Gothardism is an old thing in the US and really got most of its momentum from Gothard's linking up to the growing fundie movement and the anti-60s backlash that occurred in the 70s and the 80s. So maybe they figure cleaning up the Duggars and trotting out this "wholesome" family -- replete with a bunch of cute young grade-schoolers --before an audience for which the Duggars aren't so much old news is their shot.

They can bring back the frumpers for the lost girls and put the bow ties and plaid shirts on the howlers and point to JB and M's great godliness -- "And, get this, Aussies! They're not just super-virtuous and godly but they're also big TeeVee Stars back in the States! Wowie, zowie! That's what embracing Gothardism can get you! Sign up now!".................

And to make that work, they'd have to be addressing people who don't know anything about the Duggars. They'd have to count on a lack of knowledge, I think. ....

I expect the whole thing will be a big failure because while the Duggs may be able to gin up a diehard internet fanbase of a million or so leghumpers in a country with pop. 330 million that third-of-one-percent tally isn't going to amount to much in a pop. around 25 million or so, even if they could achieve it, which I doubt. And even in the U.S. the vast majority of that fanbase aren't putting any money into Gothardland, which is what they really want. And the news of Joshley and the coverup is available worldwide, to at least some degree. 

Nevertheless, I would bet fairly heavily on something like this being the plan. Because there's no way in hell that JB is paying for all those expensive tickets just for family travel. The Duggars don't give a shit about travel. They're uninterested in everything. Whereas Gothardland has to be in some kind of desperation mode now, as they watch their cash cow getting very thin. It wouldn't surprise me that they might make some big stupid investments of their remaining money to try to reinflate it. 

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bythelake

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25 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I think that may be what the Gothard "brain trust" is counting on.

I'm sure they're all dying to goose their former golden-goose enterprise back to life -- both for financial reasons and because at least a handful of them may actually still be true believers in Gothard's shit.

But they probably also figure they need new blood abroad to do it. Gothardism is an old thing in the US and really got most of its momentum from Gothard's linking up to the growing fundie movement and the anti-60s backlash that occurred in the 70s and the 80s. So maybe they figure cleaning up the Duggars and trotting out this "wholesome" family -- replete with a bunch of cute young grade-schoolers --before an audience for which the Duggars aren't so much old news is their shot.

They can bring back the frumpers for the lost girls and put the bow ties and plaid shirts on the howlers and point to JB and M's great godliness -- "And, get this, Aussies! They're not just super-virtuous and godly but they're also big TeeVee Stars back in the States! Wowie, zowie! That's what embracing Gothardism can get you! Sign up now!".................

And to make that work, they'd have to be addressing people who don't know anything about the Duggars. They'd have to count on a lack of knowledge, I think. ....

I expect the whole thing will be a big failure because while the Duggs may be able to gin up a diehard internet fanbase of a million or so leghumpers in a country with pop. 330 million that third-of-one-percent tally isn't going to amount to much in a pop. around 25 million or so, even if they could achieve it, which I doubt. And even in the U.S. the vast majority of that fanbase aren't putting any money into Gothardland, which is what they really want. And the news of Joshley and the coverup is available worldwide, to at least some degree. 

Nevertheless, I would bet fairly heavily on something like this being the plan. Because there's no way in hell that JB is paying for all those expensive tickets just for family travel. The Duggars don't give a shit about travel. They're uninterested in everything. Whereas Gothardland has to be in some kind of desperation mode now, as they watch their cash cow getting very thin. It wouldn't surprise me that they might make some big stupid investments of their remaining money to try to reinflate it. 

@Kokapetl posted up thread that Gothard headquarters in Australia was just sold, so the interest there must already have been waning. Are the Duggars going in order to rev up the interest? I think it's going to be a colossal flop. There are Australian posters on this site, and I'm sure the people there are well aware of the scandals and  what phonies these "Godly"people are.

And you are so right @Churchhoney. This family has traveled to places some people can only dream about, but show no interest whatsoever in their surroundings.  Their ignorance is astounding. They could have used their travel opportunities to teach the children about different lands,people and customs, and use these lessons in their home-schooling. But we saw none of that. We saw them handing out tracts and JB telling the world about his 19 children. 

I hope this is the beginning of the end for the Gothard movement, but even if it is, I don't see the Duggars breaking away. They are too deep in the Kool-Aid. Maybe there will be hope for the little ones. One can only dream.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

13 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

It's a lot of people and a lot of money -- I would thing $20,000+ for 16 people -- you know JB isn't paying that. Gothard must be paying.

Absolutely. And it's probably more than that.

Just the LA-Australia leg of the flights will be closing in on 2000 per person. Plus, they have to get from Arkansas to California, which is going to be another 300 or so probably. Whoever is paying will be lucky if the airfare alone doesn't top $35,000, I would think.

I suppose they'll be putting them up in whatever new smaller replacement facility IBLP Australia now has, and they can feed them slop because that's all they eat, so that part of the thing won't be so expensive. But the airfare is a substantial cost. .....

And Gothard has already thrown the Bateses at Australia a couple of years ago and then treated them to the Wallers last year? I see the Duggars as IBLP really bringing out the big guns. But there seems to be little indication that it'll really help. Gothardland looks desperate to me. Desperate and now throwing away all their cash in their desperation. 

Yay! 

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